mircea_popescu: maybe it's from all the diabethics.
mircea_popescu: "the XXXXX Street area is a shitty, needle-littered dump" << srsly ?
nubbins`: so i got that reply late last night. today, the city comes, picks up the trash out front, gets a ladder, and REATTACHES THE DECK TO THE HOUSE
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know, the mayor response would be a better paste. we don't care what YOU said :D
nubbins`: i can picture the old fart hove off on his couch w/ his ipad, smoking a cigar, "y'know what? enough IS enough"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is this slumlord the new official slur for this circumstance ?
nubbins`: a couple councillors email back "we will notify the appropriate people" etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, wouldn't a continuous furnace be the best approach ?
menahem: lemme verify my id again. brb, heading to an office space. gracias for the welcome.
mircea_popescu: so time to get in then.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's wrong with just burying them in a pile ?
menahem: i've met a few bitcoin-assets ppl around the globe already, not knowing until later that they were all in the wot.
menahem: n00b following the rules set forth by good 'ol pete dushenski
asciilifeform: both of the above historic examples also featured gas seal (piston pushed out bullet) and therefore silent.
mircea_popescu: us creativity is an exercise in rebranding these days. http://trilema.com/2014/anonymous-derpage/ etc
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fixed.
mircea_popescu: if anyoen wants to give a final look to the month's statements, please do. i'll be signing them and deeding them later today.
punkman: oh they have a fallback tracking pixel too
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how they do traffic measuring these days. i have no doubt whatsoever that it can be gamed.
punkman: you have to run the quantcast javascript to count
kakobrekla: eh? slashdot your target audience? top comment there: I bought one of these. It took a VERY long time to arrive, and only worked for a few weeks. I contacted them for warranty repair and they simply never responded after that. I am out around $3000.
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kakobrekla: >That's what sucked me in, I saw a lot of posts about 1-2 month ROI's so I bought my Zens retail from GAW @ 17.95 next day worked out my ROI 217 days, the very next day 1 year ROI (approx), next day retail Zens @ 14.95 and ROI infinity +1. Early adopters were given high, magic, above market payouts to lure suckers like me in, and it worked.
punkman: "Stop holding my coins hostage, pay out my divs so I may reinvest them. I am loosing potential profit because of your practice. " << lol
kakobrekla: (the gaw miner)
kakobrekla: Blazedout419 (he is here in the chan) > I am sure will and deadterra have done quite well on this scam...
kakobrekla: punkman> kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it < and they say pessimism isnt worth it.
bounce: that's more or less what the PHP "designers" think they're doing. so... if you want that, you know where to get it.
jurov: bounce: gotta pick the best from every language !!!11
bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science!
assbot: The Effect of Programming Language On Software Quality - Slashdot
bounce: http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/11/05/0530228/the-effect-of-programming-language-on-software-quality
punkman: but yeah if there's linux on js, you can probably do .net
bounce subtly points out that you can run other things besides java on jvm too. like ruby, and python, and there's a lisp....
davout: jurov: gotta get these pretty swing windows in dotnet
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assbot: Logged on 20-06-2014 21:56:59; punkman: so I just put together something to test betting strategies on past bitbets and guess what, betting 0.1 on No on all resolved bets would result in a net gain of 9.7 BTC
punkman: kakobrekla: it seems i found 'the no guy' > http://bitbet.us/stats/14wqgUXyHpuzyuwfYssfeLuL1YtZpeVkcR/ << seems to start around the time I first mentioned it
jurov: no anesthetic needed fortunately
punkman: "You should save the "Gavin is trying to impress evil institutional investors" mud-slinging for when I get around to laying out the argument for increasing the block size, because that would be closer to the truth."
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
punkman: "we show how our Accountable Storage protocol can be integrated with Bitcoin, to support automatic compensations proportional to the number of corrupted bits at the server. We also build and evaluate our protocols showing that they perform well in practice."
