asciilifeform: diana_coman: 1 immediate q : why do the worker jobs have to be terminated & rebirthed ( rather than having N , 1 per cpu, and 4evah infinite loop of plucking work from queue & placing in finishedworx queue when done ) ?
diana_coman: sometimes I wonder if practical-minded is not the polite way of saying unimaginative but anyways
diana_coman: well yes, less harmful, perhaps even pretty for a bit (until one remembers that they are anyway just flying worms of sorts)
diana_coman: since fluturi are butterflies, they are obviously lighter and not loud but also without much substance and not long lived
diana_coman: I'll add to gargauni, goange and barzauni the "fluturi" as one might have those too!
asciilifeform: ( incidentally afaik hedgehog is not found in the americas. and i do not know specifically why, gotta presume that ~someone~ must've set some loose at some point -- but they cannot live here )
asciilifeform: y'know , sorta like how zoologists found iirc that hedgehog (the most flea-infested known , afaik, beast) can be de-flea'd, and breed similarly clean hedgehog
mircea_popescu: there's a reason maga's but a dream.
mircea_popescu: hence why "goange & gargauni" implies a gender-balanced population, whereas the other'd go better with eg gunnery sgt hartman's job.
mircea_popescu: goange more generic name, and i fear the implication is that female headspace not worthy of such distinctions, to be described generically.
mircea_popescu: romanians imply various subtle distinction. eg, "gargaun" would be the sort of skittering beetle that digs unseen and ruins structures, like termite or weevil (the folk name of which, "gargarita", very much model for name)
mircea_popescu: the problem is the breakdown of the fambly. father should have craked skull let all the goange & gargauni out long before 18th bday.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the usg.'youth' eagerly and w/out much massage swallow the 'you have Great Ideas!11' idjicy ( where reality is 'yer a not-yet-dry lemon to squeeze' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun find the [] irritating at all
asciilifeform: if he finds how to make the eater survive broken lines , will be double win
mircea_popescu: kinda seems to me the alternative of unanchored urls even more infuriating
asciilifeform: imho this is great format ( tho phf hasn't baked the eater of it yet )
mircea_popescu: it's a wonder nobody ever "figures out" the grand usgistani preoccupation with "youth" is entirely built out of a solid bedrock of "you will disapoint" certainty.
BingoBoingo: In other wild finds relating to http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ See: Pinned Tweet Charlie Shrem Verified account @CharlieShrem 20 Feb 2017: Watch me go from CEO to Dishwasher in "Disrupting Money" (derpurl)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ftr, ~each~ memo line for the ~same machine~ during the past 4 billings reads differently.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 01:24 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-june-july-and-august-1715-account-of-books-ii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July and August, 1715. - Account of Books - II.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 19:18 mircea_popescu: the high level i suppose is disputable ; but when getting down to practicals, i was still reading the bottom line on the eye chart at time-and-a-half the distance when we fitted bimbo for glasses.
asciilifeform: the idea , i think, is to stop before the fungus sets in an' you start producing those.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe you end up reinventing java then.
asciilifeform: it develops as the odometer rolls.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, q being though ...what's wrong with moving to the forest anyway?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the matter being, that with the machines in the shit our simpler brothers (whom jahweh still awaits in his special place in his kingdom) it's much easier for children than for adults to maintain interest in the damned things.
asciilifeform: arguably both asciilifeform & brother had 'too much screen' , given as both grew to program for bread, life of sin.
asciilifeform didnt have 'restriction' as such, but when was single-digit y.o. shared what was left of the day's cpu after brother had eaten
mircea_popescu: sleep is for later, when he goes to bed with girls. ALL THE TIME FOR SLEEP IN THE WORLD THEN!
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I never had screen restriction either but for one thing, I did not start at 4 and for the other there is plenty other stuff (including sleep!) that needs to fit it so...
mircea_popescu: the high level i suppose is disputable ; but when getting down to practicals, i was still reading the bottom line on the eye chart at time-and-a-half the distance when we fitted bimbo for glasses.
mircea_popescu: (i am right in thinking the "move just as it approaches so it turns around" trick is common knowledge yes ?)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman not as long as you think, i recall the same exact summer i went from fearing the forks in june to playing with them for sport in august.
