mircea_popescu: well hey, you're the one that got censured by reddit right ?
assbot: "These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will — if it were used correctly, that is." pe Trile ... ( http://bit.ly/1wb65X4 )
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller BingoBoingo cazalla : http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/
thestringpuller: all the comments are still there and stuff. And i'm sure bob alison still has his karma
mircea_popescu: "reddit will actually delete the vote count and comment count of popular threads if subversive."
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they persist in thinking that it actually matters how it LOOKS, but hey.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: so someone is fucking with that hard fork missle crisis reddit link.. 1 comment, 3 upvotes? <<< http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/duplicates/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/ << seems reddit deleted the 500 votes / 300 comments thing in what's a doomed attempt to frame the issue as marginal.
mircea_popescu: yes, he was. do you know who else is just as stupid ? oh... everyone in america ? the smartest lawyers and the smartest businessmen, graduating at the absolute top of the absolute best classes in the absolute best universities ?
mircea_popescu: then people say that pirate roberts character was stupid.
mircea_popescu: "Canellas wrote to defendant Warren, Great job dude. We kicked ass! Time to get paid. About ten minutes later, defendant Warren responded, Hey man, I dont know where you come up with some of this stuff, but you saved the day. Its been a rough year but its been damn good. Nice work dude. Lets get paid! Canellas and defendant Warren then left the office to enjoy New Years Eve."
mircea_popescu: bitcoin holders may put up more rigs to protect hteir holdings, and they may or may not also be miners, but that's coincidental.
mircea_popescu: tripleslash: you'd essentially have a narrow window where you could have an easier time manipulating things, but the technicals of mining and others miners would catch up. << "other mienrs will catch up" is so much nonsense. other miners are turning down their rigs as it is with the price today. if diff suddenly jumped 100%, "other miners" will give up and go home. which is why the other miners are not to be taken too
mircea_popescu: that's why the article says the only stable solution is once 50%+ of the earth available energy is used to mine.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't matter WHAT the other, larger altcoin is. even if it is "nothing at all" : for as long as most miners are mining "nothing at all" then the altcoin Bitcoin is in danger of being stomped.
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGVwSi )
mircea_popescu: felipelalli: Makes sense? << if one buys hw, one owns the hw. he can set it on fire or set it to mine scamcoins or w/e he wants. altcoins are perpetually in danger of being destroyed if they are not the largest consumer of hash on the planet, as visited in http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's a 15-25% ish chance by now they actually did and it's just being noised out. tough chance.
mircea_popescu: tripleslash:so watch for a noticeable permanenent 40 petahash drop over the next few difffchanges << it's pretty noticeable they DIDN'T have 40 ph.
davout: "it's thinking about it and preparing by playing tabletop 5th edition Dungeons & Dragons game in the office." <<< hahahah
assbot: cl-async/tcp.lisp at master · orthecreedence/cl-async · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcX6cI )
punkman: adlai: lol https://github.com/orthecreedence/cl-async/blob/master/src/ssl/tcp.lisp#L321 << win!
cazalla: well, i got a couple bottles of dimple 12y on special last week so polished one bottle off at the other nights drinking session and now i have this bottle but i'll stop after this one and go to bed
cazalla: 15m later, onto the third lol
cazalla: mebe BingoBoingo had the right idea.. imma get liquoured up lol
assbot: cl-async/tcp.lisp at master · orthecreedence/cl-async · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1CcX6cI )
cazalla: so someone is fucking with that hard fork missle crisis reddit link.. 1 comment, 3 upvotes? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/
adlai: right. so this error means that somebody in the middle tried to downgrade our connection, and my ssl lib took a shit instead of complying?
Naphex: oh trust me they are
adlai: i'm almost certainly being MITMed (who isn't?), and i'd be surprised if the men in the middle are shitty enough to leak it as protocol errors
Naphex: adlai: as far as I see, btc-e definitely has SSLv3 disabled. So if you got that message you're either being MITM'd and the trapper device is failing mac'ing messages, or who knows what. you shouldn't be receiving that error
Naphex: the alert is a bad mac
Naphex: either you get corrupted data on your connection, or you're being mitm'd
BingoBoingo: All these places wor out olaces
BingoBoingo: Fucker punche dme in the throat
BingoBoingo: In lynsie though I have cultivated the ultimate Germanic storm trooper.
