mircea_popescu: original of course doesn't mean what the marginal retard "trying to make it online" imagines.
mircea_popescu: you know all those "how to spam google ? ORIGINAL CONTENT!!1" advicey bits ? they're actually quite on point.
mircea_popescu: to a large degree it's the silent progress that has been happening in thefield of machine processing of human text for the past... 20 years ?
mircea_popescu: the machine can tell by now.
punkman: well google loves the log apparently
mircea_popescu: i would also guess this person owns more weapons than remaining fingers (firecracker accidents), and they have more telescopes than barrel notches.
asciilifeform: srsly, until very recently the common derp's sole item of 'knowledge' re: ar was that the fuhrer lives (yes) there
mircea_popescu: this entirely predicated on the very simple 'lives in argentina -> was born there -> planet of hats'
mircea_popescu: lol in unrelated news, somebody just cussed me the fuck out because i am a wetback piece of shit left leaning commie.
asciilifeform: ain't happening. 'make world' on this box would take longer than the hardware's mtbf.
ben_vulpes goes to bed, asciilifeform goes to rebuild the universe.
asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/VkgE27Pd << undoes the shitgnomism, but wtf should i have to rebuild glibc and -everything- to use a perfectly ordinary proggy ?
mircea_popescu: Ladies and gentlemen, seldom can it have been a greater pleasure and privilege than it is for me now to announce that the next observation gave me the great pleasure and privilege of observing that it is my great pleasure and privilege to live in the best possible world of all the worlds that are possible already.
asciilifeform: the present-day crop of college kidz will never live in anything other than a kommunalka
mircea_popescu: ah, good then.
asciilifeform: the wide kind.
mircea_popescu: so, for instance, they are not allowed to take up residence in single occupant dwellings / family houses etc ?
mircea_popescu: hm... it occurs to me... wouldn't it be a good idea if all progressives were required to register themselves with the state ?
asciilifeform: (and yes, as far as i can tell, the recent glibc pant-shitting was -also- drepper)
asciilifeform: ^ we found the shitgnome.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 3005.8877 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 671376.912891 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.1582 seconds
cazalla: thestringpuller, lol
decimation: after all, a program that manages to boot the target and run an infinite loop is a basic os
decimation: apparently there are varying levels of posix support in actual flight systems
TheNewDeal: there's a company in the us called "amagi metals" and for some reason I thought that rang a bell
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal he did silver. tu.silver
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'RTEMS' os https://devel.rtems.org/wiki/TBR/UserManual/RTEMSAda < supports ada, is open source, but is written in C
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal sadly, no. lessee
TheNewDeal: offhand, does anyone remember the name of usagi's gold company?
mircea_popescu: i wish to know these 100 people out of whom 50 died of .4% bac.
mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08%. And 50% of the time, .4% is death, so there's that.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/02/just_how_many_drinks_a_day_is.html << reference.
mircea_popescu: for the sake of argument, 0.4% means 32 ml of alcohol in the 8 liters of blood ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: in the Romania i grew up, being drunk BEGAN at .3
BingoBoingo: The original gmail http://web.archive.org/web/20001017105222/http://gmail.garfield.com/
ben_vulpes: punkman: me neither.
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://40.media.tumblr.com/a19733372c89135be1c4ce0aad534e2d/tumblr_n8w6mezL3y1tx1yzzo1_500.png
mircea_popescu: punkman lol the innocent ones. splendid.
decimation: the contrast between the German soldiers, bronzed and clean-cut from a youth spent in the sunshine on an adequate diet, and the first British war prisoners, with their hollow chests, round shoulders, pasty complexions and bad teeth – tragic examples of the youth that England had neglected so irresponsibly in the years between the wars."
decimation: the 'forced exercise' idea reminds me of a passage in the 'rise and fall of the third reich': "The young in the Third Reich were growing up to have strong and healthy bodies, faith in the future of their country and in themselves and a sense of fellowship and camaraderie that shattered all class and economic and social barriers. I thought of that later, in the May days of 1940, when along the road between Aachen and Brussels one saw
punkman: I was making a case for "sentence all members of parliament to 30 years hard labor" yesterday at dinner, "but what of the innocent ones"
mircea_popescu: it's healthy, too. most usians could immensely benefit from more exercise, especially if nude under the nude sky.
