cazalla: dunno, thestringpuller only know that one song of hers but then only because weird al did it first
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cazalla: miss me thestringpuller? ya lack of emails suggest not :\
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mod6: we appreciate all the help that the attendants of #b-a have given to the foundation & the effort to decruft the R.I.
mod6: thanks for the help mike_c!
mod6: well, for instance if you received the blocks out of order, and then you got the child of 144,000 a few after some others, then it can't continue
mike_c: if the chain split off where, at 144k?
mod6: well, if he removed the entire orphanMap, then it if the chain split off and became the new best chain, it can't move forward.
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change << my experience is in line with asciilifeform's: once wedged, it never unwedges
mod6: The Bitcoin Developers^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HPower Rangers
ben_vulpes: i don't have a contract with those people, i'm not bound by any line of text they write.
TheNewDeal: apparently a line of text at the top of a file
mod6: at the top of that file
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thanks for the find
TheNewDeal: copyright The Bitcoin Developers. fml
trinque: insert into raw_transaction (...) values (...); << and fuck the jsonrpc
trinque: whose fault is the btc json thing? nosql people?
trinque: you'd just query the outputs table for your pubkey where none are referenced by an input's output_id field
mike_c: no, it stayed stuck at 144k where it was when i made the change
trinque: what we came up with was just rolling forward from the transaction which funded deedbot first and finding spendable outputs each time, then using one to stamp
mike_c: asciilifeform: the answer was it ran all night and didn't do a damn thing.
trinque: talked with ben_vulpes last night about the deedbot "publisher" service, which does the blockchain timestamping
mod6: we want to get this thing running on openbsd, but in the 5 minutes i looked at it, iirc there was a database version change and maybe another thing or two that needed to change. can't recall off the bat.
asciilifeform: openbsd << it should build anywhere the dependencies build, theoretically. nothing linux-specific in there, much less distro-specific.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 05:26:57; mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
mod6: well, he was just looking at how they limit to 750 in forward versions right?
asciilifeform: mike_c might have the answer already.
mod6: ah, yikes. we'll keep working on the map of orphans problem into next month for sure.
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, does your build script build the R.I. on obsd? (haven't had a chance to try it yet)
kakobrekla: TomServo these were custom developed for me by a friend who runs a high end speakers co.
davout: ben_vulpes: to be completely fair there was an osx-specific bug that got my db corrupted
kakobrekla: in a normal speaker you have a coil suspended in magnetic field and that moves the (small) cone with terrible side effects
TomServo: er, ribbon tweeter is the common name?
kakobrekla: the hell that is < ill tell if noone figures it out
nubbins`: thestringpuller fun
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ben_vulpes: another thousand plus line day
mike_c: idk what the hell that is, but it looks cool.
thestringpuller: I wouldn't be surprised if the price shot up to 700 for one day.
mircea_popescu: "how i challenged buffett and won millions in the process"
davout: asciilifeform: "the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured." <<< doesn't the whole thing work that way because you can't request peers to give you blocks matching a certain height in their chain?
mircea_popescu: "and i'm going to take two weeks of and carry on regardless, because the "all" on the field was really nothing at all."
mircea_popescu: "Like so many of you, Paul and I have left everything on the field. We have given our all to this campaign. I so wish that I had been able to fulfill your hopes to lead this country in a different direction, but the nation chose another leader."
mircea_popescu: by next year it's going to be completely gone, and the muppets ready to be sent against a wall again.
assbot: The story behind Mitt Romney’s loss in the presidential campaign to President Obama - News Politics President - Boston.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1BA1L9a )
mircea_popescu: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/president/2012/12/23/the-story-behind-mitt-romney-loss-the-presidential-campaign-president-obama/2QWkUB9pJgVIi1mAcIhQjL/story.html
mircea_popescu: all that article needed was a thick red "Idiot who was going to make the first best and greatest election website. He failed."
mircea_popescu: al gore, after being a total muppet, did he go commit sepukku quietly somewhere ? nope, still there, still doing substantiall the same thing. romney, after his beyond ludicrous failure with his "super duper website' thigee, did he quit ? nope... still there.