asciilifeform: ah hm i may have overestimated the size
BingoBoingo: In other olds, the present live version of this archived url shows nothing but EU General Derp Protection Act redaction notice https://archive.is/msyuN
asciilifeform: i played good chunk of those back when was same size as him and at elder brother's mercy for cpu cycles, lol, also
diana_coman: he still has restriction on too much screen time so there is that factor too
asciilifeform: diana_coman: np. lemme know which flavours the kid ended up liking, i may have moar in the depths of the warez chests along those lines.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you can get hold of actual dos box with e.g. 'soundblaster', most of what's in there oughta work, in principle.
asciilifeform: ( ~700MB , and cannot guarantee that all items will work on emulator, some of'em did require fiddling w/ config.sys etc in the olden days.. )
asciilifeform: !!later tell diana_coman: finally dug up the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-03#1892086 item ( believe or not, '98 disk reads a++ ) : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/vintage/oldies.tar.gz . you'll need 'arj' but that ought not to be problem on dos box.
mircea_popescu goes to write the last month;'s report. which was going to get done sooner if we didn't end up drinking a lot of sangrias an' partying with the hooters waitresses.
mircea_popescu: trinque iirc spyked was sorta chasing the same bug.
mircea_popescu: very much truth, btw, i don't know there exist three girls alive that've fucked more lesbians than you truly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the everlulz, Cisza 21F sub 3h "Don't you know what lesbian means? fuck you" LordMPofTMSR "Lmao. I should know, I'm sure I fucked more than you."
BingoBoingo: BTC/USD price implied by the opening offer is 3278.69 USD/BTC
BingoBoingo: ^ Just under 21 hours left to bid in the Pizarro fiat buying auction
asciilifeform: ( cpu is intel , 'N455', 1 of their earliest 64bit lappy product )
asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )
BingoBoingo: Also in local news the police apparently raided the wrong house yesterday and a lulzy tape of herps hammering for minutes on the mundane for here front door gate before entering is lulzy tape.
BingoBoingo: In other news, some sort of Derp about Vzla meeting in town today. Going to be popping in and out of Datacenter just to be seen and watch the glory of the blinkenlights
asciilifeform: when comes time to cycle the mains, plox to ping BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: a++ BingoBoingo , ty for the hands
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
trinque: BingoBoingo: sure, makes sense. is the reason I didn't bake such a thing clear?
asciilifeform: meanwhile, as BingoBoingo marches to the magick cellar, today's trilemalotto yields : http://trilema.com/2014/the-finfisherfinspy-story-for-posterity/
asciilifeform: this will be good test for 'can light up cuntoo from in a heathen gentoo'
BingoBoingo: We've got http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2295 but nothing similar for AMD64, after a day reading docs and working the brain I lack answers for "wat do" which appear palatable or right.
BingoBoingo: On the other hand my technical director is buried in work, Republican and Saecular. The boot drive we had been using to stand up boxes infrequently as we have... this box doesn't want to boot to. I would like to offer as pleasant an environment as possible for the customer's experiment, and for that... I suspect any old Debian will not do. The more time they have to do their experiment and the less they spend making the environment
BingoBoingo: In one hand I have a very enviable problem in a repeat customer wanting a box stood up. With that box the customer intends to have very capable hands under his control test the cuntoo build process. As a bonus they are offering to molest USB sticks into cuntoo propagators.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I've intentionally not produced any additional binaries which would bring into question whether future boojums came from me or gentoo upstream
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you find that you wanna experiment with the x60, you will like that the radio nic comes out without hacksaws & drills ( 1 screw ) .
a111: Logged on 2017-05-11 18:07 mircea_popescu: so then what did you like about apu1 in the first place ?
asciilifeform: but if yer concern is more 'how many fit on a shelf' -- it's a champ. approx the size of 1.5 vhs tapes.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-06 15:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for that matter, the starvation-cheap machine in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 , 'samsung n150', same chipset as x60 . cost me exactly fiddybux on fleamarkets.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-06#1893257 << incidentally, must add that i do ~not~ recommend this box , unless yer experimenting with the linked display thing; it takes good chunk of hour to get disk in/out of it on acct of braindamaged mechanical design of chassis
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am going to head down to the basement to put two old RK drives in dulap for zeroing and to retrieve the USB to SATA cable for zeroing the rust
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: let's use ( unless mircea_popescu specifically prefers the usb stick for somereason )
BingoBoingo found a couple 160GB rust spinners going through the luggage, one of them can be repurposed to keep hanbot from having to work off of USB 2.0
asciilifeform: i dun have a magical recipe for 'program to make sense'. approached problem by consciously avoiding all the various 'perlisms' knew of that typically prevent it; then wrote proggy with ~50% comment mass by weight ( but who can guarantee that they suffice ? ) , + the proofs/articles.