mircea_popescu: torture people behind the glass, force highschoolers to visit yearly.
asciilifeform: of the hows and whys of public executions in europe from 800 or so ad to present
mircea_popescu: decimation i dunno if i descreibed it or not, but i think so : the prison zoo.
asciilifeform highly recomments the historic tour 'seeing justice done' by p. friedland. one of the very few good works on the subject
mircea_popescu: it's quite ridoinculous what sort of compartimentalised nonsense they sprout. you'd flunk senior hs essays for this
mircea_popescu: including the non-mentally retarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which incidentally is the missing point in the supreme court discussion of punishment quoted as it happens earlier
asciilifeform: not the same, but related, as a ladder is to a staircase
ben_vulpes: "disproportionate" is in there too.
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, of course, but the student must learn from something
BingoBoingo: <decimation> have you played with http://micrium.com/rtos/ucosiii/overview/ << Wild guess here, but would bet at the right odds, FreeBSD userland on Minix like microkernel
decimation: yeah, 'half a page of docs per line' is pretty much the same as your 'what does this line do?' test
asciilifeform: but 'half a page of docs per line' is about what ought to be expected of 'therealbitcoin' when mature.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.embedded.com/electronics-blogs/break-points/4025675/RTOS-dissatisfaction < "Safety-critical applications may need a certifiable OS. That's not one meant for an asylum, but one that can, for tolerable costs, be shown to conform to a standard like DO-178B. The costs are staggering; the certification process for one app I know of generated half a page of documentation per line of code."
asciilifeform: mod6: i overlooked the std lib stuff, was satisfied with not seeing openssl, boost, bdb. but you are quite right, this is not a proper static elf
asciilifeform: punkman: zlib is only demanded by the retarded version of boost
assbot: Just how stupid is the Redditard crowd ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhshkC )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/just-how-stupid-is-the-redditard-crowd/ << one of the lulziest things on trilema.
asciilifeform: so everything but the std libs is statically linked in
mod6: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes might have the same problem with his, is there something he should be specifically looking for in the elf?
asciilifeform: mod6: did check the elf
decimation: asciilifeform: there's also ARINC standard 653 if you want an RTOS along with your ada
mod6: asciilifeform: in your portotronic script, the line `make STATIC=1 -f makefile.unix bitcoind` ends up doing "-Wl,-Bstatic ... -Wl,-Bdynamic" when actually executed because of the bug in the makefile.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah there's much to like in this approach
asciilifeform: just what the doctor ordered for proggys whose behaviour (and error modes) must follow rigorous spec, or user - dies.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: for instance, all error messages refer to a page in the rationale book
asciilifeform: there are interesting things to be learned from the ada approach, if you can pinch your nose and get past the 'ick factor'
asciilifeform: you more or less have to present a smoking cratered cpu to make others believe in 'it was the hardware'
decimation: the problem is that many of the promises of ada cannot be kept by the underlying hardware
asciilifeform: decimation: actually - they do
decimation: presumably they do not use gcc
BingoBoingo: Also sun when they were monied enough to bezzel up Java
asciilifeform: avionics, power plant controls, the like - systems whose failure reliably produces piles of corpses and messy 'pr' - are still very heavy on ada.
asciilifeform: decimation: usg, interestingly, did not entirely abandon. but under pressure from microshit (primarily) relaxed the ancient laws
asciilifeform: (pet peeve of mine - 'lisp' (or worse, the '60s-ism LISP) is a hopelessly nonspecific term that encompasses languages that differ from one another far more even than 'algol' differs from 'c')
asciilifeform: who wants to laugh, but there are precisely two programming languages in existence which are 1) standardized and 2) you can -actually write complete systems- using -the language described in the standard-
asciilifeform: if not about gnat, the overall state of decay.
asciilifeform: ^ does anyone other than me care
mircea_popescu: no condensation around the hose ?
