BingoBoingo: The solid state drives in UY1 were new
mircea_popescu: but the ram in that box is as new as a kitten.
mircea_popescu: kudos to you, but nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: outside of hard drives, and capacitors on OVER FIFTEEN YEAR OLD motherbopards, i have not witnessed this wonder myself, of failing hardware.
asciilifeform: but indeed i'd much like to move to a 'near-errybody on rockchips' , ~these~ can approximate the ideal of 'treat irons as toilet paper, discard on 1st sign of rot'
mircea_popescu: so then as a factual matter, if asciilifeform threw out erry box that rebooted "by itself" for no apparent reason, pizarro would be missing uy1
asciilifeform: i haven't succeeded in crashing a rockchip yet ( outside from the rotting usb ssd's affair )
mircea_popescu: is this a fact, eg the rockchips ?
asciilifeform: the sad part tho is that if asciilifeform threw out erry retardix box that ever kernel panicked, would have none left in service
mircea_popescu: and the coincidence is there, and glaringly. we know for a fapt inept http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/ efforts ~signature move~ is rebootage, much like olde smersh signature move was the clicking on phone line ; and as he points out, buncha people moved their zncs there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't disagree, and am inclined to move it to cold spare when we get another crate in.
mircea_popescu: this stance is consistent with, inter alia, republican practice -- we moved variously boxes off providers who kept rebooting them "mysteriously"
trinque: BingoBoingo: signaling my willingness to pay, not my condoning of the outage.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the one concerning bit is whether indeed pizarro still owns that box or not. << This very much concerns me
BingoBoingo: trinque: My though on the month is that the money being paid for shared hosting is very real to our customers, and we lack a firm hour count on how many customer uptime hours have been lost.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it's in the log
BingoBoingo: During palm touch tests before cleaning fans the warmest part of the chasis was near the RAID card, by a margin that though small registered on my skin. Do we have a way to instrument the RAID card.
trinque: conspicuous bit is various folks having moved their comms aboard uy1
asciilifeform: hanbot & other subscribers to uy1 : plox to inform asciilifeform asap if you notice ~any~ unusual behaviour on this box ( not only reset , reset will be obvious from here )
asciilifeform: hanbot: today i set up realtime stream of system log + voltages + temperatures + fan rpm to the torture room, was expecting to find thermal problem, so far 0
asciilifeform: hanbot: we dun know yet wtf reset the box ( and it happened no fewer than 3 times, in 2 day span )
BingoBoingo: hanbot: The investigation is ongoing. Other than the chassis interor being marginally cleaner than before asciilifeform instrumented the machine, answers remain elusive. Per http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/14/pizarro-isp-update-january-14-2019/#selection-13.0-17.315 I am inclined to not charge any Pizarro shared hosting customers for the month of January though I am open to hearing other suggested remedies.
lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 1 day, 10 hours, and 22 minutes ago: <billymg> mp-wp patches have been updated: http://billymg.com/2019/01/minor-mp-wp-patch-updates/ -- the only \ No newline at end of file strings you should find in .svg refs patch are from before part of the diff (i.e. file diffed had no newline at the end)
hanbot: well, this is my 3rd iirc restart of znc in two days, slightly more interruption than the problem i started using znc on UY1 to fix posed. looks like no prognosis yet eh?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 00:36 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part I.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886698 << those poor people, and what they had to do for a logarithm.
shinohai: Haven't completed build yet since mod6 published, but have tried the old method which unsurprisingly went fantastic.
shinohai: I still have nfi why the bullet barf, diana_coman says it has to do with proximity things. Hopefully I'll get some time in game to see if negative effects occur.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
asciilifeform: apparently this is what you get if there aint a 'lavrentiy pavlovich' in the design loop.
asciilifeform: fep ran from rom and could not be crashed other than by hand (or when iron is finally smoking, smouldering)
asciilifeform: ( had 'fep', a supervisor cpu thing, but not the 'remote booby' item presently extant in intel irons, but a thing available strictly from console, and 'crash' halted the main cpu and dropped you into it, where you could peek/poke, probe irons, etc )
asciilifeform: 1 of the 9000 sane things bolix tried, valiantly , to do, within the limitations of the period irons.
