mircea_popescu: xanthyos: stuck at the ktichen sink for a 40 minute block << this is called "doing the dishes"
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xanthyos: cazalla: i write down numbers and have to later check them for significance
cazalla: xanthyos> i don't even want it <<< but it was the first thing you complained about
mats_cd03: the most skilled reverser i have ever met has OCD
nubbins`: <+cazalla> neither have my wife and i for some time plus she is getting fat so you know, prob won't ever again! <<< lel show her how to irc, maybe you guys can hang out in here together
mats_cd03: embrace the dysfunction
cazalla: just go out and harpoon the biggest whale you can find, no-one has to know
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Oh response<< any idea what that's supposed to mean ? << Not much, I think @TheRealSolid impiled my stupidity is why qntra is under constant DoS
xanthyos: like painting the brain into a corner
cazalla: xanthyos, come and clean my house then, wife is useless
xanthyos: it's like the most maddening thing and i can't imagine having gotten into it if i didn't get into it
xanthyos: i count like in the shower
xanthyos: it sounds one way and is another way
ben_vulpes: lady v and got stoned and can't remember if we fed the dog
cazalla: neither have my wife and i for some time plus she is getting fat so you know, prob won't ever again!
cazalla: i dunno, not having anyone in the house sounds pretty sweet to me, nice and quiet
xanthyos: to see if any friction amde them uneven
xanthyos: i find myself under a faucet of some kind or other for several hours a day
xanthyos: i got stuck there
cazalla: why the kitchen sink?
xanthyos: i use tinychat because i'm fucking depressed and i get stuck in my room for weeks at time or stuck at the ktichen sink for a 40 minute block
xanthyos: [12:12:03 AM] eric: shouldn't have brought yotu ointo the wot
mircea_popescu: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120310162435/theinternetbox/images/thumb/9/9b/Watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png/620px-Watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png
ben_vulpes: so i've pushed my 0.5.3 up to block 249618, and am now going to run it past the block at which asciilifeform reports wedging, and hopefully all the way to memory exhaustion
mircea_popescu: anyway. the problem of re-reading. i find goldsmith much less on point than i did back when i first read him.
mircea_popescu: rather than just pretend like "everything's equalk anyway"
mircea_popescu: is it that the slave is actually a better human being, strictly for having had the sense to be a slave, and follow the will of a worthy master
mircea_popescu: The poor citizen found almost all the spheres in which an honourable livelihood might be obtained wholly or at least in a very great degree preoccupied by slaves, while he had learnt to regard trade with an invincible repugnance." <<< here's a good question. how come the "free citizen" aka, delusional derp can not compete with the slave ?
mircea_popescu: i so loathe it when people try to serve a solid point by pious fraud.
ben_vulpes: i felt a great disturbance in the blockchain
asciilifeform: if no plan to make repairs / fire weapons, dispense with the sub and sink glass miner-spheres as described earlier.
JorgePasada: asciilifeform: We've had peacetime in the last 100 years?
asciilifeform: crew is there primarily to operate weapons (this was not entrusted to automata, afaik, anywhere) and to make repairs.
mircea_popescu: course these days due to automation, crews are kinda obsolete in both aviation and submersion roles.
asciilifeform: whether men conscripted to ru sub turn gay, is an interesting question - but minersub needs only minimal crew.
asciilifeform: who the fuck do you think can put up with constantly << conscripts.
asciilifeform: even the swedish female ones?
mircea_popescu: yup, they were noted.
mircea_popescu: it's not just "an improvement". it's cultural revolution huge, like the automobile.
asciilifeform: also note the virtually absent transmission losses (implicit in the customery power plant + distant miners scheme)
asciilifeform: well yes, anyone who remembers 'carnot cycle' can follow the outline.
mircea_popescu: (i obviously fucked up my digit breaks, but i think the idea carries anyway ?)
mircea_popescu: this is roughly speaking 3 to 5x the efficiency your competition gets.
mircea_popescu: this water has another .7MJ added by a nuclear power plant, turns to steam, powers a turbine, putting out 1MW of electricity which restarts the cycle.
