asciilifeform: decimation: lately they skimp, and use gigantic plastic simulacra of these, in neon colours, filled with rancid rainwater
decimation: mircea_popescu: no, around asciilifeform they use 6 ft diameter concrete 'planters' to act as 'subtle' car barriers
mircea_popescu: prolly should put some pics up from sanity land oiver here. everyone's barefoot in the grass for lunch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that chain reminds instantly of the chains in public parks to keep folks off lawn
BingoBoingo: Barret brown piece on the order for tommorow. Bitcoin Magazine piece... eventually... Not like it is going anywhere
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Opaque grammar version still appears to have hooked massive traction on the socialitard media.
asciilifeform: (now we have our first fork of the fork, whoopee)
mircea_popescu: anyway, still great article, hitting the mark. qntra can only go to moon from here.
decimation: of course, one can see why the priests would feel threatened
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is apolitical except to the extent it by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism." << "Bitcoin is apolitical, yet by the harsh realities of mathematics and actual economics it necessarily finds itself in opposition to all forms of socialism. Which, arguably, are apolitical as well, inasmuch as politics is about the polis not the utopia."
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's a good point, gotta have the court jester to keep things lively
mircea_popescu: on average, the profession of vizier scores a hair under the profession of mendicant popular medic.
mircea_popescu: "organized theft and poverty as cultured by sociaism" perhaps a lither, more fuckable version.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " in that is discards the organized theft and poverty cultured by socialism" << in that is discards the organized theft and the poverty cultured by socialism. if you enumerate gotta keep all elements in the same degree of articledness.
asciilifeform: naturally, nothing came out other end.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6 check plz ? << i don't see anything in the mailing list
mircea_popescu: line up and skirts over head bitches, there's no decency in sight.
mircea_popescu: a) "stagnation" is not the ultimate evil. that fake dilemma. b) seriously, the only "decent" way ?
asciilifeform: (if don't know, learn where the x GHz clock comes from. pll multiplicator of an ordinary quartz! compounded error)
mircea_popescu: "The reason that money is and can only be political is that the only way of steering a course between the Scylla and Charybdis of dangerous ponzi growth and stagnation is to exercise a degree of rational, collective control over the supply of money. And since this control is bound to be political, in the sense that different monetary policies will affect different groups of people differently, the only decent manner in
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 23:47:17; asciilifeform: likewise - perhaps there is no need to point this out, but the linux/bsd kernel is also not a scientific instrument.
decimation: interesting, they must have some kind of functional timer
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " can indeed wield the power of capital thwart assaults on " < to.
decimation: asciilifeform: I imagine the pogo is slow as balls
mircea_popescu: "First, the bitcoin social economy is bound to be typified by chronic deflation. Secondly, we have already seen the rise of a bitcoin aristocracy (a term coined by Greek blogger @techiechan) which, besides the issues of distributive justice which it raises"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "rewarded with private profits while the losses are socialize eliminating risk"
asciilifeform: and i suppose by assuming a 32bit mysteryturd for the type.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 00:49:36; asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html <<<< gpg: BAD signature from "mod6 (mod6) <modsix@gmail.com>
asciilifeform: not even the bdb locks patch
asciilifeform: anyone with exotic cpu he wants to try, is invited to replace the armv5 cross-gcc with his
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not the pogo autodeflorator yet
asciilifeform: just replace the cross-compile gcc with your normal one.
asciilifeform: oh don't forget the patch.
asciilifeform: user supplies them.
asciilifeform: nothing directly to do with the 'pogo' - that's a separate one, that isn't ready to show yet
adlai: mircea_popescu: the problem is that i'm not certain what's the best arrangement. the "fx bot" currently runs on 3 btc/fiat exchanges, but that's not necessarily the best place to run it, and i'm not sure that i'm the best person to handle the "get btc from investors to exchange and back" side of things
asciilifeform: it's in there!
gribble: There were no matching configuration variables.
decimation: mircea_popescu: absolutely, the 'harvard elite' are very much a cult that happens to be in fashion
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of the matter is that ONLY THEY DO. and the current libertardism of the us was exactly b-a back in the 70s.
mircea_popescu: decimation incidentally, for all the idiots who imagine (well, wish to believe, and so do believe) that b-a is "a cult" or that well designed, self-centered cultures do not prevail irl...
asciilifeform: on therealbitcoin.org
decimation: Destructive War, he mentions a foreign traveler in 1864 who asked some random American to explain the war. "It's the conquest of America by Massachusetts," was the answer. Massachusetts, of course, later went on to conquer first Europe and then the entire planet, the views of whose elites as of 2007 bear a surprisingly coincidental resemblance to those held at Harvard in 1945. But I digress.)"
