mike_c: it shouldn't have mentioned grubles' key if he wasn't going to sign it. but the contract says rg was talking for the board, so his was the only "required" signature.
Anduck: ...to mention people, say in the contract that the signatures will make it valid, then there's 1 signature missing, they still let it on the exchange and it's being traded.
kakobrekla: Anduck were you around at the time?
mike_c: "WHEREAS, the aforenamed James "rg" Edward was delegated to represent the Board of Directors of BitVPS" << you're saying this is untrue?
kakobrekla: i think one header is missing there
Anduck: then l2gpg
Anduck: this is the thing ^
Anduck: S.BVPS was listed on MPEx on April the 12th, 2012, under the ownership signature of rg, then as of now one of the best trusted WoT members. It began trading on the 15th that same month, with a total market capitalisation of about 3`000 BTC.
Anduck: nope- read the bitvps agreement
Anduck: apparently a company being listed at mpex without owners of the company agreeing on listing it
grubles: if the web archive link isnt evidence enough
grubles: shouldnt have. because both of them went behind my back to list bitvps on mpoe.
kakobrekla: want more fun? find the sig: http://web.archive.org/web/20121213082144/http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php?mpsic=S.MPOE
mike_c: what's the specific beef? you don't think it should have been listed or delisted?
TomServo: grubles: what's with the timing? A year after delisting?
grubles: interesting considering it shouldnt have been executed in the first place
grubles: "Should BitVPS fail to execute this Agreement, as for instance by but not limited to breaching 2.2.e above, MPEX will notify the named individuals of their breach and may, at its sole discretion, suspend BitVPS from trading thus activating the liquidation of BitVPS. "
mike_c: or at least, i'm taking your word since i didn't check the two signatures to see if one of them was yours.
mike_c: well, but what's the problem? Clearly you didn't sign it.
grubles: my current key is not the same one btw
grubles: ill give you a hint, theres only 2 gpg signatures.
TomServo: BingoBoingo: The "show trials" link on the most recent bahahahra/ulbricht article has an errant http:// suffix.
davout: txt.bz2 because your disk space totally is the limiting factor
jurov: lmaoooo there's phrack gentoo ebuild? and last two editions are marked unstable?
mircea_popescu: if only they had gpg
Naphex: the servers only send to any queue with user confirmation (email, otp, password
Naphex: every dude on the internet started sending him a screenshot
Naphex: "Oh woes, i do not have control on the servers, i have to manually check each transaction"
Naphex: including all the shitty announces
Naphex: no idea, that guy went full retard and just wrote shit on the news page
davout: im kinda curious as to why messages from seemingly you and your associate are still up on the frontpage
davout: how's the btcxchange.ro thing going?
mircea_popescu: burn the withc.
mircea_popescu: the main reason herbivore meat is so good (and we don't eat cat) is that its liver is so big and its diet so simple that the meat becomes very narrow, chemically
mircea_popescu: that doesn't work, herbivores get liver damage then the meat gets poisoned with fifty thousand different byproducts of a broken liver.
BingoBoingo: The offal might have to go to some food recyclers, but ptobably get hella marbling in the meat.
BingoBoingo: I mean alternately instead of beering up the cows like the Japanese do, it might be worth raising some seriously alcoholic cows.
mircea_popescu: i guess if we ever make the bitcoin ranch it's getting tried.
mircea_popescu: a good six gallons of middling burgundy should do the trick.
BingoBoingo: OMG Great idea, but instead of brake fluid... Wine transfusion for the cow before steaking it.
mircea_popescu: just the margerine alone. it's like instead of exanguinating the beast, you'd replace its blood with brake fluid, then butcher it.
mircea_popescu: cakes made by machines however... they're not really cakes.
mircea_popescu: homemade cakes are one of those religious experiences that put the innocent at risk of fundamentally altering their life. a steak gets ruined through the industrial process, of course, but somehow not quite to the degree
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient tradition among german tribes transplanted in transylvania, that a couple may only divorce after having spent a day in a tiny hut with a single plate, spoon, stool etc.
