a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 21:43 mircea_popescu: if you think about it, no other possible solution than "we weren't defeated by events, we merely withdrew into imagination"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882615 << the ameritards 'retreated into imagination' when they gave up industry. it aint precisely news.
BingoBoingo: Last year this time a 100 peso note was roughly similar to a 4 USD bill. Now the same 100 peso note has almost fallen to be a 3 USD bill.
BingoBoingo going to primarly be consuming Lechón as the dietary protein while it's in season. Shit's running ~200-300 per kilo.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 21:58 mircea_popescu: simply defund the entire thing. not like it does anything useful ~for trump~. 100% janissary corps.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882622 << it's exactly janissary corps. ( and so i suppose we'll know that he tried if his head ends up 'defunded' like the last d00d's )
asciilifeform: ( tried the 'premium grades', it's == crapola but for idjits, like most ameri-'premium' materiel )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 21:56 mircea_popescu: in other minutia, i just took possession of ~custom made house slippers~. because you can't fucking buy leather slippers anymore for the love of fuck, "plastic should be enough for everyone".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882620 << funnily enuff, brother had slippers from su, lasted ~decade; whereas today i buy visually-identical chinesium that's good for ~6mo. tops
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882613 << soon as bernanketron runs outta green ink -- then yes
BingoBoingo: Which... why not conspiracy theory a junta of county sheriffs
BingoBoingo: The popular MAGA-redditista theory appears to be Trump playing to take intelligence community shit to give to Immigration and Customs Enforcement as new A-team
BingoBoingo: Well, good chunk of CIA.DEA.NSA.FBI revenue is their own drug trafficking operations (though apparently the Chinese are now beating them in the opiates market)
mircea_popescu: simply defund the entire thing. not like it does anything useful ~for trump~. 100% janissary corps.
mircea_popescu: by "cia" i mean 100% of government-sponsored "intelligence community", including all "agencies" and the respective subreddits.
mircea_popescu: in other minutia, i just took possession of ~custom made house slippers~. because you can't fucking buy leather slippers anymore for the love of fuck, "plastic should be enough for everyone".
mircea_popescu: since you speak of nixon (whose principal problem upon assuming office for the first time was 'how to limit influence of pantsuits over at cia')
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 19:50 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: d00d won't even use the few buttons that still connected to anyffing. (e.g. could've easily pardoned those derps of his that the pantsuits recently jailed )
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, no other possible solution than "we weren't defeated by events, we merely withdrew into imagination"
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way left to go, to these ~irrelevant~ old men with their imaginarily valuable bolix stack : they're cordially invited to withdraw into eternal slumber, like fucking moses. in three to five thousand years some virgin in rural bumfuck somewhere can quote to us "what the truth REALLY WAS 'according to the democratic party'".
asciilifeform: but instead, 'biz as usual', no tanks on street, only the garbage truck (which is late again..)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if sad old man had even 1 squad of actual loyal men, there's be tanks bulldozing harvard and rape camps for the http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards etc
asciilifeform: even the gassed jews, to this day infamous for boarding the trains 'orderly', nailed moar germans than this.
asciilifeform: cattle dun revolt, and castrated cattle dun even stampede. during obummer reign, police pushed, what, 10mil ameri-sads out of 'their' houses, which left to rot; and at cost of what, 1, 2 dead sheriffs ?
asciilifeform: so stuck pushing the ones that make various arcade noises.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'his' judges aint even his in any particular sense. ( observe that he had to appoint 'respectable' derps, rather than e.g. his own children or whatever loyals , to court )
asciilifeform: there's 0 on paper to keep him from 'you can have all the freisler trials you like, i'ma pardon erryone'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: d00d won't even use the few buttons that still connected to anyffing. (e.g. could've easily pardoned those derps of his that the pantsuits recently jailed )
BingoBoingo: ^ Well, the clock is ticking
trinque: chairman orange has already said "half the country will revolt" if dethroned. wouldn't mind to see what if, not that I'm holding my breath.
asciilifeform: hey it's how they dethroned nixon. ( the unforgivable 'crime' was not the burglar derpery, but withdrawal from vietnam )
trinque: they need to start rumbling about impeachment next, get him properly incensed.
trinque: threatening the longest government shutdown ever, what a guy.
asciilifeform: ( not even in the ridiculously 100bux/copy oxford press 'finite precision number systems and arithmetic' backbreaker for chip maker folx )
asciilifeform: it's funny, or perhaps only to asciilifeform , that one can buy a kilometre of dead tree, in multiple langs, re 'crypto', and not find this illustration therein.
