mircea_popescu: lol so pankkake got butthurt because we don't like systemd, decided bitcoin "wouldn't have worked anyway" ? that's some pretty good fatlogic right there.
RagnarDanneskjol: whats the job?
punkman: what, I'm still authed
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aspho: thx, great work with the new real foundation btw
cazalla: and the OCD means i cannot try again until Dec 1st
cazalla: i didn't even last a day, or another day after that
cazalla: ninjashogun> Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. <<< don't forget me!
thestringpuller: I'm not competent enough in the law to write it up
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wasn't flat. (until the very last incarnations.) cylindric. << Flat square one was nice.
thestringpuller: we always think we have more time, but then it runs out
ninjashogun: anyway other than if you guys talk shit about me I don't hang out here anymore. (as you might have noticed.)
ninjashogun: Okay, BingoBoingo, I accept that I am to treat you as drunk 100% of the time. In fact I will extend the same courtesy to anyone else here who acts like they need it.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform has left the building?
asciilifeform: wasn't flat. (until the very last incarnations.) cylindric.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> that big ass square that's flat? << Great monitor
asciilifeform not really much of a gamer today. games mostly ended for him with the sunset of ms-dos.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and playing on tv set (esp. ntsc crt) sucks. << NTSC was the worst
thestringpuller: don't sit too close to the television
thestringpuller: only in the mind
asciilifeform: (anybody have the flip side of that thing?)
asciilifeform: isn't it a beauty? how did they even get the bloody thing going without decoupling caps?
asciilifeform: because you never know when the trash turns into treasure.
asciilifeform: i might like to release a proggy for them one day.
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you think that work is failing (though you aborted the draft early, but it literally included a dependency graphy exactly as you requested) then you're entitled to it. At least I did it as you requested.
asciilifeform: notice what isn't in the picture.
ninjashogun: I am not coming by here anymore and otherwise have nothing to say. I hvae no comment on your community.
ninjashogun: ifeform and bingoboingo rated me as "us government" after I contributed 3 days of work via email, which they were free to ignore.)
ninjashogun: Hi. I was informed some people from here were talkiing shit about me? I don't have any interaction with this channel (and haven't for months) - if you have any specific complaints (or areas for room for improvement in the future) you can tell me. My reading is that this is a very low-signal troll community. (For example, cazalla's rating of my on WoT is after he gave me an Australian police department's number, not his own. Asciil
asciilifeform: story doesn't have a happiend either. i still buy'em.
thestringpuller: yet my SNES has stayed on 6 days, gotten much abuse, yet still runs like the day I opened it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the ubiquitous and pestilential bga (ball grid array) deballings. << red ring usually this
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thestringpuller: that is what I suspect. that these newer consoles have higher tendency to overheat and kill themselves
asciilifeform: and the ubiquitous and pestilential bga (ball grid array) deballings.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm entirely innocent of the xbox, so you may have to say what the cause of death was.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> incidentally, the colonies (as mircea_popescu helpfully points out) never really grew into their father's shoes. << They played, the Great White fleet was a thing for a few months in Siam
asciilifeform: incidentally, the colonies (as mircea_popescu helpfully points out) never really grew into their father's shoes.
asciilifeform: from the pov of a wilhelmine german, culture is where he is, and the english are a buncha pedos.
gernika: So post WWI reparations imposed on germany was the teasing?
asciilifeform: all you gotta do - stand an laugh. then dine on fresh meat.
asciilifeform: tease the dog until it bites.
asciilifeform: never shoot the dog.
asciilifeform: (asciilifeform) what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime... (gernika) what the russians did to germany after the war << gotta understand the anglo m.o.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ferglubbssake write the waterfall likbez.
gernika: If that is correct, how does the cycle repeat? Or does it?
gernika: So Buterin's Waterfall works like this: Buterin announces scam coin sale. Chumps give him btc, bringing down the price of BTC which he then sells for fiat. Weak hands then sell btc for fiat on the market out of fear. Correct?
BingoBoingo: People with Bitcoin pay Overstock.com for schlock and Overstock sells the BTC automagically, feeding Buterin's waterfall
BingoBoingo: supay: Well it works the same.
supay: there was another mention of a reason for the price drop - a lot of companies now accepting bitcoins. but how does that work?