mircea_popescu: imagine, sharing the tiny ass bathroom with your ex
mircea_popescu: i knew a number of chicks that got divorced while owning a one room apartment with hubby, so put a curtain down the middle.
mircea_popescu: if normalcy is convenient then wtf was he doing anyway
Adlai: this is the only instance i've found of somebody claiming to pull this off properly, and then return to "normal" just for convenience
Adlai: things seemed to have gone downhill after the original reason that i'm familiar with this guy: http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/10/polyphasic-sleep/
mircea_popescu: meh, malicious. kinda dumb, but then again...
mircea_popescu: o the weirdo guru/ex convict nut.
Adlai: you read enough of his nonsense and you'll find a bit of sense, but the SNR is woefully low
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's much simpler than that. confine three people in a space, notice they will talk. the stuff they talk about is unimportant, to them and everyone else.
Adlai: what's the financial incentive to paint these graphs? somebody must be subsidizing for companies to compete over it, even if it's just inadvertent subsidizing by clueless VC bagholders
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=timecube | Referring to timecube.com. Used to describe someone or something that is so stupid it tears at the very fabric of reality.
mircea_popescu: holy shit the chinese actually understand why chinese women are ugly ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I thought that one of the timecube's essential points.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, they wish to be the biggest provider of obsolete nonsense to the new world of novel nonsense.
Adlai: meanwhile it'll be fun to see how they conjure up an insecure security
mircea_popescu: or just like a ceo stands in front of the same holy line, supposedly his performance somewhere in therer.
Adlai: that race is only worth watching if there are some real captains of industry bidding on the fastest horse
mircea_popescu: sort-of like obama sitting in front of a line angled from the bottom left to the upper right, for no particular reason, that "represents" the "people", neither quoted symbols meaningful to any degree.
mircea_popescu: what i thought you meant was : 1. people will make up numbers, irrespective of any reality, because it's what people do ; 2. those numbers will be put on an arbitrary graph ; 3. there will be a race to pretend meaning out of this meaningless combo. which race we call "painting the graph"
Adlai: "coloring" is probably the wrong word for this: turning the bitcoin transaction/address graph into a bitcoin transaction/[corporate]person graph
mircea_popescu: they're trying to be the biggest pony express company this side of the railroad, because such is the way things go.
Adlai: dunno. seems to me like they're just trying to get their edge in the graph-coloring race, in whatever way seems opportune right now. not saying anything about the likelihood of any individual participant to come out ahead, but there is a race and somebody will be winning it.
mircea_popescu: these theoretical potentials, you know ? men could breastfeed if they leveraged their boobs.
mircea_popescu: they'd make money selling leavened bread to moses ?
thestringpuller: Adlai: their ad system is terrible.
Adlai: they wouldn't be making money off the amount of wealth transfered, though. they'd be making money per successful ad targeting.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that the spanish empire could be quite profitable if "it increases" the number of jews inhabiting it. for one thing, it's not the empire increasing it, for the other, they'll fuck it up
Adlai: reddit will be rather profitable if they can increase by an order of magnitude the number of casual bitcoin dabblers, while watching their every breath, move, bond, and step
Adlai keeps reading http://www.thebaffler.com/salvos/crowdsourcing-scam
Adlai: the fuckup fairy loves a threesome
Adlai: er aren't they D?
mircea_popescu: Adlai if anything it'd be s.advc or something. except they're insulated iirc, so...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I left an easter egg in the article for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo loved the article btw.
mircea_popescu: hey there j.
fluffypony: someone should change the default ircd builds on gentoo to include a spam filter
davout: "Luke-Jr has left IRC (Excess Flood)" <<< the irony
fluffypony: they don't look very indigenou
cazalla: to get in that xmas spirit, be sure to watch the family favourite https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXw57HrQ250
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user antonosika__: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=antonosika__ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=antonosika__ | Rated since: never
antonosika__: People losing interest over the bitcoin price?
thestringpuller: People get annoyed enough as is with the whole auto-payment stuff that happens with itunes "da autorenewal".
thestringpuller: I guess the plugin seems unnecessary.