asciilifeform: ^ in other noose.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly in the orig 'bitcoin corrupts'(tm) thread ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, original portion of the way sword cuts thing seems much older than 2018.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-15 14:52 mircea_popescu: incidentally, since we're doing lost arts, where the fuck did i state the pantsuit's problem of integration (ie, that pantsuitism doesn't stand a chance in the republic because the republic integrates it) in the terminology that "this sword cuts for them a portion of the way and for us the whole way" ? ie, that they're always dependent on state, whatever shit they come up with gotta be carefully ~stopped~ on various slippery
asciilifeform: intel did 'even better', by rolling the field back to ~before time of babbage~, who, recall, managed to eat ~20% of brit empire budget simply on promise of baking ~log table~ without eggogs ( and , arguably in a kind of 19th c. bolix affair, succeeded but overran cost to death )
asciilifeform: that's what peddling 'just as good as actual cheese' does, in the end -- sets the table for 'hey i have a just-as-just-as-good , with flashier gui and endorsement from ibm' etc.
asciilifeform: from my pov it's hilariously funny, that rms et al ~set the table~ for microshit.
asciilifeform: ( and in same interval went from aston-martin to toyota price. and could've proceeded to motorcycle price if the co were run by smart folx.)
asciilifeform: lm was 'expensive' cuz hand-sewn from 74xxx. but just 4 yrs after rms went off to derp with unix, thing fit on single crystal, just like i386, it's the item in asciilifeform's vivisection table in fact.
asciilifeform: ( certainly not the 2 ~billion~ intel crapola put for tlb cache so that microshit can be slightly less molasses )
asciilifeform: and, like mircea_popescu , i also dun buy the excuse that 'lispm was expensive, i HAD to write kraft cheese for cheap micros'
mircea_popescu: here is sound "just like rms", but why ? cuz where's the real one keks.
mircea_popescu: i can absolutely see the angle.
asciilifeform: ( on actual lispm, in working condition, there was ~no such thing as 'crash' )
asciilifeform: and , not unrelatedly, asciilifeform sees the great crime of rms , to specifically be his pushing of 'kraft cheese' emacs + toolchains as 'just as good as real thing', witness e.g. https://archive.is/ws2qk#selection-5591.110-5591.271
asciilifeform: for instance, asciilifeform has '9000' processes on this and other boxen, where uses 'screen+bash+etc for tards' even though theoretically 'could emacs' ( see also e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-03#1869024 ) , because they ~must not crash~ and emacs is unthreaded and hosable
a111: Logged on 2018-11-03 00:16 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-02#1869016 << this is prolly a neato item but (to the possible surprise of some people) asciilifeform doesn't 'live in emacs' in the sense of using it for things that ain't files-on-disk editing
asciilifeform: in point of fact there are serious design flaws in emacs that make dog/flea separation extremely difficult. but iirc we already had that thread not long ago.
mircea_popescu: in other vaguely related line, person recently pointed out "you know, your screen+vi&bash combo is almost like emacs for retards", to much private merriment.
mircea_popescu: or not see, either way, i'm just saying, "no, it's not that i spit because i do not use ; but vice versa".
asciilifeform: some people dunlike dogs, for instance, and refer to'em as armored personnel carriers for fleas. in this case so happens that i like dog. so interested in whether mircea_popescu was going from a 'dogs, who needs'em' angle or spotted flea in particular.
mircea_popescu: you asked me if i spit on things merely because i do not use them ; i explained teh reasoning thereof. i dun expect you to ~do~ something as a result of this, besides i guess saying "oh, i see what your issue is"
asciilifeform: i can't think of any reason to tolerate. but i also dun have a from-the-ground replacement for emacs per se.
asciilifeform: ( and the thing, as detailed at length in prev threads, is groaning under the weight of actual wreckers, who poettering-'obsoleted' the working, useful plugins and replaced with ruby, etc 'kraft cheese', e.g.,
mircea_popescu: dood didn't "accidentally omit" the string "idiot" in "check out this moron, spits out pdfs". it was omitted for reasons that have something to do with what orgmode fundamentally is.
asciilifeform: i suppose for certain kinds of people, 'hammer' is what you use to smash own thumb. for some other kinds, heads. but as far as i'm concerned it's for nails.
