mircea_popescu: 185.34.216.71 resolves to "ddos-server.intyl.biz". who the fuck came up with this idea i wish to know, and i further wish to know how many people reading logs got a start from it.
mircea_popescu: turns out RamNode had the cute idea of naming its stuff thusly.
mircea_popescu: so do the huobei vs stock generation piece ! for great justic
mircea_popescu: no, because a spitting copy of that other kim is coming by to visit us in a little, and ima have my hands full
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because you've not built the ship!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron <<< no, it gets better. next, they will be getting the congressional medal of honor, for "innovation"
thestringpuller: ponzi schemes will help destroy the financial system!
mircea_popescu: Companies 10 and 11 promised monthly returns of 50% and 100% (later 40% and 70%) respectively. At the same time, share prices could plummet 50% for company 10 and 100% (e.g. all the way down to 0) for company 11. That caveat (known as Rule 18) was another way for StockGeneration to justify their claims that this was a gambling website, rather than an investment vehicle.
mircea_popescu: Company 9 was the "privileged" company, with its shares "guaranteed" never to decrease in value. Promised return was originally 10% a month (215% annually,) but was later reduced to 7% a month or 125% annually. In early April 2000, Stock Generation, despite all previous guarantees, devalued its privileged company shares to 5% of their previous value.
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mircea_popescu: shit not mmm. stock generation. the internet thing
mircea_popescu: which is EXACTLY what happened there.
mircea_popescu: they would be shifting their focus almost entirely towards the goal of funding "core development" << my translator comes up with "it's dead".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up. << looking.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Wow, there's a city actually named Moroni << iirc some prophet in john smith's braindamaged copy of yurp under his own "brand"
mircea_popescu: decimation: Google: "Q: who owns the internet? A: nobody" << fuck you << i imagine they're talking of the whole enchillada, as opposed to the parts thereof.
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mircea_popescu: mayhap the debian gr is wiser than us ?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform diametric http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller the estates of many of dead man would probably find contravex of interest
mats_cd03: o. well kako should update topic then
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thestringpuller: yea scoopbot doesn't always have the scoop
pete_dushenski: developer training and certification workshops << gotta prop up that profit when all the "i just wanna support the causers" are sucked dry
pete_dushenski: "I aim to make the most complex game I can still balance. This doesn't sound like an easy task, and it's more difficult than it sounds."
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kakobrekla: next week they will be back on coindesk with some new chumpatron
BingoBoingo: Eh, more shitheads than brainheads nowadays
kakobrekla: shitheads
BingoBoingo: It sounds like scam, so should be qntra'd, but could probably benefit from someone more familiar with where the scam is here writing it up.
nubbins`: i, for one, welcome the opportunity for that sweet gambling revenue to be diverted away from roads, social programs, and the healthcare system, and to be randomly redistributed to the gamblers
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mats_cd03: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/11/19/sms_pwnage_on_meellions_of_flawed_sim_cards_popular_4g_modems
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assbot: Logged on 03-06-2014 23:48:07; asciilifeform: however, the reason why it is customary to sit a captured wretch on an anthill, or the like, without first inquiring about his assets, is that in such a situation the definition of 'assets' expands to everything the victim could potentially beg/borrow/steal
asciilifeform cannot remember the source for this tidbit, will have to dig. probably ru.
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, they were going for bitcoin, which gold isn't. but still... lol.
asciilifeform: note (generally omitted from schoolbook histories) the cost of a seat on schindler's train
mircea_popescu: none oif them went "fuck this shit, i'm moving to galia narbo and building a castle."
mircea_popescu: the rich senators were still buying armies in rome by 399.
mircea_popescu: the rich jews were still trying to make deals with teh reich in 139
mircea_popescu: i can find three new wives and learn a language before the month is out. your average "rich guy" is petrified of changing his colenostomy bag brand.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, they're generally old people.
asciilifeform: in some ways it is. in that the serious mega-capital is likely already walking
asciilifeform: at any rate, the reason there is not a pandaemonium of attempted republikflucht from usa, and corresponding whack-a-mole game by usg, is very simple -
asciilifeform: (notice no bags of benjies accepted either)
mircea_popescu: and much like the very real bond to participate in the fake bitcoin auction they're holding, no "shares", no "bonds" and no other bs accepted.
asciilifeform: sorta inverse of the 'prove you have enough to live on' demanded when entering certain countries
mircea_popescu: anyway, if 2015 is going to be the year to leave for its entire length, it's definitely the last one.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that since the owners care about their carcasses more than about their coins, keeping them in keeps the coins in.