BingoBoingo: cazalla danielpbarron You are indeed the gayest
cazalla: it is so gay how the run things at twitter that i will not confirm just to get it to operate properly
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2015 03:41:56; BingoBoingo: cazalla: You need a period befor your @ replies so they are massively public
cazalla: i tried to keep him on the titty but bugger bites down and makes missus cry
punkman: cazalla, what's the baby bottle nipple made of?
punkman: cazalla, but if it has the BPA FREE stamp it's all good!
assbot: BPA alternative disrupts normal brain-cell growth, is tied to hyperactivity, study says - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1waCKft )
cazalla: punkman: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/bpa-alternative-disrupts-normal-brain-cell-growth-is-tied-to-hyperactivity-study-says/2015/01/12/a9ecc37e-9a7e-11e4-a7ee-526210d665b4_story.html?hpid=z5 <<< took me ages to find glass bottles for the missus to put her expressed milk into, everything is fucking plastic
BingoBoingo: Ow. Stabbing the sides.
BingoBoingo: Nothing hurts as bad as the follow up to that particulat cancer.
punkman: "Boyd’s used its 15-pound allotments (the maximum amount of uranium the company was allowed to keep on hand at any given moment)"
assbot: These People Love to Collect Radioactive Glass. Are They Nuts? | Collectors Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1waDe5b )
punkman: re: uranium http://www.collectorsweekly.com/articles/these-people-love-to-collect-radioactive-glass/
punkman: http://samy.pl/keysweeper/ "KeySweeper is a stealthy Arduino-based device, camouflaged as a functioning USB wall charger, that wirelessly and passively sniffs, decrypts, logs and reports back (over GSM) all keystrokes from any Microsoft wireless keyboard in the vicinity."
assbot: BPA alternative disrupts normal brain-cell growth, is tied to hyperactivity, study says - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1waCKft )
BingoBoingo: badon: At the moment
tripleslash: there are no absoluates
tripleslash: you'd essentially have a narrow window where you could have an easier time manipulating things, but the technicals of mining and others miners would catch up.
tripleslash: felipelalli, if you were to say double the hashrate overnight, it would be hard for the "community" to counter it overnight.
BingoBoingo: Maybe? The thing is an raw hashpower measure gets messy.
felipelalli: Let me ask you guys a (stupid?) question: "hidden hash power" can be a problem? Suppose I start to invest in mining hardware but I do not turn on my machines. No one will know I am accumulating hash power. So, after a while, if I turn on all my machines I'd have - let's imagine - 80% of the hash rate. But it would be too late to revert the situation by the community. If big miners start to turn the machines off, they can not be hiding power?
ben_vulpes: (dun really think the two models would interact much, but also i don't know much microbio)
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: CYP 450 motherfucker
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> a bum, like a total, street dwelling bum, accosts some random guy begging. and the random guy goes like "ain't got nothing now", and hands him his coke bottle. << ok so i've got this crazy pet notion about maté and viral load
cazalla: tripleslash, i already agreed, merely pointed out it could be an indicator, one piece of the puzzle so to speak if one was inclined to dig further, which i am not
tripleslash: stumping for con artists was a past hobby of mine, although I didn't know it at the time.
cazalla: undata, the cex portion really only served as a means to discuss the new difficulty all time high anyway
ben_vulpes: "I wanted to spend my bitcoin immediately, that very night, but I was at a loss." << the fiat mindset's strong with these folk
undata: the article is mostly a quotation...
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: If only you had the slightest idea who may ot may not be qntra's BitPay layoff source
gribble: You are now authenticated for user felipelalli with key 4C0AFCCFED5CDE14
tripleslash: I'm glad I didn't waste my time reading it then.
cazalla: the article wasn't based on no math.. it was based on what cex said on their blog and their website and i finished it by saying that despite these cloud miners being fucked, the network goes on with or without them anyway
tripleslash: might as well write for the onion
tripleslash: as we all know, mining contracts have always sucked for the buyer.
cazalla: all i said was that it might raise some questions about whether what they claim is fact or lie
tripleslash: but you certainly can't figure that out based on the number of blocks generated in the next 12 hours.