mircea_popescu: "oh mp, just because orgmode evidently made by a certain kind of idiots to support their specific idiocy doesn't mean anything ; and also, when the necessary fruits of that labour of love start pdf-ing their way to the surface, that's just coincidental 3rd party linkage". how far ?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of wikipedia : "Almost orthogonally, Org-mode has functionalities aimed at executing code in various external languages ; these functionalities form org-babel, "A Multi-Language Computing Environment for Literate Programming and Reproducible Research."
asciilifeform: afaik the 'golf clubs' people are 100% using actual microshit spreadshit, not emacses.
mircea_popescu: which dust is this then ?
mircea_popescu: this was the wikipedia golden age, and it left us with "social sciences" and "earth sciences" and code of conducts and so on.
asciilifeform: there's euglena in the water, yes. but in this case mircea_popescu is seeing dust on microscope lens.
mircea_popescu: whether you're aware of this or not : 2000s era standards of usgtronic "science" had decayed to the point where, running some random virus off the internet was deemed as "independent verification". literally this, "i downloaded a bunch of numbers and a vbasic script off a website, it ran on my machine to the same result as it ran on publisher's machine, THEREFORE ALLEGED EXPERIMENT HAS BEEN INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED"
mircea_popescu: thereby verified something.
mircea_popescu: not "piles of shit left by others". specifically, i pompously declare myself "literate programatician", what this does is, vbasic autorun ; i pompously declare myself "respectable scientificist", what this does is, i download an excel script, watch its vbasic reproduce the same errors of http://trilema.com/2013/why-mpex-is-better-than-fiat-institutions-part-349085-we-dont-use-excel/#selection-143.0-153.147 and declare i have
asciilifeform: i dun even ~like~ or use 'orgmode'. but must dispute the 'folx who write elisp proggies are destructive zombies and class enemy' blanket.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~that~ is good % of what passes for tooling errywhere. i.e. mechanisms to clean up piles of shit left by others.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you follow this, but the way through which "golf club pattern" idiocy existed is exactly this sort of "automation" : i """scientist""" downloaded an excel from the internet and it spat out in my cell what the website said it spits so therefore EXPERIMENT VERIFIED
mircea_popescu: "reproducible research", do you know what they actually mean by ~that~ term hijack ?
mircea_popescu: when ~i~ quote from an idiotic third party, you know this is going down, by the presence of the word idiot in there.
mircea_popescu: is it you protest the exact flavour of anathema ("oh mp, it's not usg.corporate idiocy, it's usg.academia idiocy" ?) or what exactly.
mircea_popescu: i can't discern what argument you're brining in there.
asciilifeform: as for the quoted d00d, who '.org -> .tex -> .pdf', dollars to doughnuts he's an academic and chained to that oar.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw asciilifeform tried 'orgmode' at length, decade ago, but didn't like, found that it does ~90% of what i needed, and the remaining 10% felt like same amt of work as simply using plain txt files + grep entirely. )
asciilifeform: loox like he was quoting some rando's use case. himself, he uses it to write .txt for the blog.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where did the orgmode d00d discuss pdfism ?
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, while it can be used that way, that's not the way i use it". whopee.
mircea_popescu: "literate programming" MY FOOT! that piece of shit is the ~exact antithesis~ of literate programming, it's illiterate excel-ing. and i do not for a second believe that the "misnomer" is accidental -- it's exactly usg-deliberate. nor do i think the mention on the original dork's blog is accidental.
mircea_popescu: nfi what there's to like about orgmode, and especially it's not clear how you distinguish it from "excel vbasic for emacs"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 14:15 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882432 << mircea_popescu believes orgmode is ~stupid~, which carries no further import than this, and mircea_popescu does not begrudge the users their usage. he however also notices that what it LEADS to is fucking anathema ; because if indeed orgmode is in your mind a stepping stone from emacs to pdf, then indeed orgmode is exactly as stupid as i fucking thought it was.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 15:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
mircea_popescu: they know it works (as it evidently does, phf wasn't even born there i have to point out to him that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882391 ) and so they want every last indian in some remote hunting lodge somewhere to have at least one blanket.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 23:29 Mocky: these jobs requiring 'clearanced' is actually quite handy, easy filter criteria
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's a ~reason~ for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875908 ; that reason is ~RAISING AWARENESS~.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we know the same thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as fucking if anyone reading the logs is anything but that one's immediate obligation.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i happen to know that the 'mit tyranny' consisted of standard patent agreement. which some folx 'ohnoezed' and 'preemptively' bowed over, and others -- simply raped, and laughed all the way to bank.
