nubbins`: was it you who wrote that short story about the pgp murder-suicide?
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thestringpuller: she is the evil twin
nubbins`: neither that good nor that old
asciilifeform: jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404
nubbins`: can't trust them jaws tho
thestringpuller: they seem to be late to parties a lot too
thestringpuller: they were late to facebook and are now late to bitcoin (even thought they bought a ton early on)
saifedean: What do you good folk make of the Winkelvoss twins' foray into bitcoin?
saifedean: thanks for the voice bingoboingo
BingoBoingo: The scoopbot always on patch seems to need work
thestringpuller: scoopbot don't got the scoop?
BingoBoingo: Prices swing usually bring TaT out. I think this is the dark market bust bump
BingoBoingo: Cisplatin and Methotrexate make the list because maybe they clear a cancer, maybe they don't. Those are the two biggish oncology discoveries though...
mircea_popescu: but perhaps that may be divorced from the ensemble, it's just dumb marketing.
BingoBoingo: The thing about the listed drugs is non of them except maybe thorazine is intended to be taken until "natural death"
BingoBoingo: tadalafil one of the copycats. I'm talking Sildenafil, the original, which important because the the previous option is caverject.
BingoBoingo: I mean there's the rare, almost unambiguously good drug introductions. Penicillin, Cisplatin, methotraxate, Viagra, thorazine, monoclonal antibodies
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this
mircea_popescu: people that derp about "bitcoin changing the world" have very little idea of the changes incumbent. it's things like these. mp will never permit the pharma "economic growth engine", as a for instance.
mircea_popescu: i mean, it's just a replay of the "we have all this fluoridated sludge from aluminum processing and other industrial processes, getting rid of it is expensive, how about getting the city to pay us to add it to the water ?"
mircea_popescu: the idiotic us/eu pharma conglomerates have managed to outweigh all the benefit of opening trade sectrets (discussed coupla weeks ago here)
mircea_popescu: much like the mismanaged airlines of the early xxist century managed to lose AL THE MONEY ever made through flying since the invention of flight,
BingoBoingo: Well, that's why a family of drugs gets popular all at once and then it falls out of fashion when the long term side effects get noticed only to be replace with something that trades out the last generation's deteriment for another.
mircea_popescu: i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence.
mircea_popescu: more generally : the pharma industry, which works essentially on the "let's make random molecules and then see what happens" coupled with the fda pseudoverification theatre has managed to produce a lengthy list of very slow acting poisons.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/
mircea_popescu: "On behalf of Universal Studios, The project was to examine and estimate the impact of piracy on box-office revenues for Universals 2003 release of the motion picture The Hulk. Modeled the dynamics of box office revenue and its relation to the number of sites and downloads of a pirated copy."
mircea_popescu: http://arthurdevany.com/case-experience.html "Estimated the delay to the production of Once Upon A Wedding caused by food poisoning of the cast and crew."
mircea_popescu: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/uploads/3/1/1/9/3119807/header_images/1392752910.jpg << what the shit is going on in the 4th image ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell vexual http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/ there, just for you.
mircea_popescu: (to be fair, in english the butt is a half tun anyway)
mircea_popescu: most of the people i saw involved are either kids or else native spanish speakers. neither of these makes for very good basis in thought.
mircea_popescu: well, i think they just try to work on very short reserves
ben_vulpes: more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh
mircea_popescu: it cut the printing short for like a week, and then launched some gossip that "it paid the debt"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oh it was a riot, the government raped the (apparently very flimsy) black market ops.
mircea_popescu: so at what point in the paleo diet do you start keeping two chicks around the house ?
mircea_popescu: saifedean so you get to work harder for the same cunt ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format? <<< for shame, you lot.
mircea_popescu: i bought i dunno, 100 or so pairs of underwear about a decade ago. got the same things i always got ever since i was a kid. eventually they run out and holy shit has the underwear business gone nuts in the meanwhile. what the fuck are all these things even!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no they don't.
mircea_popescu: saifedean what's being dismissed anyway ? far as i can see, the part where "eat less sugar and starch, it'll be good for you" is univerally accepted. the rest, nobody has any use for.