fluffypony: it is part of the paywall
cazalla: thestringpuller, when he's 18, legal age here, not 21 like the states, we start em young enough here as it is
fluffypony: thestringpuller: what's lol about that? reasonable use of an unused HTTP code, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with the plugin they've developed
cazalla: thestringpuller, i'm not willing to share my booze
BingoBoingo: Come on, don't get the kid started too early
thestringpuller: can't you put whiskey on the kids gums to prevent him from crying due to teething
cazalla: i know eh, it was amusing to see qntra name there
thestringpuller: it's not that late there
cazalla: really needs to be renamed black man execute cops but we've had one of them past few days
thestringpuller: I'm watchin Hulu, and the commercial playing during this show is a Bank of America partnering with Khan Academy ad, about budgeting money. And it's like "Really?"
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: working on a piece
mats: you gotta finish the 12mi in under 3 hours
decimation: " In combat this very often results in nonessential activities such as digestion, bladder control, and sphincter control being completely shut down. This process is so intense that soldiers very often suffer stress diarrhea, and it is not at all uncommon for them to urinate and defecate in their pants as the body literally “blows its ballast” in an attempt to provide all the energy resources required to ensure its survival."
decimation: actually that's good training for 'the real thing': http://www.isegoria.net/2014/12/parasympathetic-backlash/
mats: he says it a buncha times and i'm confused bc how am i going to clean up before we get back to the barracks?
mats: the nco running the thing gets in front, starts talking, etc, and stops in front of me and starts bitching at me about putting my shit away
mats: eventually the dude behind me realizes it was me and calls me out
mats: afterwards, we're in formation and all the dudes in the group have made it, and people are making fart jokes as usual
mats: i'm about to ascend a hill, still got a good lead, so i decide to roll down the side of a berm
mats: i'm way ahead of most of the group by mile 8
mats: the night before i eat a monster dinner with like half a pound of pasta, because carbs are energy amirite
mats: when i was in pre-air assault training i did a 12mi ruck to train up for the big one
decimation: yeah the logical option would be to make up words to stand for syntax stuff
undata: decimation: the guy above came up with his own weird language for voice-coding
mats: it took six weeks to get the software somewhere usable
thestringpuller: i've always wanted to write a sketch about two computer gangs who are as ruthless as bloods and crips. but they are the vim's and emacs'
mats: at the end of 2 months i had gone through a stack of keyboards i bought at a flea market
undata: mats: I went on a recent keybinding rally mapping things to space as leader plus keys around the index and middle fingers
mats: i talked to a surgeon a few years ago (ive had CTS since 18) and i was told that 50% of people operated on don't experience any change, and of the remaining half that get positive results, half of them see only a mild reduction in pain and a good number (i can't remember) experience a recurrence in symptoms in their lifetime
thestringpuller: mats: that's the most depressing story I've heard today :(
decimation: right now one must drill a hole in the skull and dress the would each week to prevent infection that could eat your brain
undata: BingoBoingo: hopefully we have some BCI thing by then
undata: reminds me of my stepdad; he once nailgunned 3 fingers together, then calmly drove himself to the hospital and when asked what his "complaint" was, presented the hand with a grin
BingoBoingo could imagine in the not too distant future people doomed to careers of data entry having surgery to radiacally rearrange the anatomy of their arms below the elbow.
decimation: they just have more finesse
BingoBoingo: Well, it seems like he had the right idea
mats: not the brightest guy but shit he was a boss
mats: it didn't work. kek. but, this didn't hurt that much either...
mats: after drinking heavily one night he decided to fix the problem with a brick and smashed his wrist
mats: he decided to give up the fingers. told me it didn't hurt that much.