BingoBoingo: In Bitcoin you have to realize the thing shortly went from soft adversaries (Trendon Shavers) to hard adversaries (Obola and Ebama) very quickly
supay: the logs you linked me to have a mention of how the FBI seize of the SikRoad BTC might be a cause.. i've heard a lot of people saying the same, would that be nearly true?
supay: haha, im only here to get your opinions and possible explanations for the same.. i dont have the know how to write a paper etc
BingoBoingo: <supay> what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year? << This year questionable, Next year possible, but work on your knife fighting skills
supay: what do you guys think about the speculations? that 1btc will value anywhere between $10k to $40k or even more by the end of this year?
supay: i was wondering if the bitcoin price will really rise again..
decimation: but also after the first world war, when the same population was starved and forced into debt slavery
decimation: after the war was over, but yeah firebombing counts too. Of course the source for that is "slaughterhouse five"
decimation: gernika: I guess I was more referring to the intentional policies of starvation and mass population displacement
BingoBoingo: Anglos Firebommed and scared defectors with the "Russian threat", Russians at the time offered "Stalin"
gernika: I would not be surprised at the gap in my knowledge given my public education.
gernika: interesting - the movie I saw was more about what the russians did to germany after the war. Wrt anglos are we talking firebombing?
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:55:38; asciilifeform: what the anglos did to germany, will be remembered as -the- 20th c. crime.
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 04:50:50; asciilifeform: there were fully-functional german hamlets in, even, kazakhstan
assbot: Flight and expulsion of Germans (1944–50) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: the pediwikia article isn't too bad, lots of links http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_%281944%E2%80%9350%29
gernika: decimation any good sources to read about it? Seen some german movies about the immediate post ware period.
decimation: most folks today never learn about the complete Apocalypse that faced german people after wwii
cazalla: i dunno full story tbh, opa was in the wehrmacht and we have photos of him as an officer but my father reckons he wasn't an officer despite the photos and shit
cazalla: well, his family being his parents at the time and not me obviously
decimation: I've heard that there is quite a large number of germans in australia
cazalla: decimation, nah germans, red cross helped my fathers family get out here
BingoBoingo: <decimation> what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude) << Because the previous generation used their surplus income to establish petit dynasties
decimation: cazalla: were they POMs?
decimation: what I find interesting is - why do these poor indian kids with a 'work ethic' really want to come to the us? as I posted here a few days ago, odds are that they will end up in some kind of debt slavery (aside from their indentured servitude)
cazalla: australians really hate boat people which is amusing given so many of us actually came by boat, my parents included, 50-60 years back, it's like they don't want to be reminded
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country << Twas inevitable. Blame the WASPs
decimation: I guess I just wish for a hopeless outcome, which is that the us will not become (or already mostly is) a third world country
cazalla: and i was not much a fan of them until i lived with one indian guy and he made the best hainanese chicken so all is forgiven
BingoBoingo: Networking, priveledge, reciptority, these are old mechanics. There were Roman Charioteers who earned more from sport than A-Rod could imagine
cazalla: the indians come to australia on a 457 visa to work at places like mcdonalds
BingoBoingo: The difference between Internal medicine and dermatology is about 300k/year
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law << Of course, even with the obamacare bezzel established families in medicine have a strong advantage
decimation: I'm sure the doctors, lawyers, etc would be more than happy to ensure that poor indian kids learn computers and not us law
decimation: well, there's little doubt in my mind that the reason h1b visas are 'tech' targeted is because engineers have the least political pull in the us
BingoBoingo: ^ Depends on specialty. My brother who cam from the same poor ass lineage i did is now in Dentistry with his SJW wife and adorable dog
gernika: BingoBoingo You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline << even doctors and lawyers are slaves in the US now, due to student loan debt.
BingoBoingo: <assbot> From Germany to Mexico: How Americas source of immigrants has changed over a century | Pew Research Center << I'm not refering to the most desperate, I'm talking about empire building follow from history http://www.circlek.com/history-and-timeline?language=en to the current reality
decimation: where were they in 1910? http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/05/27/a-shift-from-germany-to-mexico-for-americas-immigrants/
BingoBoingo: decimation: Only on paper, the real power is there are always poor kids in India with dreams and a work ethic
gernika: The goal doesn't have to be meaningful. It just has to be achieved.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the real thing that enables this are "family relocation" visas
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gernika: Yes. Everything and anything for the goal.
