asciilifeform: the other, is the one where folx sit around and try to sweet-talk the koscheis sitting on the tapes, to take pity and maybe release something 'orderly way'
asciilifeform: for the benefit of uninvested l0gz readers, i will summarize what i know. there are 2 basic schools of bolixology.
phf: actually i'm not sure i said it in the logs, so my bad. i want a fully operational bolix fpga, or in the future other type of replica, complete with genera sources and other such bells and whistles
asciilifeform: the 'i will lose from having this in public record' is quite concerning.
asciilifeform: i cannot picture how to draw any other conclusion from what's been said so far
phf: asciilifeform: you're making selective conclusions from what i'm saying, i don't see any point in further communicating my point.
asciilifeform: dun wanna end up out in the cold, with asciilifeform and other barbarians, would prefer warm clubhouse of the sad people ?
phf: yes, and it can continue this way, until i either have non-0, or it all amounts to nothing. how's that a problem? it's my fucking work.
asciilifeform: what have you got from 'three years of relationship building' with the anons ? by your own admission '0', neh ?
phf: asciilifeform: there was already _one_ conversation, i made my _conclusions_. your adventage is that you can basically just rant in the open, make insulting fucking statements in "general direction" of those bolix whisperers. where's i lose by having this in public record. i told you as much _at the very beginning_. but you clearly shit on my efforts, i mean you have been saying as much in public for a year, so you don't lose anything
asciilifeform: as for 'this conversation', it is imho an entirely necessary one, and the only thing unreasonable about it is that it had to wait for 13 months.
asciilifeform: if phf's thought is 'i can't trust this maniac not to lie and then post whole thing on ftp, killing kat the radio gurl' i'd like to hear this said in the open.
phf: and more important how can i trust you into the process if your basic approach on the subject is shoot from the hip?
phf: this personal, on top of the fact that it low key compromises what i'm trying to do?
phf: look i told you about the stuff basically as soon as i came back _from a photoshoot_, gigs of photos, need to be sorted through. i communicated as much. the whisperer stuff started way before i had a chance to do anything about it. i mean what the fuck. it's like "i'm the greatest bolix liberator, and everyone else working towards it is an obscurantist and a cunt, unless they blog their shit right now". how am i not supposed to take
asciilifeform: phf: my reaction , thus far, is strictly to the not-getting of the selfsame offeredstuff.
phf: not only that, but _immediately_ after your started on the whole whisperer thread
phf: where's the reality as i see it, is that you were offered some stuff, and your reaction was i'm my own king i do as i want
phf: the subject. perhaps i should've made it clear that _knowledge gained this way is yours to keep_. in response i got constant, year long abuse directed _as i believe it was_ at least partially my way about whisperes and conspiracies.
phf: that's not a promise that i made, and this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear that i don't want this publically discussed, because obviously if any of the interested parties were to read this conversation, their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never the less offered to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation that you can just keep quite on
asciilifeform: so i cannot make promise 'you can read but Never Do Anything with these!'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: appreciate, asciilifeform would like to avoid 'infection' with the sort of oath phf apparently took with his source
mircea_popescu: could for the same money have "hey phf-- i know i said so and so in the past, but truth be told now i got these chips and i'd like to get some work done, so how about..."
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:04 asciilifeform: nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not
asciilifeform: i'm not at all averse to handling the matter in such a way that it preserves phf's source. keeping in mind the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881979 caveat.
mircea_popescu: you know, when you ask someone why is x conflictual and he dunno, it's a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882111 ; when you ask me the results are invariably http://trilema.com/2018/an-examination-of-conflict/ like.
mircea_popescu: so then why is this a conflictual matter anyway ?
asciilifeform: previously i had nfi why he wouldn't simply pass on the goods as-is
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 asciilifeform: phf: i aint proposing to put the thing on ftp as-is.