mircea_popescu: if so, then he's with souflakis.
mircea_popescu: you can distinguish the usg agents from the random muppet by this simple pretense : once gavin's ideas are crushed in the open, does he continue as if nothing happened ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now it's the best heuristic.
asciilifeform: trezor news << For the love of god, Montrezor!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'orphans' thing will have to be cured.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the kills take longer and longer to recover from as the thing gets fatter
asciilifeform: 9 oomkills over the night.
thestringpuller: aka the GE Reveal marketing campaign :P
mircea_popescu: at least before getting a fucking alternative up and running. like the "white" walls that are just about puke gray.
mircea_popescu: who knew the web SUCKED
mircea_popescu: hory shit i like assbot. curl http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/felipelalli an' there you go.
thestringpuller: their*
assbot: You rated user felipelalli on 21-Jan-2015, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: has a very strange idea of when it's time to talk..
thestringpuller: Except when someone who doesn't deserve money wins, and then you find them in a ditch somewhere with 5 needles in there arm and a crack pipe in their mouth.
mircea_popescu: i guess scratch lottery is the way to beat zuck.
thestringpuller: "I wrote Facebook in the course of a few weeks," said Mark Zuckerberg. The site now "worth" billions, concludes socialisms last stand against its inevitable erosion from humanity.
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mircea_popescu: then the discussions re meatpacking yest. "why are landlords slumming them up ?" "because they're basically sheep ?"
lobbes: mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. << gubment teat, of course
mircea_popescu: how they expect to stay fed and warm is beyond comprehension. but they do so expect.
mircea_popescu: davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself << there's an entire generation of fucktards who pretty much run on this software with little else.
mircea_popescu: mats: i have always suspected slush is an idiot << in fairness, i think his involvement with this was more in the lines of typical forum scams (name lending - btw, always a bad idea)
mircea_popescu: "so derps beat you to market ? that's ok, give them half a year they'll hang themselves."
mircea_popescu: long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.
davout: the "you're mean to me makes me want to take the opposite view" is pretty priceless in itself
davout: mats: "i think so, slush says something incomprehensible about a fork" <<< they seem to have the same problem in -dev
nubbins`: do the chinese guys have a github?
nubbins`: "we know it won't solve the problem, but a huge FUCK YOU to our customers will discourage competitors from messing with us again"
mats: " we're aware that this won't stop Chinese to copy our product, but this step gives a sign that we're not happy with it. This is more about a moral urge to their customers."
assbot: Theophilus London - Tribe (NGHTMRE Remix) by NGHTMRE - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1uEIDSB )
davout: fluffypony: medium-kek, the previous one you posted was top-kek tho
phillipsjk: Google,s fibre offering annoys me for several reasons. 1. No servers. 2. They request detail GIS images from municipalities, but only give back "as build" diagrams in PDF format for "proprietary reasons"
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phillipsjk: it was not unuseable or anything. Logging into the router from my Pentium-II (using X forwarding) was *way* more painful.
phillipsjk: I found the attacker were enough to slow down the router. (Loading the web interface takes a while while under attack)
nubbins`: $27usd incl. shipping to the great white north(east)
nubbins`: fiber to the door = ntb
phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P
phillipsjk: The second time (when I reconnected my router after the attack dropped to ~12kiB/s) the ICMP packets were making up about 0.9% of the packets.
phillipsjk: It is a UDP fragment flood lasting about 30 minutes. about 0.3% of the packets were ICMP messages. Not sure if they are looking for "no route to host" from an intermediate router or what.
phillipsjk: OK, I got more data on the DDOS
mircea_popescu: the very dangerous terrorists of not particularly.
mircea_popescu: buncha derps in there nobody knows what to do with anyway
mircea_popescu: actually... i doubt obama would mind giving it to them, provided the cia etc still gets to use it.
mats: maybe the americans will cover utilities
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc. << i recall that. i also recall thinking "gee whiz, what a pointless thing nukes actually are."
mircea_popescu: The Post Recommends: Remember Russia? Its still doomed.