asciilifeform: (for n00bs - a vanity-exchanged currency is approximately as useful outside of the border of demented issuing state as vegas poker chip is outside of vegas)
asciilifeform: but not clear that the buggers actually care to detain the earthly carcasses of the owners, vs. just their holdings.
asciilifeform: iirc, the version of the statute that actually passed was '50k outstanding tax is grounds for cancel passport'
asciilifeform: well the 'come to mama' physical lure
mircea_popescu: why put them anywhere ?
mircea_popescu: to prop up argentina, so it doesn't care what the ny courts say
mircea_popescu: where do the traitors' dollars go ? to prop up russia, so it laughs at the embargo, right ?
mircea_popescu: the effect has been to increase its life expectancy by degrees of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: it's the leaks.
asciilifeform: nah barrel scrape from their pov.
mircea_popescu: than the reverse.
mircea_popescu: well, no. i happen to think the us would be in a better shape if the whole thing sunk but those 10k were saved
mircea_popescu: they sent ~10k of those things in one bulk this month.
mircea_popescu: lemme know if the idea is plainly stated and can be followed from the text or i need to explain it better.
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mircea_popescu: it's that the fucktarded women that are now in their 50s raised a generation of subhuman scum. and it's everywhere.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck in the past, man.
mircea_popescu: yeah, just like the % of times a pickup line is successful depends on the pickup line.
asciilifeform: would depend on the particular magic, no ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: grunt at ft. meade had to let go of the red button to light a cig
decimation: they timeout for me
mircea_popescu: decimation it could be, except they don't see to be.
decimation: mircea_popescu: could it be that your nameservers (ns7 and ns8) are also inaccessible, thus causing the 'dns outage'?
asciilifeform: mailed back medal, sure, anyone can. but what of the money.
mircea_popescu: back when the romanian president gave the star of romania to a bunch of dubious derps, five dozen or so various prior recipients returned them
mircea_popescu: what i don't understand is how people like linus don't just return the "award"
asciilifeform: at any rate, i'm unable to say when exactly we reached the point where 'the hunchback can only straighten in his grave' - but it was some years ago.
mircea_popescu: they're really labouring hard to make sure they actualy get boiled in oil, these people.
asciilifeform: notice paul graham, elon musk, buncha minor catamites, in there.
mircea_popescu: yeah, makes total sense. buterin, the new torvalds
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mircea_popescu: let's pick a derp with absolutely no merits to give the nobel prize to.
asciilifeform: 'Co-creator & inventor, Ethereum; Co-Founder, Bitcoin magazine (Toronto, Canada)' (from original source)
mircea_popescu: "Vitalik Buterin beat Mark Zuckerberg for the 2014 World Technology Network award in IT software. The award is presented for Buterin's role as co-creator and inventor of Ethereum which has yet to exist and co-founding Bitcoin Magazine. "
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this.
asciilifeform: ^ not 100 percent, either
asciilifeform: plus elaborations of how the actual deed was done in various time & places (crushing, pulling, cutting, burning, etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the piece where explains three basic types of eunuch op
decimation: yeah I remember the old AT chassis, built like a peice of HP test equipment
asciilifeform: (if you were good with, among other things, a jigsaw)
asciilifeform: 488 was among the last of the standard buses intended to humour folks who want to build own hardware
decimation: yeah I used to call it 'centronics' connectors, didn't realize their heritage
decimation: the problem with 'taxing the wave of massive adoption' is that eventually when the wave passes on, one needs to ride the next wave to sustain all the fleas that have attached to the revenue cow
decimation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2014/06/10/why-qualcomms-royalty-revenue-will-continue-to-decline/ << " Qualcomm’s royalty rate for LTE-only is about 125 basis points lower than for 3G. As the industry transitions from the 3G to 4G technology, Qualcomm’s average royalty rate will come under pressure."
decimation: to complete the circle
decimation: probably many of these 'black boxes' were developed by 'startups' funded by usg tax dollars through universities
asciilifeform: but i would be greatly surprised if modern x86 dies did not have 'licensed' black boxes in them.
asciilifeform: i'm not entirely certain that any piece of silicon that hit the market in the past half decade or so, is a 'real asic.'
decimation: this is pretty much the business model for every 'fabless chip corp'
asciilifeform: 'the air-seller.'
decimation: my understanding is tha altera is generally easier to deal with here, because they actually do their own r&d to produce these 'ip cores', whereas xilinx tends to contract it out - involving third parties in your product
asciilifeform: incidentally, the last time i gave a damn (> 1yr ago) i learned that all the 'miner asic' products had been produced this way.