saifedean: mp, yes, sure, hence, asking questions about things makes sense. dismissing them with half-baked arguments is time-wasting.
mircea_popescu: saifedean most of the negative reaction comes from the very marketing heavy approach. "you should challenge yourself" ? dude, this is the lordship here. you think anyone gives a shit about such puny attempts ?
nubbins`: saifedean i literally do not have enough spare eyes to roll the appropriate amount in your direction
saifedean: nubbins no, i'm not. you're the one who is setting up charicatures of arguments for you to tear them down. i don't give two shits what you eat, you don't have to convince me. You should be trying to challenge yourself to understand what I'm saying it, or ignoring it. That you dismiss it like that is silly
nubbins`: you know there was a time when cheese would make any human who consumed it ill?
mircea_popescu: otherwise you ACTUALLY get a cult. "thios is the law and only i may know what it says"
nubbins`: "our" bodies adjust to shit all the time
mircea_popescu: saifedean but you understand why when one proposes action on the basis of a theory, critical examination involves reviewing what would happen if that theory were applied by someone else than the proponent.
nubbins`: saifedean see the thing is, you're treating "our bodies" as a homogenous group, when nothing could be further form the truth
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah, more like, mary jane and anne were good sluts this year, had 7 kids, 5 years later the hyenas are fucked 3 to 1.
nubbins`: "cmon broud, my kid has diarrhea from eating beef, let us take the cave tonight"
saifedean: nubbins, you have no idea how many times i have heard these non-sequiturs of arguments. briefly, no, you do NOT need to emulate a caveman's life to down to its little details. The idea is to eliminate from your diet as much as possibel all the things that are relatively recent additions to our diet, to which our bodies have not adjusted very well, and which are proven to cause most of our modern illnesses. it fucking works
mircea_popescu: they also lived in the same caves, alternating each other, depending on which group had stronger pups that decade.
mircea_popescu: anyway, re pork eats shit etc : the evidence is quite clear that humans and hyenas were mostly commensal.
saifedean: hmmm.. de vany is a friend of taleb, we should invite the two of them here and have them chill with your assassin cult
ben_vulpes: reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi
mircea_popescu: them wheats talking outta ya.
nubbins`: but since we all know exercise and diet are linked, things sorta got jumbled together
nubbins`: by lifting shit she gained the magical wisdom
saifedean: 77 years old and could kick the collective ass of everyone on this forum
saifedean: The Art de Vany I mentioned is not the one that Urban dictionary turned up, it is this man: http://www.artdevanyonline.com/
mircea_popescu: i didn't realise you were implying that by counting calories she has gained the magical wisdowm of lifting shit
mircea_popescu: i thought you were all in awe of the woman's sheer muscular power
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wouldn't do that because i dun have the techniques and am tall. prolly spring my back / give myself a hernia.
mircea_popescu: human is the best of all!
saifedean: though a swedish friend tells me reindeer meat is the best of all
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is saifedean like the first noob ever that gets away with the sort of nutty forced ideas veterans usually display here ?
nubbins`: beef is the bottom of my list
saifedean: I was saying... pork is the shittiest of meats, as pigs eat shit. Beans are crap. fish is the food of kings... as for land food, lamb is the best, followed by beef, goat, chicken, everything else, then pork.
nubbins`: well i guess you can loan out a few to the rest of us
nubbins`: you're pulling the ceiling down, vs lifting something heavy up
mircea_popescu: but the point still remains, you are lifting your own weight
nubbins`: there's like 6 different types of chinups, all work different muscle sets
mircea_popescu: as far as that goes, there's way worse ones than "stop eating all that refined sugar and chill it with the starch too"
asciilifeform wonders how often taleb-like figures wander into 'paleo' cult strange, after they really felt stronger - but not from eating raw antelope, but from the real win of being set free from workschwitz - that being, sleeping ad libitum.
mircea_popescu: technically, yes, immitating the trapings of paleopeople to get chimp muscular arrangements ? that's an evolutionary choice already made for us, 500k years ago or so.