cazalla: perhaps they even have the hardware but instead of switching it off, they'll just continue to mine with hardware that customers paid for, who knows
tripleslash: doesn't mean their bid will amount to much.
cazalla: i specifically avoided it in the article because these fucks claim all sorts and i've better things to do than chase my own tail
tripleslash: I think they are a scam
tripleslash: so watch for a noticeable permanenent 40 petahash drop over the next few difffchanges
cazalla: are you a customer of theirs or something?
cazalla: except they claim 40 petahash
tripleslash: give it a diffchange, perhaps, but then you'd have to somehow figure out a way to exclude anyone else that might be dropping out because of the sagging exchange price
cazalla: yeah i know there is nothing conclusive which is why i did not include anything about that in my article, i just included that they claim 300k users instead
tripleslash: its impossible to conclusively say a drop/gain in network hash was attributable to them unless you know every other single source of mining and know the reported stats on them
tripleslash: you're missing the whole point
cazalla: tripleslash, yeah i know, i just don't really care enough about these guys to go chasing up the current hash rate and doing some math to figure out if a 12-24 hour drop is because they turned miners off or if no drop in hash rate proves they never had miners to begin with
tripleslash: there's a reson difficulty isnt changed each block
tripleslash: so until next diffchange, its impossible to say whether network is growing or shrinking
cazalla: announcement said they would suspend miners after the next diff change which was this morning
tripleslash: cazalla, how long have they been suspended?
cazalla: felipelalli, i did, i don't know enough about CEX to call it either way but fact network continues to grow without them raising some questions
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Cex.io was very big at exactly the same time inputs.io was big. My feeling is that it was predatory the whole time.
cazalla: ACR was doyle's room from memory until poker ban and then doyle had his name scrubbed from it
mircea_popescu: cazalla they been arounbd a long time with no withdraws ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, been around a long time so i doubt it, from what i read the customer support are just clueless and withdrawals are not enabled yet.. they're working on getting the money in, worry about letting people getting it out later lol
BingoBoingo: rithm: Thanks. My biggest surprise is they surrendered on orange ball.
rithm: BingoBoingo mizzou is doing a hell of a good job in the sec
BingoBoingo: So, in a tremendous blow for liberty Ohio State won the College football championship tonight.
BingoBoingo: The thing is... Agent Broachwala showing up at your doorstep won't make you persona non-grata, but cooperating with agent Broachwala will
BingoBoingo: Honestly probing satoshi's binaries. He started BTC with dumb ideas. Not implementing those dumb ideas and discouraging other people from the same was his legacy.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the part where satoshi pretty much left because he couldn't believe just how fucking idiotic gavin is doesn't really make the cut of what reddit likes to discuss huh.
mircea_popescu: Gavin Andresen: Um... I haven't had email from satoshi in a couple months actually. The last email I sent him I actually told him I was going to talk at the CIA. So it's possible , that.... that may have um had something to with his deciding"
mircea_popescu: "Bruce Wagner : When was the last time you chatted to satoshi <laugh>
assbot: “/BBoingo: /benjammingh I use GPG, you suck a big bag of dicks. /thegrugq”< http://t.co/MnynJ1pjzW
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You did indeed. THey plan on withdrawals... later
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/winning-poker-network-roll-out-bitcoin-depositwithdrawal-option/ << cazalla did i hear they don't actually honor withdraws ?
mircea_popescu: i imagine it's passive-aggressive "i will crop a screenshot rather than link because somehow links from this shithole matter in the grand scheme, whereas 15 minutes of my life are worth squat"
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10124615#msg10124615 << tardstalk lulz of the day
rithm: there's a new assbot
mircea_popescu: waiting for the new assbot
ben_vulpes: or the semantics are totally bulloxed
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] http://staceyjayya.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/transparency.html << why not start a kickstarter. << a "failed kickstarter" person is doing the "meetup" circuit in my town
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes i imagine the point was to humiliate through the low bar. << It isn't the mass, but the on-demand
ben_vulpes: except for those 10 hours reading through the intertwined wallet/transaction generation code in 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: nothing! i was derping on the mountain all weekend.
hanbot: what did you feed them?
ben_vulpes doesn't into the irony today
tripleslash: its like a feather
ben_vulpes: what did you guys do - like 500lines in the past three hours?
scoopbot: New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2015/if-you-look-closely-youll-see-the-other-players-were-all-holograms/
BingoBoingo: Seriously imsaguy, the pirateat40 era history is your biggest asset. Milk it.