asciilifeform: e.g., your ethernet card, ddr controller, whatever libs you had the misfortune to rely on
asciilifeform: naturally you cough up royalties for their 'property'
decimation: including all the fpga bugs
asciilifeform: e.g., xilinx wants you to prototype on their fpga, and then offers massively-discounted asic process which simply consists of their fpga die plus custom metallization layer.
asciilifeform: decimation: asic << and here's where the turdmeisters win. many 'asic' products on the market presently are actually 'hardcopy fpga'
decimation: it's cheaper to run a full server than to pay for the engineering time to dick with the fpga
asciilifeform: generally used when there is absolutely no alternative.
decimation: which is why many folks don't even bother with fpga for small projects
decimation: which results in shitty RTL code to program the thing
asciilifeform: if you grind away at it long enough, you can sometimes figure out the actual physical locations of things on the die
asciilifeform: because it uses the general-purpose routing fabric, and propagation delays eat you alive.
asciilifeform: which makes the entire proposition of fpga a thinly-veiled scam
decimation: but yeah the number of onboard 'serdes' modules is becoming a big deal
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah or you can buy the ip core
asciilifeform: decimation: what joy. more proprietary crud that has to be on the die for fpga to talk to anything external.
decimation: the latest hotness in fpga is to use a serial bus, after folks have lived in the ddr hell
asciilifeform: decimation: but i escaped having to program them.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect the same pattern one sees with bitcoind is common in free software, 'the ancients' (typically one elite guy) writes something useful, then shitgnomes dangle turds on it for decades
mircea_popescu: the hallucination that "people getting togheter" "solve problems" is also a recurrent mode of psychotic social behaviour.
asciilifeform: one could dispute particulars, but the popular image of 'open source' where 'thousands of people' have meaningful contributions to a project - was always a hallucination.
decimation: I suspect most folks thought they were getting 'free warez'
decimation: or at least, there wasn't much will to oppose
decimation: everyone in the 'free software movement' was happy to allow redhat to take over everything important in userland
asciilifeform: to the extent 'linux' was a clean-room riff on 'minix' - same deal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was alive at the time it made linux overnight.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aside from examples like 'emacs', most of what is actually useful in 'open source' was written in other times, other walls, pre-dating it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not altogether certain it was ever alive.
decimation: really, the 'free software' movement was a kind of reaction to microsoft overreach, which has largely splintered into a hundred different corporate factions
mircea_popescu: so the remaining pretenders don't manage to cling on to the shoes of their forebears. this should be shocking or what ?
mircea_popescu: well, in truth the entire "free software" thing was dead a while back.
asciilifeform: lest anyone think tortoise gets nothing from this deal - think again. he gets to derp in front of the other cartoon animals, that - even while his shell is bursting from megacock thrust - that nothing at all is happening
decimation: I don't blame redhat et.al., like larry ellison, they are just exploiting what they can exploit
asciilifeform: and then again halfway.
asciilifeform: achilles said to tortoise, let me stick the cock in halfway.
mircea_popescu: i was merely following the hints.
asciilifeform: decimation: they actually voted for surrender to enemy
decimation: speaking of which mircea_popescu: so you called it with the debian GR re: systemd, they 'voted' to make init scripts 'optional'
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
decimation: yeah, they seem like a good idea on the surface, until one realizes that it really saves no work over making a gigantic 'switch/case' statement
kakobrekla: anyway i mapped the memory hole
asciilifeform: decimation: i love it how retarded folks continue to pretend, 30 years later, that one cannot build a system where program is able to go back and correct the cause of an exception
kakobrekla: but i think the third was was 40k already
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think about the 'exception' mechanism in c++, python, etc? To me it seems like a hack to attempt to account for the shiftiness of system calls
kakobrekla: crossing the magick stuck block
kakobrekla: when you see the green line at 1 gig is when i first tried mps suggestion i think
decimation: asciilifeform: thus the need for a programming language that cares about such things
asciilifeform: the general case.
asciilifeform: at the risk of turning into naggum - must say, this actually matters.
kakobrekla: think about how well defined the behaviour of the moments prior to leak death is < not really
kakobrekla: my net is poor here, waiting for an upgrade but im quite far from the central and its just so much they can do
asciilifeform: (before you say 'ram quotas!', think about how well defined the behaviour of the moments prior to leak death is)
kakobrekla: what the problem, its automated!
asciilifeform: there we go.
asciilifeform: because i did try the max_locks thing, to no avail
kakobrekla: i dont think its db log autoremove, it was there before stuck
mircea_popescu: the only concerning point in all of this is that guy has a wife, and a house.