JorgePasada: maybe I mis-used the word 'risk' earlier
JorgePasada: It's just that, if we're still talking about the vertically integrated mining thing, I don't see it as a viable play to accumulate wealth
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah, I'd agree with that quote and your subsiquent comment for the most part
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note that it was trying to administer the lands that ruined them. not conquering them in the first place.
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada you read the comment in question ?
mircea_popescu: it is not true that money and wealth is "wrong" or "corrupts", as the fucking protestants would have you believe. it is not true that appetite or expansion are evil, as the puritans would hae you believe.
JorgePasada: Just have the plant be 20% mining but only the 20% where you're gonna be wasting the energy anyway
mircea_popescu: dermined the basis of social stability, by substituting the bonds established by contract for those dependent on status as a basis for social order." are little more than present nonsense anachronised.
mircea_popescu: "The resultant society, however, was still reasonably stable and probably would have lasted a very long time if it had not been for Romes expansionist policies, which led to the establishment of the Empire." << this notion, that it was "expansionism" that broke rome's back, together with the previous "Its power was not based on hereditary status but much more on wealth. Such a change in itself must have seriously un
JorgePasada: if the only point of the thing is to churn out more mining chips to put in the space of the thing
asciilifeform: 'risk' is wrong word. something like a satellite launch is among the highest-risk physical investments - but people do it.
JorgePasada: But, there would be enormous amonuts of risk in something like that
JorgePasada: Maybe then
JorgePasada: I don't think it'll happen, too much concentration of risk. Maybe in like 3 years after the next reward cut
mircea_popescu: that indeed preheating water with the extracted heat would boost efficiency enormously.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it finally danwed on me after seeing that comment on the humble proposal to miners
cazalla: i imagine knc will mine and then once returns drop, they'll begin selling the cloud services to mine from customers wallets than bitcoin mining itself
asciilifeform: the vertically-integrated miner i spoke of 1yr ago - is either coming, or is churning already.
mircea_popescu: the fact that chip manufacturers are mostly not selling to individuals anymore, and the fact that mining is moving towards meaningless "cloud" derivatives is some point of concern.
cazalla: eventually someone will come up with the idea of renaming the ponzi to a mining simulator and pitch it as such
cazalla: in the case of GAW, they point to bitmain and had them confirm that they placed an order as proof that they mine and people fall for it all the same
cazalla: i suspect most of them are ponzi and some operate as such until they collect enough funds to actually mine, fake it till you make it "the secret" type shit
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but it's in the cloud so it has to be good! soon we will be living in the cloud, storing our wallets in the cloud and mining in the cloud
mircea_popescu: cazalla just between you and me, this bullshit "cloud mining" is a step away from pool mining in the utterly wrong direction.
mircea_popescu: There is the moral of all human tales '(tis but the same rehearsal of the past) : first Freedom, and then Glory when that fails. Wealth, vice, corruption, barbarism at last. For History, with all her volumes vast, hath but one page.
decimation: " A former U.S. ambassador who had dealt with Lavrov at the United Nations described him to me as disciplined, witty and charming, a diplomat so skilled “he runs rings around us in the multilateral sphere.”"
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/collections-of-views-and-other-impressions-also-from-buenos-aires/
mats_cd03: http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/business/2014/11/18/6/0503000000AEN20141118006200320F.html << lol. koreans smoking the reefer
decimation: at any rate, I'm sure the qntra readers in French Polynesia are disappointed
asciilifeform: litecoin hash power can probably still be fourier-transformed into these sinusoids very cleanly
asciilifeform: look for the sinusoidal ones
decimation: do chumps actually turn off their computers at night?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagined the way this works is, an actual provider somewhere gets orders from random derps on whatever forum
asciilifeform: hence the hours.
mircea_popescu: decimation well, prolly trying to make the most out of his budget.
decimation: for some reason our ddos friend tends to ddos only at daytime over the pacific
asciilifeform waits for the promised 'unmitigable!11!!1' bomb
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> what, you don't have your duets locked down? << can you explain this to the innocent ?
mike_c: that's what they built it for
mike_c: well, they use chrome
ben_vulpes: oh there you are JorgePasada
JorgePasada: ben_vulpes: Sorry I didn't get back to you the other night, lady friend dragged me kicking and singing to Karaoke
ben_vulpes: oh i thought we were playing "if i could stroll into the gold vaults with toys" game
decimation: flying is the new smoking
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decimation: http://spaceweather.com/images2014/15nov14/comparison2.gif?PHPSESSID=tgmk0lb92jsrmh0mgkpi5fhvu7 << radiation in-flight
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks') << video camera inline with sensor axis too, yeah?
