mircea_popescu: there was recently a problem with a nsa infiltration that's still being "investigated".
cjc: Channel population hasn't changed too dramatically in the last decade in #gentoo where I spend most of my time.
cjc: I do not believe there would be a problem soliciting donations from users who find this the place to host their projects and to meet and talk with others about the same.
cjc: Frankly, Freenode would be akin to one of the last standing freenets of the early 90s. If there was ever a problem with regard to insufficient support for the network monetarily --
cjc: Its not really held up to the focus as established, perhaps due to insufficient moderation or self enforcement.
cjc: We now find many more casual users with a "multi-chat" Facebook type desire to use the network.
cjc: There were developers here and like minded people seeking collaboration.
mircea_popescu: meant more like over the past half decade.
cjc: mircea_popescu, The node I connect to in Chicago has been down inconveniently quite a bit in 2014, morgan.freenode.net. My observation of #freenode staffer availability in the past two months has been it is hit or miss for new users requesting cloaks and such.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo that is actually the theory i've "come up with" myself. << I've accepted that the American conditioning to remove all the flavors if it isn't explicitly done to cultivate stupid, continues with stupid accepted as a positive side effect.
cjc: ben_vulpes, This article and the comments and links within it. -> http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: interesting hypothesis
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> i do so love nasty stinky cheeses << Hypothesis, functionally smarter people prefer cheese with more smell because it indicates the presence of more, varied catecholamine precursors the brain craves.
ben_vulpes: cjc: there's also log.bitcoin-assets.com
cjc: Figured the discussions herein may be worth my idling.
cjc: Thanks for the voice -- managed to discover this channel while reading an article critical of increasing the block size.
ben_vulpes: i sent one of the guys out to get me a cheese yesterday. "cheddar, sharp, really solid, aged."
thestringpuller: This is gonna be some ride for the folks back in 3rd class.
thestringpuller: It's like trying to replace the wheels on an old steam engine that's still running.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Tell then their link doesn't work. A url encased in parenthesis can not be clicked.
thestringpuller: one of them iirc was "Gavin Proposes Pooping Out New Fork"
thestringpuller: haha cazalla and i spitballed for hours on the title XD
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thestringpuller: theymos!!!
mircea_popescu: heh. the first part is true, obviously. not so sure about the 2nd. bitcoin is after all based on drama and lulz.
mircea_popescu: "Now i see. Gavin announced chaos and drama to the press because he himself intends to create it. He gets a 30% veto and still wants to proceed. It's gonna rip. I just switched to Litecoin."
mircea_popescu: definitely lost: 22,000 bytes in 250 blocks indirectly lost: 360,903 bytes in 10 blocks possibly lost: 90,514,354 bytes in 256 blocks 115,924,858 bytes in 450,368 blocks << this is the fucking sorriest report, like it's cs 101 over here.
asciilifeform: remove all the intermediate crap and post output from fresh run
asciilifeform: did you create the latter ?
asciilifeform: second - were you using the build script exactly as given ?
punkman: "open source as long as the chinese don't copy it"
assbot: Ask HN: Someone raised money by claiming my project as their own | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIHy3s )
asciilifeform: in other news,
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: doesn't really cover the apparently epic dependency graph of btcd
asciilifeform: the solution to turdlangs is, to crib from clinton era anti-dope slogan, 'be smart - don't start'
ben_vulpes: i'm no expert with their ecosystem, so i may be doing it wrong.
asciilifeform: and if interests of vendor conflict with yours in any way, the conflict will be subtly and perfidiously resolved in favour of vendor
asciilifeform: 'golang' is in the same league as apple's 'darwin' unix kernel. a whole zoological kingdom of pseudo-open, where, yes, theoretically you can read source, but it is not -for you-
fluffypony: don't you just run Go apps, without precompiling them?
asciilifeform: worm tale << see also short story 'the moral virologist' (greg egan)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: More the sort of necessary evil that would need invented.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I don't really know men's tennis. Kind of a sport for the girlies.
mats: mr magic is worried about being gassed by agents of the enemy
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm still all time +ev against serena, but it always stings losing in the now. Nice Shitbrain worm >> Ascaris cerebrofoetida
asciilifeform: 'So, I have a question - why do we need such an OPEN technologies, that can be BLOCKED tomorrow? Today - it's me, but who knows what will happen tomorrow, and which countries or companies will decide to block their, so called open, tools that you use.'