mircea_popescu: so basically, the facts of the matter is, "at some point in the distant-er than month but closer than decade past", phf wanted to tell you some things and you took a hard line "just dump the thing", which he didn't want to do. then recently, having bought some parts and being less theoretically and more practically minded, you revised your stance ~in your own mind~ to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881964 and so on, but n
asciilifeform: i dun begrudge the year, even. proj moves in geological time, for entirely unrelated reasons
asciilifeform: fwiw i have nfi what sorta danger could justify the 'yellowdots' phobia here, i'm stuck taking phf's word
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:30 asciilifeform: phf: if dump weighs TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense to pgp to asciilifeform . i'ma not post the raw docs and their yellowdots.
mircea_popescu: so it's not factual then ?
asciilifeform: 'hey phf, canhaz pinout nao ?' 'busy this weekend, how about next month' 'hey phf, been 6 weeks, i have to bother but canhaz pinout?' 'i'm moving flats, ask again in 2k' 'hey phf...'
mircea_popescu: well, so in simple terms, is 'your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet"' a factual claim or isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: my question was as to the past.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to summarize : if phf decides to Do Right Thing and gpg to asciilifeform the goods, then i'ma eat'em and whatever public output will not reveal his informant.
mircea_popescu: so now. is the case as you publicly present it, "phf has been not helping for year +" or is the case as he publicly presents it, "i tried to help a year ago but granularity didn't match and then he went on a campaign of fuming about whisperers ''in general'' transparently in reference to the particuylar case and i was stuck sitting and listening to it."
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:58 phf: asciilifeform: when i communicated with you, in private, about the dump in the past, your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet", i've attempted to communicate to you that further value can be extracted from that relationship, if you're patient. your reaction to that was to start talking about whisperers etc. and then you come back with "i wonder how you got your hands
mircea_popescu: and now im in the unenviable position of thinking about nonsense. look here asciilifeform : the man says http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881968 and what am i to do ? remember that you're one of the principal idiots who decided to run their pizarro process throgh a encryptospitball, and before that you came up with the brilliancy that was "secret clauses" in pizarro nearly got ben_vulpes beheaded.
asciilifeform: silent, these lot, like partizans.
asciilifeform: phf: i regret to insult phf . but try to appreciate asciilifeform's position: dug in the dirt since '07 and the only clues dug up were with not only no help from anyone, but in spite of vigorous stonewalling from entire 'komyooniti'
asciilifeform: and i have ~decade of eating erry scrap of docs that ever came to the surface.
mircea_popescu: in other trivia, i give you 70s hair! https://d1yokj200xz0mr.cloudfront.net/gfx/news/strelky.jpg
asciilifeform: that's sumthing. if indeed it's there.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:55 phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work. i think that dumping this dump as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved. i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881963 << the question here being, what exact assistence is this to be then ?
asciilifeform: until ~then~ i will be left to wonder whether actually achieved anyffing, even if working cycle-accurate clone with somehow full src.
asciilifeform: and especially , deliberately unfriendly to whoever profits from the seekrederpery. in fact, i will know when my reversing has succeeded when a bolix collector somewhere at last eats his pistol because his $100k stash of irons is now worth == 8bit nintendo.
asciilifeform: phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying.
asciilifeform: phf: if i'm wrong, i'd very much like the hypothesis 'but if only phf had brought the goods' not to lay on the table re why wrong.
phf: asciilifeform: you suspect wrongly, but you won't take my word for it either.
asciilifeform suspects that if this weren't the case, i'd be posting from a 32GB bolix already
mircea_popescu: there's no direct way to resolve this in the shot-over-bow manner, and you two have the disadvantage that being very unlike personalities with very unlike personal histories, you apparently get on each other's nerves.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
mircea_popescu: right. anyways, carrying on : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881922 << in the practical terms of doing things, the problem of unknowns stands that the man with a need and no chest doesn't know what to ask from the chest and the man with the ches and no need doesn't know what to send him.
