decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/05/a-good-guy-with-a-gun/ < note that a single regular beat cop with a 9mm handgun was what stopped the crazy 'terrorists' in texas
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, he linked to articles mentioning a Vancleef who was the same Vancleef in the CFTC hearings
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:44:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129826 << sadly, i have nfi. there's a bunch of ru/ukr photogs that do fetish-y/arts-y stuff in the style of met, but i can't trace this one.
mircea_popescu: guy, if he has any sense, will go "hey, you kill me - they kill you."
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:39:27; asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129815 << this point is particularly amusing. what will the soldiers sent to kill the next obama do ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ? << Nah, most "officers" same just Iraw army aged out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: "assumes that usa will occupy self with same army - and same aimlessness - with which it occupied iraq. this is not a proven fact." << lemme guess... they have a meta army in reserve, just haven't been using it because reasons ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the sluts in question <<< doesn't change the fact that the sentiment was genuine.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo just saying, once he publishes it on his blog, that's that, no qntra. << Sure. Maybe it is a congitive bias of myself, but I assume persona; wordfests would always get the best Tips and Tricks (TM firstest)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: incorrect. from these figures alone << then they're not terribly useful figures are they :D
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> im not even sure wtf anti aircraft guns are supposed to even do anymore <<Anti-personelle duty fron the aim impoverished.\
decimation: mircea_popescu: the reason distinctness and stupidity are married is because social democracy sucks anyone with half a brain out of his native soil and places him in bureaucracy
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it. what news would it be then. << Principle objection to how too articles
asciilifeform has always liked the british 'devil's wind' cannon punishment, but for some reason grew up believing at first that it had been invented by the turks
BingoBoingo: As far as lower Korea is concerned they beat the Chicoms by having anti aircraft guns entrenched mostest
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:08:53; trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129657 << pretty sure they can't simply republish it. what news would it be then.
assbot: Introducing the Bitcoin ISP on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1F67oOG )
BingoBoingo likes the rando commenters addopting scamzor names and trying to out a comment by the since quit pankkake: http://trilema.com/2015/introducing-the-bitcoin-isp/
mod6: anyone know if service starts up on its own in the uclibc version?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129660 << sadly, distinctness and stupidity are pretty much married these days.
asciilifeform: and the disgraced and supposedly blown-from-cannons fella has, just as believably, been alleged to have been seen in public again.
mod6: Alright I've got a Gentoo AMD64 uclibc hardened booted successfully. I basically just had a few minor tweaks to make to the notes; i.e., uclibc version doens't install grub by default, there is no /etc/locale.gen by default. That kinda thing.
BingoBoingo of all things wants land in USia capable of growing serious onions, for the only reason that onion futures in USia are banned
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anbd re wynn's mishap : http://www.google.com.ar/url?url=http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2006/10/23/the-40-million-elbow&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ei=1MxSVZXzHsOdgwTPxYAo&ved=0CBoQFjAB&usg=AFQjCNHcHL4pbfohTFpHaR9wDiL5DGoE2A
asciilifeform: this is -not- the classic set!
asciilifeform remembers the 'test de americana' in sierra's 'leisure suit larry'
mircea_popescu: o btw, the romanians failed this http://trilema.com/2011/test-de-americana/ "test of americana" back in the day.
asciilifeform: has nothing to do with aesthetics, and everything with a kind of bizarre monetization.
asciilifeform: decimation: notice the obsession with authentication. of, even, jackson pollack's splatters
decimation: the net effect is that it makes rich people think they are big shots and strokes the egos of the academic idiots
asciilifeform: decimation: the entire art market is wholly and solely a kind of 'low-tech bitcoin' for fiat lizards
BingoBoingo: <decimation> apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high << I price my iris and daisy rhizomes high because historical artifacts. FBI surrendered to BTC once in this yard
decimation: "Everybody in Chicago has what is--three and a half million people in the metropolitan area and $35 billion, like three thousand dollar [?] endowment sitting in the basement of this museum."