mircea_popescu: o wow check out all the s.mpoe action
cazalla: clearly you've never heard the saying "always bet on black"
punkman: he's talking about the open source stuff
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/third-pass-addressing-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, the march fork yielded a lot of that too
BingoBoingo: jurov> i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre << Same here
asciilifeform: interestingly, this did not kill the process
jurov: i guess b-a bash needs american( or america-culture-aware) moderator then. i found midnightmagic's utterance only slightly bizarre
mats: The reddit wallet, should it have existed, had absolutely enormous potential. The goal was to make it really easy for redditors to have and transact in digital assets, particularly bitcoin, dogecoin, and reddit notes, as well as any other assets using whatever protocol we ultimately used for reddit notes (probably colored coins or sidechains).
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zIyjAo )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-worm/
mircea_popescu: a more laughably clear cut of usg-ism i've never seen, and it's utter defeat and public ridicule will do a lot not only to preserve bitcoin as "the noose that hangs the usg", but moreover as a focal point for all people who would rather live an actual life.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gavin andresen is unchangeably biased against solutions that preserve scarcity semantics. <<< that's not even it. a princeton graduate that lives in amherst mass and has suckled the usg privilege tit all his life to the exclusion of anything else is going to make it so we can't verify bitcoin transactions or integrity anymore in order to "save africa" by allowing them microtransactions they don't either nee
mircea_popescu: jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise << i thought it was pretty funny.
ben_vulpes: for some reason the "upload a public key" feature for aws has gone missing.
mats: get in the wot, yo.
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jurov: unless kakobrekla decides otherwise
jurov: midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: i don't see the bash as place to put mollification statements, they need to be funnier. it's in the log already, just have the url handy at all times
pete_dushenski: the leaders will not be nice just because of feelings
pete_dushenski: In some situations, ruthlessness may be necessary. “To be prime minister, you can’t be namby pamby – you need to cut corners and hurt people, and even be nasty to achieve your moral causes,” he says. After all, the dark personalities often have the impulse and the confidence to get things done –even Mother Theresa apparently had a steely side, he says. “You’re not going to help
pete_dushenski: “Human society is so complex that there are different ways of enhancing your reproductive success – some involve being nice and some being nasty,”
pete_dushenski: and as home simpson once said, "this is the snack holder where i can put my beverage, or, if you will, cupcake
mircea_popescu: as george costanza once said, "if there's a pinhead in the crowd, i gotta be on top of it"
mircea_popescu: it's shocking how the stupidest of european peoples managed to steal and run off with the stupidest corner of jewish religion
mircea_popescu: but honestly, either beats the english "if you ever enjoy anything you will die" nonsense.
mircea_popescu: obviously, there can only be one.
mircea_popescu: more like "the right way to treat neurosis with home remedies"
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nevertheless, examine teh devices side by side. muslim boy is like "you must wear the tablecloth on your head lest there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head". jew boy is like "mom you must not be disappointed in me or else there's weird stuff that scares me going on in my head"
pete_dushenski: the efforts of moslems maybe "clearly doesn't work" at the superficial intention, but it seems to be successful a recruiting new folks
mircea_popescu: anyway, to save teh noobs : in no case am i proposing that the bizarro atrocities of the muslims, stereotypically grouped above under " stoning innocent girls in the road" are an effectual approach to the problem [of overrepresentation of woman in their own mental space]. it clearly doesn't work, but then again it's clearly what they're trying. and obviously it's not the god damned women's fault that dudes are all hang
pete_dushenski: the term: stereotype
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ? << which term ? and nah, it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol the narrator makes it
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the problems of the stereotypical jew : same problem as shared by all middle eastern cultures, from bulgaria to iran : that the woman is overimportant in the culture. unlike the other eastern cultures however, the jew has very little means to address this problem. can't quite start stoning innocent girls in the road.
pete_dushenski: so how does titling an article "the problems of stupid people" circumvent this term of art ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, stereotypy's mostly a literary device. the poor man's term of art, if you will.
mircea_popescu: she dun has to be surrounded by friends, heck, she's often alone, protected by the magic of her idiot ball
mircea_popescu: there's a lot more to it than that. big boobs, tall, a certain mouth shape...