mircea_popescu: not like i import the usual sort of teledildonics / ipads
mircea_popescu: and if custom guy wants to steal the thing to run his own node i dun mind lol.
asciilifeform: when they don't grow little legs at customs office
asciilifeform: i'd still rather eat actual food and have to import gizmos, than vice-versa
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 2 months and 19 days. Estimated cost today: 8.08122669 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
mircea_popescu: you'll be easy to pick up in the airport. "fetch me the guy that's inside a pile of boxes"
asciilifeform: we can always do a build for whatever nas-gizmotron -is- available down there.
mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.
gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I honestly at first though cazalla was making too much of this until... Rozal fabircated theft allegations against cazalla, which he would later confess to only when caught in a lie.
asciilifeform: because, apparently, no man alive can derive them again
asciilifeform: according to that pile of shit on cryptome, the 'bugs' were mainly omissions of component values in an analogue circuit.
mircea_popescu: maybne the proper term is "parentless"
asciilifeform: again, reminder for readers, these are -not- orphan blocks in the sense of 'orphaned transactions' and dead tree branches
mircea_popescu: mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed." << not really fixed in any sense. just, counter-kludged.
mircea_popescu: Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days << o boy.
assbot: This alleged Russian spy ring was interested in some very dangerous things - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDKV4m )
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/27/this-alleged-russian-spy-ring-was-interested-in-some-very-dangerous-things/?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_2 << in other news, 'oh noez, wreckerz!'
asciilifeform: m the chapter at issue and had a motive to discuss his clandestine work. They argued that the book which suggested that the secret operation might actually have helped further Irans nuclear research was somewhat inaccurate and that it cast Sterling as a hero and the CIA as hapless.'
asciilifeform: 'The case against Sterling was largely circumstantial there were no recorded phone conversations or captured e-mail exchanges that show that he leaked classified information to Risen and that required prosecutors to delve deeply into Sterlings work and the details of Risens book. By prosecutors account, Sterling was the only potential source who had a relationship with Risen, knew all of the information fro
BingoBoingo: I recall in middle and High School dod.gov hosting some rather complete plans plainly on the public web because of FOIA which have since been memory holed
asciilifeform: the farce was made public some time around '06, iirc.
asciilifeform: (they're on 'cryptome')
asciilifeform: usg ended up grudgingly trotting out all of the original documents proving that every word was true
asciilifeform: this was leaked by the fella in that picture
asciilifeform: he did not know the bugs were deliberate... promptly fixed.
asciilifeform: the latter decided it was fit for disinfo use, and sent ru chump to iran to sell it
asciilifeform: (cia told them nothing)
asciilifeform: monkeys puttered around for an entire quarter and fixed one of the half dozen or so deliberate mistakes
asciilifeform: but they shelved it, for later
assbot: Former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling convicted in leak case - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJVgr )
asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-in-cia-leak-trial-of-jeffrey-sterling/2015/01/26/db819f78-a57c-11e4-a7c2-03d37af98440_story.html?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Barrel is almost always the or a limiting factor
assbot: The Islamic State’s Dragunov sniper rifles, in photos - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDJLpv )
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/01/28/the-islamic-states-dragunov-sniper-rifles-in-photos/?tid=hybrid_alt1_strip_1
BingoBoingo: Thanks to the coal mining that happened
BingoBoingo: Here there tends to be a divide amongst neighborhoods capable of basements and undermined areas where basement might lead to extra unfinished floorspace.
asciilifeform: with the one habitable 10 sq. m. or so, converted into a toilet and gigantic bathtub
asciilifeform: sinking into the earth
asciilifeform: as in, put a marble on the floor and it will roll.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there was also a memorable house that wasn't level.
assbot: French prisons, long hotbeds of radical Islam, get new scrutiny after Paris attacks - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDIzSY )
asciilifeform: there was propeller
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: found it! turns out, these were called 'floor furnace'.
asciilifeform: but still there, on account of no one having paid to have it cut with torches and removed
asciilifeform: enormous propeller inside, and diesel oil tank on other end of room.
asciilifeform: these are normal forced air furnaces
mod6: but apparently you have to be in the src dir to execute the `make -f makefile.unix` successfully.
mod6: damn. literally on the last step here.