asciilifeform: ( and asciilifeform is the last who could answer definitively the q of whether succeeded to 'program to make sense', only the readers can answer it )
mircea_popescu: the ur example being of course "Although optimum is an absolute term, like unique, it became common verbal practice to make it relative: not quite optimum or less optimum or not very optimum. Mel called the maximum time-delay locations the most pessimum."
mircea_popescu: and i'm not even sure it's yet detailed enough (not to mention the part where -- "to make any sense of this you must headload log anyways")
mircea_popescu: yes "object oriented" verbosity is ridoinculous. nevertheless there is A LOT of meta involved that no ida ever sucks out, cuz it's not machine-accessible. which is why both eucrypt and ffa published chapters look like they do.
mircea_popescu: maybe it was already ending by time of doom, but i guarantee you that if i had orig author of said 2mb of asm "source" of dos in the dungeon, i'd be stuck producing A LOT OF accompanying notation through interrogation.
mircea_popescu: because fuck, one guy and his wife can make zexcellent-80 games in bedroom over summer, without bothering to DOCUMENT how that much
mircea_popescu: ie, with or without "cathedral & bazaar", "copyleft" etc bs, something very akin to "the effects of open source" would have occured ANYWAY
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they dun even like to mention that typical gnuturd is 80-90% autoconfolade by mass
mircea_popescu: people (the actual people, i mean) only started perceiving the need to ~even write down most of it~ sometime in the 90s.
mircea_popescu: back in the 16 bit days, MOST software existed in a verrrry soft manner indeed.
mircea_popescu: this is a large portion of what the "champions" of "the open source revolution" generally omit to mention :
mircea_popescu: kinda for this reason, back i nthe day "sources" meant a LOT of "brain content" so to speak.
asciilifeform: i have the sores, it's coupla mb of asm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's then nostalgiate for good ol' dos, which sat happily on 360kb flop.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo give me however many fit / you want to spare, she can cuntoo-image them all for you free of charge. << Sounds like a plan. Gathering materials.
mircea_popescu: i recall the times a slim os was judged by "fits on one 7"."
trinque: whole point was to slim the thing down to minimal set that'll boot and compile w/e else you wanted
asciilifeform: it'll run at usb2 speed ( the contemplated
asciilifeform: so then. BingoBoingo plox to take 1 of these and feed to mircea_popescu . the caveat is that it ~may~ fail prior to 1mo.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo give me however many fit / you want to spare, she can cuntoo-image them all for you free of charge.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're certain you won't need fast disk of >1mo of operation, we can feed you one of the still-working retired rk drives
mircea_popescu: or in general. i want 2gb films like i want the clap. if god didn't mean films to be 700mb he wouldn't have made cd's that big.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's not so much win from 64 on lappies where max ram e.g. 3GB.
BingoBoingo: Based on last month's colo a month is 0.03542500, individuals SSD's are on our book at 0.04744204 BTC. asciilifeform, as technical director is it reasonable to short term rent an SSD or are SSD's something that need to be sold. My inclination is SSD attaches to customer. Disinclined to reuse these things or pass them between customers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was the transition period when intel was tryin' to liquidate last stock of 32b item, tru
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there were at least 4 variants. i haven't encountered the 32b one tho.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-11 18:49 asciilifeform: aaaaaaaaaalso in order to do this you will need the patched bios.
mircea_popescu shall go into the storages.
asciilifeform: they're ~eternal so unlikely you'll want >1, unless equipping pupils
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you do, get the x60 ( asciilifeform , phf, using w/ patched bios & old gentoo )
mircea_popescu: evidently, this isn't the first time.
mircea_popescu is waveriong whether he wants to actually buy an x-pad or can't be arsed.
asciilifeform: i dun so much these days ( rarely leave house... lol )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: x- was when freshly chinesated but the contents not yet changed.
asciilifeform: ( and the last to work w/ linuxbios, if one inclined to experiment with same)
mircea_popescu: the ibm stuff was T-whatever.
mircea_popescu: a wait, yes, x-s are lenovos aren't they.
asciilifeform: it was pretty much the last intel chipset on lappy which linuxed without pile of ??? breakages afaik.