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mircea_popescu: anyway, all the excitement i can take. later all!
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many russian policemen used it to touch themselves.
asciilifeform: small translation: 'rubber cock. lever of perestroika. anal irritator. in the 2000s - stabilizator. also 'attitude adjuster'.'
asciilifeform: decimation: the very same.
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BingoBoingo: Kind of looking forward to more action on that front as the Saudis try to bankrupt US Bezzel "oil" men
BingoBoingo: So if anyone cares, gas prices in Middle APerica less stable than BTC at the moment.
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BingoBoingo: Why not wet sopping rag knuckle dusters, they'll have more mass
mircea_popescu: are these for afficionados, light enough to attach scope to ?
decimation: but solves none of the above problems
decimation: I found a titanium ring is good for me most of the time, completely anti-reactive to skin and also cheap
asciilifeform: ripped, roasted, zapped, amalgamated, dissolved, turned on lathe, milled off
asciilifeform: pet doesn't either
asciilifeform: but - finnicky bugger, hisses, puffs, goes out in the rain
asciilifeform: pull the pin, it simmers along at 200C for half hour.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field. << SO story with those.
asciilifeform: perhaps using the same magic found in self-heating tinned food
asciilifeform: incidentally, i've always wanted a pack of slow-burning steel-tipped 'matches' you could solder with in the field.
asciilifeform: eh how'll it stay on ifya don't weld it back in the right place, lol
asciilifeform: i've no idea why anyone else bought them.
BingoBoingo: Ah, so the only reason people bought those
asciilifeform: ^ one of these buggers.
asciilifeform: well, just the cap.
asciilifeform: tried to plasma-weld it back using the flash.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a student, bought disposable camera (those existed) with flash, late in the night
asciilifeform: yknow, the one that strikes the 5kv or so arc so the ~300v cap can discharge through ionized xenon
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> surely, just once, as a boy? << I did the disposable camera to taser conversion wrapping to get taser voltages.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy << If you can point me to someone selling 90+ working samples... may be interested
decimation: later that year the TRS-80 was a massive sales leader for tandy
asciilifeform: c64 - by the tonne.
decimation: but apparently the fucktarded 'bitcoin ceo' who took over after Mr. Tramiel was speaking with the CEO of tandy who told him that here was "no money in portable computers"
asciilifeform: that was the first and last time i ever saw one.
asciilifeform: still don't know how it came to be there.
decimation: in the podcast he said they should have produced the commodore LCD - which would have competed with the TRS-80
assbot: Hacking the Commodore C128 with Bil Herd
decimation: here's some text from Mr. Herd (he was the hardware engineer for the c128) http://hackaday.com/2013/12/09/guest-post-the-real-story-of-hacking-together-the-commodore-c128/
decimation: according to Mr. Herd it was recently surpassed by the 'ipad' if you consider that to be a computer
asciilifeform: a few years later, the company tried selling what was, at the time, an 'actually nice' computer - 'amiga.'
asciilifeform: and this was on account of genuine popularity. no one buried these by the thousand in a desert.
asciilifeform: last i knew, commodore-64 still held the record for the greatest number of a particular design of computer ever built.
mircea_popescu: for the web
mircea_popescu: arth will be programming these idiotic boxes pretty soon if managers don't wise up to the fact that the equivalent of automatic switches already exist and have done so for at least 20 years. yet if Y2K doesn't light up most manager's view of the world of programming, there isn't hope for mankind at all."
decimation: I didn't realize - apparently Commodore made their own silicon chips, and even made their own LCD screens
mircea_popescu: " I remember someone saying that if it hadn't been for automatic switches in the telephone network, the entire population of planet earth would have had to be telephone operators to handle the load of telephone usage in 1993 or thereabout. I get the eerie feeling that because modern computer systems are so incredibly braindamaged in their design and in the tools used to program them, the entire population of planet e
decimation: heh yeah, in the podcast Bil blames the death of commodore on Mr. Tramiel's exit from the company
asciilifeform: auschwitz to cabbie to repair money to tech ceo with a brain, one of the last.