mircea_popescu: much like the usg hook in campus intimate relationships is "rape", (also as the usg earworm, has ~nothing to do with rape in any sense)
asciilifeform: and observe that asciilifeform is somehow able to discuss this point without 'ohnoez, but what if x,y,z read the log!'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 22:51 mircea_popescu: phf this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band togetgher and b) control, deliberately, the product.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-14 23:22 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, mit is the owner of ~nothing.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:50 mircea_popescu: fact of the matter, for ~these reasons~ i don't even believe mit told original symbolics&co fucktards to be fucktards.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end, the important usg hook in social process among the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877467 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-14#1813416 / http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641131 crowd of morons is -- "the secrecy", as a usg earworm.
asciilifeform: it's 1 thing if yer stierlitz and sign whatever 'seekrecy agreements' with the reich so as to then have what to radio back to stalin, laughing all the way. it's quite another if yer actually infected and start taking the 'promises' to reich seriously.
asciilifeform: ( and even if ~won't eat bone~ -- in asciilifeform's eyes, it is far better to take bloody irons apart ion by ion for 20yrs than to get commented sores at the cost of selling soul )
asciilifeform: i realize this aint news to mircea_popescu , but gotta put in the l0gz for all the folx who aint 10,000 y.o. olympians
mircea_popescu: i never witnessed this phenomenon where the same young hussy giving some age-peer a hard time puts out unasked as soon as some gypo shows up.
asciilifeform: old folx want to 'feel relevant'. if you throw'em this bone by preemptively 'promising to seekrit', they'll eat it up. if you throw different bone, will also eat.
BingoBoingo: Masonic oaths don't create hitlers. They do worse. They create oxford boys playing soggy biscuits while bucket crabbing.
asciilifeform: it's an exact replay of the alchemists.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 14:53 mircea_popescu: it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons.
asciilifeform: the sinners in the story aren't even dks et al, but the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882442 folx, the 'masonic oaths' they swear are largely ~to each other~, creating a hitler out of vacuum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to add moar weird to the story, last night dks actually answered, with 'i'ma dig for some PAL stuff, will write back after newyear'. old man simply moves slowly. ( and notice that i did not have to swear masonic oath to him !111 )
mircea_popescu: "the similarity is that a) you want it and b) it's worthless". "oh!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one thing that blows my mind is the compartimentalization. "you either own the computer or else work for the usg" is somehow self-evident ; "you either own the woman or else work for the usg" is magically not, because "it was not clear to me dks was the woman in our relationship, what is the similarity between the dangly-bait cunt in each case ?!?!?!"
mircea_popescu: it's not some fucking joke, which is why it's funny. it's why these are always funny.
mircea_popescu: now where's the link to that story about the man who lent some money and ends by wondering whether he keeps going back to "get his money back", fuck the guy's wife or take up the ass ?
asciilifeform: the ancients warned re 'serving two masters', neh.
mircea_popescu: which is the deep problem with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881912 : you want to be a lord within the walls but play the erastes outside. it's ~not easy~, yes women can do it remarkably well, but http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882319
mircea_popescu: either you own the woman, or else you're just there to anally please her owner. that's the outlay, there's nothing else there.
mircea_popescu: and whether you're both 16 and i'm her father-owner rather than her master-owner ALSO MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS.
mircea_popescu: if i have a woman going out who pretends to put out so that i walk in on you, throw a fit and fuck you in the ass -- whether i show up to actually do it or not MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO YOUR STATUS. you're still my cock rag.
mircea_popescu: and besides, and just as importantly : the boy who puppyloves some girl ~is in no way different ; IN NO WAY DIFFERENT~ from the erastes who "loves" some man's kiddy bait whore.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:59 asciilifeform: phf: observe, asciilifeform's approach to breaking 'seekrets' is not entirely ineffective. and yes it is 'unfriendly', in particular to folx keeping the seekritz. which by extension is ~anyone~ who knows and aint saying.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was the basic thrust behind asciilifeform's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882088 jumper setting.
mircea_popescu: there's no "progression". the place for the "well brought up" daugthers of the middle class is the furnace, naught else.
mircea_popescu: moreover, no amount of buying sodas & popcorn for miss princess rottencrotchstein two doors down so you fight her over her tits in the darkness of the cinema hall is EVER going to produce a useful slavegirl.