asciilifeform: there were 9000 boxen with that chipset, '09-10
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for that matter, the starvation-cheap machine in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 , 'samsung n150', same chipset as x60 . cost me exactly fiddybux on fleamarkets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc t40 was the last 32bit pentium stinkpad
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ? << I don't hate the thinkpad x120e, AMD E350 Bobcat chip
asciilifeform: (for which asciilifeform posted patched bios, and on which baked the trimmed gentoo which then trinque matured into cuntoo etc)
mircea_popescu: the pre-shit days x60 was 32 bit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g. the well-known x60
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when hanbot goes to do this exercise, ping BingoBoingo so he can do his duty in the cage cycling mains for the unit if necessary
mircea_popescu: vaguely relatedly, is there such a thing as a 64 bit laptop that's acceptable as far as anyone knows ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta the point of nailing down cuntoo etc. to avoid the quite unpleasant 'hrm i need a box, lemme visit junkyard and see if they have pieces of old lada'
mircea_popescu: if for no other reason then because i'd really like to slim it out in the coming years.
mircea_popescu: one day there's gonna be an accounting of all these dead days, "well, master ordered me to so and so, so i went through the piles, picked laptop, then discovered needs gentoo but not clear which gentoo, links dead, so ima pick one, then next day discovered it dun work on machine i selected before knowing the relevant criteria and turns out i dun have one that meets and holy shit".
mircea_popescu: convenient, seeing how it then also cuts some intermediate steps, i guess ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's an ancient gentoo boot stick baked by ben_vulpes kept on hand for such occasions.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you fill this order, plox to bring up that box with a usb boot stick and give it ip, so hanbot doesn't have to use the quite unpleasant kvm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a # of 1b ssd in stock. BingoBoingo plox to give mircea_popescu a quote for same.
mircea_popescu: the race being on, i'm curious if "check trinque 's sig" can be done in 1 mo or not.
asciilifeform: '141.7 USD/mo, billed in BTC at the beginning of every month.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's in the snsa broadcasts, lol
asciilifeform: the standard color rate we get dulap for
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 03:08 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-04#1892264 << looks like spyked is going to take care of it (though, I dun mind rsyncing it as well) >> http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-201.0-213.84
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892703 <-- I'ma give it a try and report. if it's more complicated than a rsync, I'll come up with a method to (at the very least) make the archive accessible to L1 after I grab it
trinque: once we get across the gap, can easily rebuild for w/e
trinque: I don't plan on porting the bootstrapper to other architectures; it'll be better once the bridge has been crossed to crosscompile for various other archs (arm, i686, toaster)
hanbot: gentooers: looking @ thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt, i direct myself to the distfiles @ gentoo.ussg.indiana.edu and find noffin' for i686; do we not have a gentoo frozen for it?
mircea_popescu: a there it was!
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 23:05 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weirdly that doesn't yield either. i coudl've sworn we had a logthread on african "career women" and euro powdered milk.
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2993 << Loper OS -- Lost Technology: The PQ3QI-01 Sunl...able Display.
mircea_popescu: nah, the dutch item.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:43 asciilifeform: ( and magicking as result the privatizationlulz into being )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893154 << if you're into these, the story of the west india trading co and the corp boom, the involvement of said newton, and of the king's finance dept is well worth a study.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:30 asciilifeform: nuffin here is healthy or whole, it is like living on those tomatoes they grow in chernobyl exclusion zone
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893127 << you have no idea. should see them butcher the classics, "proust expert", "let me read you some latin", jesus f christ.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform weirdly that doesn't yield either. i coudl've sworn we had a logthread on african "career women" and euro powdered milk.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 18:11 mircea_popescu: in short : the point here is that we control ~the process~ of education, not ~the outcomes~ of education.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:29 diana_coman: it has nothing to do with what student might or might not be able to do; if you have a course on X and the main reference is Z then Z is the main recommended book regardless of anything else, what
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893123 << for all the wank re "science of education", entire field is exactly at shaman stage, something as basic as http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892871 entirely undiscovered arcana.
asciilifeform: ameripharma is just tip of the iceberg.
mircea_popescu: can't locate now the discussion of danone giving out "free baby formula" to moronic (aka "aspirational") orc females just for long enough to suspend natural lactation, and etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:19 asciilifeform: ( what little of use that ~does~ exist in eng, is 'ancient' and 'wouldn't do!11' to assign, cuz threadbare faculty would rather pad own pockets and send chumpers to buy ~their~ dead tree rubbish )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893094 << quite like the medicine. oh, sulfa NO GOOD. let's not even start on http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-12#918823 lest we end up straight with http://trilema.com/2011/ecologistii-cei-mai-ipocriti-dintre-paminteni/#selection-47.1-51.521 "why EXACTLY is philiphs paying govts to ruin 3rd world's manufacturing"
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/belgian-minister-forced-off-the-job-for-pointing-out-obviously-organized-protest-was-organized/ << Qntra -- Belgian Minister Forced Off The Job For Pointing Out Obviously Organized Protest Was Organized
diana_coman: I've found it online but not for download, and in piecemeal fashion rather than full thing
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'radio zvezda' has a bunch on their www iirc.