asciilifeform: ... and not because pressured, but because it's the motherfucking Right Thing and was clear all along.
asciilifeform: ( and imho it's quite obvious what The Right Thing is )
asciilifeform still hopes to see phf Do The Right Thing
phf: mircea_popescu: i act out of character once, and it's to my disadvantage. i got the original point, i didn't at any point expect that there's a way to avoid it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm still discussing the line i quoted, i'm not yet at current log.
mircea_popescu: now, as to me personally, i find your behaviour deeply offensive for the following reason : i do not believe you speak accidentally, you're much too meticulous and lengthily silent for that. the only reconstruction of today's discussion that stands my read is, "well, at first he tried line x, see if they're morons enoujgh to buy it ; that failed, regroupped to line y".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tho ftr brother faithfully shared with asciilifeform the rare chocolate.
asciilifeform: phuctor was specifically conceived as a spiked, electrified cock to be driven deep into the arses of the 'we measured, won't say' people, whatever their nominal flag
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall your 'how to piss me the fuck off' piece ? this is sorta the beginning and end of asciilifeform's version, were it to be written.
mircea_popescu: there's a long history of "fuckers, phuctor" specifically driven by this behaviour, so no, it's not liable to be popular in general.
phf: asciilifeform: if i followed your lead on this subject i would've had nothing. for all i know right now i still have nothing. i don't understand how you can't seem to connect that the answer to "how did you do it??" is in what i'm doing. if i'm not giving you anything, it's because i don't have it, or i don't know if i have it, which is something for me to evaluate.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:29 phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881922 << i suspect the approach is particularly chaffind to asciilifeform because childhood trauma, "older brother keeping the good chocolate to eat with his gf". but this aside, it is problematic because it very much smacks of usg-style "here's the conclusions of some measurements we're not publishing".
asciilifeform: i aint a hotheaded fella, have patience. picture how e.g. mircea_popescu would react, if somebody promised him item 'next weekend' and then for 13 consecutive months 'next weekend' with no intermediate debug output.
asciilifeform: plox can haz conclusion to this, e.g. after the last line of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 ?
phf: asciilifeform: well, what's the point of me saying things and then you still stick to your original conceptions?
asciilifeform: by phf's earlier admission, 99+% of the stash is 36xxism. then can haz the remaining page ?
asciilifeform: can haz errything ~not~ thusly labeled then ?
asciilifeform: phf: relax, i aint in hurry. but i'd ~really~ like not to have to have same thead yr from nao.
phf: how much of this is genuine interest to replicate the damn thing and how much of this is just a blind "i want, now now now"?
asciilifeform: for all you know, the thing is built such that if i make clone 1mm shorter, capacitance changes and it dungo. my board actually has 'blue wires' ! and caps soldered by hand straddling ~two~ socketed PALs, and other wonders.
phf: there's no "docs", it's not some kind of mother lode of all things bolix. fwiw i went into as excited and with the same expectations you're imagining right now. there was a set of printed papers that primarily existed in pre-ivory days. they are mostly related to e.g. mechanical layout of the boards (the bulk of stuff was e.g. machining parameters of motherboards and cases, something i didn't even touch)
asciilifeform: i'm even inclined to believe when phf says 'i'm gathering intel, from skittish source'. but there comes a time to act on the intel.
asciilifeform: what then should i understand as the 'operation' phf fears 'fuck up' by giving up docs ?
phf: i've spent significant amount of time in the snap4 also, looking particularly at the ns bug, i've played with the relevant instruction. it's not missing, it's apparently not buggy either, there's nothing to publish. throttling the emu seems to eliminate it though
asciilifeform: that occur in some of the soft (e.g. 'ns' )
asciilifeform: phf: i was under impression that there were missing instructions
asciilifeform: why not the bins ?
phf: in order to run orig soft stably you need the os source code
asciilifeform: just not quite enuff to run the orig soft stably.