mircea_popescu: "Ive been thinking about all the ways you could have found the necessary passwords to get into my computer and actually be using it overnight. None of them too easy. You put some pieces together in a pretty clever way and worked around my many accounts with 2fa." << 2fa works.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: (on another note: if mp's ego explodes, and no one is around to see it, did it really happen?) << i don't have an ego anymore. it couldn't keep up.
mircea_popescu: davout:deterministic behaviour, too fucking mainstream <<< i didn't make the internets!
decimation: it's true that nobody owns "the whole thing" but that doesn't mean that it is "unowned"
PeterL: Like you said, you can own a small piece, but nobody owns the whole thing
decimation: sure, why not toss out every law and then split the world into 81 equal squares each owned by 'the people'
PeterL: who owns the Earth? Nobody
decimation: Google: "Q: who owns the internet? A: nobody" << fuck you. if I have a router and a server, I 'own' that piece of the internet. Imagine some peasant showing up in the court of Henry VIII claiming that 'nobody owns' the land under his hovel because the list of owners is large
PeterL: yeah, one of them, hence why I mentioned it along with Nephi as a Utah city
BingoBoingo: Fucking anglo trash were the people who mixed the latin Negro with the Dutch Nikker to create a racial slur
BingoBoingo: Nikker is a perfectly valid way to express frustration at a person's complete ignorance in Dutch befor ethe language was tainted by acquiring the UK in the Orange revolution
mats_cd03: lol. bingo with the flourish.
BingoBoingo: ANd consider the teritory is francophone
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Drop the terminal i
PeterL: I still don't see the significance of a city named Moroni?
BingoBoingo: Comoros has all of the disadvantages of being east african, island, and 21st century majority muslim all bound into a single turd
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Comoros is poorer than liberia. Kuwait is paying Comoros to give these people passports, because... Why not?
BingoBoingo: PeterL: In the context of Kuwait giving a bunch of its natives who are currently illegal immigrants citizenship in Comoros sure.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: The Moroni I spotted is in Comoros
PeterL: What's strange about Moroni? In Utah they also have Bountiful and Nephi
BingoBoingo: Wow, there's a city actually named Moroni
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/11/19/kuwait_s_novel_solution_for_undocumented_residents_buy_them_citizenship.html
nubbins`: i wanna start printing the covers tonight but i'm a bit intimidated :o
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nubbins`: nah, not many required. they'll be bound tight and then the spines will be glued to the covers
BingoBoingo prolly should have splurged for the Apple II GS
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also at school auction in the free bin
BingoBoingo: At the time my knowledge of the internet was that some how you can go from HTML to porn according to Newsweek
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Also what other OS could I run on a $10 computer when I got bored with Mac OS?
asciilifeform: so many compact learner friendly machines to choose from that period! why BingoBoingo went with the one covered in gui menstruade...?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah, the price of color is you don't get the 6830 and ability to run A/UX
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BingoBoingo: Real computer http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Macintosh-Color-Classic-Computer-w-Keyboard-and-Mouse-5554-/111502858502?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item19f6169906 Network connectvity http://www.ebay.com/itm/Macintosh-Color-Classic-Ethernet-Card-Apple-LC-575-PDS-Farallon-New-Networking-/231332620598?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item35dc7fa936
BingoBoingo: I really don't know many computer vendors atm with compelling offerings other than Ebay and surplus auctions
asciilifeform: devthedev: find nearest scrapyard, under the cover of night - steal an actual computer
kakobrekla: throw it though a closed one then , i dont mind
devthedev: It's too cold outside to open the window.
kakobrekla: devthedev even better: window. throw out.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Needle, steady hand, current.
devthedev: BingoBoingo: There's firmware password protection
devthedev: The bootloader's locked
BingoBoingo: devthedev: You know... OpenBSD and Gentoo have Mac PPC ports
BingoBoingo: devthedev: IMGUR?
devthedev: kakobrekla: It's the only one I can access.
BingoBoingo: Well, in encouraging news apparently the value of a Mosin Nagant is still well under half a BTC
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/The_family_legal_fight_over_Ryan_Howards_finances.html
mircea_popescu: and obviously, they would "prefer it" if it worked the way they want it to work, rather than the way it actually works.
mircea_popescu: the problem with putting up an adult flag in a world of children is that you get crowded by all the kids that are trying to mature but don't know how
asciilifeform: the quiet, thoughtful idiots, one ought to expect, will put on a more interesting performance than the loud and noxious ones
asciilifeform: incidentally, i have long expected that the day will come when all the world's idiots, with their bags of cheap tricks, arrive here.
asciilifeform: say 'radio play' and folks think 'war of the worlds'