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Why conservatives never quite catch the boat ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1g2fN )
decimation: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-conservatives-never-quite-catch.html < "The Brahmins, universalists, ultracalvinists, etc, do not hate "our culture" at all. They have a very distinct culture of their own - with a family tree that spends a remarkable amount of time in Massachusetts, upstate New York, etc, etc. (In Charles Royster's excellent and only mildly neo-Unionist picture of the Civil War, The
asciilifeform: i think i was the first one to actually run something from the www output end of turdatron today
adlai: what's the MPIA?
mircea_popescu: Dimsler yeah, "trade" is not "give me free shit while i tan". how did that silly quote go, "And so on. The three men ended up working like dogs, using all the skills developed by trial and error in their first few weeks building a hut, fish, trying to get the women to forage. The women continued to bitch and sunbathe."
Dimsler: decimation, i can assure you most of the larger cities are pretty much dumps
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my mpif experience if an exchange or asset looks like it is becoming imminently untenable the MPIA will tell you to bail and when.
Dimsler: what he didn't see was that the trade was onsided, inexchange for a bunch of debt
decimation: as an american, I see germany as a theme park filled with stuffed animals, spouting libtard-ideology
Dimsler: "Simon Heffer wrote in 2011 "Where Hitler failed by military means to conquer Europe, modern Germans are succeeding through trade and financial discipline. Welcome to the Fourth Reich."
mircea_popescu: <decimation> of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945 << very astute observation.
asciilifeform: mod6, jurov: no idea if the turdatron actually works though
decimation: of course the ideology of that fourth reich was harvard circa 1945
adlai: mircea_popescu: question: could a profit center be run within mpex/coinbr? ie, the extent of "you get some btc" would be crediting an account? kinda like how margin is described in the mpex faq.
Dimsler: the fourth reich take over of europe ultimatly ended in a wealth transfer scheme and a failing currency
mircea_popescu: cost about as much as the vouchers paid. 3-5kish
mircea_popescu: Dimsler but at great gain to the quality of life of the average romanian. and to a lesser degree, frenchman.
BingoBoingo: My spirit animal though is a most likely a wound spring. It used to be a wood chuck until Preston Byrne appropriated them and relabled them all fucking marmots.
decimation: Dimsler: note that the 'free bmw' plan also allowed germany to 'increase' its gdp
Apocalyptic: trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Amazingly all but the last two paragraph happened before I acquired vodka.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yanis did write more naive Bitcoin essays by they came later.
Dimsler: the fourth reich europe domination has proven to be a failure, instead of bodies all the tanned skin loungers got a free bmw or merc
mircea_popescu: Dimsler fat chance of that. you folk will need tyo go beat all the gypos over the head again, and then the brits will burn berlin because 'o noes' again.
adlai: i'm familiar with the overall idea, although i couldn't recite its returns from memory
mircea_popescu: adlai you ever looked into the workings of panacea ? and mike_c's tracking thereof ?
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, good riddance, maybe the euro will go back to being called the deutsch mark like it really is
mircea_popescu: ially it may seem unfortunate that someone decided to promote him from penny arcade optimisations to managing the finances of a populated area that to some degree still succeeds in putting forth the pretense of a sovereign state, with a government and everything. Upon further consideration, you will notice it's exactly adequate.
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from SYRIZA's recent win in Greec is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis (mostly remembered for tinkering with Valve's Steam marketplace) to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis could also be less charitably remembered for penning numerous naive essays throughout the Spring of 2013, dedicated to misrepresenting Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything. Superfic
mircea_popescu: ave remained entirely without note. Unfortunately someone decided to promote him from advising ways for an arcade could extract more money from chumps to managing the finances of a populated area that is still by some miracle, in some form a sovereign state with a government.
mircea_popescu: One piece of fallout from the recent SYRIZA win in Greece's election is the appointment of Yanis Varoufakis, most notable for tinkering with Valve's Steam video game marketplace to the position of Finance Minister. Yanis Varoufakis is much less notable for in the spring of 2013 writing one of the many essays naively assailing Bitcoin as some sort of impossible fantasy incapable of anything, an essay that safely could h
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you definitely impose contorted grammar upon the reading public.
