BingoBoingo: The "tech set" needs to rent, cut expenses, and get ready to go to cheaper country
decimation: yeah that's been quiet for awhile, I think they were going to 'settle' for $2k per person
mircea_popescu: i figured, "hey, whoever was competing in that market won meanwhile ; doing away with the entire thing"
decimation: I've heard the google benefits are going downhill
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not at all. look at greenspun'ssad story with arsdigita
decimation: yeah actually the vc/founder relationship is probably alot like subway/franchise 'owner'
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Not VC's, C's
thestringpuller: I suppose in meatspace VC's can forcefully remove the leadership of a company in exchange for more money.
BingoBoingo: Subway found a demo with money, and... they got shit done. They just had to manage their partners the same way they manage the cattle coming in for the product.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: irl idiots get forced out of ownership once their company reaches success << this is usually the case, but sometimes idiots can be too dumb to realize they need to step aside in meatspace too.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, and like every other franchise like that profitable locations are retained as "corporate stores"
decimation: BingoBoingo: is that how that works? I wondered why there were subways every 10 feet in the us
BingoBoingo: On the otherhand Subway does great business recruiting Doctors who want a tax writeoff to finance their new locations
mircea_popescu: look at dooglus's mishandling of justdice, no need to go further.
mircea_popescu: let alone that it is their ONLY option.
BingoBoingo: There's good franchises out there, but the secret is the management/owners have to be managed like the customers
mircea_popescu: generally, they're too stupid to even realise this is an option
mircea_popescu: irl idiots get forced out of ownership once their company reaches success. in bitcoin, they have to relinquish willingly.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller quite, yes.
mircea_popescu: decimation re making money, there was this lulzy failure of one of romania's cardboard tycoons. he tried to open a franchised 7/11 thing.
thestringpuller: decimation: as mircea_popescu once stated on trilema money is the least of his problems (in fact he is already "bankrolled" from drug dealing). his problem is finding competent people.
mircea_popescu: they don't by and large even remotely consider doing it. but it sounds cool
decimation: thestringpuller: can't he find someone with some credit to get a bezzle loan?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the thing with what people "Want to" do is that it's generally just a credible excuse
decimation: I wonder how many 'franchises' actually make money for anyone other than the 'headquarters'
thestringpuller: what does he do? He sells drugs in the woods behind it because he isn't competent enough to hire leadership to get the shop open.
thestringpuller: I have a friend who is trying to open a skateboard shop literally 500 feet from the biggest skatepark in the state
mircea_popescu: no because they're just as good as anyone else!
thestringpuller: well, along the lines of "derps managing", usually this results in the franchise being run into the ground
mircea_popescu: decimation seems more likely they're on reddit.
decimation: thestringpuller: yeah I might be exaggerating, they might be just plain barristas, or just sitting at home and receiving gov't checks
decimation: they have all been 'laid off' and are now working as shift managers at starbucks or whatever
decimation: they used to pay derps to sit in an office and move memos from the in-queue to the out-queue
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah, the 'de-professionalizing' of the us 'middle class' is a long-run trend
decimation: BingoBoingo: yeah, prices of assets that are outside the bezzle orbit have generally held steady
decimation: what does it mean when the price of every asset in a marketplace changes simultaneously in the same direction? http://finviz.com/map.ashx
decimation: the other thing that I found amusing is the completely simultaneous moves in the stock market over the past few years
decimation: it is interesting how quickly "women should be able to do anything men can do!!" fliipped into "women must work so that they can afford good schools, low crime neighborhoods, etc"
mircea_popescu: then people wonder why everyone, from china to russia, thumbs their noses at the us poverty.
decimation: I think part of that is explained by the fact that most us couples now both work
decimation: re: "there's no inflation" << if you look at assets that are close to the bezzle this is obviously false http://cdn2.blog-media.zillowstatic.com/1/SECMI-Infographic-01-9e5cc6.png << manhattan real estate for instance
decimation: it'll be interesting to see if the us stock market blows its top this week
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/the-antidote-to-ransomware-prevention/
BingoBoingo: It would be interesting if a large portion of humanity couldn't make it to the year 300 because even the corn became diabetic.
thestringpuller: So eventually plants start dying because we water them with gatorade because "they have electrolytes".
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's largely here for a good portion of the population. The people who won't water the flowers or the garden without "Miracle Grow" and such.
thestringpuller: Where people begin to belive the derps are professionals because no one knows any better.
mircea_popescu: i certainly met plnety of buttheads...
thestringpuller: As mircea_popescu points out in his article on YCombinator (Facebook lining up a billion idiots of investors), I wonder if the the world Mike Judge envisioned in Idiocracy is possible.