asciilifeform doesn't either
mircea_popescu: i don't share the power rangers' suspicions of Werner Koch.
mircea_popescu: it could be one of those annoying chicks trying to impede sexual congress with their "friends" at parties ?
mircea_popescu: your pauses are pregnant like a thousand cockapedes fucked them raw.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03:you have potential for the stage my man << he has a point, you know.
asciilifeform: there's your answer.
mircea_popescu: so bookshop owner also had a mechanic shop and the two were next to each other but the later was in argentina ?
cazalla: decimation, give em more benefits, i'm over fighting it, better to accelerate the demise
asciilifeform has the dead tree, enjoyed it
decimation: yeah, they had the kind of communism where there was plenty of cheap shit for the masses, without the upside desperation to motivate self improvement
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the truely eager sort.
mircea_popescu: you know the sort of blowjobs you'd get in moscow for a pair of jeans, cca 1993 ?
mircea_popescu: dude, i expect the world out of 100 years of communism.
JorgePasada: when I travel, everything is up in the air :-)
JorgePasada: I hardly know what I'm doing tomorrow when I'm in the country I live in
nubbins`: happened to me once: "so you flew to london for a day, spent a week in marrakech... then back to london for 12 hours, and now back to canada?" "ah... when you put it that way..."
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada me coming here, "where are you going to stay ?" "no idea" "you know i have to put something in the machine ?" "recomend a good hotel ?" "x" "wut ?" "X!" "write it down wouldja" guy gives me a postit. "ok, so that's where i'll be staying".
JorgePasada: "How do we know you won't stay here if you don't have a return ticket?" - 'For starters I can work from wherever I want and It's 3 times the cost of living here..."
decimation: "Shadow work and pensions secretary Rachel Reeves wants to extend the qualifying period for out of work benefits for EU migrants from three months. She also wants to ban child benefit and tax credits for families living abroad."
JorgePasada: "What do you mean you don't know?" - 'I mean I'm going to a wedding and it's in 3 days and I have a phone and the internet'
JorgePasada: on the way in
JorgePasada: they were not happy with me
mircea_popescu: this trend where us folk are charged to leave their ghetto (pioneered by argentina, of all places) is going to only grow.
decimation: you don't need a visa but the queen wouldn't mind a tenner
decimation: http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/536967/Labour-Yvette-Cooper-general-election-vow-toughen-immigration-rules <<lol "She outlined a proposal which would employ another 1,000 border guards - by levying a £10 charge on visa waivers for arrivals from countries such as the US."
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: what would be the purpose << left as exercise for alert reader
mats_cd03: 21:04:31 <+asciilifeform> the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks') << what would be the purpose of this exercise?
JorgePasada: God does not cast dice, just... large metal rocks at the biosphere you're floating around in
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada which is why it'd be the perfect argument for divine comedy.
mircea_popescu: and so they dig it out
mircea_popescu: the lulz of all time, of course, is if someone finds a ten or fifty cubic kilometer solid gold meteorite in the ice sheet, however deep
mircea_popescu: this for the obvious reason.
mircea_popescu: anyway, meteorites are mostly iron-nickel, much like the eart hand everying else in the solid range
kakobrekla: find the meteorite
kakobrekla: anyway still the measurements are moot
mircea_popescu: maybe some trace li. yet all obseved ones have metals in them. so, must be end products of something else.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not necessarily. here's the catch : they evolve slowly, and our models would require them to have no metals
JorgePasada: don't think about that stuff too often, but that's what kept us alive all these years
JorgePasada: I saw this anamation of the lagrange points of Jupiter and how they drag asteroids around the sun with them. Pretty badass.
mircea_popescu: otherwise you just get a jupiter, aka gas giant. not a star, but a planet.
undata: meanwhile there are *colossally* bigger ones
mircea_popescu: iirc the smallest star limit is 0.x sun sizes.
kakobrekla: but on the small part of scale yea
kakobrekla: so how then?