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma defo refer to the emulator when baking fpga clone, it has plenty of useful info re the instruction set
asciilifeform: observe that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-13#1824987 didn't yield, but asciilifeform did eventually pop the thing.
phf: asciilifeform: i actually remember that one, but you'll have to trust me that my assumption on reading this was that you had debugging scaffolding in order to observe its operation, because reading layers of bolix<-alpha<-x86 code is not particularly enlightening. you've since acquired the source and clearly opted for electron microscope route.
asciilifeform: phf: thus far i cannot comment on your methods, given that they do not apparently include publishing anyffing bolix-related openly.
phf: i don't know when i've learned about the source, it's on public github, i don't know if i've even seen you mention your snap4 work, or at which point i've forgotten it.
phf: asciilifeform: ok, you can't possibly fucking hold this against me. that was your private project, that you never communicated in the logs.
asciilifeform: but i'd like to see some of the promised dirt..
asciilifeform: i dun have anyffing against phf , as such. i even forgave him the ~year of life i burned on cutting 'snap4' apart in 'ida' while phf knew where the sores was.
phf: asciilifeform: you're reading selectively. _i_ was expecting to see dirt yr+ ago, there was none. it was totally a waste of work
phf: asciilifeform: because presumably we both can discriminate things, otherwise what is the point of my lordship?
asciilifeform: for all you know, some rubbish dks scribbled on a napkin in 1991 is the key.
asciilifeform: cuz from earlier line i am forming the impression that not
asciilifeform: and i'd like to answer the larger q of whether phf even wants to see asciilifeform's thrust succeed.
phf: asciilifeform: there's this general position that what you're doing, you're doing to get yoursefl a running bolix clone, where's i'm just fucking around, which is bullshit. i'm doing the same thing, towards the same goals. it's not presently clear who's more successful. you basically want me to unilaterally fuck up my entire operation, because ~last week~ you bought a macivory.
asciilifeform: if not next year, then after.
asciilifeform: nao, if phf thinks that asciilifeform cracking the case ~at all~ will 'unmask' phf's informant, this is a problem. chiefly for phf's informant, because i ~will~ rape bolix, whether anyone helps or not
asciilifeform: i'm at the point in the affair where i got specific physical q's , the answers to which will enable nondestructive probing of the handful of samples i got.
asciilifeform can and has gone through 10,000 pgs of crapola in 1 weekend in the past.
asciilifeform: who will quickly find what, if any, of it relates to the specific q's asciilifeform is trying to answer.
phf: asciilifeform: i don't know what you're proposing, because you haven't proposed anything. i've proposed that i go through the dump, find all the relevant bits to your project, and communicate them to you. this is apparently unacceptable
mircea_popescu: i don't even care, past the (i'd have thought obvious) point whereby specific lines of argument simply can't be brought.
asciilifeform: if phf asks 'ok, but dun post the yellowdotted jpegs' i won't
mircea_popescu: im in no hurry either.
asciilifeform: phf: i aint in particular hurry ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , who wants to emphasize the imho important larger point ). i won't even have time to properly touch the thing until finished ffa. but plz consider what i suggested today.
phf: on it?" is this not fucking contradictory. and now i'm basically in a position, where from your demands and impatience i'm presented with a choice "either do this or you're out"
phf: asciilifeform: when i communicated with you, in private, about the dump in the past, your response was essentially "i'm not making any promises, i'm going to dump the whole thing on the internet", i've attempted to communicate to you that further value can be extracted from that relationship, if you're patient. your reaction to that was to start talking about whisperers etc. and then you come back with "i wonder how you got your hands
asciilifeform: i do not know if phf's treasure chest could've spared me sending for the whole box, but it's conceivable
asciilifeform: phf: and wasn't 'week ago', but year + 3mo ago, when i took delivery of the 2 raw ivories.
asciilifeform: phf: i aint proposing to put the thing on ftp as-is.
