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(trilema) gabriel_laddel: 10:37 - who is that with Thiel, could it be the evil racist Charles Murray?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: if he was spewing trendisms he'd be /supporting/ the MOOCs
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Is he here in #b-a? No.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Yep. Which is my point. Thiel has detected this.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: 06:54 << becuase american college sucks
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: baccarats -> bureaucrats
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Youtube doesn't have grep, and I'm not going to troll through all these videos to find the one I'm thinking of. In any case, in one of them he states that "scientists have been replaced with baccarats" and that "MOOCs are not going anywhere"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and you know this how?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: lemme find the video
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it remains to be seen if he'll grok bitcoin. if he does, he'll probably end up funding interesting things.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Eh, I read his startup notes, he has a brain.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: if you watch thiels videos in particular you can see that he wants to fund interesting things but doesn't know how
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: 4) perhaps the fault lies with those attempting to peruse basic science, for not giving him a heuristic
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: A summary of my points. 1) there are some people attempting to fund basic science 2) I don't agree with all of their funding decisions 3) this isn't the first instance of this occuring in history
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: In Rin's case, idk yet
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, in Chris's case, some research on neural networks
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Christopher Olah
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm not saying that I beneficiary agree with Thiel's funding decisions, but I am pointing out that there are people attempting to fund basic science, and that there are two specific people I've cited who can be vetted for their contributions.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (he is attempting to fund basic science)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: 'you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had', thiel could reply, quoting mr bush << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-02-2015#1035968
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: they will exist in the future, assuming we don't end up glassing the whole planet
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and organized effords have existed in the past
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: my point is that this is an organized effort
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: is this basic science?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Christopher Olah, Thiel fellow. Does research on conv. neural networks.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Does this qualify? will she produce anything of interest? I don't yet know.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: she is doing category theory and physics research.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: this girl was given 100k by Pete Thiel to think.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ here is a blog I've not gotten around to reading yet
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: is that science?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (conceptually basic, atoms and the like, or basic in the sense of a starting point that is eventually abandoned, e.g., alchemy)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (is this 'basic science'? What is basic science?)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the effective use of computing machines iirc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ I don't see that this is true.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "it's admittedly the case that 'basic science' seems to be advanced mostly through 'dumb luck'"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and sometimes it happens through e.g., MIT, Stanford, library of Alexandria, Manhattan Project
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: we know sorta-kinda how it is going to function, but I expect to be pleasantly surprised
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: can you predict exactly what a WoT enabled world will look like?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but that doesn't make it random
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: nor because of "cranks"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: my point is that science does not advance "at random"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: decimation: afaik, no one predicted leonardo, but there were three generations of masters preceding him. He learned from their works
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and countless derps before that
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: It took 3 generations of masters to produce Leonardo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; google Leonardo Da Vinci
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; google symbolics inc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; google manhattan project
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; google John Von Numann
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: nein nein nein nein!
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "measuring the fucking crystals" << "MPEX is just a bitcoin security exchange, just like any other bitoin security exchange"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: From what I could tell, from reading his usenet posts, he continues to work at Occidental research corp.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Ah. I'd like to point out that Al, unlike Mr. M has done useful work in the interim.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: intent to manufacture...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: just so we have a sense?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: well, as the resident expert, would you mind expounding on these costs?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: which you have hand-waved away
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well, I was asking Stan specifically becuase he could supply detailed information as to costs and political constraints
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I don't know the cost associated with calibrating these instruments and can't speak to the truth of that
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: so as to demonstrate exactly why it isn't as easy as "just measure the thing"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: would you mind explaining the exact logistics of the equipment you'd need to put together to run the experiment?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Not as easy as it sounds. Life is finite, as exemplified by MP not reading Al's experiment spec, and Al not being MP
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the US is fucking nuts right now. you live in a bubble of sanity
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !s cognitive dissonance
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If you're not strong enough now, retreat, lick your wounds and then strike when the time is right.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: As far as I can tell, it comes down to the basic strategic necessity of killing your enemy when you indend to.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "1) Search for experimental signs of quantum gravity that violate Einstein's Equivalence Principle and/or the Newtonian inverse-square law."
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: but this is not germane to the issue. << Oh, but it is. These people are prepared to lie at every turn. See the stack overflow post, or the output of the Eot-wash group. If Al or Stan were make a mistake in the run, they'd never be able to test it again.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but the grant funding people don't know this
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: left and right handed machine screws != chirality !11!