BingoBoingo: No they don't
mircea_popescu: yes, but also don't have the sort of power that had traci lords fuck dogs.
mircea_popescu: except their crew and screenwriters suck so bad, the old school as depicted by them is a scary abomination
thestringpuller: Ah. I thought it was interesting they pointed out how amateur porn destroyed the artistic nature of "old school" porn.
thestringpuller: it's perverted the profession as a whole.
thestringpuller: "A great deal of attention has been paid . . . to the technical languages in which men of science do their specialized thinking . But the colloquial usages of everyday speech, the literary and philosophical dialects in which men do their thinking about the problems of morals, politics, religion and psychology . these have been strangely neglected. We talk about "mere matters of words" in a tone which implies that we regard word
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, the fucking french with Derrida encouraged it in the name of socialism and now social media marketers do it pretending to do capitalism.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: that reminds me of huxely. Take all meaning out of a word as described in his book _Words and Their Meanings_
BingoBoingo remembers finding out that the Alumni association considered anyone who attended for four semesters and Alumni without any regard as to... graduation
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course and once things that the words apply to lose any scarcity who cares about that word, next!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo words exist for inept marketeers to try and sell them right ?
cazalla: http://www.2gb.com/listen-live if ya wanna listen to drama in .au go down, apparently this radio dude has spoken to hostage holders but won't put em on the air yet
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Something has to be important or a school to have Alumni. 1950's Nasa has Alumni, random college has alumni, random wankfest does not.
mircea_popescu: "meet a collection of idiots from the intrernet who will think they're on a first name basis with you in spite of not actually having a bank account, and will be late to meetings at places where they can't afford to eat".
thestringpuller: I'm looking at their alumni...and it's like...
mircea_popescu: obviously, i'm not alone. but no, to the parallel universe puppies everyone's like... you know, them.
mircea_popescu: someone does that about say me, everyone instantly knows he never had the good luck to be in the same room with me.
BingoBoingo: Derp X, Here's how to pretend to be the Y set of Derps.
BingoBoingo: Of course, but... When random derps on the tumblrs can spot this sort of shit.
mircea_popescu: then allovasudden she's held at gunpoint!
cazalla: hopefully shit at the chocolate shop escalates, it's disappointing so far
cazalla: mircea_popescu, he won't do it, they don't negotiate with terrorists or smething
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> speaking of our PM, whoever is in the chocolate shop says they have devices planted around the city, demanding to speak to PM on live radio ha << pretty cool.
BingoBoingo: Well, the city has a history of that.
BlueMeanie4: most of them are in Berlin
BlueMeanie4: and all the agencies surrounding this project
BlueMeanie4: im hoping this isnt the chitlins pic
BingoBoingo: The Detroit lions tailgate, where butthole was on the menu? http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Qw_Ja3me--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/qinv93edltweelefqvyq.jpg
BlueMeanie4: what are the good ones
BingoBoingo: I imagine there are a lot of words
BlueMeanie4: whats the word?
cazalla: speaking of our PM, whoever is in the chocolate shop says they have devices planted around the city, demanding to speak to PM on live radio ha
undata: that PM you guys have seems like the Bush from Down Under
undata: cazalla: that's how you can tell they're tough on terrorism
ben_vulpes: "get out in front of this" << what, get in front of the train?
cazalla: well, assuming it's the isis flag, sorta similar https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B42kjXgCIAA6sUS.png:large
undata: cazalla: is that an instagram filter on one of the pictures?
thestringpuller: is this why governments sue successful companies to get their cut?
thestringpuller: Same thing happened to Square in Virginia with the whole Money Transmitter License.
cazalla: i'm not sure, but even if it is illegal, why waste your time chasing uber drivers and arresting them
thestringpuller: Uber is technically illegal in the US, but that isn't stopping them for some reason.
cazalla: thestringpuller, lol
kakobrekla: normally when you place a gig or so, people will go to store, buy the cd, rip it to your specification, fill the request and get the bounty
kakobrekla: upon reading pms on the tracker, seems someone filled a request for me a month ago.
kakobrekla: the. line. was. idling.
mats: you're incentivized to find new stuff or seed the newest stuff
kakobrekla: on some private trackers, prolly what is not the only one, but i dunno for sure.
kakobrekla: what.cd < you dont know what impossible means until you try to seed there
thestringpuller: cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2p9ctz/ford_motor_company_bitcoin_a_trend_for_2015/cmuj9va "I came here for the bunny"
cazalla: prob make for a shitty viewing down here though being in the burbs
Vexual: if your sinus plays up, hop into the ocean
Vexual: nevermund the expense; it must be done
cazalla: thestringpuller, i know that feel
Vexual: jump into the ocean friebd
Vexual: they're effectively massless after a fashion
BingoBoingo: I couldn't identify it so I'll have to assume the worst. Hostile space shit.