BingoBoingo: * decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time << You do realize if you try to advance critical theory past Kant you buffer overflwo straight back to Hume. It is an ugly loop.
BingoBoingo: adlai: In my experience MPIF invest in the person with the trading device instead of moneyed buffer intermediary
decimation would prefer to humbly submit to the silent dance of the celestial spheres, as man has done for all known time
BingoBoingo: decimation: The point is I am the one who imposes time onto the manifold of the unintuited world and not the reverse.
adlai: mircea_popescu: it really depends what that capital is for. for funding further development of the bot? not much, feature by feature, i'm not looking for a vc-style investment. for testing the algorithm on larger amounts, to see how the strategy scales up? right now, two digit btc sum, more as progress permits.
asciilifeform: note! had to patch the bitcoin
Dimsler: good ol Rutherford-Bohr model
mircea_popescu: maybe the blockchain that messes up seconds is a minute off over ten trillion years. whereas cesium clocks, .855% off
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Latest qntra piece I took the opportunity to empty the venom sacks a bit on new Derpolis. Pete apparently leik'd it.
mircea_popescu: there's no end of that.
mircea_popescu: how about the effects of gravity! how about the effects of universe expanding! how abvout etc.
Dimsler: what about the effects of dark matter on subatomic particles
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: About 500 ml of 80 proof vodka tonight. Making up for the bender this past weekend could have been. After reddit IRL I need to clean the slate with a strong solvent.
mircea_popescu: otherwise suire, atopmic clock works great for atomic physics.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that folks who actually need the cesium fountain for practical work do not bother with the metaphysics. but simply end up defining precise timebase as 'the thing that, if any noisier, now you can't geolocate but to +/-1km...'
asciilifeform: as far as anyone has been able to determine to date, the atom does not temporally misbehave, and so it can be used as clock to the limits of the measurement precision.
decimation: sure. but note that the precision is measureably poor
mircea_popescu: i can see a whole swathe of applications for which it would be.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the question, as I stated earlier, is whether 'rotation of the earth about axis' or 'number of vibrations of cesium' is your timebase
BingoBoingo: Space similarly, not a property of "nature", but imposed upon nature by the apperception
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY. same argument bolsters the "time in blocks" conventionb.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "they had to act inconsistently to maintain a certain facade of consistency"
mircea_popescu: note, re the "replication" that recently they were stuck adding a 2nd 3rd second off midnight,
mircea_popescu: well so is the iridium alloy meter.
decimation: yeah, I am inaccurately using the word 'accuracy'
mircea_popescu: (i'm not disputing the timing of subatomic events)
mircea_popescu: even the other kind is a convention rather than a factual point at subsecond accuracy across decades
TheNewDeal: the poker room I just played at had automagic card shufflers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have one. they work.
mircea_popescu: time as anything other than arbitrary convention is a hard proposition.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well, the way it works now, to my understanding, is that there's a kind of wot among high-spec clocks
mircea_popescu: note that merely *thinking* you do, or "not being able to find otherwise" can trivially be replicated by the conventional model he proposes.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Only the fucking white ford F-150 which until mention in chan that bombarded my domicile with microwaves knows for sure.
decimation: http://www.leapsecond.com/java/gpsclock.htm " GPS, Global Positioning System time, is the atomic time scale implemented by the atomic clocks in the GPS ground control stations and the GPS satellites themselves. GPS time was zero at 0h 6-Jan-1980 and since it is not perturbed by leap seconds GPS is now ahead of UTC by 16 seconds. "
decimation: BingoBoingo: well, if the atomic clock is your timekeeper, than leap seconds are silly
mod6: does anyone like thebitcoin.foundation/banner.html ?
BingoBoingo: Why should the measurement of time suffer for the insufficiencies of celestial body movement.
BingoBoingo: Let time stay constant. If planetary rotation slows acknowledge that as the problem.
BingoBoingo: Why not simply walk the meridian?
BingoBoingo: decimation: You forget I am one of the luck ones who sleeps ad libitum, who through the #b-a logs primarily judges time in GMT in spite of proximity to 90 degrees west
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2014 04:19:25; mircea_popescu: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then?
mod6: ok, so i sent the build.sh script in plaintext with a detached sig to the mailing and it just never showed up. lol
decimation: well, the whole thing comes down to this: what ought to govern the period of a day? the rotation of the earth or a random clock?