asciilifeform: there's no physical or practical reason why the last million or two instructions executed prior to whatever fail, should not be available after
asciilifeform: i'ma take the chance to highlight the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886752 thing -- on sane iron , there'd be no such thing as a 'oops rebooted but fuck if i tellya why'
asciilifeform: oughta trivially capture 'magic packet' (under the old hypothesis that these result in fandango)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we live to bake the fpga router thing, will be interesting to give it a ring buffer that'll hold coupla 100MB of frames, and dump'em to flash upon any unsanctioned reboot of attached irons.
asciilifeform: there's ~0 reason to it.
asciilifeform: i've mostly sworn off trying to picture the 'reasoning'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun see wai not to bug upstream, but then again i dun work at reichskanzlei
asciilifeform: ( in torture room, asciilifeform has an antistatic vacuum thing and other nice things )
mircea_popescu: i dunno, man. if i ran a moron empire with delusions of "pen devices" etc, it'd do precisely the sort of inept rebooting.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: y'know , these things ~do~ like a ~yearly breath of high pressure freon
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x. << It breathes ever so slightly better than it did before the opening and fan check
asciilifeform: so far the old proverb 'на ловца и зверь бежит' dun seem to play out for asciilifeform , somehow hitler dun feel like putting the delish booby catalogue items where asciilifeform's dirty orc hands can get to'em..
asciilifeform: relatedly, asciilifeform has a backburner affair where disasm of the particular 3ware bios , looking for lulz (to date found none, aside from it having a quite bulky cpp runtime lib)
asciilifeform: for comparison, the 1 time dulap-III rebooted without sanction, was in may, when BingoBoingo elbowed the mains cable
asciilifeform: even if i turn up nuffin in next day or 2, i'ma have at least 1 moar planned reset, see whether ben_vulpes remembered to enable eccism when he plugged the thing in
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far all i know is that the thing rebooted without sanction, no fewer than 3x.
asciilifeform at this rate might end up adding a 7th lcd to the wall..
asciilifeform: in other noose, 6hrs of reactor^H^H^Huy1 gauge , and 0 anomalies
asciilifeform: in other olds, 'The 256-bit integer q = (2x + 1)(4x + 1) with x = 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b passes 15 rounds of GMP’s primality test mpz_is_probab_prime_p...' ( Albrecht et al, aug. 2018 , https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/749.pdf / http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3QLGp/?raw=true )
BingoBoingo: ty for the confirmation
BingoBoingo: In other updates Pizarro www now has selection js in place when viewing individual blog entries
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so basically they imagine they're getting a buncha eunuchs outta the deal ? << I suspect this is an element of it.
mircea_popescu: cuz they're a buncha fash dorks, what.
asciilifeform: they , in words of al schwartz, 'hind gut ferment'. they metabolize, but no thinking is necessarily involved
asciilifeform: same way they dun want into the academitardia racket ( when asciilifeform grunted in the ranks of said racket, was often the 1 euro face in the group pics.. )
asciilifeform: the chowdhrys are, as i currently understand, the vaisya/sudra-heavy wave of emigres & their nth gen, largely content with 'middling' ranks, the native usg.brahmin spawn dun want these
Mocky: if they are gonna look at afrofacts, what next, look at femfacts?
mircea_popescu: but hence my objection ? turning a blind eye to all the chowdrys taking over bureaucracy while crying bloody murder over ~explanation~ as to why first black president === worst president ever ?
Mocky: they think in terms of nanny state policies and what policies statistical facts would imply
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i guess my unexamined impression is otherwise.
asciilifeform: there also butthurt
mircea_popescu: they're not very appreciably butthurt at all by how average whitey's gonna undertest average "azn" aka chinese.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they're so butthurt by the ~statistical~ fact. just because average black is going to be dumber than average human doesn't say any one black person's gonna be dumb or anything like that.
BingoBoingo: Well he had the symbolic "any key" that wasn't connected to anything
asciilifeform: in other vintage lultidbits, found while digging logs, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-09#1723504
asciilifeform: ( for folx who haven't yet read diana_coman's series -- the theorem diana_coman turned up, turns m-r into a deterministic ('aks but fast') test, iff generalized-riemann )
mircea_popescu: it is, we had an entire discussion then
asciilifeform: iirc there's a sequence that nails all composites < 2^64 . so could be handy for primorial generators ( vs. eratosthenes etc ) .
asciilifeform: 1 interesting maffs problem , is whether you can generate a sequence of witnesses that will tell troof of compositivity for ~any~ externally supplied N , up to given bitness. ( and as i understand this q is isomorphic to bach's generalized-riemann item that diana_coman dug up. )
asciilifeform: ( yet aaanother thing that koch didn't give )
asciilifeform: re verifications, observe the general pattern in ffaism: i expect any serious user to have a private battery of tests to verify that his, particular, ffa builds, actually conform to the declared behaviours.
asciilifeform: ( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit )
asciilifeform: i'ma detail this subj in the customary pedantic detail in ch16 article.
asciilifeform: and indeed the quality of rng is 'jesus bolt' when running m-r in battlefield.
asciilifeform: which is why mine reads witness as param rather than directly from rng
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 21:13 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-11#1886376 << with some caveats as to how "unrelated" (in the m-r sense of the term) those candidates must be, as it's entirely possible to generate an infinite set of lying witnesses for any composite number.
asciilifeform: i hate to disappoint mircea_popescu , but i'm all outta sheep for the haruspexy room, so cannot give odds lol
mircea_popescu: what's the book on that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if ddos, then nao as good time as any, it hasn't afaik yet been tested, how said pipe behaves under ddos.
asciilifeform: the req still stands tho.
asciilifeform: achtung pizarro subscribers : if 1 of you is running saturation test on the pipe, plz nao & in future ~announce prior~, ty.
asciilifeform: cpu temp 45.5C (out of 85 permitted), chipset 30.8 (75 permissible) (i'ma omit further reports on subj for nao, unless thing actually is found to melt)
mod6: ty for the notice
asciilifeform: incidentally i was not aware that UY1 uses grub (grub2 no less). grub is fatwa'd on pizarro-owned iron. i'ma correct this omission in a scheduled maintenance after we cure the moar pressing issue in re uy1.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to keep kvm hoses in until further notice.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: soon as this is done, i'ma graph the machine temps/voltages.
BingoBoingo: From habitation module, not the rack
asciilifeform: the debug session has distinct 'mars lander' feel to it
asciilifeform: after we get to the bottom of UY1 issue, i'ma make sure that all iron owned by pizarro has asciilifeform-baked kernel in place.
asciilifeform: will announce the reboot hour in advance.
diana_coman: just not the git
asciilifeform: update: aaand ben_vulpes (who is orig builder of UY1) didn't see it fit to build the k10temp kernel mod, so i can get cpu/chipset temps and ps voltages.
diana_coman: funnily enough it seems I even DID port over jurov's page too anyway, lolz; it was just the uy1 down thing
mod6: Oh, ok. Hmm. Well, thanks for reporting. We need to get to the bottom of that pile of weird.
mod6: My one node I've got now, is still on that bad hardware as I haven't found a new home for it yet. Sometimes, if I just let it "figure itself out", it'll return eventually and be fine. I agree though, would be nice to get to a root cause of this by some form of testing. Hard to mimic the state, regardless.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah but the disk is fine.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886835 << They just don't want anyone booting into the wrong version of Windows
mod6: mircea_popescu: I've only seen behaviour from trb like that when I've had some bad hardware. In particular a suspected bad SSD. I issue the 'getinfo' command and nothing, just hangs.
asciilifeform: ( who the FUCK thought this was acceptable behaviour )
asciilifeform: i'ma cure the asinine grub keyboard thing.
asciilifeform: update : box is up; loox like BingoBoingo hastily reassembled thing last night without the nic plug properly seated.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the rack
asciilifeform: update : it aint hung, responds, but i have nfi how this thing ever auto-booted in the past -- the boot menu dun seem to have a timeout , wtf
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wtf, thing appears to be hung on the grub menu screen
mircea_popescu: bernie sanders is actually more of a player than the entire collected dnc
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2018/12/trump-makes-end-of-year-push-mattis-out-syria-and-afghanistan-withdrawals-and-shutdown-showdown-over-border-wall/ << in utter lulz : could the democrat party be any less fucking relevant these days ? it's gop-senate vs gop-house and trump.
diana_coman: basically we don't have a windows maintainer anymore; and yes, last parts in there were ~2016
mircea_popescu: when diana_coman moved over the site to uy, she pruned all the shit that was badly out of date and little hope of being brought back up
shinohai: ( I wrote initial post on Friday, minigame.bz wasn't responding then when I did post research - only thing I got was the logs subdomain)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How is the debugging and instrumenting going? Do you need my hands in the rack?
mircea_popescu: but i mean no part of the site responds ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, neah, it's that part that I did not move over to the html server because it wasn't up to date really
mircea_popescu: diana_coman wth happened there, Trying 161.0.121.247... Connection timed out etc. site got nuked ?
diana_coman: thanks! one of those days I'll get around to write-up the jam stuff for linking the lib with the client too ; at any rate, the linking seems sorted for now - it's Ada code for all the pieces that is missing
diana_coman: bot is in dire need of proper logging and once the new protocol is in place I can see the client itself needing to log stuff
asciilifeform: aand i'ma apply the supplied algo.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu this part is fine. now, why did they fail to a) band together and b) control, deliberately, the product. they did a very strict anti-a and anti-b. why! the only reason mit even exists in this picture is because the dozen was "omfg, we DID figure it out, now quick, find someone TO PROTECT US FROM OUR HAVING FIGURED IT OUT!!1" holy shit who thinks like this and why do they.
mircea_popescu: phf pre-symbolics the "theorems" were "how do i computer" in general. those guys weren't playing around with custom fpga in their garage that they failed to sell. they were basically figuring out how to build a von neumann machine that can do things, which they did
mircea_popescu: back to the truly irksome :
asciilifeform: this dun normally nail the process tho
mircea_popescu: and there it goes : happily eats ctrl-c, OF COURSE, cuz why the fuck have any sort of notion of human priviledge or anything, terminal has its own mind, right. but if sigkilled dies peacibly and then restarts as if nothing had happened.
asciilifeform: ( aand they're a 1st class bitch to get anyffing useful out of )
asciilifeform: in the past , asciilifeform encountered cases like this and resorted to dumping physical mem images. but doesnt expect mircea_popescu to do this
mircea_popescu: here i sit and stare into the terminal, not knowing what to do. this happens absolutely never in my life, except when dealing with fucking computers.
asciilifeform: heh i have a whole www about these..
asciilifeform wishes that these happend on ~his~ boxen !
mircea_popescu: "why didn't it sell with the rest ?" still haunts me.
mircea_popescu: this anger has led me to re-read ye olde http://trilema.com/2018/the-symbolics-discussion/ ; only to discover i'm ~still~ not satisfied
mircea_popescu: but what the FUCK can i do, run everything in debug, maybe 3-5-12 layers deep ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik yer the pioneer , this is 1st such case on record.
mircea_popescu: ending then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what if anyffing is in the log tail ?
mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
mircea_popescu: i happen to agree with the fellow, "partial order" (as in, the term of art) is specifically why not actually breaking anything.
BingoBoingo: relationship is also the largest of our recurring fiat denominated expenses. Sitting here my thinking latched onto present cash flow situation as the datacenter's goodwill isn't very liquid.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it strikes me as the height of strange that the balance sheet seems to paint a rosy picture whereas management communication is bleak and dour. these shouldn't contradict so, which is it ? << The cash flow situation concerns me. Our fiat denominated holdings have appreciated. As you assessed earlier our primary asset is a healthy customer relationship with the (very rare) independent datacenter. Maintaining that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty, i'ma instrument the thing for realtime logging soon as i wake up ( about to turn in, and would rather not break things when half awake )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 02:37 mircea_popescu: in other news, ffa chapters are such a pleasure. it seems to me by now ffa has become such a largest-rock in the loperos garden...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886726 << very happy to hear that mircea_popescu enjoyed reading. i've put a good bit of sweat in recent times into keeping these pieces short & edible.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Fans clean, all spin. Palpable air movement in and out of the chassis. Seals in tact on arrival, new seals deployed. KVM connected. I did not manage to find the internal log in the BIOS.
mircea_popescu: in other news, ffa chapters are such a pleasure. it seems to me by now ffa has become such a largest-rock in the loperos garden...
mircea_popescu: it strikes me as the height of strange that the balance sheet seems to paint a rosy picture whereas management communication is bleak and dour. these shouldn't contradict so, which is it ?
mircea_popescu: are these factual ? because ~both~ of these would be ~significant~ accomplishments, neh ? shareholders put in 11, if memory serves, so they realised a 60% roi over the interval ?
mircea_popescu: re http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/ : leaving aside how annoying it is i can't select, and how it's the case trying to comment timesout : it seems the case pizarro ~made~ about 2 bitcoin during november, on the strength of its fiat-denominated holdings, taking it from being worth ~14 to being worth ~17 bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, libgnarl.a is a great name indeed!
mircea_popescu: understand there's no such thing as "a liver". either it's the whole enchilada, liver, stomach, bone, muscles, skin, all the organs -- or else nothing at all.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo re ". Even when I manage a piece of evangelical Republican writing well received by the targeted community as measured by 'likes'... the reception warm reception is fuctionally empty." << the problem with this is the single-flower-spring issue. if you wish t go this route your measurements are in the dozens of accounts, spitting forth 100s of daily posts supporting each other across the whole "niche".
mircea_popescu: re http://bingology.net/2019/01/11/more-lessons-learned-pizarro-entering-2019/#selection-51.13-51.130 specifically (ie, "no hardware to sell"), is this actually the case ? i thought there was some overcapacity
lobbes: it would seem like BingoBoingo's and my own (albiet limited) experiences illustrate the futile and time-wasting nature of sifting through the meat pile by hand >> http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/07/sales-report-june-2018/
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 00:17 BingoBoingo: My inclination was not to take the earlier committment for granted and underline the need to start working out a plan to achieve a positive ROI because I can't man alone it. Having sidechannel discussions outside this forum has been demonstrated -EV in the past. I am also wary of having strategic discussions outside of the channel where most of the republic's strategic and commercial competence sits.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-14#1886692 << I've been digesting your initial blawg post, and then that last thread. If I were to summarize what I'd read I'd say the short-term path is clear: start automating, and then reporting on metrics gathered. In the best case it seems the only way to generate enough sales. In the worst case you will have at least produced some meaningful statistics
asciilifeform: also BingoBoingo plox to connect kvm hoses to selfsame box, and kvm power to mains, before you leave the cage.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bios setup of that box also contains internal log, which will report if thermal trip. plox to examine.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plox to switch on with chassic open and determine if fans moving; and clean the latter. ty
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the seals.
BingoBoingo putting on shoes. asciilifeform is there anything in particular you want me to check for beyond what I reported yesterday?
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-april-may-and-june-1714-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of April, May and June, 1714 - Part I.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 23:46 mircea_popescu: so ok, if mod6 is committed to the prev 5btc and asciilifeform meets it, what exactly is pizarro's financial problem ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886685 << i'ma match mod6 . and then see to it that mircea_popescu's advices are actually followed, even if ( and it appears that yes if ) i gotta run the spamatrons with own hands & feet
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I was feeling overdue for an appointment with the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine.
BingoBoingo: My inclination was not to take the earlier committment for granted and underline the need to start working out a plan to achieve a positive ROI because I can't man alone it. Having sidechannel discussions outside this forum has been demonstrated -EV in the past. I am also wary of having strategic discussions outside of the channel where most of the republic's strategic and commercial competence sits.
trinque: derps gotta talk to each other
trinque: then the question becomes why BingoBoingo is writing about death when capitalized through his perceived deadline
mircea_popescu: because i can see why someone'd go, "eh, whatever, thirty heathens to the cent, i don't even mind paying". as per ye even older http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-21#1026639
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if pizarro can say "talked to 985,553 heathens this month, here's the script, here's the results breakdown, here's the more interesting lulz/notions/ideas" it stands in a WAY the fuck better position than what trinque above perceived may well degenerate into a simple "gimme".