BingoBoingo: The thing the fuckers are incapable of ever acknowledging will be the later less polite arguments. They are inoculated agaisnt it. When they come to reason everything the cite will have been written in 2013.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it, so fucking weird what burns these people.
mircea_popescu: "oh look, what mp said back in october when he was being nice about it is a lot easier to follow than what he's saying now, once the fuckwits in question ignored the polite approach. isn't it mp's fault that gavin is an idiot!"
mircea_popescu: "[EDIT] There is an explanation of the possible problem with increasing the block size in the comment section here Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork, which is much more informative that Mr Popsescu's own vindictive rambling."
mircea_popescu: "Not the least of my reasons is that Mircea Popescu seems to be a thoroughly dislikeable, arrogant, smug, elitist and condescending chap. He makes every disagreement a personal dispute between his own superior intellect and the stupid idiots that are not him. His attitude towards Andresen, the public, the poor and the residents of Mali is despicable."
mod6: grape 'em in the mouth
mircea_popescu: ah this rape will be like... the sweetest rape in the history of that generally sweet article.
mircea_popescu: they DESERVE.
mircea_popescu: "[EDIT2] I've never seen so much stupidty concentrated in the same space as so much unpleasantness since I was in high school. Even if Popescu and his friends are right, they deserve to be left on a fork and lose all their precious play-money. This is why I usually avoid reading anything non-technical about Bitcoin. I'm going back to that policy, the pain was not worth the Quora credits."
BingoBoingo: Basically county surrenders to me or no deal. Even then no deal, because their act of surrender is exonerating.
BingoBoingo: I mean I would take on a county misdemeanor "court supervision" if I were able at the same time to slander the county by motorboating the ADA under court order.
BingoBoingo: Or at least let me motorboat the ADA's tits.
mircea_popescu: not like it should dent the budget of the greatest country in the world anyway, got 1 trn to spend on imaginary planes.
mircea_popescu: they want out of it, better bring some money.
mircea_popescu: generally prosecutor has little option, going through with it costs more before the thing even gets to a jury.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: 30 years proposed by a prosecutor is often 2-3 years by the time one has to report to jail. << well, how's that plea bargain supposed to go, "oh, so you're offering 3 meals a day and free housing, over 30 years that's about 350k give or take. pay me say 175`000.00 in one lump up front and i might let the charges go".
kakobrekla: whats the holdup?
jborkl_: There was a hour and a half block earlier
mike_c: ok, this isn't hard. i'll do the maff
kakobrekla: or they still running.
jborkl_: Hard to tell until 500 blocks into the diff
mircea_popescu: there IS a sort of drp]
jborkl_: No, it is correct but only accurate for small amount of the diff
mike_c: smoking the good stuff
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Last year in my survey on BTC hovels... Motherfuckers who loved Inputs.io also loved Cex.io
BingoBoingo: jborkl_: Well Cex.io was the big 2013 scam. And it dies nao.
jborkl_: Cex dropping cloud mining sure shot the diff to shit
BingoBoingo: business card of the Treasury agent who visited me last summer in case anyone missed it. FBI agent said he "forgot" his card: https://imgur.com/FYaDobY
mircea_popescu: TomServo: Curious, block 338710 had only 1 transaction (the new coins) - is that common? << empty blocks used to make up 10-20% of the chain a year or so ago.
cazalla: yeah, that's why i always use with_replies for other's feeds, it's such a stupid fucking setup the way they have it, timeline isn't even a timeline these days with it not being in chronological order
BingoBoingo: Instead of your, calling motherfuckers out feed
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You need a period befor your @ replies so they are massively public
BingoBoingo: AM I THE ONLY FUCKING AMERICAN WHO HAS A DEFENSE PREPARED AGAINST KINGPIN STATUE CHARGES WHILE AVOIDING DRUG BUSINESS
BingoBoingo: @benjammingh What is this start saving business. You retain that motherfucker. @thegrugq
assbot: Instead of banning crypto, they could just legally require that everyone is only allowed to use PGP. Effectively the same thing.
assbot: Instead of banning crypto, they could just legally require that everyone is only allowed to use PGP. Effectively the same thing.