mircea_popescu: even if they're both meaningful constructions, they're not both stereotypical constructions. a good test being, of course, translation.
mircea_popescu: see, there's a stereotype of a dumb blonde, there isn't a stereotype of a hot blonde.
mircea_popescu: nah, there's no stereotype of stupidity.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's a point i suppose. but "stupid people" are subject to the same
mircea_popescu: how the hell are you going to discuss "jews" unstereotypically.
pete_dushenski: i get the stereotype: naggy and whatnot
mircea_popescu: also, the problem of jooz is very simple :
Vexual: so where drowned is the same as drowning, we might ise 1/30 s and the smallest apeture, an da neutral filer to suit
assbot: Mark_Karpeles_ comments on The Emperor is Buttnaked (BTC block size discussion with Gavin) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HwbzqW )
pete_dushenski: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2t7k6w/the_emperor_is_buttnaked_btc_block_size/cnwhzlv
pete_dushenski: but hey, gotta expect it from the fbi, right?
pete_dushenski: i mean it's one thing to keep an old lady company for a few years, take her to dinner, to the doctor's, end up in her will
mircea_popescu: then completely insane commanding officers fail to sack them and completely insane judges fail to throw the thing out and hold the idiots in contempt for a few years at a stretch.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski this scam pops up now and again, the sort of salesmen that poach on old ladies selling them 55's years worth of toilet paper supplies and 19 organs join the fbi and proceed to "catch" old / mentally disabled / minorities and other vulnerable people at you know, trying to buy badbombium
pete_dushenski: Pedro Leonardo Mascheroni, 79, a physicist and naturalized citizen from Argentina, pleaded guilty in 2013 to espionage-related offenses stemming from a sting in which he told an undercover agent that he could help the Caracas government obtain an atomic bomb, according to the F.B.I. and court records.
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:30:10; hanbot: friendly reminder to not go to the library horny: http://www.inquisitr.com/1802797/kendra-sunderland-admits-to-filming-library-sex-video/
pete_dushenski: it's where the brain is bigger, not just that it's bigger, that's differentiating
pete_dushenski: right. size isn't the difference.
pete_dushenski: it's not at all clear that larger brains are the function of a social behaviour, nor why they should be
mircea_popescu: for that matter, brain size per se is not well related to energetic consumption, nor to cognitive function for that matter. whales have some of the largest brains in the animalia kingdom, and somehow they're not writing stupid papers about 15yo virgin prisses.
mircea_popescu: so... this guy is discussing interesting and otherwise important matters with all the astuteness of a virgin 15 yo girl from nantucket.
pete_dushenski: Brains are hungry organs, demanding 20 times more calories than a similar piece of muscle. Only with a steady supply of energy-rich meat, Dr. Opie suggests, were we able to evolve big brains — and all the mental capacities that come with it.
mircea_popescu: as far as the fabled 17% strictly monogamous cultures go... i very much doubt this ever happened. no culture in history was strictly monogamous for a strict definition of strictly.
pete_dushenski: The extra supply of protein and calories that human children started to receive is widely considered a watershed moment in our evolution. It could explain why we have brains far bigger than other mammals.
pete_dushenski: In our own lineage, however, fathers went further. They had evolved the ability to hunt and scavenge meat, and they were supplying some of that food to their children. “They may have gone beyond what is normal for monogamous primates,” said Dr. Opie.
pete_dushenski: Once a monogamous primate father starts to stick around, he has the opportunity to raise the odds that his offspring will survive. He can carry them, groom their fur and protect them from attacks.
pete_dushenski: “Once monogamy has evolved, then male care is far more likely,” Dr. Opie said.
pete_dushenski: lol but of course, the retardosearchers go on to make unwarranted conclusions:
mircea_popescu: there's probably a population somewhere in history that actually reproduced by flies carring sperm from splooge puddles into fetid snatches.
pete_dushenski: “The human mating system is extremely flexible,” Bernard Chapais of the University of Montreal wrote in a recent review in Evolutionary Anthropology. Only 17 percent of human cultures are strictly monogamous. The vast majority of human societies embrace a mix of marriage types, with some people practicing monogamy and others polygamy.
pete_dushenski: thankfully, the number of people have inflated too
mircea_popescu: is now the problem, to be definitivel solved by inflation and loose money.
mircea_popescu: austerity, the definitive solution to all the problems caused by inflation and loose money
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "economy", another us pseudoscience, has made shocking progress the past 20 years :
mircea_popescu: "The astonishing truth is that despite millions of dollars and hundreds of academic careers psychiatry has made no progress in almost 20 years, let alone ten, a claim no other medical specialty can make, and the truth which cannot be spoken out loud. Hence an exam."