mircea_popescu: and way the fuck beyond what i imagined posible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's the most humorous use of "cargo cult" i ever saw,
mircea_popescu: you want to just eat the leg ?
saifedean: also, beans, lentils, and grains are frowned upon in the Paleo Cult. Our lord and saviour Art De Vany would smite you.
mike_c: placebocin is the best drugz
asciilifeform: mike_c: the part when you're high out of your mind on placebocin
saifedean: "what the fuck do you do about sushi ?" You Sashimi. Really, sushi is just poor people sashimi, to get bloated with cheap grain. Sashimi is the real deal.
mike_c: which part of the paleo religion demands proselytization?
asciilifeform can't wait to see folks follow the 'logical' paleo conclusion, and climb back into the trees
saifedean: But you will become healthier, stronger, smarter and happier eating like one, rather than grinding your brain to find excuses for why you shouldn't!
mircea_popescu: now listen here. the fact that the turks have worn salvari for x centuries does not mean a suburban kid showing up for some school function in silken longpants isn't following a fad.
saifedean: "so the paleo fad diet experts among us" Fad? Humans have been eating paleo from before they were humans. Grains, seeds, and sugars are the passing fad, it's only been 10,000 years or so, and it won't be much longer...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: my favourite 'sheep experiment' is at a place not far from where i live, where one can rent 'sea bicycles' - little boats that one can pedal around. usually folks cluster together, for no good reason. pedal to an empty part of the water, and dozens follow...
nubbins`: works about 20% of the time
nubbins`: <+chetty> people really are sheeps <<< occasionally when i'm in an elevator alone and it stops to let more people on, i face the back of the car to see if others will follow suit
mircea_popescu: the finder of the deliberate thing however merely discovers it. someone else invented it.
mircea_popescu: this distinction is exactly the distinction between a bug with security implications and a deliberate security hole : they are both security holes. the finder of the bug both discovers and invents that security hole.
mircea_popescu: r goat, you may now believe you discovered 'em, but they are being produced somewhere else and were invented by someone else.
mircea_popescu: jurov: not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it. << yeah openssl. not a question of under bsd or not, idea was more like : the proof that USG.HB was a thing, that was then implemented as openssl.HB is the fact that looky, a Win.HB apparently exists(ed). like, if you find a goat on a field you may think you've both discovered and invented the goat. but if you then later find anothe
mircea_popescu: the idea was that the young and stupid are readily satisfied by the current model, on account of their vast ignorance. but nobody else is.
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't that jacking off is less of an intellectual activity than learning chemistry or reading nabokov, so we pile on it.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: mircea_popescu: nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session << well yeah, i kinda fucked up there didn't i.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: interest, value... << the problem with using op's blockchain is that you're basically trusting the op
chetty: hahahaha I just saw what has to be the funniest traffic snarl ever. The train barrier on one side is stuck and cars/busses/trucks backed up as far as the eye can see. But its a one way street and the other side is wide open, nothing stoppping people just drive to the left ...
BingoBoingo: Oh, systemd documented ruining people's days in the wild http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/592
BingoBoingo: Zimmerman was also a Hispanic Jew so also kind of on the minority spectrum, also not a police officer.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, think it'll be bad? they only smashed a few things after zimmerman was found not guilty
assbot: Nixon tries to reassure public, as people prepare for the worst : News
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jurov: dunno what is with all the drinking in this chan
jurov: the source continues "Samsung is one of a few chipmakers capable of producing 10-nonometer(sic!)-class chips."
cazalla: jurov, do you think the qntra article is bad?
jurov: The Bitcoin Foundation is in discussions with Korean firms and financial authorities about setting up a Bitcoin foundation in Korea.
cazalla: i'm sure it will make sense then
cazalla: maybe i need another beer for clarity
cazalla: "Much of the money will go directly to foundries with the highest technology in the world, including Samsung, Intel and TSMC"
jurov: and then "oh he's just yapping alone"
jurov: then wtf, no, ne is representing $1B investors?
cazalla: well why not? he speaks in the name of bitcoin
jurov: first i was wtf, vessesnes is speaking in the nme of samsung?