assbot: An Interview With Bil Herd - Zany Z80 Zygology | The Amp Hour Electronics Podcast
decimation: incidentally, there's a 2 hour podcast interview with Bil Herd of Commodore here (featuring that annoying australian): http://www.theamphour.com/222-an-interview-with-bil-herd-zany-z80-zygology/
decimation: deny them to everybody?
asciilifeform: (or what, light cigs with them?)
asciilifeform: run them.
asciilifeform: it's no secret what they do.
decimation: wonder what the nsa would do with ancient lisp machines
mircea_popescu: see, here's the thing : we had these idiots in romania, too. the sort that could be millionaires as long as the public treasury poured a billion or two in theior pants
asciilifeform: this was not the lethal pill, but didn't help.
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decimation: mircea_popescu: he has a business model similar to bitcoin miners: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/05/virgin-galactic-seatholders-ask-for-refund-on-tickets
asciilifeform: decimation: mallery ported it to reasonably-standard common lisps. so it did not die with symbolics corp. however, he stuck a rather asinine license on it.
decimation: asciilifeform: it's certain that there was some government meeting where the cl-http server was regarded as 'obsolete' because it wasn't compatible with frontpage or whatever
mircea_popescu: It says that it's from Sky Dayton (founder of Earthlink) although it is actually from Earthlink's direct marketing department. I can just see the thought going through the copy writer's head. "People won't open it unless it's from someone they know, and everyone knows Sky Dayton!"
asciilifeform: since we're on the subject of www,
decimation: as I recall the netscape was pretty much just a ripoff of mosaic
asciilifeform: 'yahoo' << 'houyhnhnm' just doesn't have the same ring.
mircea_popescu: decimation just think, what they were. remember... lycos ?
asciilifeform: 'Bitcoin interests me as an obvious example of a technological jewel tossed around aimlessly by the brutal hands of cave men. I cant help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out.' -- your truly
mircea_popescu: in fact, the history of the internet and the browser narrowly mimicks the history of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder the internet even stil exists.
asciilifeform: pioneered the modern shitpile, yes
decimation: I remember the original netscape - it was a pile of shit
decimation: writing nearly perfect code is possible, but anyone who tries loses in the market by those who 'get there first' writing crap
mircea_popescu: "and the loss to the software company that has to give up two months of sales is even worse." << dat logic. so if i have sex for the first time today, rather than next week, i gain a full week of first time sexings.
mircea_popescu: they could ship it right now!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen : if coders didn't have to worry about whether THEIR PROGRAM EVEN HALTS
mircea_popescu: In fact there are lots of great reasons for bloatware. For one, if programmers don't have to worry about how large their code is, they can ship it sooner. And that means you get more features, and features make your life better (when you use them) and don't usually hurt (when you don't).
mircea_popescu: decimation that would have been the fucking moment of truth for the cataphract : when someone turned on a giant magnet
assbot: Strategy Letter IV: Bloatware and the 80/20 Myth - Joel on Software
mircea_popescu: http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000020.html quoted just to make stan bleed from the eyes.
asciilifeform: time to think^H blink << 'The lights must never go out, The music must always play..., Lest we should see where we are, Lost in a haunted wood, Children afraid of the night, Who have never been happy or good.'
mircea_popescu: "Recently, I devoted several sleepless nights to this problem. Why is it that our computers are getting faster and faster yet we are using them more and more to render things generated on some distant server? And its still slow!" <<< average bovine is comforted by the second delay.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: glass scalpel << of late i have made much use of carbide cutting tools on lathe, which come with similar warnings.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that particular piece was written while waiting for a locked-up msword turd on a usg slavemachine, also running mandatory usg antivirus, which wedged the disk
mircea_popescu: part of the reason perhaps being that if i had, i'd start bludgeoning the machine into the ground.