BingoBoingo: Perlboy: Yeah, that's some bullshit. My Money's on Sharapova now, just enough to wipe the previous loss if wins.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just noticed that serena is through to the finals
mircea_popescu: just the lulzof "you are finished". the unintentional open mouth insert foot style of prose.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ? << wHERE?
mircea_popescu: lmao this is the eve online "protection" scam irl ?! by teenagers with about the same linguistic ability ?
pete_dushenski: but clearly the supermagickuserfriendly core is a turd so i might as well just go for the real deal
pete_dushenski: then it shut itself down
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 03:13:36; mircea_popescu: something simple like, "whenever a parentless block is handed over the retaining of which would cause memory pool for holding parentless blocks to be overrun, a) drop the handed block ; b) close the connection and ban that peer for half hour ; c) discard all chains of parentless blocks longer than six items ; d) connect again"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: would be more economical to simply chop the connection << yup, that's why b) is in http://log.b-a.link/?date=31-01-2015#999477
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you feel like testing a 3rd approach, can you look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski well the nuclear solution is wipe chain start sync over.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the resolution to safe mode being ... ?
pete_dushenski: still loading the chain actually. 2 days later at block : 322082
pete_dushenski: that was the error msg from my toy vps node running 0.9.0.3
midnightmagic: trinque: I'm not from the US, dumbass.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> a sent you an email or something? << They indeed did
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Only listened because they were straight forward and not passive aggressive this time.
cazalla: for anyone not in the know, BingoBoingo's work was born of google complaining about our mobile site
pete_dushenski: "errors" : "Warning: The network does not appear to fully agree! Some miners appear to be experiencing issues." << huh
BingoBoingo: The whole site even validates as latest greatest while still working on actual browsers http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#
BingoBoingo: For the next time I have to link someone the stylesheet because they don't believe it exists.
BingoBoingo: And the menus go to full width when kicked to the bottom on the mobile stuff. Iteration...
pete_dushenski: ya i suppose the fonts are a little different
BingoBoingo: Hey, pete_dushenski You given the new look Qntra a try?
BingoBoingo: I just can't wait for someone to dig up the shoop in 2 years and be like "Qntra advertised GAW" which will of course be refuted by the lol'ing here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If he actually dicked with the precarious balance where we don't look like shit on mobile... I'da had some stronger words
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He shooped it. Mock up of how we'd look decked out like some other sites...
mircea_popescu: <trinque> what's the opposite of eugenics? << cacogenics i'd imagine.
asciilifeform: don't need to install anything but the compiler & associated binutils.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: see http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000033.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: didja miss the part about -cross- compiling
BingoBoingo: trinque: There is an adspace we tested before. Just a square in the sidebar. The right offer could either get it back or banish it for some time.
BingoBoingo: Well it demonstrates there is space.
BingoBoingo: The greatest crime of American cheese is that it is radically overpriced as a nutritional measure of last resort.
trinque: anyone who thinks that's food is being slowly turned into a subspecies over the generations
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cruft | cruft. 1. The dust that gathers underneath a bed, 2. Shoddily constructed or made, 3. Bad code, 4. Accumulated physical or virtual junk. Jim had to spend several ...
trinque: what's the opposite of eugenics?
decimation: I prefer a good sharp cheddar from the southwest uk
decimation: therefore may contain MPC."
decimation: "In 2002, the FDA issued a Warning Letter to Kraft that Velveeta was being sold with packaging that described it as a "Pasteurized Process Cheese Spread",[8] which the FDA claimed was misbranded because the product declared milk protein concentrate (MPC) in its ingredients listing. Velveeta is now sold in the US as a "Pasteurized Prepared Cheese Product",[9] a term for which the FDA does not maintain a standard of identity, and which
asciilifeform: through childhood habit, brain damage, or some other cause
asciilifeform: i was having this dispute with pet not long ago. whether anyone voluntarily eats synthetic cheese
mircea_popescu: i personally loathe labels and take them off pretty much everything, but apparently the converse mental condition also exists.
mircea_popescu: but notice the guy who essentially says, "i can not eat this butter because it doesn't come in a properly labelled box"
decimation: in theory, a libertarian is in favor of freedom from the state, but in practice they generally find themselves to be enslaved by statist liberals
asciilifeform: at least half the time - 'zeus' et al.
asciilifeform: 80-90% of what i saw was a variation on some very tired theme.
decimation: asciilifeform: do you (safely) examine the various malware turds that end up in your domain mailbox?