cazalla: scoopbot once again will not get the scoop
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html should spring into life when they are received
jurov: ben_vulpes asciilifeform, others: when are you going to send your patches in expected format?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20141112 05:22] either they stole openssh code (unlikely) << not openssh but openssL. as it is under BSD, they're free to do whatever wit it.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: yes, it serves someone wanting to jack off just fine, because nobody needs three hours of video to rub one out <<< tell that to the people that take 3 hours to find the ideal clip for that session
ben_vulpes: is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around?
asciilifeform: so they can develop new orifices.
asciilifeform: answer is, in many cases, they don't (often people reverse engineer them from recent patches)
asciilifeform: incidentally, some folks may wonder why microshit even bothers to announce pwnholes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they almost always print 'no mitigating factors' (as in, must install update or die)
mircea_popescu: the exact definition of "notabug"
mircea_popescu: "Microsoft's advisory said there are no mitigating factors and no workarounds for the bug."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you may find that my patches rely on one another
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: congratulate the author
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to my eyes it reads like, "this is what they wanted", "openssh is the best implementation of it they managed to get before the whole thing got shot in the head"
asciilifeform: microshit is the ultimate execution of 'plausibly deniable' usg mandate.
mircea_popescu: either they stole openssh code (unlikely) or the thing was actually usg-mandated (which in some interpretations is one step above what we already knew, ie sponsored)
mircea_popescu: "A failure to properly filter specially formed packets makes it possible for attackers to execute attack code of their choosing by sending malicious traffic to a Windows-based server." << sounds like windows had a replica of heartbleed.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the plan is promising because it engenders familiarity with the damned thing.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)? << this is undoubtedly the case for at least some wedgings
BingoBoingo: Refresh, someone found the old door, time for a new door
decimation: nevertheless, there is at least some chance that your experiment will reveal something interesting
decimation: not because the issue has been solved but merely because of a new arrangement in memory
decimation: sure, but it is at least possible that is stomping on the code in such a way that it doesn't work in one version, but then works in another
ben_vulpes: would the libraries not be held constant between bisections?
decimation: I guess my point is that if something external to the turd participates in the 'wedging' then the bisect plan won't really work
asciilifeform: here's another tidbit from 'valgrind' runs - leak is very slow prior to wedge, then appears to speed up
asciilifeform: no data on whether common bug behind both, however.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> not directly a cause of the wedge though
asciilifeform: not directly a cause of the wedge though
asciilifeform: the catastrophic memory leak is also a fact.
decimation: ben_vulpes: what if the 'wedging' were caused by some dependency (memory leak, etc)?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: were i to use a chain slightly downstream of the wedging to start the process, would that be less unlikely to work?
ben_vulpes: well then shit i should copy this datadir while its yet unwedged
asciilifeform: rather than how it is decoded
ben_vulpes: if i'm not being clear, i plan to clobber the data dir on each run.
ben_vulpes: one for copying into the dir, one for launching from.
ben_vulpes: if yes, mark as good with git bisect and proceed with binary search, repeating the above process until the unwedging commit is discovered.
ben_vulpes: this script will take the wedged blockchain on disk; copy it into the testing dir; compile bitcoind from a different point in the source tree; and boot it pointed at the wedged blockchain; and check to see if the output of 'bitcoind getblockcount' has gone up
ben_vulpes: my plan at the moment is to wait for my 0.5.3 binary to wedge itself, and then write a script that hooks into the git 'bisect' tool.
ben_vulpes: on an entirely different topic, i'd like to derp in public about bisection in hunt of the commits that unwedged 0.5.3
assbot: PeterL, have you seen the movie 'being john malkovich'?
PeterL: assbot: you know they put lactose in lactase pills <<< wth assbot?
assbot: you know they put lactose in lactase pills
nubbins`: the lactase pills even stopped working
nubbins`: lactose-free dairy stuff is more common these days
nubbins`: currently using a couple of cookie sheets, but they slide around
nubbins`: anyone know if you can carry money in a regular wheelbarrow or do they make ones w/ nets to keep the cash from blowing away?