mircea_popescu: it is a ~fact~ that the empire only perpetuates through the ~willing~ and ~deliberate~ sin of republicans, who ~elect~ to feed the morons.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:21 mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend to ever start ; i hold no grudges for those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of the species~ survived to the present day by ~exploting~ this behaviour of yours, yes ?
mircea_popescu: on fifth (and i guess final) re-read, it occurs to me the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882248 <-> http://trilema.com/2012/the-imbecilitarians/#selection-223.252-223.669 link really should be made explicit.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 06:30 mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882427 << most damning sin of the 'irreal' fella is.. failing to come up with a unique handle. the shithub by that name has 0 to do with the linked blog, it's fulla microshit and 0 emacsism
a111: Logged on 2018-12-21 06:29 mircea_popescu: http://irreal.org/blog/ << for the lulz files. incidentally, when i think "emacs user" i think of this moron, "omg you guys .org -> .tex -> .pdf is a great work-flow for sharing information. It's like #inception though - first #emacs became my OS and now everything I create in Emacs is becoming an #Orgmode file. First I started doing all my writing in Emacs (and later, of course, as much of everything else as I could) and the
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 16:19 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882350 << ty sir. How about this Saturday for the swap? I'll take lobbesbot's RSS-o-tron offline that day and you can have feedbot join #eulora
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882413 <-- sounds good. I'll be online starting about 12PM UTC until late, so give signal and I'll /join from the feedbot side
mircea_popescu: too lazy to dig up his github profile fulla amateur astronomy, "omg guise did you know you could put fries on pizza and it would taste amazing" cooking recipes and assorted http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-31.0-31.271
mircea_popescu: It occurred to me that Org is like the Borg: it absorbs everything that gets near it. So laugh all you want but you will be assimilated." and reddit links.
mircea_popescu: http://irreal.org/blog/ << for the lulz files. incidentally, when i think "emacs user" i think of this moron, "omg you guys .org -> .tex -> .pdf is a great work-flow for sharing information. It's like #inception though - first #emacs became my OS and now everything I create in Emacs is becoming an #Orgmode file. First I started doing all my writing in Emacs (and later, of course, as much of everything else as I could) and the
feedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-drunken-explorer/ << Daniel P. Barron Bitcoin -- The drunken explorer
BingoBoingo: In other news, USG doesn't know how to do police raids. US police don't even bring the power and water companies with them as a matter of course.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882350 << ty sir. How about this Saturday for the swap? I'll take lobbesbot's RSS-o-tron offline that day and you can have feedbot join #eulora
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/der-spiegel-social-engineer-lauded-by-pantsuit-peers-and-misrepresenting-self-as-journalist-turns-out-to-have-been-prolific-fiction-writer-the-whole-time/ << Qntra -- Der Spiegel Social Engineer Lauded By Pantsuit Peers And Misrepresenting Self As Journalist Turns Out To Have Been Prolific Fiction Writer The Whole Time
mircea_popescu: and there's no sarcasm nor any subtext at all there. i'm not gonna tell you what to do with your women in general, but by the time what you're doing is driven by "what will wife's daddy think", you fucked up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am entirely not proposing any others ~have their mothers do~ anything specific, this or that. i am saying though, and plainly, that the sort of people whose mothers ~don't do what they tell them to~ это уже наполовину тетка.
BingoBoingo: Wall fits in the "againing" It's about all US has left in its ablity to act, but because it could be done Pantsuit desperately doesn't want it.
BingoBoingo: Hence trillions for F-35 which is only a danger to pilot is not controversial while ~5 billion for wall can't happen. The conflict MUST survive!
BingoBoingo: Nah, they thrive pretending to unresolvable conflict
mircea_popescu: this so evidently has nothing at all to do with "cold war" and "nuclear standoff", either.
mircea_popescu: somehow the idiots born during the latter half of the cold war decided the only way to "truly live" is in stasis, waiting for "unresolvable conflict".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has a lot more in his hand with the whole degenegeliation theory than readily realised : schmucks simply wanna "dilemma".
