hanbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now.
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thestringpuller: Lol hanbot I got it, just didn't know this was the 90's high school mod6 attended :P
hanbot: mod6 gets the obscure references prize. clearly he is the best qualified here to be digging through the bitcoind
ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
ben_vulpes: what would it take to make a computer of the complexity of an amiga today?
thestringpuller: what is a chamberpothead?
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> [] That was in october! My long term memory can't be 100% #b-a logs. << pothead :P
hanbot: asciilifeform> http://starvingthemonkeys.com << mega-lol / what a we-evil
asciilifeform: http://starvingthemonkeys.com << mega-lol
asciilifeform: click on the links to previous posts, will find build instructions.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i can't speak for the other folks running pogos, but these are the two builds i was running: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000039.html
thestringpuller: was it the "portatronic" or what not you mentioned earlier (which I found in the logs)
thestringpuller: i meant the ver. of bitcoing running on it
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: factory pogo ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: searched the logs and can't find what version is running on the pogo :P
asciilifeform: 'The Court is frustrated by the prospect of deciding the current motions without full public disclosure of the Courts analysis and reasoning. However, it is a necessary by-product of the types of concerns raised by this case. Although partially not accessible to the Plaintiffs or the public, the record contains the full materials reviewed by the Court. The Court is persuaded that its decision is correct both legally and fac
asciilifeform: potential Fourth Amendment Claim would have to be dismissed on the basis that any possible defenses would require impermissible disclosure of state secret information.'
asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs could establish standing, a
asciilifeform: thestringpuller apparently does not read logs
kakobrekla: iirc mp commissioned that search via mthreat - seems the guy is in antarctica now or something, if someone wants to make a new search i can give you access to log api
asciilifeform: not only is it retarded, but it is actually very much a symbol of all of the evils we speak of here.
asciilifeform: and i assume that's what everyone else is doing to avoid using the retarded search
asciilifeform: the 'stemming' thing is retarded
thestringpuller: where is the romanian camel dude?
Apocalyptic: "Non systemd users and distros are quickly becoming a threat. The big bucks behind projects like systemd, pulseaudio, ahavi and, most recently, GNOME and KDE where very competent on training some great minds behind software development as puppets for their interests" sums it up pretty well
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cazalla: jurov, there were a couple of those today
Naphex: ben_vulpes: fixed it. thanks for the heads up o/
assbot: satoshi_pokemoto comments on The killer-if-you-don't-pay app for bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vEhpkV )
BingoBoingo: jurov: Hard to say they seem to be on to us https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2vhmy2/the_killerifyoudontpay_app_for_bitcoin/cohxlis
cazalla: "Officers found a hunting knife, a machete, a homemade Islamic State flag and a video recording featuring one of the men referring to committing a terrorist attack on Tuesday." ya hear that, homemade flags get ya arrested down under, best you get yours made in china
mircea_popescu: yet people still imagine that they can make a company out of a magic coder.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo right. anyone can code, not just anyone can take a list of prosepcts and ferret out the uncle sam agents in there.
BingoBoingo: NewLiberty: Prolly a honeypot being put up the feds hoping some other Darkmarket operator might be dumb enough to harvest it for leads
NewLiberty: DarkLeaks auction: SR 2.0 is one the Feds presumably don't have, yes? Will they use seized DPR bitcoin to buy it, then correlate with the SR 1.0 dataset they already have? Oh the drama...