phf: i took saeculum promises specifically to assist with republican work. i think that dumping this dump as is is short sighted, because the dump by weight is garbage, and will trivially identify all involved. i want to at least evaluate what's in it that can be of assistance to asciilifeform, an identification that became necessary only a week ago.
asciilifeform: for what didja even scan the docs , if 'can never use this for anything' ?
asciilifeform: phf: i for one have nfi how being in the position of schneier, sitting on the snowden stash, dun bother you any
asciilifeform: ( there was another fella in the l0gz, for instance, not long ago, who sent in patches )
asciilifeform: phf won't even be the 1st or only informant.
asciilifeform: errything i need is theoretically already in that beige box on the dissection table. if i get same thing from 'anon informant', will make affair go faster, to same output.
phf: i don't know how you missed my previous sentence, none of these people have "the dump", because there's no dump outside of the work i did.
asciilifeform: or reti, or 1 of the tape hoarder idjits.
phf: well, because i did all the manual work to scan the physical papers, there's litereally three people who have this dump
phf: asciilifeform: well not literally, but in this case the source will be trivially identifiable
asciilifeform: and i dun hold it against mircea_popescu , then or nao, it's a talent, this , holding folx to account re their 'i'ma X'.
asciilifeform: phf: we currently have FG not the least bit because in '16, mircea_popescu said to asciilifeform 'you are wasting my time, where is product' so asciilifeform took little vacation and , magic!, there it was. i dun regret this. consider maybe also vacation ?
asciilifeform: ( and 99% of the case, is proving the case, ergo why i did not try an' ask mircea_popescu to buy box, cut it himself, etc )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 15:12 mircea_popescu: to write about divinity interestingly, one needs to be aware of a ~shitload~ more stuff than is available at oklahoma public library, is the thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to expand on the 'why even do this' item, from asciilifeform's pov it's entirely a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881419 case
mircea_popescu: as it did bar that scmuck ; so will it bar all in the future.
mircea_popescu: the very substance of http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ is ~specifically~ DO NOT MAKE saeculum promises, it will bar you from republican life.
mircea_popescu: any obligation outside the republic is invalid ; any obligation that conflicts with republican work is anti-republic. this is some discovery ?
phf: the last sentence above is a question
phf: mircea_popescu: so the principle is that any obligation outside of the republic is not only invalid, but actually anti republic? there can be no compromise on this point.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 19:15 mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism.
asciilifeform: phf: even material that doesn't ~directly~ relate to subj, can be of use, e.g. what they burned PALs with, etc
mircea_popescu: and consequently, rather than discover this fundamental truth later, discover it now, and save your own time/
mircea_popescu: the discussion here revolves around your attempt to introduce some kind of superior consideration, and im telling you neatly that if you think in this way there is not now nor will ever be in the future a place for you here.
mircea_popescu: the discussion here in no way revolves the value, extant imagined or presumed of some idiots caches.
phf: asciilifeform: there was no concrete goal until last week, when you decided to buy a macivory
mircea_popescu: phf i expect the accumulated value of the whole pile of "secrets" is about 0. and i further expect the entire value of the whole bolix stack neatly approximates the value of my stock of pogos.
asciilifeform: phf: if dump weighs TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense to pgp to asciilifeform . i'ma not post the raw docs and their yellowdots.
phf: my approach to this is to find compromise, i've volunteered all the information i've volunteered so far. i'm making a point that whatever asciilifeform might need for his work i can communicate to him. is this approach not acceptable? it seems that i'm just being pressured into dumping a dump of unknown quality and state, that might or might not help
asciilifeform: i put in the table stakes, bought the box. nao logically 'hey l1 people, got anyffing i oughta know?'
asciilifeform: phf: iirc you 1st mentioned these goodies 1y + month ago...
asciilifeform: phf: if you have 'friend stuck behind nazi lines will lose head if it comes out that he gave me docs', there are ways to work around this.