mats: he had a few seconds to make a decision to risk breaking his arm and dying on the way down or lose a few fingers
mats: shortly after becoming an NCO he was involved in a bad jump where his hand got caught in the static line
decimation: there would be nothing that would please me more than if I saw some bum with a yahoo ad
mats: now there's an idea
decimation: some bum who camps next to the George Washington bridge also has 300,000 'views' per day - that doesn't transform him into a 'profitable business'
decimation: it's amusing because apparently they get '70 million views' per month, and yet they are unable to be profitable... because if they started to monetize with ads, they are afraid that their '70 million views' would dry up
mats: then shadowban 90% of posters
decimation: mats: and what would have if you owned every reddit note? would you have a seat on the board? would you be able to show up at the 'advance publications' headquarters and demand free drinks?
decimation: well to whatever degree they 'owned' it before, it seems likely that is 'more owned' now
BingoBoingo: decimation: Or they decided successfully owning the thing most of the time wasn't enough.
decimation: BingoBoingo: coupled with the vague announcement yesterday, it seems someone in usg has decided to pull the plug on tor; possibly related to this sony attack
assbot: I now have access to Satoshi Nakamotos email address used in the Bitcoin Whitepaper (Satoshin@gmx.com). : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1sYBQYJ )
decimation: ah, all the crazy lefties who own reddit are fighting the system by enriching some new york jew
decimation: this guy (along with his brother) > http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-newhouse/ <owns advance publications, which owns reddit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: now i know why i first completely forgot and then inexplicably avoided to look at it
jurov: either i'm making an ass of myself or mp utterly botched div payouts in december
assbot: America’s Big Five Are Plunging the World Into Another Banking Crisis / Sputnik International ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZwEbq )
kakobrekla: i am receiving others people money and accounting for it correctly. also, incidentally i havent received my own part for November yet, so i made a joke.
kakobrekla: well you are wrong there.
jurov: kako stfu. you're lucky you aren't recieving other people's moneny you have to account for correctly
jurov: anyone else can confirm they received divs correctly?
jurov: or it's the tax? october reports say nothing about it
kakobrekla: we have more than 50% of the shares but never exactly the same amount due to how the ipo was structured
asciilifeform: which, it turns out, the systemd pushers reflexively defended as a feature.
asciilifeform: inverse in the sense that things turn to shit, not gold.
asciilifeform: jurov: and, like an inverse king midas, once they touch something - it stays touched.
kakobrekla: is that causing the diff?
jurov: asciilifeform no tthey want to embrace and extend grub, too
jurov: and of course, this is the moment i discover conflicting information
asciilifeform: check out where the fuckers say 'grub [bootloader] should detect an impending fsck' - because it is the responsibility of the entire planet, they think, to compensate for their idiocy
jurov: and i forgot to process them on coinbr
kakobrekla: aha its me then, classic.
kakobrekla: its been fixed for the tax i think
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: jurov were they paid out on mpex?
asciilifeform: 'Please could we stick to the technical aspects of this problem. Attempts to apportion responsibilty rarely lead anywhere.'
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that was a quote
jurov: kakobrekla: ^ why S.MPOE/S.BBET isn't there since october?
asciilifeform: 'My experience of running Linux on my personal local interactive (rather than server) systems over the past eighteen years leads me to believe that the long-term benefit of *prophylactic* fsck invocations triggered by mount-count or interval-since-check is approximately zero, since *those* invocations of fsck have never discovered FS corruption on my systems.'
ben_vulpes: http://paulgraham.com/ecw.html << run many models; run as many evaluations on those models as is practical and reweight the decisionmaking balance regularly; most ideas are bad ideas so try to find the smart people. did i miss anything?
asciilifeform: 'little' being the size.
thestringpuller: "little malice" sounds cute like a puppy tearing up the pillows
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: or a lot of malice in the case of heartbleed
asciilifeform: the best place to hide a little malice is a gigantic pile of incompetence.
decimation: yeah it's a good point. there is a vast difference between 'source is open, could read' and 'design is obvious, fits in head'
asciilifeform: as they have in fact been demonstrated to do on many past occasions.
asciilifeform: decimation: another thing is that intel et. al. are not honest actors and there would be every reason to suspect the physical product and documentation to diverge in arbitrarily malicious ways.
asciilifeform: doesn't matter how thoroughly the thing is published.