BingoBoingo: Ah, but time zones have everything to do with the imprecision people are willing to accept when it comes to time
decimation: a leap second is literally correcting for the fact that a cesium atom vibrates with more precision than the earth spins about its axis
BingoBoingo: decimation: And the boundaries of fiat timezones are any better?
decimation: asciilifeform: but if you eliminate the correction for leapseconds, you are going to create one extra step for someone who is trying to derive longitude from solar position
decimation: accumulate them for years into some kind of 'leap hour'
BingoBoingo: rather than admit far smaller digits have meaning they would rather make the world bark on command.
BingoBoingo: Seriously, pick a better number of cesium vibrations for the official figure
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
mod6: you know, before I did any of that, i thought about doing a detached sig, but then i wondered if something really funky would happen, like it would get somehow added to the patch-list automagically, and it doesn't belong there either.
asciilifeform: or am i the only one who actually tried to run what is up on that site.
asciilifeform: and how the hell did anything else get posted
mod6: ^----- the turdalator adds this dash on parse
BingoBoingo: devthedev: lol barry soetero
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well most people complain about the big kernel lock.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: One very useful area the book discusses is configuring sudo users
BingoBoingo digs for undeadly.org piece on the matter
BingoBoingo: trinque: Indeed. Only current through 5.4 or 5.5 but differences since are well documented. The book is good for differences versus Linux and other BSD's
trinque: that's the one?
BingoBoingo: Other than Google using OpenBSD's libc for Android over Gnu libc
BingoBoingo thinks Brent Cook going to OpenBSD is one of the best things to happen to Linux in a long time.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Before wiping best to play with OpenBSD on some designated toy hardware. I can not recommend the Micheal W Lucas book enough.
decimation: asciilifeform: the whole episode steers one toward bsd
trinque: danielpbarron: you telling christians what their book says again?
asciilifeform: or if they lose one or two.
BingoBoingo: 9 years ago the debian official random number was 6. Now glibc fuckery is uncovered. Imperial nudity advances.
gribble: BlueMeanie4 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 48 seconds ago: <BlueMeanie4> most of them are in Berlin
trinque: I can never stay focused on it (rather, cannot pull self away from moneymaking endeavors) long enough to finish something
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/01/27/marshawn_lynch_joins_super_bowl_media_day_to_avoid_fine.html
BingoBoingo: at the time it was click on staff and select note to drop.
decimation: also I think it would be rather inconvenient to disassemble and reassemble watch to use screwdriver
decimation: it probably won't reach the critical 'man adoption factor' and therefore will be hated and uncool
asciilifeform: this would even be interesting if the watchband-screwdriver were something one craftsman made in single-digit quantity
decimation: but the derps who run the airport security chumpatron would 'trip' on 'leatherman-like object'
asciilifeform: decimation: like the 'fake key' that was in fashion a few years ago.
decimation: not that a regular 'leatherman' (sans knife) couldn't go
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, the 'selling point' is that you can take it through an airport
BingoBoingo back then did not realize was treading chumpatron
BingoBoingo: By some horrible accident of history in High School shat out http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Going.mp3 with WIndows 3.1 technology (rougly 2003) was featured in new york concert http://www.voxnovus.com/60x60/2003_Concert_Program.htm did not make the CD cut; Crazy things teenagers with idea do.
decimation: asciilifeform: novel idea for a toolkit: your watch links: http://www.leatherman.com/425.html
decimation: but certainly has connections with control theory (feedback systems)
asciilifeform: control theory?
asciilifeform: probably the most easily fundamental concept i know of in what used to be called 'cybernetics' (what's it called today? even exists as a field?)
asciilifeform: for anyone who actually bothered to read the link: i did not yet know the term 'OODA loop' when i wrote that piece.
decimation: perhaps the 'digitization' of a piano keyboard is a convenient simplification for the brain - structure allows creativity, etc
nubbins`: sounds like my understanding of the nature of reality
asciilifeform: i can't even say for certain that it is real. it's rather like describing dreams. if there's no way to get it out of your head, it exists only for you.
nubbins`: if i'm not mistaken, your problem is the inability to express your tune as either notes or as a hum that can be recorded
nubbins`: i once dated a woman who worked at a craft store. a guy comes rushing in one day screaming about music paper. he needed to write down the notes in his head before he forgot them.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> except the process of searching by trial and error destroys the head music. << This so much
nubbins`: then i feel your agony
nubbins`: but the actual sound production side of it is 100% analog, so full granularity on pitch, tone, a bunch of other things
nubbins`: it'll store 8 or 16 steps and loop them
decimation: !s theremin
asciilifeform: nubbins`: unless i misunderstand, the linked device is something like a theremin (in the continuously-variable input sense, rather than mechanism per se) ?