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: which is obviously horse shit
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The Eot-wash group won't test this. And the string theorist in that stackoverflow question is more than happy to state that because a large construction of molecules falls at the speed we expect it to, it couldn't possibly happen on a small scale.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: But you have to test it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: What Al would like to test is pretty simple. Is gravity mirror-symmetric? If it is, then you can drop two stereoisomers in a vacuum, and they'll fall at the same rate. We don't know that this is the case, and the universe actually violates mirror-symmetry on many scales. Perhaps a violation will be observable.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: lemme finish making this burrito and I'll write up something on the game being played
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: did you read the stackoverflow post linked above?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the opposition lie through their teeth at every given moment, you don't want to give them anything to work with
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: he isn't giving up, as far as I know, but biding his time
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: iirc, it was an even bet whether the effect - if real - is even large enough to measure with current instrumentation at all << this makes a great deal of sense
(trilema) gabriel_laddel hand-cranked systematization is exactly what I had in mind
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: well, I've not looked at cyc yet, but thanks for the pointer.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is exactly what I was thinking of
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: my basic understanding of category theory is that there are interesting things that can be derived when you break down basic mathematics into some abstractions such as functors, mappings etc.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: nah, the obvious, in the case of category theory: Sucking up all the mathematics ever via some OCR routines and categorizing it via computer. Have an intern write a parser for latex -> ast
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it seem to me that they're not doing the obvious, which bothers me somewhat.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: btw, do you know any category theory?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: we just have to wait
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: reality will do a backtracking branch cut soon enough
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm not going to claim to know that the math works out unless I do it myself though
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: that should be clear to anyone reading it
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: glosses over the whole point of the experiment, which he would know if he has read it)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (for the record, I've not run the numbers on Schwartz's experiment yet, don't know for sure yet that it is valid, but can say that yes, everything he says is falsifiable and yes, everyone who say "he is a crank" etc. is a lying scumbag for not pointing out the exact sentence where he missteps. EG: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7757/weak-equivalence-principle-tests in which a "string theorist" knowingly
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "he refused to stop living"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: nope. The one where you detailed your relationship with your father
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: /s/grasshopper/dragonfly
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Incidentally this is what Sean Parker's father did, and Sean is one of the coolest Silly con valley people
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: as to why you killed it and not a wolf?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The reason these things are interesting is becuase they exist independently of us, they're unavoidable.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If your kid is asking question - answer them. They'll arrive at coding and mathematics by themselves.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: he then tries to convince the kid that they should go home and code instead of answering the kids questions
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: this is exactly correct. PG, for example, sees me coding in a coffee shop, is there with his kid.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "This in turn because they've failed to live, as an actual act in this world, and impose their existence upon those children,so that everyone may be happy. Instead everyone's frustrated."
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: also, any more information on the Chinese run?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: do you have pointers to any information about Uncle Al's roach repellent other than mailing list / forum posts and the patent?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Even if he knows what he is doing, still a fuckwit. Everyone knows the story of the scorpion and the monk, right?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: He has people run their grubby little fingers through all HN comments, and they warn people who are too "right-wing"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: That sam altman is a fuckwit isn't in contention amongst those in here.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://imgur.com/zwz0KnY << does this quality? I've not heard of this "darkhaired goldilocks" before...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: sounds like home
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: local political situation (are the orcs known as such?), number of useful nuclear engineers to take care of the two reactors you've got etc.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: perhaps mircea_popescu will expound on the situation there?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I will note for those reading, Argentina's orcs look the part.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: in any case, I don't plan to be around for it
(trilema) gabriel_laddel is not entirely sure how things will play out, but MF's prescription is really the only available option
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: nah, those who invest in voodoo will get slaughtered by those who enact the plan you voiced on Mr. M's blog.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: how so?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: -- Milton Friedman
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Vaguely related:
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I suspect we won't have to wait long.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Vaguely related to the conversation above, I'm hoping for a war sometime soon - they are a good way to go about separating content from nonsense. Von N., Teller, etc. wouldn't have been able to work on the atomic bomb without the various powers that be helping out.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Hunting humans? Of course.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ on the macro scale, far more damaging
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: well yes, c does modify the rewards pathway, but one neednt do it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: else it is simply far too boring
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: related to "cocaine" - the only way I can do boring parsing tasks anymore is by drinking enough caffine to get high.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: cocaine causes your brain to atrophy?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: also, I've been doing this programming thing for going on 3 years - let me be clear - I /hate/ it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: my search failed, but I specifically remember you complaining in here about what you currently do. You've been doing this for some time now iirc