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Actually I dunno how to fill those spaces. I just made em. No idea how to fill them.
cazalla: BingoBoingo has made room for adverts on the left/right side of qntra so we're ready for gaw miners adverts though
mircea_popescu: cazalla you folks got one of these ?
mircea_popescu: "Hello, My name is Manikanteswar, Business Executive Media Buying for Capslock Digital Solutions Pvt Ltd (www.capslocknetwork.com), one of the biggest upcoming Ad Network in the Industry. I'm contacting you as we are looking for inventory like yours and we are ready to discuss the terms of a very profitable partnership. "
asciilifeform ^ has bag of these
asciilifeform realized that BingoBoingo could actually get vga on that thing, if he wanted, using one of the ubiquitous usb2 framebuffer boxes
BingoBoingo: I have not tried it, but it seems like the most computer you can get for the equivalent of a fifth of Evan Williams
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think the girl contributing to the computer community over at best buy would go "do you want good or do you want pretty ?"
asciilifeform: do they still have those.
mircea_popescu: the logic of logical logicians, also internet economists and generally stupid fat people.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Their optimal solution was actually using Western Union and him buying BTC in Russia where the liwuidity is
mircea_popescu: i dunno, how about the wife starts camming ?
decimation: what about the poor russian family who was trying to move 50 bux?
mircea_popescu: if the world were signficiantly impacted by people whose choices are governed by the difference between 4 bux and "pennies", we could just burn it, for it failed.
mircea_popescu: "If bitcoin costs 4 dollars to teleport "virtual gold" , I'm going to switch to an alt that can allow me to teleport another form of "virtual gold" for a couple pennies."
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX << The Inclusive not *nix
mircea_popescu: is it perhaps because the path of evil is really quite narrow ? funel shaped at first, line thin six months later ?
cazalla: i guess OP might've locked the first one but who really knows
cazalla: aaand gavin appears in the new blocksize thread after previous one was locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=941331.msg10315826#msg10315826
asciilifeform: as with many idiocies, this one may be approaching 'parody event horizon' where the reality is not readily distinguishable from the spoof world
mircea_popescu: where was that bit about ls implementations that take less than half the ram are fat shaming and therefore not allowed ?
mircea_popescu: maybe they should want really hard for fread to act differently ?
mircea_popescu: decimation> I guess. Like is he literally comparing fread(20MB) vs 20x fread(1MB)? << the guy's technical incompetence is not just amusing in itself,
BingoBoingo: I believe the technical term is "Circlejerk" as in formally with a bunch of fellows sitting around a bottle of lube they all Herp their Derp
mircea_popescu: if they don't... many.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> "makes me want to" clearly the intensity of desire is related to the effectuality of results.
asciilifeform: laugh if you will, but i'm still trying to apprehend what it is 'most people' actually -do- with their time
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But using legs option for the book budget costs time other wise spent in the Herp pile
decimation: they are 'too expensive', and generally disfavored over other 'media' and 'meeting spaces'
Apocalyptic: <cazalla> wow, they fkn locked the fork off thread because hey.. can't have actual blocksize increase discussion can you.. // this is outrageous, but not unexpected
asciilifeform: forget the source; evidently, books - do not exist
decimation: well, apparently no one can inspect anything at the layer below 'libc'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It used to be they couldn't fake as many
asciilifeform: assuming there was any actual comparison
BingoBoingo: Also for inquirers into the new qntra bsns http://validator.w3.org/unicorn/check?ucn_uri=qntra.net&doctype=Inline&charset=%28detect%20automatically%29&ucn_task=conformance#
asciilifeform: 'Gavin's testing of 20MB blocks shows that loading (disk io) for these is 4x faster than 20 1MB blocks.' << did someone actually make this argument ?
decimation: why didn't you bring your concerns to the community so they can try and find a solution together?