BingoBoingo: And I'm not talking about the Urban tradition of Arab shops, I'm talking about motherfucking Circle K, king of the Midwestern convenience market
BingoBoingo: <decimation> BingoBoingo: the question is - do their children have the same work ethic/. << For a generation at least, but there's always more people with a work ethic who can sustain the system.
BingoBoingo: <gernika> Silicon valley companies are full of h1b slaves << You have to realize the h1b thing is USia's last defense against the doctor, retailer, doctor pipeline
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the locals are haetful. because he outworks them. << Generally the way this work in US is eventually Indian family produces doctor in US, they use their surplus to bringing in hardworking family members willing to put all effort into running fuelstation/convenience stores, shopkeep cousins succeed, finance next generation of doctors, pale natives bitch that people were willing to work at shopkeeping
gernika: I like the h1b worker as slave idea. Everything makes so much more sense now.
asciilifeform: they like to set up little stands with 'atrocity porn'
asciilifeform: we have a pestilence of these in wash., d.c.
mircea_popescu: imagine this. romanian rural population, making ~2-3k a year, thinks themselves better.
asciilifeform: or the gurlz in that restaurant in timis, yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a slave is a slave. the responsibility for his actions is his master's.
asciilifeform: slavishly carrying out the rituals of 'scientocracy' - yes.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials << Difference is Usians with phony credentials tend to get along better at work parties
decimation: they refuse to say it, but tacitly allow it
mircea_popescu: just, at a skill the puritanical state refuses to name. "slavery" say.
mircea_popescu: decimation not so. the chinese guy in his example was well skilled
asciilifeform: now, the 'protectionist case' is not made here, because 'where there is a great birdlessness, my arse is a nightingale'
mircea_popescu: the demand exist.
decimation: the numbers I have seen are that ~%80 of the 'skilled workers' brought in on h1b visas have completely phony credentials
asciilifeform: lab - 90% these folks, by weight.
mircea_popescu: i think you miss my meaning. " if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality"
asciilifeform: 'how did you get the sheepskin?' - 'washed glassware for advisor, same as the others.'
asciilifeform has the misfortune of working with quite a few 'h1b' folks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, it boggles that this orlov fellow has somehow managed to get all the us diseases. srsly, an amateur is going to joseph smith his way into a better way to read ? and pushes this on random kids ?
mircea_popescu: well, obviously depends what your goals are, but if some sort of either efficiency or adherence to reality is among them then an open system will alway sbeat any closed one.
decimation: I predict that the number of H1b visas will at least triple
decimation: I predict that now the republicans have won they will quickly give away the farm on immigration, taxes, more welfare, etc
BingoBoingo: To trim the budget he cut the wrong bezzels. Also broke the rule in Illinois that Governor must be Unrepentant criminal, he was repentant
mircea_popescu: it simply means the "voters" scum expect on average more out of the forcing of the public treasury than on the maximum the public treasury may contain
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the final phase of dissolution is when the best predictor for electoral failure is being the incumbent.
BingoBoingo: US election baramoeter highlights: http://thesouthern.com/ap/politics/quinn-concedes-illinois-governorship-to-rauner/article_e4fc81ba-82e3-5ddb-a6e4-d6a25018e068.html Also this guy won a distric that was blue for 70+ years www.suntimes.com/news/marin/12915506-452/viral-rant-makes-instant-folk-hero.html
asciilifeform: http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/2709/varjag-2007.4/0_1ef2c_d1f5d8f3_L.jpg << again the 'janitorial' motif.
asciilifeform: 'it takes a brave fellow not to be a hero in the soviet army.'
decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't realize that the soviet army was a 'volunteer' organization
BingoBoingo: Looks the part
asciilifeform: http://www.krasnoyeznamya.ru/gallery/rm_21_489.jpg << more relevant to the janitorial essence of the task.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm not averse to it at all but i can't even tell what's bdb and what's other things.
asciilifeform: and i certainly hope i'm not the only one with hands.
mircea_popescu: and i claim the crown of mexico.