Vexual: noones decribed the green yet tho
BingoBoingo: I'm still not convinced it wasn't the Avians come to depose lizard hitler.
BingoBoingo: It faded over the horizon
Vexual: did it fafe in the sky?
Vexual: halfway up the horizon to up?
Vexual: there goes my fantasies
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was still stuck on the form as well, and yes. It is arts and crafts time
mircea_popescu: im more interested in the form, they're still usign the same hearts-pattern crinkly paper ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not even discussing the content, which is banal.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: dwolla is a name that seemed to jump the shark for web 2.0 names <<< just about when "cutesy" died.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The pando editor is joining the derps because he author was called out for being right in every way.
BingoBoingo: Not even countable in their insignificance
BingoBoingo: Just the continuing shrinking drama, is ripples
mircea_popescu: whatever they are.
BingoBoingo: There is no wave.
mircea_popescu: lol srsly all this thrid wave us socialist press attempts to reduce the discussion to their categories.
Vexual: put a keyboard anywhere near the thing you'll need a drink
BingoBoingo: It is the epitome of it.
mircea_popescu: i mean... it's there, plain as day. "we don't do anything useful anyway".
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, the entire "we would have fired some guy that doesn't even actually work for us because he wouldn't clog up the pull tree with documentation-gender-improvements" is quite positive proof nobody has any actual work to do.
assbot: Uplifted by massive numbers who marched peacefully today in /hashtag/Oakland?src=hash, then disheartened again when it turns to smashy. /hashtag/MessageDiluted?src=hash
asciilifeform: i.e. the full force of usg.
decimation: yeah tramiel was commodore, when he left the thing tanked. it's a shame, they had a real shot at being an 'alternative' to intel
BingoBoingo: Sure, but is there a more ill thought out field than car naming is USia?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> heavily used and many years old already when we bought it. << Same for me and the wagon full of Macs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the machine of roughly the same period as nes but with 'adult' i/o was 'commodore 64.' << Immature criticism, but not everyone likes semen
asciilifeform: came with a book that described approximately everything there was to know about it.
asciilifeform: the machine of roughly the same period as nes but with 'adult' i/o was 'commodore 64.'
decimation: it would be mildly amusing to play with the nes BASIC cartridge
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. NES is a brick, but people still program for it because it offers the thigns you value.
asciilifeform: see the lisp brick article, etc.
asciilifeform: the basic idea being that a computer's owner should be able -and expected- to understand every aspect of every part in the machine (whether physical or logical) - and that everything about the design should be thought of with the purpose, above all others, of making this possible.
decimation: mats, the issue is explained in ascii's "bedrock" essay
decimation: yeah, I understand, the terminology is ambiguous
asciilifeform: it is not anything like a complete identification of the retardation of the past 25 years of computer.
asciilifeform: mats, decimation: i don't like referring to the 'von neumann machine' for this reason
decimation: asciilifeform: I think the impulse for 'defense in depth' is a good one, the problem is that it simply isn't possible on the von neumann machine
decimation: so the S&P500 fell ~4% this week because oil is getting cheaper, even for companies that would obviously benefit
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> badon: How does collecting the shinies go? <<< thought BingoBoingo made a pokemon reference for a moment
badon: I just hoard it when it's cheap, and stop buying when it's expensive or there's a shortage.
badon: No, I eat the food.
BingoBoingo: That confuses me. SO you've bought a bunch of sausage, but never tasted the delicious pork in itself?
badon: Although gold is very liquid, for the amounts of money I typically deal with, I prefer food and cash instead.
BingoBoingo: It's amazing though how much people complain about tungsten filled bars and yet the value of tungsten endures.
badon: I need to write another article.
badon: I wrote articles recommending palladium and ruthenium. Both performed very well.
BingoBoingo: I have the most sparkling asshole to this day.
badon: I'm considering buying silver bullion for the first time since 2008.
badon: BingoBoingo: I think the way it's going to go this time around is exactly the same as every other time. First, the precious metals will move (they're dirt cheap now), then the coins.
BingoBoingo: badon: How does collecting the shinies go?
BingoBoingo: The story of rules is finding common enemies or allies and then applying leverage by derping loudly in numbers until people neglect history.