BingoBoingo: Well I dunno I'd have to grow them. Now that Obummercare offers dental my dentist prother is pulling many more teeth than he drills.... Can prolly make a prosthetic...
assbot: “/BBoingo: /benjammingh I use GPG, you suck a big bag of dicks. /thegrugq”< http://t.co/MnynJ1pjzW
mircea_popescu: no, ineffectively the same thing. i'd actually support that "ban"
BingoBoingo: Charlie plead. He's on the otherside. Personally i've been doing Butt kegels and practicing knife fighting drills with a toothbrush.
kakobrekla: well, thats one way of decrypting the private key.
kakobrekla: so shrem sold all the buttcoins for ze lawyers
assbot: Instead of banning crypto, they could just legally require that everyone is only allowed to use PGP. Effectively the same thing.
cazalla: maybe shrem was fishing for donations this morning.. looking at https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/546367889625079808 yet all these people who asked to support him financially only able to muster 1.4 btc before newsbtc paycoin site dropped 4 btc in his pocket
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I can't blame you though if you hit the portal vein instead of the carotid.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Fear of the unknown. It is a special hell. Was so for Gox too. Just remember you were the one who first marked Buttstamp for death.
kakobrekla: as long as you are not with the last 18k you are good
BingoBoingo: And usualy here get the better out of it than persons so it should be a fair fight http://www.dailyillini.com/news/article_4f40f150-c23e-5ae1-812a-a0ee8beeb873.html
mircea_popescu: "oh hai guise, we move to san francisco to halp with the price supression pls to take us moar srs"
mircea_popescu: what, are the exchanges low or something ?
kakobrekla: the problem with desync is sheep.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo actually i noted this desync yesterday , but on another chan.
BingoBoingo: ATM options motherfuckers seem to be following Buttstamp
BingoBoingo: svetlana: Well, understandable. atm. How long have you been lurking. Just since the rogue DDoS bot here was complained about in other channels, right?
svetlana: thanks, i can't be bothered to register with gribble
BingoBoingo is Aaronman running through the forest chasing Egyptians
[\\\]: If it was the channels, this nick would get just as much, but it doesn't.
kakobrekla: that be the problem.
[\\\]: I've not changed the channels.
BingoBoingo: [\\\]: You let Pirate expand your butthole enough it gauge that gauge isn't the right unit of measure anymore, own it.
[\\\]: you have to escape the slashes
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 12 via 12 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
BingoBoingo: Well, maybe also the part where you used to use a name that involved... letters
[\\\]: all the bashes
kakobrekla: actually its your retarded nick, idk i guess you wanted to hide after the pirate fiasco
[\\\]: then you have 45 days
kakobrekla: [\\\] the only shitty part is your understanding. its not assbot, its gribble.
BingoBoingo: Nah, SOL isn't applicable anymore because they charged it.
BingoBoingo: The local DA refuses trial because they might lose and I don't really care because fuck them, RESPECT MY AUTHORITIE!!!
WolfGoet_: roponigo is the most fun u can have in nightlife... just amazing fun
[\\\]: What's there to visit in Japan?
BingoBoingo: My lawyer hired to handle the paperwork of the case and preparation has made it clear to the prosecutor and judge both that no plea is incoming.
[\\\]: did you tell at the judge?
BingoBoingo: Well, given trendon's sins he'd be non-grata no matter the disposition
BingoBoingo: Well, assbot wasn't the obstacle.
[\\\]: I was attempting to avoid the double switch
BingoBoingo: Look fucker with the all special characters name. I can't up you until I can tab autocomplete your name.
BingoBoingo: 30 years proposed by a prosecutor is often 2-3 years by the time one has to report to jail.
BingoBoingo: WolfGoet_: Prosecutors get to pile on all of the charges they can imagine. Many will die before trial, more die at jury deliberation, the ones a defendant gets sentenced on might reflect a tenth of what the inital charges scared the defendant into pleaing.
WolfGoet_: i have a buddy at the nyc da's office. at vance's... i think ti was preet who got him tho, not vance. will ask him if they will stick to it
WolfGoet_: no opinion on the plea bargain, outside my expertise
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z2Muzc )
BingoBoingo: WolfGoethe: Thoughts on http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
BingoBoingo: !up WolfGoethe