mircea_popescu: but cunt-less-ness is lost, and then people wonder why women feel unequal.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the universe << nah, just rip out bdb
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: bounties << my unwedging << first i'd have to invent the universe
mircea_popescu: i read enough to know the person is not only never going to produce a good solution, but is actually ignorant enough to not even realise what the difference may be, and on top of that impudent enough to imagine this not to be so.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform speaks as a formerly very regular 'in anger' user of ipa << IPA is the java of the linguistics world.
mircea_popescu: which is the more likely to result in run miles ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes let's consider the general point. a) elvis at the hight of his popularity offers a beer to anyone that runs a mile in five minutes ; b) totally unknown autistic otaku offers a million internet funbutts to anyone that runs a mile.
asciilifeform: that is, wtf to do with a keyboard where most of the keys - you will never push.
mircea_popescu: how does one use a wiki ? specifically, i wish to add an answer to "what is the desired behavior here?"
mircea_popescu: decimation the thing with ipa is that it roughly works like a modular pluggable thing.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: a foundational question: do bounties work? << they work best when large audience, small rewards.
BingoBoingo has seen on several occasion musical scores in not Amerglish which had the target language only in IPA
BingoBoingo: If they are from Usia
BingoBoingo: <decimation> supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language << Actually this is indeed a thing.
mircea_popescu: decimation the ones that don't speak italian anyway.
decimation: supposedly most opera singers 'sight-read' IPA so they don't have to learn the target language
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits <<< if you're going to fill with gas, fill with technological gas.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: here is before : http://i.imgur.com/mYr74jf.jpg <<< absolute "cheapest of the cheap" scream to it huh
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ? << If by like perl you mean the runtime doesn't suck, then maybe?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with << margins.
mircea_popescu: what difference does it make anyway. if ruby were more like perl would you use it then ?
BingoBoingo: Ah, Yeah, it's a pain. Latin alphabet works one way, Anglophones have retarded vowel shift, the irrelevance of Chinese supposes azns should look to Castellano as a lingua franca for dealing with white people.
BingoBoingo: Oh, the IPA thing?
mircea_popescu: the most notable example is that polari gypsy lingo thing, which is notable for how shitty it is.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, there are numerous attempts by various poetterings to create a "better language" because maybe that way their mother will not have been a crackwhore anymore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, to sum it : there already exists a phonetic notation, and has, for a century. it has the advantage that it works in all languages, and it is also fine enough for absolutely any conceivable use, with its extensions.
kakobrekla: btw you can do subcategories there as well
asciilifeform: (whither helium? unfortunately, mostly mixed in with combustible 'natural gas.' and mostly in usa.)
asciilifeform: not with He (decay daughter) either.
asciilifeform: afaik these never usefully fill.
BingoBoingo: Old uranium mines filled with radon would be great, except for the radiation flipping bits
asciilifeform: on-demand flooding is also a varied beast. canonical example: 'hermitage' art museaum in leningrad. fitted with co2 tanks in the '50s. bell rings, you have two minutes to get out. after that, doors seal and 100% co2 atmosphere.
asciilifeform: as one commenter pointed out, building was not sealable and therefore unsuitable for halon
ben_vulpes: i suppose mining really is so low margin these days that even the antifire stuff ruins profitability.
asciilifeform wonders why the setup wasn't under permanent inert gas to begin with
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BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform also remembers that he forgot to eat. << And you're the one worried about everyone else's starvation!
asciilifeform: but, at least if speaking of mathematics-proper rather than 'perl', they come with usefully non-contextual definitions.
mircea_popescu: note that he's not proposing to get rid of the training weights to replace them with actual anythings.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform have you seen mathematical notation recently ?
asciilifeform: there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics
mircea_popescu: holy fuckingshit, fifty years of making it progressively easier for kids were enough to squander 500 years worth of accumulated advantages, to the point even the fucking indians can now compete with american kids.
mircea_popescu: And the kids are supposed to be able to make sense of this? At what point are children allowed to learn a set of symbols that unambiguously represent the speech sounds of English? << <this idea that if kids had it easier the world would be better is not unlike the idea that if the government spent more money the economy would work well.
asciilifeform: in mr o's docs, he specifically highlights 'unspell' being designed for folks who aren't u.s. subjects, but rather random people from the outer landscapes of the empire who 'know english' as written hieroglyph, but can't actually speak to one another except in a highly-castrated pidgin when they chance to meet
mircea_popescu: The g in beige is the same consonant sound as the s in Asia and z in azure. << god help us.