kakobrekla: nor by the sun. < sure about that? :)
asciilifeform: the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks')
asciilifeform: (anyone crunch the 'fermi estimate' on it recently?)
asciilifeform: with the exception of neutron-bombardment product.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, because oil is locally made. gold was not made on earth, nor by the sun.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> at any rate, the biggest problem with hoarding gold is the fact that you really have no idea how big your enemy's hordes are << actually, yes, the total gold on earth is known within reasonable precision. one of the few proper fields of statistics.
asciilifeform: r. nixon went on a tour of knox (afaik the only president since fdr.) he was, iirc, even permitted to... touch! a bar.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: agreed. unfortunately, unlike the blockchain, very few have personally witnessed a real gold stash << actually, romanian central bank holds ~112 tons currently, you can pay ~15 bucks and go on a tour
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing it can do is stay where it "is"
mircea_popescu: <assbot> German Gold Stays in New York in Rebuff to Euro Doubters - Bloomberg <<< well the problem there is that it;s damned hard to move something that doesn't exist.
decimation: at any rate, the biggest problem with hoarding gold is the fact that you really have no idea how big your enemy's hordes are
asciilifeform: thing is, the time to test Au is -before- paying for it
asciilifeform: yes, this was discussed here. but whether they are actually used 'in anger', and what - if anything - is done to verify their function, is - afaik - unknown.
decimation: asciilifeform: agreed. unfortunately, unlike the blockchain, very few have personally witnessed a real gold stash
nubbins`: occasionally people sell fake gold on the forums
decimation: there are ultrasound devices too http://www.olympus-ims.com/en/applications/ut-testing-gold-bars/
asciilifeform was not there, didn't see it, and puts equally much faith in this claim as in everything else 'pro Au' folks say.
asciilifeform: (Au is a fascinatingly multi-layered bezzlecake. i.e., does your paper Au correspond to physical Au that you could redeem for? if so, what fraction? and if redeemed, how much tungsten in the bars? and if no tungsten, what will happen to you and your gold after it is known to be sitting in your pocket? etc)
asciilifeform: 'the key thing is it's something you cant mitigate against' << lol, atomic bomb ?
decimation: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-23/german-gold-stays-in-new-york-in-rebuff-to-euro-doubters.html << " “The Americans are taking good care of our gold,” Norbert Barthle, the budget spokesman for Merkel’s Christian Democratic bloc in parliament, said in an interview. “Objectively, there’s absolutely no reason for mistrust.” " lol
asciilifeform: it isn't like there's an Au blockchain to at least give some idea of when it moves.
asciilifeform is uncertain how anyone - who didn't personally steal it - can be certain who has 'the gold'
decimation: yes, and in fact I've done exactly that because it is rare to find properly sharpened knives in the us
mircea_popescu: suppose you carried actual cutlery. you can carry it back the same way. many problems actually solved.
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, ok, but look at it. what do you do with the leftovers ? do you throw them out on the spot ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: you make a good point re: plastic forks - generally in the us they are supplied with low quality food
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2014-09-26/?msg=22344014&page=1 << fascinating smoke&mirrors job. these jokers do their best to make 'remote attestation' sound appealing, and obscure the actual raison d'etre of the tech (boobytrap in your own silicon against you, owner, in any and all cases) by spinning it as 'forbidden by usg'
nubbins`: he can publish the article anywhere ;/
cazalla: oh, i thought it was to stop others reading
asciilifeform: 'petertodd jrayhawk: it's interesting how more than one tor dev I've spoken too firmly believes Werner Koch - gnupg maintainer - is a NSA/BND plant with the goal of ensuring gnupg remains unusable (e.g. strong opposition to any attempt to make it into a library)'
mats_cd03: you have potential for the stage my man
asciilifeform: that there's - this.
asciilifeform: 6:36 AM it's rather surprising and counter-intuitive but it appears that (for now) the system is working as designed. or if there are compromises, they're so rare that they aren't worthy of mention in the NSA docs.'
asciilifeform: 6:36 AM apparently either they don't exist or the journalists who were able to report on so much else somehow missed it
asciilifeform: 'hearn: well i assumed that too when the docs first leaked last year. i kept waiting for the slide shows about the compromised CA's.
asciilifeform: and other gems:
asciilifeform: which should suggest something to folks who are still 'on the fence' re: the concept.