mircea_popescu: it makes exactly zero difference what peculiar form of "fatherinlaw/god/whatever" the x takes.
asciilifeform: phf: i'd much rather do this wurk ~with~ phf, than without. could make coupla yrs of diff. but gotta understand what 'with' constitutes.
mircea_popescu: you are trusted for as long as you behave in the trustworthy manner.
mircea_popescu: it therefore can not be the case that you can be uniquely identified as responsible for the leak.
mircea_popescu: it can not be the case that you are the only one holding whatever useles, worthless moth ridden crapola.
mircea_popescu: phf the yellow dots is specifically a reference to http://qntra.net/2017/06/reality-winner-arrested-for-leaking-to-omidyar-and-greenwalds-fake-qntra/
asciilifeform: phf: also feel free to pgp to asciilifeform , i dun even mind to promise that strictly the clone will end up on the net.
phf: asciilifeform: no, none of the documents i have can end up on the internet in their current form
asciilifeform: phf: so what was it, you promised 'i'ma only leak the bits re ivory' ?
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 18:26 asciilifeform: phf i'm pretty curious how you got the fella to spill.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881853 << i was the only person who showed up to do dull, manual job, when there was a need for it. i can't leak it because i promised not to. there will be no consequences for me, but i made a promise to multiple people, for whom there might be consequences, and it's not my place to evaluate whether that's true or not. that said that doesn't mean that i can't use knowledge this way acquired to help
asciilifeform: ( the crt, strangely, was great, and peculiarly un-1980s-flavoured, despite 'soviet' appearance when switched off -- http://www.loper-os.org/?p=52 << they had the glass custom-blown and thing actually displayed razor-sharp 1024x768
asciilifeform: re 'carnality of non-emulated', dark seekrit re http://www.loper-os.org/?p=51 -- asciilifeform , turned out, did not actually like the classic bolix kbd/mouse. in particular it was made before arrow keys invented...
mircea_popescu: people born in prehistory don't have access to the future.
mircea_popescu: whether the "spurious" set bits are shameful or on the contrary, soothing, depends i suppose on the mental age of the observer.
mircea_popescu: i suppose older writers told it in terms of "the shame", "l'embarass". obects that exist have to populate the whole array ; whereas objects that do not exist get away with natural-language sparse existence
asciilifeform: the u.s. airplane museum actually has a nifty arcade, with the type of flight sim where one straps in and physically turns upside-down, etc
mircea_popescu: there's a certain carnality of existence. unlike the ghoistly quality of emulation, imagination, etc.
mircea_popescu: but the 3k year old crypto is still interesting
asciilifeform: there aren't, afaik, that many folx who go to arcades nao, other than from nostalgia for childhood
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actual mechanical pinballtrons are rare nao, the last maker closed doors ~decade ago iirc
asciilifeform: they do this biz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, the arcade machine people .
mircea_popescu: i suspect "we can fix your pals" would be mega business. if, of course, bolix prices weren't utter bs, and if, of course, anyone wanted them ~for an actual purpose~. neither of which...
asciilifeform: if they turn out to be readable, i'ma simply copy'em all and emplace the copies instead of the orig, which are already approaching their rated theoretical life.
asciilifeform not tried yet, has chinese PAL burner but not yet tested with parts of the specific types found in the box, and has sent for typical period PALs from chinese, will 1st test with ~these~ prior to pulling the precious unobtainium
asciilifeform: in other archaeologies, https://archive.is/vOHNY#selection-305.153-305.267 suggests that stock bolix PALs are readable.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 22:40 asciilifeform: phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner.
asciilifeform: aaand i'm still quite curious what the answer to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881616 !
asciilifeform: some of the PALs can prolly also be inferred logically, half of'em are clearly address decoders for the ram
asciilifeform: phf i'm pretty curious how you got the fella to spill.