asciilifeform: ( and magicking as result the privatizationlulz into being )
asciilifeform: in '90s ru, there was joke that went around where eltsin had sworn on a copy somehow instead of bible
BingoBoingo: Well, also they were doing the advanced nuclear chemisty *INSIDE* copious dirt to kick up.
asciilifeform: btw didja ever read 'neznaika on the moon'
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, I do NOT barf at all at Neznaika and at Nosov in general and yes, I read them as a child an in Romanian and loved them; and I re-read them at 12 and at 19 and at 25 and STILL loved them
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There were a couple dirtier uncontained Nevada tests than 'bikini' The 'Ploughshares' series was especially salty
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can barf at the communist kid b00kz, but seems to me that even there result is considerably closer to human and farther from bonsaikitten of disney princess etc.
diana_coman: thing is: it's ~never about what you'd "rather" but ~always about what you'd NOT stand
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, 80+% of that very strontium is there on acct of ameritards having their fireworx )
diana_coman: it's even precisely the cover I remember, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: strontium is in the milk of erry cow alive, but still wouldntcha rather drink from cow in ro than from chernobyl.
asciilifeform: which were these, diana_coman
diana_coman: hmmmm, a tiny Diana loved those well-written children stories; and then she re-read them at age 12 or so and was so shocked to see how much propaganda they were....; my point being: I doubt there is any place which is not "subtly poison" of one sort or another
asciilifeform: except that i dun think anywhere in civilized world keeps the insane in anyffin resembling the conditions.
asciilifeform: erry time asciilifeform gets a chance to walk out, going back feels rather like back to insane asylum.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu at one pt walked around in usa for coupla ~yrs~ and then noticed and took the first plane out and never set foot again
asciilifeform: errything is subtly poison. and not merely the air, water, food ( these -- so obv. that even the localtards understand, generally ) -- but the ~thought~
asciilifeform: nuffin here is healthy or whole, it is like living on those tomatoes they grow in chernobyl exclusion zone
diana_coman: well, not in the US (got once to Boston for a conf. and that's all) and not in English education system at any rate, true
diana_coman: it has nothing to do with what student might or might not be able to do; if you have a course on X and the main reference is Z then Z is the main recommended book regardless of anything else, what
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, to close the circle, yrs later i actually ran into kurosh ed. in 100% king's english
diana_coman: yes, it has to be here, top of the list if it's tops; it's not "recommend for X's and Y's capabilities" but "recommend for Z topic" , isn't it?
diana_coman: set the brighter students to translate it if need be, but anyways, recommend it
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:18 asciilifeform: e.g. brin elder would've luvved to assign e.g. kurosh as the textbook, i suspect, but could not , it dun exist afaik in eng
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893092 -> honestly, I don't see it: if he luvved to then WHY not recommend it? in martian if that's what it is in, wtf
diana_coman: well, then still only...remains
asciilifeform: by the time i got to'em already mostly eaten by termites inside.
asciilifeform: i found some prior to them expiring, didnt make much diff
diana_coman: pitty you didn't find the prof before finding only his...remains as it were
diana_coman: it's actually even translated to Ro, I still have the volumes on my shelf though I go and read...the English version :D
diana_coman: oh, huh; at least they DID mention Knuth to us
asciilifeform: of course there was 1 at the library (at the time, naodays library mostly hollowed out), the tomes stuck together from age, just like the lenin on the 4th floor
diana_coman: just in case anyone wonders: it was anyway all in English, not like one had much in Romanian on the topic (and to this day, reading CS in Romanian is just not worth it)
asciilifeform: i went to what at the time was supposed to be a 'decent' public uni in usa, and do you think anyone assigned knuth ?
asciilifeform: ( what little of use that ~does~ exist in eng, is 'ancient' and 'wouldn't do!11' to assign, cuz threadbare faculty would rather pad own pockets and send chumpers to buy ~their~ dead tree rubbish )
diana_coman: well yes, the noob part being that a. I had not realised that a good book was actually something rare - I had just put it all on the teachers' incompetence/lack of interest in recommending something useful b. it took me that long to realise fully the difference between the bullshit stuff that was abundantly provided and something useful
asciilifeform: e.g. brin elder would've luvved to assign e.g. kurosh as the textbook, i suspect, but could not , it dun exist afaik in eng
asciilifeform: i can't speak for europistans, but in 'new world' this is a dire problem, there largely ~aint~ any good book.