BingoBoingo: The world does not merely exist in the present as people fretting about future memory exhaustion demonstrate.
mike_c: i was not careful. question that will be potentially answered: was that the only thing bloating the memory as we stroll from block 150k to 300k.
gribble: You rated user Rozal on Mon Jan 19 12:09:29 2015, with a rating of -10, and supplied these additional notes: Fabricated theft allegations http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_allegation Confessed http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2015#983318 Full Indictment http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/Rozal_Indictment.
mike_c: ok, took out the memory caching of orphans. i'll leave it running overnight and see what the memory looks like in the morning.
mod6: on the last part...
asciilifeform: just picture the sizzling iron, 'S' for sp4mz0r, ...
asciilifeform: not the idiot american marketing term
asciilifeform: if there's one thing ancient wots had over ours, it was branding.
Rozal: Anyways, I think the matter is closed and I don't wish to create more drama
cazalla: fucking cunt put a dent in the first day of my holiday
asciilifeform: and (at least presently) the white kidz can't be placed just anywhere
mike_c: so the "fix" was to limit the # of orphan blocks to 750. if that size is exceeded, delete random orphan block from the pool as long as it has no other orphans depending on it.
BingoBoingo uses the traditional vitamin H, haloperidol as an example not pop culture Horse drug
BingoBoingo: Either that or good old vitamin H
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asciilifeform: why the fuck does it even fetch block n when n-1 is not present ?
mike_c: "Since 0.9.0 the number of orphan blocks that is stored has been restricted, so this immediate issue should be fixed."
asciilifeform: aside from the twirly-knobs
asciilifeform: decimation: with the disappearance of forced use of tape to push the requisite bit heaps, no longer any reason for dedicated 'video computer'
Rozal: No worries, I'm here to listen and participate. I used to trade assets in the btct days
BingoBoingo: Rozal: Still neither removing my rating or engaging you in private discussion... ever
decimation: just because one edits videos on a computer doesn't the same hardware must also be used to surf the web
BingoBoingo: For music there are dedicated machines. Just... when composing writing to staff paper analogue and playing back is a huge timesaver when getting the headmusic out.
decimation: video editing may be, but there are plenty of perfectly functional music typesetting add-ons for TeX
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Music typesetting, Video editting, and other hobby pursuits tend to be adventures that lock people into Winshit or Mac shit for too long
BingoBoingo: <lobbes> decimation: worse is the kids today growing up with iTurds attached to their hands << Or people who because of persistent other interest feel themselves trapped in "consumer" platform
decimation feels sorry for kids who grew up with the internet and guis
asciilifeform: who remembers the finnish ftp search engine?
mircea_popescu: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net << so as the trafic grows, the women and aa demographics continue to shrink.
asciilifeform: the bright things - vanished
asciilifeform: the evil things of that time - all are still there, in some zombie form (aol, yahoo, microshit)
asciilifeform: decimation: i admit to having been mildly surprised to learn today that ftp.cdrom.com vanished years ago. i sorta expected some shrivelled, mummufied husk to still be there.
asciilifeform: autoconf, what a sad joke. so often dwarfs the proggy it's distributed with!
asciilifeform: of the time.
asciilifeform: as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases << gnu autoconf is the culprit 99%
mircea_popescu: foundation definitely going the right path.
mike_c: i absolutely love how little code there is and how fast it built. feels right, as opposed to monstrous build process for recent codebases.
mike_c: and the script could only be run once because it fails if it doesn't import the 3 keys, which only happens the first itme you run it
mike_c: had to manual download and dpkg the libdb4.8 packages
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dishonestly is by now so much the way of life in the us that no sane businessman intending to sell slum dwellings can possibly proceed in any other manner than by pretending it's low density.
mike_c: only couple minor mods to the foundation script were needed
asciilifeform: the latter, in the initial designs are laughably low-density - but can always be packed tighter.