mircea_popescu: seems rather the problem is "how to spend tens of thousands of dollars with a roi" rather than "wut do april"
mircea_popescu: so ok, if mod6 is committed to the prev 5btc and asciilifeform meets it, what exactly is pizarro's financial problem ?
mod6: I'm still committed to the 5 BTC promised a while ago.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 22:41 asciilifeform: ftr , and in re whole thread, asciilifeform is entirely all ears re any thoughts trinque , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , et al, have re subj of what gotta be done in order to reach the black.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mod6's nerves gave out and he went on sabbatical w/out yet having said whether, and to what extent, he will participate .
mircea_popescu: anyways, is the situation here is that mod6 is quietly opting out while you're explicitly opting out of the refinancing you both were very excited to do a year or so ago, back when i was rebuffing ben_vulpes with "the only thing another cap round buys you is not havign to do any work for a longer interval" ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: most hosting is biased towards upload anyway, and there's ample capacity on that end to sell.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 22:42 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enumerate the db of each forum touching upon internet, message each single user, report on results.
BingoBoingo going to take a walk while the rain's stopped and try to unload some of this cortisol
BingoBoingo: Even if I frame it as "we aren't utilizing the whole pipe", they are going to smell blood
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform that your dc respects you is probably your only asset now. giving that away will yield what, "a clearer situation" ? << This is my worry about "renegotiating" with the DC
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: imho trinque is right , tomorrow morning is the time to have a talk with the dc rep re bw pricing function ( and post the output to our www asap )
trinque: with which to persuade for the cut
trinque: if customers wont take the diminished capacity that's basically all else pizarro has that has (if very) hypothetical value
trinque: it's a model of a negotiation, not proposing a specific, other than not sitting around thinking about how lordly we are while we die
trinque: or y'all can proceed valiantly into the void, whichever you prefer
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 18:57 BingoBoingo: Well the numbers as of last January http://bingology.net/2018/01/18/datacenter-costs/
mircea_popescu: last i heard you're not welcome in the us congress, will still get fined if you park in the main entryway to courthouse.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the item where mircea_popescu decided that heathendom is ~irredeemably stupid, and that ~all the folx who belong in, are already in
mircea_popescu: "my five year plan for pizarro is that by the time we're done with the first three it'll not be physically possible to do such a thing as 'host a website' anywhere else."\
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how does this square with the http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/#selection-23.0-31.1 item ?
mircea_popescu: first, you tell them to come over, then you start nuking everyone else, and on in this manner. what, are we fucking around ?
mircea_popescu: tmsr isn't some cool secret project for five dorks under some covers in a pillow fort somewhere. tmsr is the rule of the world and mandatory at all junctures, wtf.
mircea_popescu: the shaver shaves universally -- it's not one shaver for phf and a diff one shaver for pizarro.
mircea_popescu: because if they are not -- guess what, bezos also isn't.
mircea_popescu: yes, there's an argument to be made for "help out fellow republicans". fine and good, but them fellow republicans'd better be out there converting the world to the republic.
trinque: and since the "fair price" is going to be "what we need" ^ aha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whatever the calculation is, it's not gonna be "im just gonna subsizide whatever-you-guise-feel-like"
asciilifeform: trinque: enlighten me, what exactly price is republican hosting worth to trinque ? is it '10% over what amazon costs' ? or 'the number i've grown used to?' what's the calculation there
diana_coman: myeah, that "into the black in two months" seems to me weird here; the trouble is not even "in two months" but at all; because it has been way more than 2 months and if it keeps going as is, I doubt 10 months would make a difference
mircea_popescu: what is this, retard school ? we don't want "projects" in the playdo sense.
mircea_popescu: the notion whereby "i've been doing something by hand in lieu of what i'm supposed to do" passing muster is not unlike the case where you send girl to buy you shoes and she comes by with "i love you alf" papier mache "8th march -- mother's day!!" gift.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform enumerate the db of each forum touching upon internet, message each single user, report on results.