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin isp thread on trilema has turned into one of the flat out strangest things i've witnessed online lately.
decimation: apparently the actual valuation of art in us art museums is hilariously high
mircea_popescu: decimation this is strictly better than selling them to that texan idiot that put his fist through em
decimation: becuase it would be unethical to sell one to a museum in grand rapids so they could display it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nobody caters to anything but the govt where you live.
decimation: "'? Guest: Any museum--I'm paraphrasing--it basically says any museum that sells art for any purpose for any purpose other than to buy more art--so it's okay if you have three paintings by Painter A and none by Painter B and you like Painter B and you sell an A painting and buy a B painting. That's okay. But if you ever sell out of the collection for any purpose other than more collecting, then other museum directors are forbidden by
mircea_popescu: as any purely fiat market, the art market exists strictly on the basis of such policies.
decimation: This was in the context of a conversation about art museums. apparently it is forbidden for any art museum to contemplate selling any of their art
asciilifeform: l0l re: article. also remembering 'rentalstarter' etc. for what it's worth, i live on the other end of that stick, the rental market that virtually nobody caters to
decimation: "But the one thing it seems to me that economists wake up--if you wake them up in the middle of the night and say, 'Hey, what's the most important thing?' They will say, 'Marginal cost pricing.' That the way to make a market work properly is that everything should be offered for sale at its marginal cost, which is the cost of someone using it."
menahem searching the logs
mircea_popescu: to what, the cat ?
menahem: you have the link to that ?
mircea_popescu: and gawd almighty is that barrel deep and has the cat pissed in it.
mircea_popescu: and exactly for the reason stated : if you're a slight prize, you get the best crop of tenants competing for you. if not... you're stuck rooting through the bottom of the barrel.
mircea_popescu: you WILL actually make more money letting slightly under market than in ANY other way.
mircea_popescu: dude pete_dushenski has his moments. whodda thunk he has such subtle points down pat as "the most important thing is to not overprice".
decimation: although note that usg is fine with 18 year-olds voting and dying in the military
decimation: ^ rarely do they wait until 21
mircea_popescu: usians don't even know what thery're missing, gettin gdrunk for the first time at 21 is not the same.
menahem: ahh, getting drunk the first time as a teen. good memories.
mircea_popescu: the 2nd is pretty bad throughout, sort-of a lawrence of arabia made by first time drunk teenagers
mircea_popescu: president even quips that imagine, the most important man of the 2nd richest most powerful country being reduced to this! air force one powered on chicken droppings!
mircea_popescu: the first's only vaguely notable because it depicts a marginal us (in the 70s) running everything on chicken shit
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 01:59:16; williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129621 << real men write all their documentation in welts on nubile caucasian hide.
menahem: how were the flicks ?
mircea_popescu: shit, i go watch a couple bad marty feldman movies, the log runs off
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: So the Van Cleef name in your linked article was also the same person at the CFTC meeting on Virtual currencies and with lesser connection may have been:
BingoBoingo in practice views signify as the equivalent of iso images with md5 fingerprint offered in 2004. Some asurance contents as packged, but not any guarentee
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD though is at its weirdest reading Loper-OS and it is recognized as C coders trying to make the safest Unix they can
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bob Beck the OpenBSd fundraiser. Sginify though was different person, tedu
BingoBoingo: People who have been fumbling in their own WoT simply trying to come up with a useful code signing tool. Ideal, no. Useful, maybe. MP continues his Bob Beck fatwa? Well, MP never really ends those in practice.
BingoBoingo: Well, the libsodium thing. Yes distasteful. Used though only for signing and verifying. Pretty sure we had a short convo about how similar "reop" sucked. Far from ideal, then again ideal needs new silicon.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:00:08; BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would dearly like to learn the context for this picture ^
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 01:27:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: n much left of bin Laden to put into the sea in any case.'