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the 90s romanian redditard magazine was called "dilema".
mircea_popescu: but instead, "совки vs. либерасты" hurr. they reconstructed "the dilemma", truly more meaningful than their lesser brethren's "coke vs pepsi", but to them ~just as meaningless~. the fucking point is that they ~want~ the "superiority" of http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#footnote_5_53722
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 14:08 mircea_popescu: it fucking isn't. i'm not kidding around : "you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to say ? how is this to work ?" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882295 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882301
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882358 << i can see the pov. otoh i dunno if it'd be great for snr if errybody's mothers tuned in
mircea_popescu: if you ever wondered about the deluge of crossdressers -- this is exactly it, i'm sure. in the immortal words of Weston Amsbury Liggett, "to beat everyone, including you, to the punch".
mircea_popescu: in other news, https://lurkmore.to/%D0%9A%D1%82%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B5_%D1%81_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8,_%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%82_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B2_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81 quite entertaining.
mircea_popescu: now they got options.
mircea_popescu: "oh, that was before the revolution."
asciilifeform: the 1s i actually look at , are on shelves, but i only got x metres of wall...
asciilifeform nostalgiates, 'i had that chem text! and these coupla other.. and even that encyclopaedia.. here it lies, sad, in a crate..'
mircea_popescu: and the femtard really dun like that.
mircea_popescu: which, incidentally, is why the sort of familiarity-breeds-all-i-need morons "don't get math". boys, especially engineertards, may think her legs carefully exposed so as to "resolve" the "hot but not hot enough for the girlgroup to say slut" "dilemma" pass ; but math never fucking passes, it's always a case of either the way or the highway.
mircea_popescu: yes, but at least the bookshelf looks like ~genuine books~ as opposed to "what hollywood thinks bookshelf looks like, they've never seen one", and the scribblings genuine physics as opposed to usual hurr durr the chickies of http://trilema.com/2018/lay-the-favorite/#selection-63.0-99.0 & http://trilema.com/2013/queers/#selection-83.0-83.148 fame
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 00:39 mircea_popescu: it takes stronger distorsion fields than i'm willing to run, the entertaining of this particular flavour of "but nevertheless"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 00:35 mircea_popescu: the only bag of lulz is the apparently endlessly recurent "this chick's a moron but ima indulge".
mircea_popescu: it fucking isn't. i'm not kidding around : "you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to say ? how is this to work ?" and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882295 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882301
mircea_popescu: i've not spoken to my mother since 2015. we were always very close, and i always liked her, enough so that three decades together didn't produce any cause of rupture. yet somehow, somewhere along the way she got the idea she has the option of venue, and it's up to her whether to be here or not.
mircea_popescu: i suppose there's one element i really should add to yesterday's proceedings. !!seen won't see it, but there's always http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-12#1198904
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 17:18 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881688 << and here I thought a large part of the republic was to reveal one's inner idjit. worked for trinque.
lobbesbot: spyked: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( imho it is not given to have 2 mircea_popescu's, the gods dun have enuff juice to plug'em in 2 at a time )
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu were wolverine, and i were mircea_popescu , there'd be, lol, same thread...
asciilifeform: the one where 'well if ~you~ were nasreddin and ~i~ were the king, then it'd be you standing in front of me' etc
mircea_popescu: it'd be a lot more relatable if you managed these things more like i do and less like a rabid pubescent wolverine.
asciilifeform: and i long ago gave up to expect any help from anybody in the matter. thrd where asciilifeform annoyed, is specifically re 'promised, promised, and 0 deliver', which i think is a situation mircea_popescu can relate to in own head
mircea_popescu: in short : you (correctly) insist because it hasn't been proven not to be ; and i am not particularly taken because it doesn't seem to have been. these are different measures.
asciilifeform: the 1 possible annoyance is that unlike old troy, these baubles dun last 4evah, e.g. rated life of eprom is ~40y
asciilifeform: next asciilifeform can convince next mircea_popescu that there was a troy in the dirt.
mircea_popescu: so then, thing can sit as it sits, i don't expect to persuade you (and i see the merit in "pre-republic, engineers===morons". i just don't see why this should be perpetuated, hence original "bag of lulz" comment.
asciilifeform: if i build ~case~, and then piano falls on me, that'll be enuff .
asciilifeform: sorta the thrust of asciilifeform's 11 yrs of archaeology -- to at least build case.
mircea_popescu: i think i have reason to suspect ~the people who made it~ are ~not more notable~ than say amir taaki.
mircea_popescu: ~if~ those people were smart enough to build the item you describe, the ~reasonable expectation~ is they'd have been smart enough to behave ~muchly variant~ from the ~actual way they behaved~ in fields much easier to observe.
mircea_popescu: at ~this particular juncture~ kiddie mp tunes out. because while he can't evaluate whether this gypo did or did not serve a "prince of sarajevo" he might or might not have heard of,
mircea_popescu: told the gathered round kiddies that he was all the while in service of the prince of sarajevo
asciilifeform: the 1 and only ~sane comp built to date.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which would be the "music" in this discussion ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun demand that the deaf understand, somehow, music. observe that mircea_popescu dun care for bolix, and i equally duncare for bondage&discipline, yet we still find what to constructively say to one another on occasion.