BingoBoingo: It's so much fun, until you have to sort through the noiseholes
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That could work. What's the stake?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The could be a very great or very poor week for that. "infrastructure overhaul"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, i'd like to propose a gentleman's contest, for the "best ever usd will fail" paragraph.
assbot: First ever Dark Leaks auction: I was the lead programmer for Silk Road 2.0. ... ( http://bit.ly/16SzPCX )
NewLiberty: ben_vulpes> has the thing been debunked? /// That paper is not a good one. It assumes a model inconsistant with Bitcoin reality.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
assbot: There is nothing new in the world. Except for the history you didn't know. | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVpkZu )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/there-is-nothing-new-in-the-world-except-for-the-history-you-didnt-know/
mircea_popescu: and im making another one.
assbot: mattayes comments on I am David Boaz, Cato Institute EVP and author of The Libertarian Mind: A Manifesto for Freedom. AMA! ... ( http://bit.ly/1uDxk24 )
fluffypony: that exchange on the top comment is hilarious: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2vhlbd/i_am_david_boaz_cato_institute_evp_and_author_of/cohqfzo
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assbot: Economic Fallacies and the Block Size Limit, part 1: Scarcity | Bitcoinism | Liberty.me ... ( http://bit.ly/1DZGW7i )
coventry: Going to sleep now, but I have a question and will check up in the morning: I read the mpex.co FAQ, including #17. Why would someone pay 30 BTC to participate in this market?
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 22:50:25; cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date
BingoBoingo: A viewer complained that an episode of the animated childrens series Peppa Pig was inappropriate for an Australian audience because it said that spiders were not to be feared. >> http://about.abc.net.au/complaints/peppa-pig-received/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: the world wherein mircea_popescu's arranged for not only the rewrite of "gpg" but also "mavlink"
asciilifeform: to suppose that there is room in bezzle world for build quality is like imagining that there is room in the tardstalk phorum for honesty
ben_vulpes: i speak of the post-bezzle world.
asciilifeform: and other unspeakables on top.
asciilifeform: there's room in that budget for build quality << in the bezzle world, this is not what happens;
ben_vulpes: yup i'm right there with you
asciilifeform: like in the '60s
ben_vulpes: the point is an integer multiple of current costs.
ben_vulpes: yeah sure, bump the number up
asciilifeform: or what was mircea_popescu's point about the best kalash being sitting-far-from-the-war
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.
ben_vulpes: and deplete their wallets.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 19:18:23; mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file
ben_vulpes: the newest macbook air to hit the shop actually arrived with a slower (!) CPU than its predecessor.
ben_vulpes: this is a good thing because there's room in that budget for build quality.
ben_vulpes: the upside to this is that eventually the laptop market as we know it is going to disappear, and people who actually *use* computers will have to pay 10k each.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 17:51:37; thestringpuller: How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015042 << neutered combudders and preprogrammed "apps" are devouring the "laptop" market Apple built itself upon.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 16:46:25; thestringpuller: ;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015000 << you're the second nerdiest black guy i know
ben_vulpes: has the thing been debunked?
assbot: Nifty paper proving what we knew already: w/o a blocksize limit there's no PoW security -> death of Bitcoin. http://t.co/VPsgVkdzj9
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 11:40:01; mircea_popescu: when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014795 << and in the 40s whole orchestras practiced for 8 hours a day and gigged at the milongas later. tell me this world isn't poorer!
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cazalla: thestringpuller, mine is Violent Professional.. i like it :)
thestringpuller: decimation: you talking about the turbo diesal?
decimation: does the volvo 960 diesel have a diesel engine?
thestringpuller: yea. just the process of finding the beat is hard despite rarity. car dealings are always sketchy it seems on surface level.
pete_dus_: the right one will come along
thestringpuller: so pete_dus_ I'm trying to find the Volvo version of Saddam to buy
TheNewDeal: Biggest Dus in the Universe
pete_dus_: i'll be big someday and then you'll be sorry!
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pete_dus_: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "the -EV human quicly collapse towards zero." << quickly
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decimation: asciilifeform: http://dcist.com/2015/02/largest_flyover_in_dc_history.php << apparently on 8 May there is going to be a massive WWII aircraft flyover over the dc mall
hanbot: BingoBoingo "security-anihilating bugs on a yearly basis" > how about annihilating, then?
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pete_dus_: cazalla lol i missed the bomb threats!
decimation: because nobody got fired for being lame ? << yeah right up there with 'nobody got fired for buying ibm'
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's just coblee saying "a lot of the stuff we do at coinbase, we don't really think through"
decimation: asciilifeform: which robot vacuum doesn't work on the random walk?
decimation: obviously they suck at being apple, why not try something new?
decimation: "Walkley writes that his assessment of vendor data in smartphones suggests Apple, whose shares he rates a Buy, captured 93% of industry profits in Q4." << why are all of apple's competitors in the 'mobile market' simply trying to imitate apple?
cazalla: sounds reasonable eh "HSBC's economist Paul Bloxham reports average house prices are up 23 per cent in the last 2½ years and a whopping 33 per cent in Sydney, citing figures from RP Data CoreLogic."
mircea_popescu: one of the best parts of living in argentina ? you can have email exchanges with "don Pablo Picasso". literally.
asciilifeform: shitgnomes lie, lie, but that would be inconsequential if the lies did not also take the form of bogus code that supposedly functions, but go and try to replicate. not one thing in ten works as described or to spec.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: not so simple (doable, though) - it has to run from rom. you almost certainly must use 'buildroot.' i have a 'buildroot' config that grinds out a kernel and a userland, but said kernel fails to boot and produces no output to /dev/ttyS0 - despite being configured to do so. evidently the support for Marvell chips in the mainline 3.xx kernels is bogus.
asciilifeform: and before anyone asks, no, you can't automagically strip the crapolade away with a profiler. certain routines are quite legitimately there but are traversed infrequently (say, only when shutting down, or if disk is full, or a cable is unplugged, nuclear war has been declared, and so on.)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. <<< funny how much stock rms puts in the nude declaration, huh.
asciilifeform: it certainly cannot be accomplished by twiddling the usual config. there is crud in there by the megatonne, glued in with glass.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: and there is no practical way to separate the 'flies from the cutlets' here. who here has even 'tried' building a lin. kernel with -not one- driver for hardware you don't have or want?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: linux 2.6.x kernel is a mega-turd. and while there remains a single line therein which does not execute during the normal operation of bitcoind-on-pogo, i will maintain that this is true.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i have not been able to build the linux that comes with pogo. the included patches do not apply cleanly.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: but try to understand a more fundamental principle here. eventually this needs to turn into a system with -no- extraneous parts. as in, i take a stick and point to a byte, and you are able to tell me why it is there.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 128M of eeprom are more than enough to store whatever you want, but these things eat up ram footprint (both by themselves and when read-cached)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: the latter is almost -readable- in length
asciilifeform: and while i could, with some effort, shoehorn bitcoind into one of the still-produced alternatives for 'pogo' - all of which have no more than 32M of ram - it presumes something other than the mega-turd that linux kernel is.
mircea_popescu: btw re ers : i'm not so sure about all that barnacle. isn't the guy a major libertarian ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform management sez take a break you're chewing the scenery.
asciilifeform: netbsd or minix are afaik the only practical paths towards a 100% crud-free node box.
asciilifeform: anyone with ideas re: resolving the 'sys.mk' retardation, speak.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Mircea Popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/02/a-discussion-of-military-strategy-in-the-21st-century/
asciilifeform: almost like there's a script, aha.
mircea_popescu: "As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el. So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant."
mircea_popescu: oh, some holdouts still don't wish to trade power for the fetish of power ? pretend like power doesn't even exist anymore!
asciilifeform: let's do a 'trichotomy' on the netbsd thing. as far as i can see, there are three and only three possibilities in a case like this (i am deliberately not including the forth, of my being a muppet.) 1) whole orchestra -never- worked 2) once worked, but a sniveling shitgnome fucked with the docs 3) docs were once correct and described a working sys, but a sniveling shitgnome changed the code 'because pr0gr3ss'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, exactly. the problem is that they (unknowingly) approximate the wot
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/jeb-bush-document-dump-identity-theft-risk/
asciilifeform: can anyone here shed any light on the question of how netbsd's 'nbmake' finds its global config, 'sys.mk' ? the docs are silent. and no, it doesn't look in its install dir.
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asciilifeform: thus it will be attacked in every available way. the 'consensus' of 'the community' and 'how the world works' will stand as a solid wall against the 'obsolete, white male privileged' gcc.
asciilifeform: the ancient, gnarly code, the caretakers - few in number, mostly know one another; the infrequent patches - not an especially shitgnome-friendly environment.
asciilifeform: gcc is a natural target, as one of the last remaining total bastions agains poetteringization and 'modern advances,' 'pr0gr3ss!111!1111!,' etc.
asciilifeform: for folks unfamiliar with esr, he has always been an unabashed barnacle who clung to whatever he saw as 'winning' at the moment. so usg did not have to break his kneecaps. he knew exactly when to bend over and lube up.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the llvm thing, prior to career as apple crud, had a previous life as a darling plaything of u.s. 'comp sci' academitardia
asciilifeform: 'TL;DR: You can't beat clang. Join it.' << this idiot has long avoided his correct place - in pederasty and by the latrine corner.
mod6: asciilifeform: are you building from the tooldir? or added it to your path? https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/minix3/slkHJV1SXW4
mircea_popescu: it can't actually do THAT, but some other things it can buy
mircea_popescu: as the expression goes, "it could buy all of russia!"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants.
mircea_popescu: want me to find the log ref for you ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters.
asciilifeform: mod6: and yes, the file exists. just isn't seen.
asciilifeform: and the frustrating thing is, i have the kernel built. and all standard userland proggys. but ramdisk also needs the /dev and /etc; the former - has to get crapped out of a build script thingie that refuses to grind
asciilifeform: thing is, netbsd is the one and only path because 1) it builds the toolchain 2) builds a <1MB kernel 3) perfectly set up for a one-executable userland. but (3) refuses to happen so far
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix...
asciilifeform: the published cookbooks, without exception, describe a process which leads nowhere.
mircea_popescu: " two damns on the US-Mexico border" ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise pointless.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: simple experiment shows that penalizing nodes sending out-of-order blocks - does very little. as pointed out. what we want is to 'embrace & extend' the block sync process in the sense of preferring friendly nodes for sync.
mircea_popescu: so... new set of memes for the new set of retards.
mircea_popescu: they either gotr scammed and sold out as the price went up, because they couldn't justifyably keep those hjoldings
ben_vulpes: Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order.
beetcoin: it just does what it wants then
mircea_popescu: its a rule of the universe.
beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?
mircea_popescu: what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee.
ben_vulpes: the right people.
mircea_popescu: one year you throw away k's of btc, the next year you need foundation salary for 10s of btc ?
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.
mircea_popescu: if you mean the unintentional power ranger fuckup of 2013, that fork was killed.
mircea_popescu: that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.
ben_vulpes: what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?
beetcoin: what role should bitcoin play then?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box
mircea_popescu: now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do.
asciilifeform: i was specifically thinking about the out-of-order crapolade.
beetcoin: maybe those aren't the best words
nubbins`: perhaps the forseeable future
mircea_popescu: you should prolly read the logs eh.
beetcoin: I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man".
mircea_popescu: otherwise absolutely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'torrent' in the usual sense would be braindamaged. but nodes loading blocks from more than one peer - is a must.
BingoBoingo: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain
Naphex: >>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao!
mircea_popescu: ;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.
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punkman: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/2340 "nobody uses nlocktime, how am I gonna built stupid shit on top of it. I know let's make the core wallet use nlocktime on all the transactions."
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beetcoin: I'm not in the WoT yet.
mircea_popescu: "this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz.
mircea_popescu: yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: congrats on scoring the pogos!
nubbins`: well, y'know the next step
mircea_popescu: if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes, easy. question was about the logic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys
mircea_popescu: becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us.
asciilifeform: nsa can always donationwash another or ten.
mircea_popescu: yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ah that. ^ they'll be paying (chump change, apparently) for satanic nodes.
mircea_popescu: notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute.
mircea_popescu: oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent.
mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file