mircea_popescu: "it is not rare to see a palpable (and all the more so for its unpredictability) delay between pressing a key and the drawing of a symbol on the screen." << i have never seen this.
decimation: I believe that aluminum is part of the british crown jewels too
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo actually, they didn't come up with duralumin
asciilifeform: for folks outside of usa, good story re: Al: in washington d.c., there is an enormous obelisk, 'washington monument.' it is tipped with a small pyramid of precious aluminum.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the ancients would've laughed at Al. BUt in the 18th and 19th centuries only nobels had aluminium helmets
asciilifeform: pretty damn useless metal, unless you can churn it out by the megatonne
asciilifeform: the ancients would've laughed at Al.
mircea_popescu: which is why vulcan lives underground not in the sky
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the mediteranean people volcanoes prolly more than meteorites.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not much of these in actual archaeological practice, iirc
BingoBoingo: but the later easier to refine and heavier.
mircea_popescu: and they got it from... guess ?
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asciilifeform: cannon aficionados should also think about chinese & korean leather cannon.
mircea_popescu: come to think about it : the original siege cannon was carried by two dozen oxen, fired twice a day, had to be cooled with hlf a ton of oil and exploded every two weeks killing everyone around
asciilifeform: 'hedgehog marches in fog, with rifle on his shoulder.' 'not funny, but at least it's about the war!'
mircea_popescu: the most recent pulse went in all directions, just about to india.
mircea_popescu: decimation the golden crescent is this pulsing heart of human civilisaiton.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course, but also the product normally refered to now as "Damascus" steel
mircea_popescu: so much so they got dragged all over to europe by various turkic people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairnes, the gypsies did show real talent in working with zamak,
mircea_popescu: anyway, tardpedia's fascination with the east and white-hating notwithstanding, steel is a western invention.
mircea_popescu: swords are like computers - they only work for some grades of si
mircea_popescu: dunno what sort of steel they were shipping in 3ad.
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decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascus_steel << " From the 3rd century to the 17th century, India was shipping steel ingots to the Middle East.[14]"
mircea_popescu: at the joseph smith stage yet.
mircea_popescu: "the iron! my god, the iron!" spoken in italia by the degenerate successors of the latins.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the franks.
decimation: re: design space << so part of the problem with "C" is that it tends to occupy this mental design space rapidly
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe the Assyrians? Some sort of Turk turnt out the Jew bronze with their Iron.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns << the hittites never had iron. you're thinking the franks.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed << rly ?!
asciilifeform: ars longa, when you catch, kill, and dress the unicorn, can go after loch ness monster and many other prey.
asciilifeform: the kid who gets his first fuck - also disappointed
BingoBoingo: ANd thus began the legend of niggers.txt
asciilifeform: why go through the grind of developing world from scratch, they thought, when you can l33ch l33t w4r3z like a pr0 in 21 days
asciilifeform: to bother with own computers.
asciilifeform: people age, and empires - and the 'computer we know' isn't really a separate animal from the u.s. empire.
BingoBoingo: Shhhhh, you are about to spoil the part where the hittites surprise pete_d with iron weapns
asciilifeform: then folks began to 'depend on things'
asciilifeform: the early crays
asciilifeform: the lisp machines (xerox and mit branches of the evolutionary trees, different in many interesting ways)
asciilifeform: there was a plethora of interestingly-different machine architectures.
asciilifeform: for instance, in the '70s, when there was an understanding that a computer is purchased and comes with own os, and your own men will write literally everything else (often including os) that will ever run on it, until it goes to the scrapyard -
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> catch is, you have to... burn the world. << How many people here are seriously opposed to this condition
asciilifeform: catch is, you have to... burn the world.
asciilifeform: in some of my articles, i mention a concept called 'design space.' it, approximately, means, the set of engineering decisions that are thinkable at a given time.