asciilifeform: from my understanding, u.s. civilian real estate chumpmeisters are split into two camps - the optimists, who intend to buy the old folks' homes using 'reverse mortgages' - pensions, appealing to folks with destroyed or absent savings, which bargain away the property - and then sell them back to young chumps;
asciilifeform: ~= 'think of this sinking titanic as increasing potential! when it hits the bottom of the sea, it will inevitably bounce up, with such strength that it will fly to the moon !111!'
asciilifeform: 'Right now, the U.S. household formation rate (essentailly the pace at which people, typically young adults, are moving out on their own) is incredibly low. When it speeds up, you'll see more demand for housing, and the things that come along with it, like appliances, furniture, televisions, and so forth. So, you know, just think of this graph as increasing potential.' << mega-lol!
BingoBoingo: Note in the slate article the differential between Boys and Girls moving back in with the parents. A surprising part of the differential is girls moving in with the boy's parents.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up << the same 8 to an initially clean hotel room to them counts as luxury
mircea_popescu: then one goes into their dwellings, and understands why catered rubber chicken is a step up
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But they all have CentiPads
mircea_popescu: one has trouble comprehending why the "conferences" are so exciting
asciilifeform: it was surreal, seeing how these folks each live in room the size of toilet in my old flat
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> blowing through a grate in floors one and two << Rather common in the middle west in houses converted from boiler radiator arrangement to "central heat"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i wasn't thinking of subleasing them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now tell me that taking the whole raft/8pack of dumbass chickies on a dogfoot pellets / leather belts and canes diet isn't somnething THEY should pay you for.
asciilifeform: something quite like a jet engine, mounted in the cellar
asciilifeform: it had the oddest heater i've ever seen
asciilifeform: they 'which room'
asciilifeform: owner introduces, says, 'this fella wants the place'
mircea_popescu: you know, the "silicon valley"
mircea_popescu: let us now wonder and inquire and soulsearch as to why-oh-why tuberculosis, syphilis and lice are on the raise in san francisco
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You only get converted victorian houses there because your region has a history of being populated.
mircea_popescu: clearly, the rich are very very affraid of this scum.
asciilifeform: i saw the insides of a few, when peeking around to rent a house last year
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Happens here too. Also common are parents who overbought house a decade ago apportioning space to their adult spawn to use as residence. One family I know Daughter has upstairs, son basement, deedholders floor 1. Much of their subdivisions households have similarly organized.
mircea_popescu: clearly the american dream has won out : they live now like the romanian girls i used to fuck in the 80s.
asciilifeform: that great invention, communal flat, has won over the americans.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the town where i live is being slowly converted into gigantic sov-style communal flats (officially, 'student housing', in practice - they will live their whole lives therein)
assbot: Millennials living with parents: We just can't leave the nest apparently ... ( http://bit.ly/1wCDYAl )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Slate is conviced housing will boost Merica's economy instead of America's housing customs coalescing into multi-generational domiciles common in much of the unbezzel'd world http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/01/28/millennials_living_with_parents_we_just_can_t_leave_the_nest_apparently.html
asciilifeform: i'm assuming everybody else here who read the thing, was stumped similarly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oyu don't understand how the world works!!1
asciilifeform: and wtf is with the two entirely disjoint concepts named 'orphan'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "I write about finance for Institutional Investor and sport and other stuff for The Guardian. In January I'll be directing @dissrupt2015."
asciilifeform: hence the nondeterminism. the blocks arrive in braindamaged order and are not sorted in any intelligent way
asciilifeform: re: mapOrphanBlocks: there is some confusion of terminology in the source. the orphan blocks in question are not the orphan blocks spoken of usually (i.e. blocks on dead ends of the tree) but rather any block for which the antecedent is not yet loaded by the node
BingoBoingo: Look at the bug wandering into future amber https://twitter.com/aarontimms/status/560460331097792512
BingoBoingo: I might have. If I did it was prolly the rum fountain episode that so enamoured TheNewDeal
mircea_popescu: (it's almost exactly the same, minus the exact cutouts - much like the recent "3d fad" is exactly the 80s same thing, rehashed"