PeterL: by the way, I added code to scoopbot, now if he disconnects he should reconnect, hopefully this will keep him running
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik, the fermentation makes it accessible to wussies
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so basically, "mit sucks" ?
mircea_popescu: joecool i was just keeping his hands to the coals on the technicality of it. "retaining milk digestion past childood is a recent adaptation" etc.
mircea_popescu: mares literally love being suckled, and will love you if you suckle them
mircea_popescu: i am pretty convinced the way milk became a part of the diet is because of animal husbandry.
decimation: http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/10/27/centum-and-satem-2/ << "It all started pretty far to the East. There, some crazy locals first tamed the horse. I’m thinking that they were something like the Botai culture, riding and hunting horses, but not farmers. They may well have milked those horses – by the way, horse milk is much richer in lactose than human or cow milk."
ben_vulpes: stop drinking milk long enough and it will hurt the next time
PeterL: yeah, but the body stops making it
PeterL: some populations get it more than others
mircea_popescu: hair pulling and surprise insertions all the way ?
PeterL: then she decided she couldn't stand to see another sweet potato and we started adding lots of stuff back in
mircea_popescu: did you do the actual no beans no milk no nothing version ?
mircea_popescu: come to think about it... i would think deviled eggs is the pinnacle of paleo culinary achievement huh
mircea_popescu: yeah well, i'm not giving up on my culture for the sake of you know... preserving some bizarre prehistorical concerns
PeterL: I tried it, like the way I felt physically, but was too bored with eating the same things over and over
PeterL: yes, there are many dishes which just don't happen on paleo
mircea_popescu: exactly the sam, but using a whole pork tenderloin.
mircea_popescu: there's no point in having meh sushi.
fluffypony: stuff from a takeaway joint on the corner is reserved for sushimergencies
mircea_popescu: PeterL well it'd be sashimi then
ben_vulpes: shit hangs together like camo netting
mircea_popescu: don't tell me the thing's intended for kansasites who are barbaric enough to never heard of and so never miss sushi
mircea_popescu: im waiting for the one that scrolls crazy shitstick on all sides
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mircea_popescu: i mean, they all depend on being the only one as a business model, by now the only firm guarantee that can be made is that nobody will EVER make a dime in that market
mircea_popescu: is anyone even keepiung count of all these braindamaged "services" the bezzle keeps pumping out ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic no argument there, but i just don't happen to give a shit about chess, what can i tell you
decimation: ascii with the unicode
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because... i don't know it ? so ended up making some shit up on the spot ?
Apocalyptic: why not using the standard algebraic notation ?
mircea_popescu: wasn';t x the king /
mircea_popescu: then perhaps i could.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, if the WEB DIDNT SUCK
RetroUpriser: im looking at a board and putting the moves in
asciilifeform: decimation: and, potentially, received by another operator equipped with nothing more than consumer radio set.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Game seems to be a thing, just the non-standard letters are messing with my ingrained encoding
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is for the manufacterer and the purchasing agency negotiating on the specs. Maybe Police wants to spring for better than liberator, but forward cam... too much
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: probably the cost of making of forward cam vs. retard resistant gas can escape two places design
thestringpuller: Just play with the text board with pasties
mircea_popescu: so now, is X the queen or the king in that arrangement ? or is white caps or no caps ?
BingoBoingo: That, but then again non-nagant revolver so there was an exit point for the pressure between the chamber and barrel
xanthyos: you don't need to physically see the same board
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the drivers consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search << Pretty much an open secret by now
decimation: the dog smells money on you
decimation: yeah my understanding is that the results of the 'search dogs' are always an objective basis upon which one can search
asciilifeform: 'Minutes later, Trooper Vanderwiel arrived with the dog, which alerted on the back area of the car. That gave Simmons and Vanderwiel probable cause to search the vehicle without a warrant or the drivers consent.' << lol re: the obvious implication, the beasts are trained to 'signal' on command rather than search
decimation: asciilifeform: "fiat 'was down'" << sometimes this happens because a geomagnetic storm knocks down a satellite - for example most gas stations in the us clear credit cards through satellite
mircea_popescu: heck, why the hell not.