asciilifeform: re dks, it wouldn't strongly surprise asciilifeform to learn that d00d finally read the l0gz, and got wind of what asciilifeform wants the PALs for, and now 'silent like partizan'
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:44 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf turns out i was wrong re the rom, the rom-shaped object is actually a 1980s 'programmable event timer' thingie, am2971adc
asciilifeform: ( by all indications , that thing substituted for the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875841 item on earlier 'ivories' )
asciilifeform: and i have nfi currently how to even approach the antifuse 'actel a1010a', antifuses aint even visible under electron micro. prolly will have to be inferred logically.
asciilifeform: while on subj of bolix : no reply so far to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881357 , it loox like they will have to be reversed the hard,long,painful way
mircea_popescu: if there's anything in the world more insulting than the passage of time i can scarcely imagine what the fuck it'd be. but i suspect i know how moses feels every time danielpbarron quotes the bible : exactly how i feel every time one of these inconsequential schmucklettes discuss "the concept of bdsm".
mircea_popescu: now these fucktards go about with a unified view of "the thing specifically declared as unifiable".
mircea_popescu: pro tip : this thing exists specifically as an umbrela term of irreducible reality. it was made as such and deliberately, by people from the 70s.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i give you "the concept of bdsm" : http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pK5Ax/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/19/a-week-in-tmsr-26-november-2-december-2018/#selection-105.764-105.817 << actually, a major bomb was dropped there, wherein long standing trb-immunity was revoked.
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE IT COULD BE EITHER WAY
diana_coman: cool then!
Mocky: just read the summary, got a chuckle. 'tis tru!
asciilifeform: it's sorta like those old women with 100 cats, you can already tell that the beasts are foretasting what her face will taste like
mircea_popescu: kinda why inheritance is such a suspect device in the first place.
mircea_popescu: yes well. if actuarial science teaches anyhing, it's that it is likely the dullest son who inherits.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean "the broader clitler" as in literal cockroaches and assorted vermin ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ie, do they object money was flowing into trump or that it was flowing out of trump ? << US folks set these things up and set the to keep warm. If the kids don't fuck him at the end of life thing gets filled and kid gets to draw a salary and "philanderanthropist" job title on their CV
asciilifeform: ( tho supposedly the muppet is in the shop gettin' tyre patches, and will be re-used somehow in next cycle )
mircea_popescu: except she was a pretty smart white girl, rather than an ugly stupid black girl.
asciilifeform: diff is that when trump dies, clitler will collect the 11. whereas usg's 9000 owed needs martians to land to collect.
mircea_popescu: he can make more selling the copper wiring.
mircea_popescu: nfi, i don't watch this so closely. but on the strength of data presented...
mircea_popescu: "the price on 5th avenue of such a suitcase (or a similar one, as close as could be found) new is a little more than 1.7 dubaloos. thereforee..."
mircea_popescu: yes, that's my reading. "a suitcase claimed to have carried trump's clothes at so point no closer than two years ago, having been encountered by a hobolice officer, was now officially transferred into state coffers".
mircea_popescu: sometimes, you open a drawer and dscover rats ate some paper. not commonly at your residence, but you're only one and there's many residences. and warehouses. and so on.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'so they stole empty suitcase, whatevers' ?
mircea_popescu: people with money make these ~regular basis. sorta how you buy sheets of paper.
asciilifeform: or that there aint an 'actual' ? which
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so hypothesis then is that it was ablative coating on rocket of actual trumpfoundation?
mircea_popescu: wanna go treasure hunting through the streets of brooklyn, looking for the missing billion ?
mircea_popescu: i expect there's in excess of a million "dormant", ie, entirely abandoned such legal entities in the state of new york. i further expect their paper assets exceed a billion.
mircea_popescu: ie, rather than your interpretation above, i see it as a "in 2016, trump won election, 5979th item on his agenda was how apparently state of new york decided to "investigate" some foundation. he shook his hand and moved on, two years later the morons finally got something to flash in media, and precisely nothing else, even locating where the chairs are anymore is impossible)
mircea_popescu: (i suspecvt 2016 on the basis of "most recent", otherwise "it's 2017 tax return", "its last year's tax return" etc.)