BingoBoingo: turd should be legible to the .js deniers http://www.bnd.com/2014/11/04/3492961/enyart-bost-bradshaw-vie-for-congressional.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1
asciilifeform: decimation: there could be room found for an entire period reproduction of intel 486, for when the mood to play 'doom' strikes you.
decimation: in your room-sized FPGA, there is probably a spot for a few 'risc' finite automata
asciilifeform: an imaginary animal that lives in the skulls of folks who talk about 'close to the hardware? that means c of course'
asciilifeform: (intel tried shipping a gizmo without it, now it is known affectionately as 'the itanic')
mircea_popescu: decimation: as I recall it cost around $2k in the late 80's << ahh, the days when a shitty mouse was 100 bux.
asciilifeform: the page table.
asciilifeform: extant cpu archs are quite unlike pdp-10. internally, of course. 90+% of the Si real estate is then used up in papering over this to build a convincing simulacrum of 'c' machine.
mircea_popescu: at some point you gotta put an engine in there somewhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just like cars are a steel banded joining of the walking of people ?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah the "crawlers" are human beings
asciilifeform: 'technology' - just a word to them.
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure that's why the plane flies.
mircea_popescu: monkeys in the jungle, "shiny wings technology".
mircea_popescu: all these fucktards with the "blockchain technology" have no fucking idea even what the technology actually is
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
decimation: I want someone to draw a cartoon: young man approaches greybeard lounging under a tree: greybeard - why do you laze instead of being productive? - He says: you try to make something useful - off the young one goes through trial and tribulation - eventually, ending up under a tree.
asciilifeform: that's the trick.
mircea_popescu: i enjoy writing the little code i do write.
asciilifeform: i didn't grok what he said, at the time, naturally
mircea_popescu: maybe we should all jack off with the same stroke ?!
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would "we". jesus burn every text with we in it already.
decimation: "But suppose everyone wrote their own subroutines? Isn't that a step backward; away from the millenium when our programs are machine independent, when we all write in the same language, maybe even on the same computer? Let me take a stand: I can't solve the problems of the world. With luck, I can write a good program. "
asciilifeform: and it takes a supercomputer, of a kind not even yet built, to write a word processor where there are no palpable delays when entering a character. if you believe microshit.
decimation: yeah, I guess in this case the 'cargo-cult' is building a wooden global namespace
mircea_popescu: just....fucking....detele the file.
mircea_popescu: motherfucking apt-get.
asciilifeform: and we don't hear from them
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> under rusty old msdos one can, generally, actually program in c << because, again, if i want to kil a ms-dos dependency I DELETE THE FILE
asciilifeform: most of what programmers do, is really grunt labour to work around the mistakes of earlier programmers.
asciilifeform: decimation: this sounds like top-grade batshit to 'civilians', who don't normally understand how simple (from algorithmic standpoint) everything they usually want out of the machine, really is
decimation: ah, the good ol' stack of floppies
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: guess how much i and everybody i knew paid.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i think when I was 9 it was like 4 weeks allowance to get Borland or whatever C compiler they were selling at the time.
decimation: asciilifeform: here's the link for what you are getting at: http://www.colorforth.com/POL.htm " Now we get down the the nitty-gritty. This is our first clash with the establishment. The conventionsl approach, enforced to a greater or lesser extent, is that you shall use a standard subroutine. I say that you should write your own subroutines. "
decimation: heh yeah there are so many distro's and tard-libraries in linux
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Google's Android has a linux kernel and BSD libc
decimation: one wonders what the point of using open source OS's would be if you can't read C
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is pretty much the stance. you have to seek it out, if you want to learn it. I guess what they are producing are not programmers at that point?
decimation: yeah "C" was going out of style when I graduated in the early 2000's, CS was converting to full-java
assbot: Logged on 15-04-2014 18:34:43; asciilifeform: 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean