BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Looking for the a version of qt that builds on openbsd at all
BingoBoingo: Mucking with the bitcoin-qt source to get it to build was much easier with leveldb out of the picture. Refused to build in a way OpenBSD could link
hegemoOn: and the terrorist got 6000 euros on begining of december this way to buy all the guns and bullet they needed for the attack
hegemoOn: it is very funny indeed, when you know that in the Charlie-Hebdo attack, the money was founded by a consummer credit you can easely get just by phone call to a bank
hegemoOn: i wanted to share this to you http://www.antimoneylaunderinglaw.com/2015/01/france-eu-call-for-expedited-regulation-of-bitcoin-to-strengthen-counter-terrorist-financing-efforts-following-charlie-hebdo-incident-and-an-end-to-all-anonymous-financial-transactions-through-repor.html
fluffypony: lol at the securities commission in oz being called ASIC
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: then i guess that is what i meant
fluffypony: you mean the thunder was loud?
fluffypony: the lightning...was...loud?
cazalla: fuck that lightning was so loud then
fluffypony: I know, but you're right there
cazalla: it's the nzer's into sheep
cazalla: maybe you should stop with the unfunny south african jokes
mod6: alright, and yeah, the output binary is way bigger:
mod6: i thought the IFDEF should do that
mod6: this in one place: -Wl,-Bstatic : this in another: -Wl,-Bdynamic
mod6: we'll get there :]
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punkman: and you can move the binary to other machine without having to pull all the boost-dev packages
ben_vulpes: forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one?
mod6: thestringpuller: thanks for testing that script tonight
ben_vulpes: doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called.
mod6: its hairy in there.
punkman: I wonder what the liberally sprinkled "CRITICAL_BLOCK" does
mod6: this is probably worth a read: http://developers-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/03/15/1423208/comparing-the-c-standard-and-boost
mod6: so, the funny part is, as the story goes, most of what is in boost was put into the 2011 standard.
ben_vulpes: punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind
mod6: punkman: yeah, there's a bunch of work to be done surrouding openssl/libressl
punkman: if we replace openssl with libressl or whatever, how do we verify all the buggy data generated by 7 different openssl versions?
mod6: one thing that sucks about this version of bdb 4.6 is that it doesn't support my database flag to autoremote the database transaction logs : dbenv.log_set_config(DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE, 1);
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3237547471622801@naggum.net.html << naggum on the 'altcoins' of his time.
mod6: i'll have another patch here in a minute. meanwhile, i have v0.0.8.2 of the perl script, few tweeks in case anyone cares: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=UNzScJP7
mod6: that's fine. i kinda was thinking trying to statically link the libs was giving me an issue. forgot to add it back in.
asciilifeform: mod6: why did you snip the static build?
mod6: more good news. my AWS instance achieved full sync just now with the following config: v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } & openssl version 1.0.1g : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VVz5j1dW
mod6: here's the patch
TheNewDeal: Errr I guess I'm not sure if that line is ib the book
thestringpuller: how quick the time moves
mod6: boost_thread is in there though... o_O
mod6: the horror.
mod6: i might have to build boost 1.42 by hand. the horror.
thestringpuller: will it `mkdir .bitcoin` on the directory or do I have to do it myself?
mod6: ok made the update in here (v0.0.8.1):
thestringpuller: I gotta run it as a different user tho cause I'm running another bitcoind rite nao
mod6: someone posted a comment in the powerranger github about a change to DER
mod6: it'll be in the end month report... for sure
asciilifeform: i have not tried it with any other version of openssl
mod6: well, the really strange thing is that it totally isnt consistant. just as recently as the 26th of January I completed full sync with v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, & 6 } and openssl v0.9.8o
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: notice that 'portatronic' recipe featured 1.0.1g
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: up to date ?
mod6: after a week of banging my head on the wall, that seems to be the thing that gets me and ben past the wall.
mod6: thestringpuller: eh, i could put it to stdout. just figured that it was cleaner without it. but i can add it.
thestringpuller: i really wish I could see the compilation output
thestringpuller: the only good game for atari it seems
mod6: in 1985 i was crushing other kidz in pitfall
mod6: also if you want it to not clean out the stuff that it builds with, change $FULL_CLEAN to FALSE
mod6: or search the file for XXX
mod6: i'd much rather program this type of stuff in perl as opposed to sh/bash/ksh/csh/tcsh/zsh/ash *stab*
mod6: v1-4 took like 1 evening maybe 2. spent another whole day getting it working on FreeBSD, and just an hour or two now on OpenBSD
mod6: this is the 8th version.
mod6: thestringpuller: haha
mod6: there is a subroutine in there to check on the openssl version, but that needs some work yet. so its commented out from execution.
mod6: i've got a script to pull archives, verify and patch on Linux/FreeBSD/OpenBSD. Will only compile it on Linux since we're not quite there yet on *BSD, give it a try, let me know how it goes:
decimation: !up thestringpuller
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thestringpuller: mike_c: now you see the pain with my graph :P
asciilifeform: nobody snipped the wallet
asciilifeform: x over laggy network sucks << unless one (or both) endpoints is in orbit, or at sea, there is really no excuse for this
decimation: emacs is great, but it is annoying how you have dick around with the settings for certain poorly written extensions sometimes
decimation: !up TheNewDeal
decimation: !up thestringpuller
decimation: the documentation I found was sparse
decimation: if you are gonna go that route you might as well use vnc or other 'slim' window-network protocol
ben_vulpes: mk well nm then.
decimation: yeah I think I would pick the finger-macros
ben_vulpes: maybe i should run an x server on the remote host as well!
ben_vulpes: but then i got all grumpy about having to maintain multiple sets of finger macros for the emacs-in-terminal vs the emacs-in-xserver
decimation: I donno. I've been looking around and there don't seem to be very many maintained bouncers
decimation: I would be surprised if they were remarkably different, other than the versions of supporting libs
mod6: yeah, ok, seems about the same as fbsd
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely << i like how you're implying i know anything about cpp
mod6: I put like 8-10 hours into it in the beginning of January, but got side tracked before I got too far.
mod6: no real big effort has been undertaken to get the RI (v0.5.3.1) on to openbsd yet.
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decimation: asciilifeform, others with interest < apparently Oracle/Sun still produce sparc chips, they shipped 7000 units in Q3 2014! http://www.itworld.com/article/2883087/oracle-says-it-still-fully-supports-the-sparc-processor.html
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brendafdez: well, honestly, i was kidding with the ponzi scheme, even though I own the domain ponzify.me which i think will serve me well sometime in the future. During a bad hangover I thought it would be a good idea to so something there, along the lines of a game which simulates a ponzi scheme, but open and hones, where all funds received in each round are distributed in their entirety, and I only profit from a small fee deducted from each, and the hash
jurov: brendafdez: won't you rather do an affiliate for honest-to-God dice game?
BingoBoingo: And ponzi schemes are so passe. Better just go back to the old Black Hand racket.
brendafdez: I meant bitcoin instead of facebook, I trid to replace the word later ;)
brendafdez: i did read the DNS post, thankfully my own name and the domain i use for pretty much everything start with br already
brendafdez: Either for the ponzi scheme or for a perosnal blog, i'm still not sure which one to do first ;)
brendafdez: I was considering seeing that most anyone is running a ponzi scheme on facebook, I wouldn twant to miss out, but your opinion on the matter would be greatly appreciated. What would you consider an appropriate domain name?
mike_c: jurov: you're three right of mircea. thestringpuller is crowding you with his long name.
asciilifeform: in other news,
mircea_popescu: kindawhy all the bruteforcing of wp blog admin pws.
BingoBoingo: And incredibly slow to get to the point of resembling anything, much less being anything https://www.freelists.org/post/haiku/Haiku-selfhosting
asciilifeform: and minus the be.
BingoBoingo: Haiku >> BeOS resurrection attempt. Neverming that BeOS and the BeBox were Power PC
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: haiku << yet another 'c os', but with questionable posixness and 'we're different because we're special' derp
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Because it is what they get paid to use
PeterL: then why do so many people use it?
thestringpuller: you have to build it yourself or use another library
thestringpuller: no they aren't
thestringpuller: It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely
BingoBoingo: It exists because the CPP standard library sucks
thestringpuller: to add things like threads and other random bullshit
thestringpuller: ugh boost is annoying to get working if you don't have the exact version
BingoBoingo: I'm at the firing in anger stage of quitting linux, so moving the tools I use to OpenBSD.
BingoBoingo: mod6: I'm trying to Bitcoin-qt on BSD. Waiting until night when it's colder so I can compile in the garage so I have more thermal headroom. Unlike the linux I'd been using OpenBSD respects this machine's temperature sensors.
mod6: !up thestringpuller
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PeterL: !up thestringpuller
BingoBoingo: Digging through old porting efforts I get the feeling some linux settings use linux only functions in a pulse audio manner
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: if you want to build on bsd, set the ifdefs as if for mac
BingoBoingo: ^ Particular instance there was stock 0.5.3
BingoBoingo: Tried building some stock versions of bitcoin-qt on OpenBSD last night. Here's the tail end of the compiler output where the errors spring forth from: http://dpaste.com/2RDXRT1
mircea_popescu: this is the first time powerful people were involved in irc, since also 1996.
mircea_popescu: PeterL because the last tiem anyone thought about this it was 1996, and the next time anyone wil lthink about this it will be to systemdize it
PeterL: seems hard to believe this is the first time somebody used irc ip addresses to target attacks?
thestringpuller: i hit a netsplit and the second my ip was showing the router started showing a lot of traffic
thestringpuller: i got ddosed I think. AT&T claimed it was a power surge on their DNS server rack but that didn't make sense
cazalla: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: the difference is negligible.
ben_vulpes: but did you you know *make it* in the bucket list boat?
mthreat: <+mircea_popescu> o hey, how's the south pole ? << well technically we only got to just past 60 degrees south latitude, but it was cool. Lots of penguins, whales, killer whales, seals, ice, and mountains. And retirees, on the boat.
mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
pete_dushenski: because no city mayor/police/etc can very well stand in the way of the leaders of the free world
pete_dushenski: and that #b-a badges and #b-a plates will roam the streets freely
mircea_popescu: in the sense of "no cars for you"
pete_dushenski: well imagine that there will be "no car" rules in most major cities in 20 years
mircea_popescu: i will not be ok with a "no cars" town in which the fucking mayor/police/you get to drive if you feel like
pete_dushenski: which is reasonable given that in 20 years the serene republic will own it as a summer resort ;)
pete_dushenski: and it aims to be car-free in the city centre... by 2034
mircea_popescu: i don't need to be jostled just because sopme other fuckhead can't drive at his speed.
mircea_popescu: like the fucking speed bumps.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's the wrong approach imo.
ben_vulpes: for all that it's a communist paradise, portland does get this right. lots of super annoying stop lights on major thoroughfares throughout the east side.
pete_dushenski: lol well the thing drinks like 30L/100km so that's a lot of (indirect) slave labour from the oil sands up north
pete_dushenski: no cars in town is a perfectly sensible idea in most parts of the world
pete_dushenski: well i'm hardly going to disagree that everyone getting something "just as good" makes the whole lot of us worse off
ben_vulpes: and yes, the "computer" as a modern invention (from the c machine on forwards to the consumer laptop) is an entirely awful fork in the technological roadmap.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: well i exaggerate for btclulz. clearly *you* are deserving of your mercs and what have you, but the state of every pleb in their own plastic wheelbox has got to go.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski right. those twits ? their dad was nobody, some anon derp with, as orwell put it, "Well-meaning, over-civilized men, in dark suits and black felt hats, with neatly rolled umbrellas crooked over the left forearm, were imposing their constipated view of life"
ben_vulpes: roads themselves aren't expensive, nor the maintenance thereof but rather the wear and tear from 2-ton tardboxes
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: that's like saying "the car is a horrid invention because i don't like windoze"
ben_vulpes: especially in the mass production everyone having one.
pete_dushenski having a laugh watching "twit of the year"
pete_dushenski: see northern mediterraneans
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a great place, but the people are inept to a degree that can not even be put into words. doesn't even look like a year's famine would be enough, more biblical measures required, 30 years in the desert, stuff like that.
pete_dushenski: but hey, these days, who is ?
pete_dushenski: other than thumbing their nose at teh american judges, they don't seem to be thriving
mircea_popescu: they kinda get a very superficial formal thing about granpa, but otherwise the head dun work.
mircea_popescu: their grandparents were pretty cool. their parents rather mediocre. now they're fucked in the head.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski basically what i see is a cargo cult generation. if you've ever seen monty python's twit of the year sketch that's basiclaly the idea.
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> np << o hey, how's the south pole ?
pete_dushenski: when was their last king ?
pete_dushenski: cut them some slack eh
pete_dushenski: i pushed panks over the edge, didn't i
jurov: ;;sell 1 "AWS VPS servers" at 1 BTC "Prepaid for at least one month. AWS price * 1.25 / BitstampUSD. Any other related expenses (like bandwidth) charged extra at same rate. Must abide AWS ToS and react properly to any abuse notices."
pete_dushenski: i seem to recall one other at least...
pete_dushenski: do we have anyone other than davout from france here ?
pete_dushenski: peugeot, citroen, renault probably think this'll help them
pete_dushenski: i'm all for walkable cities, but taking some and not all cars off the road strikes of lunacy
pete_dushenski: all this to try to "stimulate" the economy and "encourage" people to take transit
pete_dushenski: as of july 2015, no cars built before 1997 will be permitted in the city centre
pete_dushenski: so apparently paris is going right off the deep end with its "anti-pollution" nonsense
jurov: how will they know? many shartups resell aws right and left, too
thestringpuller_: won't they fine you for giving resources to someone who is not "in the system" lol
jurov: they have pretty comprehensive access rights system to safely allow it
thestringpuller_: they prefer to use Amazon Payments for billing tho for that
mike_c: maybe the regex isn't too good
thestringpuller_: no other explanation for internet go down, and it's more than circumstantial that internet went down shortly after cloak went down
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller_
mike_c: the argument is basically that stemming is making it harder to find things on search.b-a, not easier
ben_vulpes: and now thestringpuller's flapping...
mircea_popescu: is your laptop on the fccinternet ?
gribble: mthreat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <mthreat> <+mircea_popescu> ... << yeh but how are we to verify! << I actually got pics of me holding up the blockchain iPhone app transaction, in front of the Port Lockroy building with a sign visible!
asciilifeform: FCC Commissioner: Proposed Internet Regulation 'Mimics Obamacare' << astroturf and misdirection. regardless of which branch of usg is at the helm (fcc or verizon) - the train will still end up at the same stop: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/statistics-still-the-hardest-part-of-math/
mircea_popescu: pill to bitcoin ? burn down the internet!
mircea_popescu: nowhere does the agency identify any kind of systemic harm in the Internet economy, but nonetheless it invents one in order to regulate it, and so its this classic situation where were adopting a solution that wont work to a problem that doesnt exist using legal authority we dont have.
mircea_popescu: was there no gold before mendeleev ? or what, did he invent "eka-aluminium" ?
mircea_popescu: "The problem, in part, in this debate arises from scientists confusing discovery or research with invention. Looked at in terms of the production of novel material, certain distinctions can be made. Discovery and research are not creative acts. While they require creative thinking, they do not add anything materially new to the world. Alternatively, invention is the act of creating something that did not exist. There w
mircea_popescu: "Except the argument isn't grounded in reality. Saying something vague like "people need these drugs," misses the immediate point: which drugs? On what grounds is it even possible to say that people "need something" that didn't exist until a company created it?"
mircea_popescu: for the record, i've made a complete backup of tlp's site. 702 articles it has.
mircea_popescu: whaack: anyways I came here to ask if you guys have btc entrepreneurial ideas that you think are good but just don't have time to get around to << jobs pop up occasionally. you have to read the log to have a chance at them. this is intentional.
mircea_popescu: whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins << what exact bravery does it take ? you get dollars for it.
mircea_popescu: if i keep a spare pair of panties in my briefcase in case i shit myself, i do not send a record of their purchase to the new york times, for publication in their news section, nor do i send the unfortunate reports of the occurence for the obit section.
mircea_popescu: whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up << why do you think your personal measures against fucking something up should be world-readable ?
ben_vulpes: dunno but i'm off for the night
ben_vulpes: hey hey the gangs all here
fluffypony: and knowing is half the battle
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems. << it's a problem now.
punkman: http://qntra.net/2015/02/hsbc-clients-victims-of-probable-social-engineering-attack/ << "Details on how the leak occurred have not been made public" it was public, this guy leaked it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herv%C3%A9_Falciani
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: hmm, musta been diff boxer. << Twas Tyson, USG bankruptcy laws... pretty hard not to use them. It is what got Trump rich
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc. << Mostly they sit in Norfolk
BingoBoingo: I mean the money shot's spent at the end of the porno flick, but this is live cams. Can't tip when the action ends
whaack: It seems like something that takes a little bravery other than just holding and seeing which chain wins
whaack: Is everyone in this channel dumping their coins on Gavin's big blockchain?
whaack: I think multisig for that reason is retarded, I thought the main purpose is for personal use to reduce the chance I fuck something up
BingoBoingo: I'm deep in the vodka tonight. You may need a better explainador
BingoBoingo: If you don't trust someone enough to send to them, why are you letting them collaboarate with their buddy? is the simple off target explanation
BingoBoingo: The assumptions that lead people towards it are problematic
whaack: FI don't get the hate on multisgi
whaack: BingoBoingo: Another question - are there any SF bitcoin startups that you beileve are useful? Like do you believe CB is useful?
whaack: BingoBoingo: word but I know my business is the result of cheap credit so it hurts a little inside lol
BingoBoingo: <whaack> i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them << Sounds like the answer for the time being
whaack: i would love to work in a completely closed btc system, but alas I don't know of any way to acquire bitcoins faster than trading in my fiat for them
whaack: i tried to authenticate through nickserv and says i'm not registered
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mircea_popescu: looking forward to the list drop.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the 'plum book wot' isn't really going to modify what the career bureaucrats think, see moldbug