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:51 asciilifeform: ( sorta how you see sentences for '10kg of lsd', which has never existed and probably will never exist on planet earth; they weigh whatever reagents, incl water )
asciilifeform: from other heathendom prattle, even smaller figure, e.g. cnn's 'The foundation's most recent tax return listed its net assets at slightly more than $1.7 million.'
mircea_popescu: where's that log link of yours re the weighing of contraband ? "this car had roach in dash so we captured car's weight of marijuana" ?
mircea_popescu: well then that's no fort.
mircea_popescu: seems to me a rather pompous case of "oh, you used this room to funnel moneys to charities dedicated to hanging fat old black women rather than feeding hobos ? WE TAKE THE CHAIRS!!!"
mircea_popescu: was there any actual money at stake ?
asciilifeform: seen from asciilifeform's lens, episode is part of the larger 'kick dog till it bites, then shoot it' campaign of pantsuit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they object that he ( like other moneyed folx , and exactly like clitler et al ) tried to create tax fort for his heirs. nao heirs will get 0, and pantsuit 100%.
mircea_popescu: ie, do they object money was flowing into trump or that it was flowing out of trump ?
mircea_popescu: "nd resulted in the misuse of charitable assets for the benefit of Donald J. Trump ("Mr. ("Trump") Trump" and his personal, political and/or business interests. In sum, the Investigation revealed that the Foundation was little more than a checkbook for payments to not-for-profits from Mr. Trump or the Trump Organization." << i don't get it... so was it used for his benefit or at his cost ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: key lolgem being 'Directing the Foundation to cooperate with the Attorney General in the distribution of any remaining assets to qualified charitable entities...'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881688 << and here I thought a large part of the republic was to reveal one's inner idjit. worked for trinque.
mircea_popescu: as general compression theory predicts, it is ~extremely hard to summarize~.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman welcome to the horror of all time : a lot of shit to summarize, specifically driven by and existing specifically because previous efforts at summarizing.
diana_coman: I'm sure it can also fully and without problems "summarize" the twitter twatter
mircea_popescu: (i will propose go "with a general adversary", glory-hole go so to speak, is about on the complexity level of log summarizing, +- constant)
diana_coman: I can also add that doing those summaries is useful in cementing my previous idea that they really have to be done manually - there's no way to link the various bits and pieces correctly without actually understanding the content; even with pointers from one line to another, even with some set of terms and definitions , it would still likely fail
mircea_popescu: the fundamental difference between my harem, which is fun, and army service, which is and can be anything but fun, is that the girls ~don't~ know what all there is, bad or good, nor how to say it. not everything's a list, not everything's a procedure, the scary butts its head in almost daily. but what can you do.
mircea_popescu: also why bureaucratic language becomes such a laughingstock (aka, "limba de lemn") the ~better~ it gets : it takes this devil's hand, and makes the trade, accepts narrower domain for better specificity.
mircea_popescu: it is definitely there. but then again you can't, practically, neither emit orally a Titem array nor forbid people to think of large arrays.
asciilifeform just this morning finished the 'space' proof of 14b, also grappled with 'meaning imposed by unsaid'
mircea_popescu: this sometimes conflicts with the decoding process.
mircea_popescu: natural language, however, ablates the trees for "convenience" so to speak, ie, uses commonly what's known in computing as sparse trees.
mircea_popescu: specifically : all communication relies on trees ; the presence, the order, ~and absence~ are all meaningful, and meaning is extracted from communication by adding and removing from a mind-held space of possibilities according to what is said, in what order it is said, ~and what is not said~. because certain absences, just as certain ordering, deny certain possible meanings just as well as if they were denied explicitly.