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !s how did I end up doing this?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ! how did I end up doing this?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: after putting your brain through x86 etc. you're unable to think non-von neumann?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm glad to have communicated that.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: And yes, we probably are doomed to disagree.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If your goal is to do a chip level restart, one needn't start there, from a business perspective.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I disagree. You want to do this in one fell swoop. There are other ways to go about it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: My point with the 20k is that there are individuals who are willing to fund such ventures. Yes, MP hasn't put up 5MM usd for sane computing, but afaik, no one has proposed such a plan to him.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'd happily pay 100k for a computer that actual /worked/
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I agree. My point is that there is a market.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Also, MP gave 20K to openBSD - there are people willing to fund such ventures.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ you'll remember this
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Yes. Someone needs to specify their requirements, then someone else needs to take a trip to china, find suppliers etc. and assemble somthing sane. Like system76, except not for Ubuntu crap
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (I have a $300 compaq that I prefer to any apple crapware - same one as MP iirc)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: feminist theater
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: feminist computing, about as good as feministfim
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: unsurprising. Mine would get extremely hot for no particular reason.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Also, I /don't like/ the macbook retina, fancy as it may be
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The things these VCs fund are simply /strange/
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "why funded and by whom ?" << I really can't figure this out, it's like the relationship the USG club have with the Saudis. *mumble mumble* ... little boys... *mumble mumble*
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I don't think it's a scam exactly... what they want is for nothing to change, and he provided it. :/
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "urbit-flavoured webdev" lol where?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: urbit it teh lameness
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the impotent bezzle-lords?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "Where do you want to go today?" To a Sharashka or garden-variety GULAG? Largely a matter of taste (and luck.)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I hope you like carving toys (or demunging databases) for Mr. Altman and his ilk. Because that is what we'll both be doing soon enough. If permitted to live...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Could we instead ask for concertina wire, mine fields, and automatic turrets separating the human beings - with their robotic plenty - from the zombies, with their decay and hunger for flesh?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Has anyone considered the possibility that the living dead are kept around, safe from the Soilent Green pot, encouraged to be fruitful and multiply, etc. precisely to help make arbeit macht frei ever so slowly more palatable to the remaining humans?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Who gets to become a "delicate aristocrat," dodging carving duty, and why?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: In an "arbeit macht frei" world, will you - in particular - be permitted to busy yourself with writing unorthodox operating systems - or, for that matter, articles like this one? Or with carving wooden toys?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Question for Mr. M:
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I think this "Stanislav Datskovskiy" guy has the right idea though...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've listened to my friends talk about their sibling's lives at google. They make (nominally) lots of money, but it all is consumed by the costs of living.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the hell that googlers live in now is amusing
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: also the kibbutz is a voluntary arrangement afaik
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Used for communal something-or-other
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Incidentally, a friend of mine from Romania told me a story about what happened to his family's house during the communist revolution: It was seized, concrete was poured on the (expensive hardwood!) floors after it was stripped of any valuables.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Eliana: "All you jews think about is money!"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "Well did you get the $50?"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "Nope. All he did was sprinkle some holy water on me and say 'your father in heaven accepts you. Amen'"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Eliana returns. "Well did it work?"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: * Eliana enters the church while Abigail waits outside. *
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Eliana: Wow, 50! Let's try it out
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The daughters Schwartz were walking home, and see a sign "Become Catholic, receive $50"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; ud Chinese recreation
(trilema) gabriel_laddel is confused as to why anyone would play dice online
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and generating names is... easy.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Stunna: This is why I was asking. Google's OCR will solve your CAPCHA.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron: and there we go, he only let's you pull yout over 0.001 BTC
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron: ty.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: whatever.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: from an account I just made
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: not on my behalf, for free
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: that I know can be solved by an OCR program running on my pc right now
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: he appears to be giving away free bitcoin, and all you have to do to get an account is supply and IP and a stupid little "read the letters thing"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: No escrow
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron: got an account handy?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron: same question I just posed to BingoBoingo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Stunna: are you seriously giving away btc?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: which took all of like 11 seconds
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I want to try sending you some coin from the account I just put together on prime dice
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: do you have a btc address handy?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: yo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I was looking for an article with photos from MP touring the US where he comments something to effect of "the US is fucked, it is a collection of people who have nothing in common". In any case, the hotel article should suffice.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "time travel hitler" lolol
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !s ethnic war is just like regular war except that the uniforms are glued on
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: eh, not what I wanted, and I don't care to find the article. In any case, what is 'your country' anyway?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; site: trilema.com "America isn't a people"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The very same. Lovely music, this.
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