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a good reason to doubt that a sufficiently gnarly turd can ever be considered 'open'
decimation: asciilifeform: either from ore or paying the ransom required to get intel et. al. to completely open the design for a chipset
decimation: asciilifeform: there's no way in hell someone could create a 'free and open' laptop like that for less than a few $100 mil
cazalla: more like they want equal outcome
cazalla: i think we need more womens too https://twitter.com/Catheryne_N/status/545650643759669250
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i like how they blur the name but leave the avatar making it easy to find with google image search http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:fkcQBH9yWJIJ:instagram.com/dontrunup+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au&client=ubuntu#
asciilifeform: 'the sleep of reason produces monsters.'
mats: asciilifeform shitting on another man's dream
asciilifeform: the fundamental confusion is, as always, between effort and product.
dignork: well, grassroots naive engineering, they asume doing minimal amount of integration work ona product, makes it 'open' 'free' etc.
asciilifeform: dignork: nah, the linked board is at least useful for something around the house (it's a generic arm-based microcomputer)
asciilifeform: https://www.crowdsupply.com/inverse-path/usb-armory << another mega-lol. trust our magical trust chip, infused with powerful all-purpose trust juice !
Adlai: could they pick a name that doesn't remind me of mitochondrially transmitted religions?
asciilifeform: no mention of this on the site, that i can see
asciilifeform: 'Purism Installs TOR by Default' << l0l! cherry on the cake!
asciilifeform: (for those unfamiliar with the subject, 'microcode' is best imagined as a kind of 'piano roll' of toggles which get flipped when a particular instruction is encountered by cpu. this in turn actually cranks the ALUs, pipeline stages, all the other familiar components.)
asciilifeform: in reality - not at all the same.
asciilifeform: supposedly the same items
asciilifeform: 'So, sure, it's pure to build without the microcode blob, which means in reality that you're deciding to use the microcode blob *already embedded in the CPU*. And, on many new CPUs, the one that comes with the CPU has issues that mean you won't get past DRAM init. And, if you do get past DRAM init and boot, you've got a CPU that may have subtle errors and corrupt memory.' << this is an interesting and little-known fact
asciilifeform: 'the Management Engine... is a separate microcontroller embedded in the PCH and has a full network stack, has access to DMA and other nasty things. The firmware is signed by Intel and verified at each boot by the microcontroller, and if the firmware signature fails to verify correctly, the x86 cpu will not be allowed to boot... We must get that freed by Intel' << lol!!!
kakobrekla: >The
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/four-bitcoin-based-projects-from-mit-students/ <<< beyond me to gauge whether good or not, perhaps someone *cough* bingoboingo wru *cough* might know better, just a bunch of links really
asciilifeform: 1) they don't build 2) you need winblows even to try, and the entire build scheme consists of winblows 'bat' files.
asciilifeform: anyone here ever try actually building any of the supposedly 'open' sources ever put out by intel ?
asciilifeform: 'We are working with Intel to allow us to scrub, release, and maintain the source for this, but havent finalized that yet. We are devoted to freeing this binary.' << pigs will fly.
asciilifeform: 'the BIOS does use coreboot, which includes a binary from Intel, called FSP.' << ahahahaha lol
asciilifeform: 'Purism is manufacturing the motherboard, and screen printing the keyboard.' << piece of shit. printed key marks - come off.
Adlai: oh is this the evidence + objections?
Adlai: whatever happened to the digest-redact-encrypt model of leakage chumpioned by assange et al?
cazalla: seeing bingoboingo is not around atm, anyone able to lend me their technical expertise on a document?
kakobrekla: i thought for a second it was that other thing that also looks like mac.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Apocalyptic: redditards can ask for whatever they want and keep on luring themselves to the illusion of relevance
thestringpuller: the redditards are beginning to ask for hardfork: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pvhs3/we_are_moving_towards_1mb_average_block_size_very/
mats: now i can read these papers ive been putting off
Vexual: shout out to punk for the excellent interface too
assbot: Baby Bash - Suga Suga (Jerry Folk Remix) by Jerry Folk - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1HdDM0m )
asciilifeform: who ever thought of asking 'the people'