mircea_popescu: it takes stronger distorsion fields than i'm willing to run, the entertaining of this particular flavour of "but nevertheless"
mircea_popescu: today, "i'm talking to this guy, who is not smart enough to make a key upon reading the logs, but is smart enough to have interesting things ". traditionally-bolix, "these six morons that weren't apt to survive nevertheless made important tech". generally throughout, "i dunno how to resolve the tension between stupid and horny", from http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881534 to http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-26#770352 and 9k
mircea_popescu: the only bag of lulz is the apparently endlessly recurent "this chick's a moron but ima indulge".
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:49 phf: asciilifeform: fwiw i didn't ignore your point. i don't trust you with this stuff, and not because you're not trustworthy, but because you refuse to be discreet when asked to be. and again since this will be misconstrued, i'm not saying keep things secret, i was specifically asking you to _quitely_ use the products of my work.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882279 << this is 1 reason why the discussion is moar than about a piece of pot shard from archaeo-dig . does phf trust asciilifeform's oath as a lord ? if not, really he oughta update rating of asciilifeform ! and if yes, then i dun see why to dangle 'next week, next week' in front of asciilifeform for yr+ and never show any dirt, large, small.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:28 phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 22:53 mircea_popescu: yes, but it seemed to me as if you only had putative products. hence it'd appear there's a mismatch.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882282 << as i understand, on reread of thrd, there are no fewer than ~3~ bags of lulz : 1 is last yr's, which phf described as entirely useless in the end, and i'ma believe. another is this yr's, which hasn't been combed yet. and the third is the 'putative' of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882266 .
BingoBoingo: Well, fwiw there's a business around the corner which sells putas by the half hour and by the hour. They don't seem to be folding anytime soon even with their lack of signage.
mircea_popescu: anyway, your putative source of putative products that may one day do something or not could be upset or not for all the practical difference it makes.
mircea_popescu shrugs. "some things you might maybe one day get that he won't be able to use then anyway" seems an entirely over-ellaborate way to say "nothing".
phf: mircea_popescu: well, the use is of factual products, the request to be discreet is for putative products.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it seemed to me as if you only had putative products. hence it'd appear there's a mismatch.
mircea_popescu: are these products factual products or putative products ?
phf: asciilifeform: fwiw i didn't ignore your point. i don't trust you with this stuff, and not because you're not trustworthy, but because you refuse to be discreet when asked to be. and again since this will be misconstrued, i'm not saying keep things secret, i was specifically asking you to _quitely_ use the products of my work.
asciilifeform: and yes the dynamic is exactly film 'meangirls'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'girls' are 80-90s d00ds, fwiw. but i think i see what mircea_popescu meant
asciilifeform: i was told 11 yrs ago by dks that 'people are working on releasing the goods, it will take politics'. fast fwd 11y. 0 releases.
phf: i made that point clear also, i believe he will spoil my hunt. he explicitly told me he will! as far as love for quarry, i assume that this particular log can potentially reach the quarry in question, and i suspect his reaction is not going to be to join the republic.
phf: mircea_popescu: i've given a more nuanced answer over the logs. i've said that stuff from last year is junk, i'm not sure about stuff from this year, because i haven't inspected it yet. short of asciilifeform's periodic jabs, there was simply no reason to dedicate more time to it, considering that from a useful work perspective this is seen as a hobby, and i already have a backlog of things i actually need to be working on.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-10 16:50 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the strugatsky brothers, before sinking into senile delirium, had a tale 'roadside picnic', where unknown aliens land and leave buncha rubbish behind, and immediately depart. the rubbish includes 'usefuls', such as 'eternal batteries', but also various deadlies, and plenty of things 'in between', and earthling culture is rearranged by it.
mircea_popescu: phf you want to say "if i can't discriminate then why am i lord", then you turn around and it's "either i have something or i don't have something." well, discriminate, which is it ?
asciilifeform: phf: thus far seems to resemble more the conflict over the alien crud depicted in 'roadside picnic'
mircea_popescu: phf i never heard of scavenger taking the loving tack to the quarry. usually scavenger sounds like alf sounds.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform group of ~dead~ geologists in taiga, with working radios and smoking guns, WAY closer to monkey than the chucka female that told them each she's gonna put out the same night in the same place.