trinque: barring that the thing's dead.
trinque: negotiate with existing customers re: what cuts they'll suffer, *if* they will, cut, and roll everything you can to actual, aggressive sales efforts
asciilifeform: ftr , and in re whole thread, asciilifeform is entirely all ears re any thoughts trinque , diana_coman , mircea_popescu , et al, have re subj of what gotta be done in order to reach the black.
trinque: don't know if y'all have a realistic perception of what sales takes, and "I'm gonna sell my way into the black in two months" sounds like.
diana_coman: trinque, for s.mg it's less straightforward and it's not even just a matter of backups only; at any rate, it's at best "starvation mode" so I don't see how it really gets pizarro out of trouble; so far it's not even clear that *price* is the trouble re converting really; is it?
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm entirely in agreement with your earlier pt re 'i'd rather have thin pipe than no pipe'. the q is whether the currently unborn subscribers, who are needed in order to go into the black, will agree.
asciilifeform: trinque: i cannot speak for other users, but i saturate it regularly when i make backups
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 19:59 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wants to hire BingoBoingo to do it ; BingoBoingo is looking around for "awk experts" to do it. meanwhile, danielpbarron is out there doing it.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, did you talk to your tech about automating any part of that? << I have not directly requested that no. There was the conversation that lead to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880371 and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881538
asciilifeform: this item is on acct of the geography, and i do not presently know of a cure
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the painful troof is that's riotously 'uncompetitive' vs. ~the reich~, where 'same' price gets you 100mbit/bidirectional ~per machine~
trinque: diana_coman: would reducing the download capacity to 10mbps harm your use case any?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 18:53 BingoBoingo: trinque: I don't have concrete plans. The major part of the DC cost is pipe rather than rack. Renegotiating for less pipe with the datacenter would change the costs we are basing our colocation price off of as well.
BingoBoingo: links earlier mentioned. At present there is one ongoing conversation as a result of this.
BingoBoingo: <diana_coman> BingoBoingo, but how *many* accounts did you message out of how many in the db, over what time, what filter(s) did you use and with what results? << The way I've been walking by hand involves looking at the users online list most forums helpfully still offer and going from there. Recently I've taken to looking for "I got banned from X turdservice" threads and blogs then posting targeted copy as demonstrated in one of the
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 22:15 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there can be no question of 'sharing rack', it's entirely nonstarter. what there are, are half-height racks, in which most of the other customers of that bldg live. but they are bad deal, iirc they only cost slightly less than a full 42 height.
diana_coman: what is the duration of this update cycle or what is it exactly?
mircea_popescu: on a long enough timeline the unlikely becomes certainty\
asciilifeform: in re the uy1 machine: i'ma set up a realtime systemlog printer for that machine. if there's a physical problem with the iron, i expect we will find the culprit shortly.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'd hope it's on acct of it being inside the most recent update cycle. ( BingoBoingo ? ) << This assessment of local liquidity is indeed the latest update cycle, but local liquidity has been growing over the past month.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, on a side note, that iii footnote is funny now "and while it is entirely possible someone strikes a multi-BTC jackpot, it is not altogether very likely"
asciilifeform: i'd hope it's on acct of it being inside the most recent update cycle. ( BingoBoingo ? )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo minus the perceived squishy, not bad.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well for the most part, I have a bank account. We've been doing the fiat auctions, and one of the localbitcoins traders has grown his ablity to handle larger conversions as he's gone full time working his bicycle based currency exchange. So far this can meet our near term needs.
diana_coman: and for that matter what is in the pipe to add more to that db , anyway?
asciilifeform will answr gcd etc. points later, would like to keep the bandwidth clear for BingoBoingo thread
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, but how *many* accounts did you message out of how many in the db, over what time, what filter(s) did you use and with what results?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there can be no question of 'sharing rack', it's entirely nonstarter. what there are, are half-height racks, in which most of the other customers of that bldg live. but they are bad deal, iirc they only cost slightly less than a full 42 height.
mircea_popescu: did you get the bitcoin->fiat thing going ? bank accounts, all that jazz ?