asciilifeform: aha, it's the ultimate poorly-specced mandarin.
mircea_popescu: anyway, no argument that english is, under the pressure of its colonialism, dieing a chinese death. so the argument is widely moot.,
mircea_popescu: consider that the u in food is properly uː whereas the u in good is properly ʊ. these are in fact quite distinct, for most people , with some training.
mircea_popescu: whereas two has a faint j in there.
mircea_popescu: there is a very slight difference between the length of the vowel in to and too, which length allows the latter to round closer to a plain u
asciilifeform: one you factor out the regionalisms, you get approximately orlov's phonemes, though.
mircea_popescu: when confronted with language using 5th 6th and 7th, he believes them to be "the same". this is not actually the case.
mircea_popescu: if a language happens to use the 3rd and 9th a, then the speaker expects that 6 unit barrier.
asciilifeform did the obligatory tour of duty as linguistics 'minor' at uni
mircea_popescu: the way this works is actually very similar to genetics. there's someting like 100ish vowels available to the human voice. these are all spaced equally apart, say 1 unit each.
asciilifeform: ask a teacher of english in ru, and you'll get 'english is what they speak in england! here's how...'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's possible you don't hear them. some people don't distinguish some colors, red/green, yellow/blue, whatever. it does not follow paintings are bad or w/e.
asciilifeform: these sound quite alike in usa.
mircea_popescu: that he's an ignorant ass i know. but why is he such a twerp to not even bother do his motherfucking reading, quote the actual canonical examples on this topic ?
mircea_popescu: Take the word that sounds like tu. It is spelled in three different ways: to, too, and two. << if only these actually sounded even vaguely alike.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit don't tell me he's of the "spoken as written" school of pararetardism
asciilifeform: orlov appears to subscribe to the hypothesis that english is a semi-deliberate qwerty for 'branded on the toungue' purposes.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile your average usian has no problem speako spanisho, and wonders why the spanish speakero no understando.
mircea_popescu: Most people stumble through life afraid to speak any of the words that they only know from their reading, fearful that they will make fools of themselves by mispronouncing them in public. <<< this was a fact in jerome k jerome's england, back when people knew your class based on your rp.
mircea_popescu: worker awakens, finds a man instead of the ass. man explains that lo! he was cursed by his jealous lover woman, and his time as an ass just came to an end!
mircea_popescu: one of them comes up with a bright idea : takes bit off ass, puts over own head, while his fellow takes the ass and its load away.
mircea_popescu: worker falls asleep on the roadside, with loaded ass next to him. coupla bums decide to steal the goods
asciilifeform: which, then
asciilifeform: and 'has problems' in the ant colony
asciilifeform: there was a soviet-era kids' book about a lil'bugger who gets turned into an ant as punishment for his idiocy
cazalla: so i butchered 6 rabbits this morning and a crow swooped and took a bunny head, imagine the poor kid that finds that in his backyard lol
asciilifeform: hard to smell the pheromone trails when not an ant, yes.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "other people" exist is perhaps the most striking shared delusion humanity ever came up with. seriously, they do ? how ?
ben_vulpes: i've been working out of a client's office on the 27th floor of this skyscraper downtown all week, and every time i walk outside i'm struck with gut-level desires to insulate myself from the people derping around outside the building.
mircea_popescu is at that precise moment enlightened : rather than interact with random people, he'd count sand.
asciilifeform: wallowing with the eagles, eh.
mircea_popescu makes account, and for a minute contemplates stream of meaningless faces, and their literal outbursts. la nausee strikes.
asciilifeform: these folks >> straight to butugychag.
mircea_popescu: "Which town did you grow up in? What's been the best commercial you've seen? Whats the best gift you have ever given someone, in your opinion? What position do you sleep in? Are you a very ambitious person? What is the worst gift you have ever received?" << of all the inept shit...
asciilifeform peeked, not impressed. must not understand how the world works (tm).
mircea_popescu: so apparently ask.fm is where all the cool kids are nao.
ben_vulpes: where is the eyerolling emoji again?
mircea_popescu: the original is afaik greek
asciilifeform: ^ rhymed in the original.
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