mircea_popescu: phf this whole "i care about the relationship for the stuff it can produce" is very like what proust'd said.
asciilifeform: dead geologist in taiga , with working radio, is much farther from monkey than the live chukcha who found corpse.
mircea_popescu: not so far from monkeys, either, consider how the thing went, 1998-2018. but i think the thread's not worth rehashing.
asciilifeform: it's the 1 example of the fucking spaceheaters , in whole history of that pseudo-field, that wasn't built by monkeys.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, capable when producing what etcetera. i never pursued a woman in my life, nor do i intend to ever start ; i hold no grudges for those who do, but you do understand ~an entire half of the species~ survived to the present day by ~exploting~ this behaviour of yours, yes ?
phf: ignoring for a moment the general conclusion in multiple threads that bolix archeology is essentially a pointless hobby
phf: mircea_popescu: i care about the relationship for the stuff it can produce. i think i'm stuck in circular here. either i have nothing, and then the relationship have no value, but then this conversation is pointless. or else i have something, and the relationship is indeed capable of producing stuff.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-23 04:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is free to be as 'unpersuaded' as he wants. fact: his machine -- can overrun an array; bolix -- could not; his box -- crashes, cannot be examined or uncrashed (yes) -- bolix -- could; and various other aspects, well covered in teh logz.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 19:56 asciilifeform: apeloyee: but on the other hand any attempt to build a sane arch, without fully grasping the bolix stack, from ic to the compiler, is lunacy.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:10 asciilifeform: apeloyee: the other thing to consider, is that the preserved bolix material has ~unspeakably~ rich ( and quite high snr ) collection of artifacts, perhaps 1000 asciilifeform-years of work. take the ns vlsi compiler alone. i have the binaries, but not the src. and ~someone~ will have to make a sane (i.e. fully lispified and zero-externals) vlsitron.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the interest of saving space, i'ma link to e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738171 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738149 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-23#1631545 .
mircea_popescu: and moreover, from the other side, "fiat bolix, pereat mundus, ruat caelum" ? "i am ~so dedicated~ to reconstructing this 80s atari, i am willing to spend however long living with and among fucktarded orc populations, at the risk of my brain rotting like boas'" ? did you actually think this through and that's how it came out ?
mircea_popescu: indulge me for a moment, if you will, and make sense of this salad. why exactly would you ~care~ about the relationship with some morons who ~actually read~ the logs and then douchebag out of the republic ? "because they know really interesting secrets" ? you genuinely believe this is possible, people being both so fucking stupid as to opt out of the republic, and so fucking smart as to have anything, ~anything whatsoever~ to
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:32 phf: that's not a promise that i made, and this is a misrepresentation of my position. unfortunately i can't find the relevant pgpgram, but i believe i made it clear that i don't want this publically discussed, because obviously if any of the interested parties were to read this conversation, their reaction would be "waitaminute". i never the less offered to share what i have, but i never got a confirmation that you can just keep quite on
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:02 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881963 << the question here being, what exact assistence is this to be then ?
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 21:00 asciilifeform: and especially , deliberately unfriendly to whoever profits from the seekrederpery. in fact, i will know when my reversing has succeeded when a bolix collector somewhere at last eats his pistol because his $100k stash of irons is now worth == 8bit nintendo.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882089 << this is a most idiotic standard. doctor doesn't rest easy when the last "seer" mammie "eats pistol", chiefly because doctor doesn't give a damn.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 20:36 asciilifeform: plox can haz conclusion to this, e.g. after the last line of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881988 << rather, the results. doesn't seems he cares about (or even comprehends) the methodology.
trinque doesn't mean in phf's direction either!
mircea_popescu: trinque there seems to be a halting problem somewhere buried in there, among various other maladroitisms.
asciilifeform: if you ~sit~ on the intel, it's wankery.
asciilifeform: which means yes, working with yet-other people who shoot from hip and have baked fpga.
asciilifeform: talking-to-people is a+++, if you ~use~ the intel
asciilifeform: and thereby beats the shit out of the folx who published nothing ! is this controversial ?
asciilifeform: trinque: believe or not, we got along pretty well in meat, the 1 time met.
phf: i got it, there's the honest proper asciilifeform way which is all success stories and high ratings. and then there's the usg, cuck way of actually talking to people.
asciilifeform: to date, the 2nd has produced nothing public. asciilifeform at least posted highres board, which was afaik first (!) ever on the net where you can at least read the fucking ic labels.