BingoBoingo: tch is being able to surrender to hearing the wrong thing when they perform themselves and simply mapping correspindence to the right hting.
BingoBoingo: My hypothesis is that whistling and humming acquire the correct pitch by way of bang-bang correction. The delay between each bang your brain produces and the resulting sound is imperceptibly small, because the vocal apparatus is located so near, and the necessary muscle motions are so minute. Thus, the correct pitch seems to come out as if by magic. And yet no magic is involved. << Normally magic of musicians with perfect pi
asciilifeform: (i mostly gave up on the subject years ago)
asciilifeform: i generally don't discuss music with musical folks because 100% of the time it turns out that they are trying to accomplish something very different with their time
nubbins`: are these notes we're talking about or tones?
nubbins`: why am i trying to sell you an analogue synthesizer?
asciilifeform: theremin is as granular as... not even sure what
moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
nubbins`: lotta fun out of the box, but also lots of neat mods hidden inside.
asciilifeform: describes a hypothesis.
assbot: Loper OS » Music, UI, and Greedy Algorithms: the Mozart Machine? ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjHhp )
asciilifeform: nubbins`, BingoBoingo: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=11 << old article of mine on the subject
assbot: Amazon.com: Korg Monotron Delay Analog Ribbon Synthesizer: Musical Instruments ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOjIll )
nubbins`: http://www.amazon.com/Korg-Monotron-Analog-Ribbon-Synthesizer/dp/B00684KFAM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1422413077&sr=8-2&keywords=monotribe
BingoBoingo: Tuba/Euphoniums are the only solo sort of wind instrument I can play where actual sound produced overpowers bone conduction bias that would otherwise render me tone deaf
asciilifeform: perhaps it actually -is- a mirage, like the 'head programs' of folks who can't program.
hanbot: <BingoBoingo> Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together. << see the marchenko/alisie theft accusation back-and-forth here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129722.msg1387064#msg1387064
asciilifeform: because that has nothing whatsoever to do with getting the head music out.
asciilifeform: was never, however, interested in 'learning to play instrument' in the usual sense of being human player piano
asciilifeform: did try to learn this particular thing, but never got remotely off the ground.
decimation: asciilifeform: we are all blank slates, subject to the state's desire for learning
nubbins`: and channeling them through various components of your choosing...
asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage.
nubbins`: but if you like the idea of directly manipulating sound waves
nubbins`: that, there's not much helping
asciilifeform: nubbins`: can never get the physical sound to correspond to what was in head.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: After the war I might have to get you a tuba, instrument of kings
nubbins`: alf, you seem like the kind of guy who would, in another life, have a massive modular synthesizer in your basement, patch cables and eurorack modules all over the place
asciilifeform: 'Axe-time, sword-time, shields are sundered, Wind-time, wolf-time, ere the world falls; Nor ever shall men - each other spare.'
thestringpuller: people are filling up the war chests
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Sometimes fresh qntra pieces don't have it right away, this one has it now though.
thestringpuller: not a big deal just have to scroll to see other pieces on qntra front page
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: "Bingo bongo" just wrote a stunningly beautiful pice euthanizing the new Greek Minister for Economics. It's a joy to read.
decimation: "And the consumers of intelligence say out loud “Why should I trust you on this issue when you were wrong on that one?” Weak performance in one DI area immediately calls into question all work in the CIA."
BingoBoingo: Damnatio Memoria sort of thing, but if someone want to dump some history I'll pull a thing together.
BingoBoingo: When they told me in early 2013 to not bother submitting to them I kind of exiled them on my own.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you have a good file on the Bitcoin Magazine drama. I'm at a loss for history on that one.
decimation: "Newcomers to the IC may not realize that the CIA presence in the Oval Office during the George W. Bush administration was the exception, not the rule."