asciilifeform: such as, it turns out that shitgnomes are rather enamoured of 'mathematically provable security!!111!'
asciilifeform: many things to be learned, though probably not what the participants intended.
asciilifeform: it is certainly worth reading the total log.
asciilifeform: 'However, their voluntary exile was short-lived. This structureless mass of people was incapable of creating a city on the model of that which they had known. Consequently they returned to Rome and after many struggles established themselves as citizens of the Republic. If they were eventually enfranchised, it was that they had become culturally absorbed into Roman society, but for this to be possible the latte
asciilifeform: it happened as the very complex roman religions were brought closer to the understanding of teh plebs << goldsmith's 'great u-turn' had a superb if very compact intro to this process: http://www.edwardgoldsmith.org/28
cazalla: undata, they? i only have one, not as lucky as some
undata: cazalla: it's awesome; they acknowledge they rely on you by complaining and deny it in the same breath
cazalla: asciilifeform, it's their version of Facebook's Like
asciilifeform: cazalla: favourited the qntra article << how does that work ?
nubbins`: i guess the coming home part depends on how good you are at making important life decisions ;p
nubbins`: the first half of that sounds like an unfettered nightmare
nubbins`: cazalla sounds like the honeymoon's over
cazalla: A guy told me one time.. do not let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner.. why didn't i listen lol
cazalla: there is nothing worse than having a beautiful, sunny morning tainted by a complaining woman!
mircea_popescu: under the umbrella of the Ghee Kung Tong, identified by the feds as a de facto Chinese mafia organization. Chow begs to differ: My organization is not what they call a secret society, he says. People misunderstandits not a secret. Its a private self-help group, helping people, our people. Its about loyalty, trust, honor. As the chairman, its my job to help people.
mircea_popescu: the common cold is the most common disease. it is not the "largest" nor the most important disease.
mircea_popescu: "The need to obtain, install, and manage certificates from that bureaucracy is the largest reason that sites keep using HTTP instead of HTTPS. " <<< most common != largest.
cazalla: or she didn't actually read the article
mircea_popescu: "Today EFF is pleased to announce Lets Encrypt, a new certificate authority (CA) initiative that we have put together with Mozilla, Cisco, Akamai, IdenTrust, and researchers at the University of Michigan that aims to clear the remaining roadblocks to transition the Web from HTTP to HTTPS."
cazalla: fucking lol, that shapiro chick favourited the qntra article on her hardware wallet
mircea_popescu: whereas to the counterparty, those oppressing them : you could probably switch to "man and homan".
mircea_popescu: i propose euman as the term. it's different from human in that it's BETTER!
mircea_popescu: by the way, any transhumanists of the future reading this, secretly in their secret coven while being grieviously oppressed by an unrelentingly ignorant society :
thestringpuller: so they can kick you more easily?
cazalla: well, you know, some people's footnotes are longer than the article itself
thestringpuller: and they complained about my footnotes. (jus' sayin')
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Well this whole Jesus thing has kind of been a huge bummer for Western civilization ever since the Romans started taking it seriously <<< it happened as the very complex roman religions were brought closer to the understanding of teh plebs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been trying to pinpoint the pathology for a while now. this so far is the best hypothesis i know.
mircea_popescu: but in fact, considering pedigrees, that's exactly what the antecessor of this was huh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and the rawlsian lottery is presumed to include only them <<< ahhh, excellent point re the "inner light" stuff. it wasn't directly apparent,
mircea_popescu: i still can't shake the same bemused, "wait, did the monkey srsly just try to shoot me with a stick" disbelief whenever confronted with it, to this day.
mircea_popescu: out of which she even has like, expectations, not to mention thinks it victorious in principle and afore the fact, like calling the name of god or something.
mircea_popescu: it took me a coupla passes until it sunk in that the woman actually is seriously presenting this as some sort of an argument,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: that is, 'slavery is bad mmkay because what if you were a slave' << lol i remember an encounter with this in kindergarten. substitute whoever attacked some longstanding privilege of mine that i meanwhile forgot with the totally unexpected "can't do that, because what if all the other kids want it too ?"
thestringpuller: mats_cd03: sounds similar to the line from The Dark Knight. "Live long enough to become the villian"