diana_coman: since you were asking re "noob diana_coman": while at Uni, 2nd year or so, I had this outburst at some point: wtf IF only you'd recommend a GOOD book ffs instead of all the bullshit
diana_coman: the logarithmic/exponential model? http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/
asciilifeform: some folx write to kill tree, others -- to actually get the material across to reader.
diana_coman: to know what to ignore, that's the...skill
asciilifeform: and dun intend to touch the remainder .
asciilifeform: that whole chunk of the lang that one is simply better off ignoring
asciilifeform: i'd even say that 80+% of the thing consists of rakes, by mass
diana_coman: myeah, true; just wanted to point out this sort of rakes for potential noobs out there
asciilifeform: ( and the standard docs, but go an' try to learn lang from those )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's a pretty dubious b00k. problem is, i dun have anyffin to recommend to engl. readers other than it
diana_coman: speaking of Barnes' Ada book: it IS very useful and I certainly do go back to it quite often still for all sorts but it still has at times such ideas that I can't stand; e.g. "The reader will probably feel that the activation mechanism is somewhat elaborate. However, in practice, the details will rarely need to be considered. They are mentioned in order to show that the mechanism is well defined rather than because of their everyday import
asciilifeform: hrm, dun seem to be in the log.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1893054 -> that must be THE way to learn languages: 2 at a time, russian+ada in one go to not feel like wasting time
diana_coman: feeding into the earlier discussion re noobs: of those 14 accepted entries to that competition (+6 failed entries and supposedly out of ALL the Romanian blogs), only 7 still exist online and anyway stopped writing in 2011 -2014
asciilifeform: the barnes b00k is a veeerry distand 2nd
asciilifeform: imho ~still~ the a++ best intro text.
mircea_popescu: you're right, that'd be the correct entrypoint.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc Mocky actually captured all of the old ada threads in his review
a111: Logged on 2016-05-04 00:56 mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other nyooz, my 'ada 2012 ref man.' is here. << that's neat. thought we were leaning towards the '95 standard?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, for completeness, the matter was more or less disposed may 2016 : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-04#1462227
a111: Logged on 2015-02-26 19:36 asciilifeform: none of the post-95 features are likely to be usable on a bare-metal build
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:37 asciilifeform: diana_coman: fwiw i didn't end up on 2012 blindly, actually walked the feature ladder and consciously picked.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:06 diana_coman: but that's the point: side-channels are permissive, #trilema is not; and on the sharp end of it, coming in too early can result in negrate
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892758 << i specifically ~don't~ read them, among other real or imagined reasons specifically so i don't end up galled by some random infantilism and then carry it about.
mircea_popescu: the problem with asking questions in here.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-04 20:00 mircea_popescu: i guess ima put this in the report, "lost cto to binge reading ancient html site"
asciilifeform: i dun actually know the orig story of diana_coman
mircea_popescu: she'd have no trouble at all getting an invite, huh ? such is the payoff of hard work!
asciilifeform: lol 'if grandmother had balls'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: and it works equally well with the dead, it's the time when eg lardner ended up in log. and so on.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't map directly, but if diana_coman were a noob that'd be the time i'd be like, "btw guise..."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-02 21:00 mircea_popescu: now, it seems to me the case that since there's little benefit in having more threads than cores, it is perfectly acceptable (in this situation) to hold these in an array set as to whatever maximum is reasonable. 32 or 64 or whatever count.
mircea_popescu: eg http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-02#1891844 happened specifically because "hm, this private convo... shouldn't die in smg boardroom". not the first time, either.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892752 << very much self-solving, "by the time they ask things that result in discussions you regret not having in #trilema"... well... why regret.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 14:00 diana_coman: fwiw my current (even recently updated!) rule for "when to invite" is ~ "when they are either asking intelligent questions in side-chan already OR have made something useful OR have a concrete, interesting proposition explored first in side-chan"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-03 22:58 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When do you anticipate having brain space/time available to revisit the mechanization thread?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suspect it would do you well to carve out some time this week or next to take in the tract on America. The off season devolution models this very much and can't fairly be summarized.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what that was, very livresque reference to elliott, the whole foot thing.