BingoBoingo: undata: Or managed ally. Anything to open the faucet.
cazalla: dwolla is a name that seemed to jump the shark for web 2.0 names
undata: or have I missed the point?
undata: BingoBoingo: what is the strategy behind creating a "jews" and then turning them into your friend?
decimation: re: ford motor company << http://www.computerworld.com/article/2859373/ford-dumps-microsoft-for-qnx-unleashes-new-functions-in-sync-v3.html Ford dumped microshit for QNX, a proper RTOS, and apparently the 'infotainment' system works much better now
decimation: well, the nyt story and his website mention nothing about bitcoin, so he's just an anklebiter
BingoBoingo: undata: The thing is enemies differ. Flu virus is a different enemy than Saddam is a different enemy than a mugger. In the cases of the latter two either could be turned friend. If either was turned friend that value of each differs on orders of magnitude.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Similarly because the people who made the Dwolla Gox-USD portal live in Iowa, Dwolla now lives off of Iowa state payments.
BingoBoingo: "Rules" solved a specifically American problem and birthed a number of other, specifically, American problems
BingoBoingo: And both the Daileys and Polaks were sated
BingoBoingo: The "Rules for Radicals" consists of nothing more or less than how to scare the Dailey family into realizing it isn't all poor people who are a threat, just the black ones.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, notice where the rules came from, Shitcago.
mats: there's a nice 5% discount subsidized by google
BingoBoingo: Aka the definitive Obola book
assbot: It’s time for Tor activists to stop acting like the spies they claim to hate | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOcMrD )
asciilifeform: http://pando.com/2014/12/10/its-time-for-tor-activists-to-stop-acting-like-the-spies-they-claim-to-hate << from earlier link
undata: I slapped my phone on the card reader twice, nothing, gave up never to try again
BingoBoingo: I know people who use it, but I don't know people who know they use google wallet.
undata: cazalla: I tried it once for the hell of it; didn't work
BingoBoingo: I can endorse Топор as the bitcoin movie though
BingoBoingo: OMG the laptop stays cool for youtube movies!!!
BingoBoingo: Pando editor appologizes for good article http://pando.com/2014/12/09/clearing-the-air-around-tor/
mircea_popescu: there's no wai. i saw it cited.
asciilifeform: try to recall the old life. with physics.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just as 'armed bear lisp' was the original commonlisp-on-jvm
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Another "LISP" in jvm turd runtime
BingoBoingo just finished surgery on the laptop. Took forever for a replacement fan to arrive from china that wasn't counterfiet.
assbot: “Well, that was unexpected…”: The Raspberry Pi’s Hardware Random Number Generator | We Saw a Chicken … ... ( http://bit.ly/1w4Lfgx )
kakobrekla: stumbled upon this by accident, sorta funny. http://scruss.com/blog/2013/06/07/well-that-was-unexpected-the-raspberry-pis-hardware-random-number-generator/
asciilifeform: and treated with much the same reaction as the 'financial academia' reserves for taleb or mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: but it is not the case that academia rejected schwartz without reading. they read, all right.
asciilifeform: because in order to distinguish the work from 'timecube', you need a) at least a year or two of undergrad physics b) a week or so of sweat
asciilifeform: the only place you can read his eotvos material is his site, which 'suffers' from '90s www design aesthetic and almost everyone spits on first sight
asciilifeform: the point is that no such thing is printable today.
decimation: well, einstein was working in the swiss patent office at the time, he wasn't looking to leech a grant
decimation: of course, how else are you going to hobnob at the conferences?
asciilifeform: muppets walk in, in search of muppetry (it is an iron law that a work of muppetry must reference other such works)
asciilifeform: academic librarians, incidentally, are merely doing their jobs. they keep things around which are often-requested, and tend to slowly discard what remains.
asciilifeform: in any academic library, there are books which are actually about something, and there are also those that were printed to pad a muppet career
asciilifeform: even with respect to the 'dead trees', the decay is rapid enough to be seen with naked eye
decimation: djb has a rant on ieee's policy w.r.t. works of the federal government: http://cr.yp.to/writing/ieee.html
decimation: 90% of their egg is rotten, maybe 5% is worthwhile, but you must either have the all-access subscription or pay princely fees for the journal subscriptions
asciilifeform: less than one tenth of the subscription cost of one (!) typical journal.
asciilifeform: but moral principles against giving a scammer what he wants, won the day.
asciilifeform: i briefly considered subscribing to an 'audited' class (no grade) just to count as undergrad, to score the goods
decimation: I'm sure the taxpayers of the state of maryland will be pleased with the decisions of their servants working in the state