decimation: for one thing, venting into a closed box means that there's no venting
decimation: that pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be good for the economy.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what happens at the joints ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Rental house in southern Illinois. When there I am frequently drunk but been there enough times to verify this sober while cleaning.
mircea_popescu: decimation i suspect you lived (as in, with women) long enough to know exactly what antibiotics do to their bits ?
decimation: or they hand out antibiotics
mircea_popescu: every usanistan obgyn that is not insane treats sporadic uti in healthy females the same way : "get a proper shower woman!"
decimation: I like the 'shower with a hose' because it makes it simple to rinse off the shower after cleaning
ben_vulpes: i've always been amused by the "bend over and get it wet" approach, but i'm a total noob.
mircea_popescu: it's self-soaping, the vagina.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> those can be retrofit into us showers but are definitely 'out of fashion' << Plenty of them in Nursing homes and higher end hotels (i.e. the ones foreigners can afford)
mircea_popescu: but instead the civilised model with 3 meter's worth of flexible chord.
BingoBoingo: AH, here's the thing the inspired feminine linux https://gitorious.org/c-plus-equality/c-plus-equality/source/cefcfb4276889bd3833c539225a9cdfd3eb16d33:
decimation: supervising the design and construction
decimation: the real estate chumpatron in the us is finely tuned to prevent any actual person from being involv[\
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ? << any reason to not run with -xeu?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah when you open the freezer while using the stove at a friend's place you get a definite fog of steaming out of the freezer. The only justification I can thing of is the hope freezing smells sequesters them?
decimation: BingoBoingo: sounds like they were 'supposed' to install an outdoor vent, and ended up installing nothing
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ? << why's the shower so inadequate?
BingoBoingo: decimation: a few places I've seen the kitchen stovetop vent fan pipes air in the the neighboring fridge's freezer compartment because... Who fucking knows anymore
ben_vulpes: my stovetop vent vents into the apartment.
BingoBoingo: decimation: I find it lulzy when I encounter stovetop vents that pump air into the freezer
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> holy shit why, because stray pubic hairs ? << That and lingering urine smells, because "Clean when I moved in" is good enough to not justify cleaning ever again for the more degenerate Pindos
decimation: the reason they lack them is apparently because the builders could be liable for the kitchen fires that happen when nobody cleans out the air vent pipe
mircea_popescu never liked kitchen air vents. they generally favour infestations.
mircea_popescu: decimation but you can just open the window neh ?
decimation: the 'replacement' is a recirculating fan with a 'filter' that doesn't work at all
mircea_popescu: so the 3rd is actually for guests ?!
BingoBoingo: These are a people for whom hiring professional cleaners even annually is considered a luxury expense.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's now common in modern us 'tract' homes that the build has no air vent in the kitchen
BingoBoingo: The goal in contemporary American home architecture as espoused by HGTV is concealing from visitors the set of bathrooms used for actual bathroom functions
BingoBoingo: Nah, It's American style. Bathrooms are the new show of affluence
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is Departamentos Diarrhea then ?
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't see any of the "Global Warming ? opps!" "QE ? oops!" etc posts from the libertards, so i guess a slightly cleaner toad is still the prettier princess.
mircea_popescu: would be contrary to what they do generally, anyway.
cazalla: i guess that is no unexpected from a bunch of idiots who ban me from commenting in their subreddit but upvote qntra anyway
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? << wait, CBP is a Buterin project?
mircea_popescu: but since they do not wish to o may gawd promote my stuff with their impotent brownian motion, they use some sort of google juice filter (no idea if it works).
mircea_popescu: so : the powerless have decided that the way to attack me is through... google bombing.
assbot: dgerard comments on Famous Bitcoin shill Andreas Anontopolous will attempt to convince the DPR jury into buying bitcoins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At49S3 )
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2uek9v/famous_bitcoin_shill_andreas_anontopolous_will/co7x5om <<< this is possibly the lulziest thing i saw all day.
mircea_popescu: the libertard is a particularly insidious totalitarian, in that he doesn't even admit his outright enmity to liberalism.
mircea_popescu: is to say, as the Court does today, that all executions of the mentally retarded are so morally repugnant as to violate our national standards of decency, surely the consensus it points to must be one that has set its righteous face against all such executions. Not 18 States, but only seven18% of death penalty jurisdictionshave legislation of that scope."
mircea_popescu: "The Court pays lipservice to these precedents as it miraculously extracts a national consensus forbidding execution of the mentally retarded, ante, at 12, from the fact that 18 Statesless than half (47%) of the 38 States that permit capital punishment (for whom the issue exists)have very recently enacted legislation barring execution of the mentally retarded. Even that 47% figure is a distorted one. If one
mircea_popescu: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-8452.ZD1.html << apparently consensus has been poorly understood by the supreme court no less, as early as 2002.
BingoBoingo: other news on the Illinois collapse http://thesouthern.com/ap/state/state-owes-some-illinois-state-police-troopers-each/article_bc848ee1-a58e-5071-85bf-4ed487f19f68.html
asciilifeform: (when else does fat of the prisoner play a part)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expected the 'request' to be for hanging rather than electric chair, or the like
mircea_popescu: the layers of idiocy srsly.
asciilifeform: or if kitchen gas - then yes
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges << good point this.
asciilifeform: qntra article << wai wat, there are/were actual companies registered in virgin islands? not merely mail boxes for sp4mz0rz ?
asciilifeform: punkman: 50eu per head << what are they worth, approximately ?
punkman: (spotted local news the other day about idiot that let his sheep wander all over some town, they rounded them up, will charge him 50eu per head to get them back. or to the butcher's if he doesn't claim them in 2 weeks)
asciilifeform: put the bull back in his yoke
BingoBoingo: Most country governments tend to let the judges go a bit feral
BingoBoingo: It's like one of those Russian skits on Usian racial policies in the 1950's
asciilifeform: 'The attorney for Charles Plumpp said Weisenberger arrested and jailed her client, who is African American, on the nonexistence charge of "roaming livestock."'
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/465104f1ba6c1647997207a2001cc153/tumblr_mxrij9HZZg1ra163eo5_r1_250.gif << the new systemlinux
mircea_popescu: thompson's self-diddling compiler is mentioned in the logs on a ~5 month period
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. << MagicalTux falls in this category. I don't think any of the DERP lists have management with WoT identities.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> my biggest hesitation is the << your hesitation is correct. at this stage qntra wouldn't report on that shit even if *they* paid.
mircea_popescu: this is how you deal with aspirational muppets, not by reporting on their idiocy.
mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman.
mircea_popescu: then, let them go into business, by for instance signing a contract to "save" Bitcoinica
mircea_popescu: simple strategic thinking : first, let them put some skin in the game, by for instance creating a "Bitcoin Consultancy"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so qntra can report on the derpage? << reporting on the idiocy is doing it more service than it deserves in any perspective.
asciilifeform: in as much as he too would rather be elsewhere - aye
mircea_popescu: the difference between a goat and a goat herder is certainly not apparent to any passing lady of society.
mircea_popescu: only for as long as the concept that "people can have ideas" and "tim swhatever knows hopw normal debates work"
asciilifeform: though, strictly speaking there are two activities (the other being that of the meatpuppeteer, of course)
thestringpuller: there will always be mechanical turks
mircea_popescu: in a world made out of equal idiots who don't have gpg sigs, THAT is the only possible human activity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span << has nothing to do with the product, everything to do with the society.
asciilifeform: 'nethack' and other 'roguelikes' (anyone recall 'angband' ?) are sorta timeless
asciilifeform: thestringpuller so usa-centric
thestringpuller: at least the 60s had better access to drugs?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what's the difference?
mircea_popescu: people born in the 70s can scarcely cluck at the ipad screen without some sort of "CONGRATULATIONS!!1"
mircea_popescu: people born in the 50s played rogue for fun
mircea_popescu: even for their own amusement.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: the indie developers killed it << no, they didn't. what killed it was the complete inability of the new generation to do any sort of useful work WHATSOEVER
asciilifeform: at the dentistinquisitioner's
mircea_popescu: then i learned better.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' << once upon a time, thinking this is particularly romanian, wrote a romanian article about it
thestringpuller: cock will be inserted at some point, that is the purpose of device no?
PeterL: thestringpuller: It seems to be misbehaving since I added your blog?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that just looks like an ordinary day at the dentist's.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: need the right thickness.
asciilifeform: and the arse it was born to slide into.
asciilifeform: ever time you sit down and submit a patch to something-or-other, knowing that it might silently break proggys used by actual people,
asciilifeform: (the stump, that is)
cazalla: asciilifeform, the sound of breaking glass is actually quite soothing
asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc
cazalla: asciilifeform, the why doesn't really matter.. lesson here is not to have 2fa on device you often have with you if prone to smashing things
asciilifeform: cazalla: for our edification, care to describe the burst of anger ?
cazalla: smashed my iphone in a burst of anger so.. no more apple products here (ipad already went out the window)
jurov: aaaahh i saw "renewal fee" and it clicked.. apparently they plan to make bitcoin obsolete after 2 years?
jurov: "Duration: 2 years" (from the CBP link) how do i parse this?
thestringpuller: my biggest hesitation is the coin goes directly into the waterfall i.e. hands of enemy
asciilifeform: thestringpuller was probably thinking of their other exam, re: internals of bitcoind, but iirc it is only available to the select few
thestringpuller: cause he is guaranteed to pass it. i guess others too. but he was the first that came to mind.
jurov: thestringpuller why alf specifically?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: it is unlikely that anyone would wish to pay what this costs.
asciilifeform: re: gentoo: is it just me or did most of the ports mirrors die in the past 2 or so weeks ?
thestringpuller: so qntra can report on the derpage?
asciilifeform: 'make[5]: *** [unwind-dw2.o] Error 1' seems to be the boojum
asciilifeform: wintel answered the threat posed by 'coreboot' et al by stuffing shitgnomism straight into the silicon (southbridge, and soon cpu proper)
asciilifeform: punkman: but none of them feature 'consumer pc' hardware
asciilifeform: (and before anyone asks, no, it is not a simple matter to build it from source like any other thing. needs an existing gcc configured to play ball in order to bootstrap itself)
asciilifeform: in other news,
punkman: ^ my thoughts: "who the fuck are these people and why is anyone writing about their sex life"
thestringpuller: the uproar is what is interesting. uproar over people who don't matter.
asciilifeform: it was utterly incomprehensible to the uninitiated.
asciilifeform confesses that he could not be bothered to unravel the how-and-why behind that particular wankage
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: ah and this is probably why the whole GamerGate thing occurred last August.
asciilifeform: where the practical distinction between a satisfied user and a spammer who wrote a review in exchange for a bowl of rice and a day's pass from the sex slave farm, is purely academic
thestringpuller: that's some clockwork orange shit right there
thestringpuller: The latter.
asciilifeform: the ones sharecropping under apple?
thestringpuller: the indie developers killed it
asciilifeform: no idea if this has anything to do with age, or the fact that games industry died.
thestringpuller: game developers are kind of like rappers, after a certain age their "hip-ness" runs out.
asciilifeform: i must point out that i have no idea whether 1 or 2
asciilifeform: there were two logical scenarios that formed in my head, 1) he did the things he was credited for, and somebody then came and scooped out his brain 2) he didn't, took credit after someone else did, was the kind of fellow selected for this next stage of meritwash
asciilifeform: i was utterly floored by the sheer imbecility
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: background for that article: herr baggett came to my town once, and gave a public talk where he pitched a militantly idiotic 'startup' (nothing whatsoever to do with games, a weird proprietary, closed-source email client with 'new, exciting, unprecedented' spam filter that is a poor clone of 1990s state of the art)
asciilifeform: (how? let's start with those iterations, every single one of which will suddenly need a nonsense variable; all the things that will have to be declared for the occasion, that presently are genericized; etc)
asciilifeform: 2) tearing out 'boost' while keeping the project in cpp will turn it into an unreadable morass of crud that makes the existing turd look like the finest sausage
asciilifeform: 1) the idea of tearing out 'boost' while retaining the 'satoshi cleanup' concept of therealbitcoin project - is a total impossibility