asciilifeform: enied for reasons of national security. Its the classic unravelling of a poorly constructed cover story it solves an immediate problem but, given the slightest inspection, there is no back-up support. There never was a plan, initially, to take the body to sea, and no burial of bin Laden at sea took place. The retired official said that if the Seals first accounts are to be believed, there wouldnt have bee
asciilifeform: 'The world knew US forces had killed bin Laden in Abbottabad. Panic city. What to do? We need a functional body because we have to be able to say we identified bin Laden via a DNA analysis. It would be navy officers who came up with the burial at sea idea. Perfect. No body. Honourable burial following sharia law. Burial is made public in great detail, but Freedom of Information documents confirming the burial are d
asciilifeform: ls claimed. At the time, the retired official said, the Seals did not think their mission would be made public by Obama within a few hours: If the president had gone ahead with the cover story, there would have been no need to have a funeral within hours of the killing. Once the cover story was blown, and the death was made public, the White House had a serious Wheres the body? problem. '
asciilifeform: 'The retired official said there had been another complication: some members of the Seal team had bragged to colleagues and others that they had torn bin Ladens body to pieces with rifle fire. The remains, including his head, which had only a few bullet holes in it, were thrown into a body bag and, during the helicopter flight back to Jalalabad, some body parts were tossed out over the Hindu Kush mountains or so the Sea
asciilifeform: does not add or subtract to the credibility of linked piece. but worth noting.
asciilifeform: decimation: the official story not only does not add up, but wtf, they killed all of the witnesses (own soldiers) in 'training accidents' aha.
BingoBoingo: None of ItBit, CoinBase, or Gerald "DeathandTaxes" will ever get licensure in all 50 US states because of Federalism yet they will all pretend to have reached it.
assbot: Seymour M. Hersh · The Killing of Osama bin Laden · LRB 21 May 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGfG0E )
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the osama death raid 'alternate history'?
pete_dushenski: okie dokie gang, off to save the world. laters !!
assbot: Alexander Ivanov (chess player) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwWJQL )
williamdunne: Sure there is plenty of stupidity that can be pointed out
asciilifeform: idk, can't say i followed chess in the past decade
pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip from Andover, Massachusetts earned the title last month and also became the youngest to ever to defeat a grandmaster, Alexander Ivanov, during the New England Open in 2014." << ok. she's good.
pete_dushenski: "Carissa Yip, 11, has become the youngest chess master in the US. " << man, those old usian men need to step it up !
decimation: then it pisses xrays everywhere
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But note the distinct discount wood offers over both brick and vinyl http://www.trulia.com/property/3201379883-1514-Broadway-Highland-IL-62249
pete_dushenski: ftr 53.5* N latitude is the same as hamburg, dublin, and manchester
cazalla: another trick the use is to import shit from china via new zealand so as to label it packaged/made in new zealand instead of made in china
asciilifeform: because they did. i saw - alive.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:29:49; trinque: I've wondered, considering it from the other end, whether the govt's trying to provoke fergusons and baltimores.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129468 << does running free bus from a public university to add meat to the 'peaceful protest' count as 'provoke' ?
pete_dushenski: decimation well, they gotta start south and work their way north, y'know ? i'm at 53* N latitude !
decimation: asciilifeform: does the 486 'headless client' run dos?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1129714 <<< a lot of the good pork/beef/lamb is exported and the supermarkets import shit from china
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 02:17:59; decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 00:09:37; mircea_popescu: but of much more direct interest, "It is hard to see why this same pattern wouldn't hold once the US places much of itself under military occupation."
asciilifeform: (i had the impression that mircea_popescu gave up with it)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's reasonable. it's also funny to note that while i live in the city proper, it's all of two square kilometers out of, what, 40 ? 80 ?
decimation: pete_dushenski: amusingly it is my understanding that the central americans have nearly completely displaced certain construction trades, to the point that it is nearly impossible for a regular white (or black) person to work on a 'framing team'
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:38:48; mod6: To begin with, I was completely unfamiliar with gentoo in any sense -- aside from once trying to set it up from the Handbook, which I found that I didn't have time to work my way through and get it set up properly. So my goal was to get familiar with Gentoo and to start to build a system that can be agreed upon that suits our needs for building bitcoind.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129391 << i am rather surprised to learn that anyone but me still gives a damn about gentoo
asciilifeform: 'city' is where they have underground trains, high-rises, things older than 50yrs
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: in my mind, the zone where 'things go horizontal' is 'not city' by definition
BingoBoingo: Wood beams has always been the north American Standard. Wood's been so easy to get.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that's hardly a common definition in north america. why ? sprawl. no geographic boundaries to contain construction from going horizontal rather than vertical.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 23:23:27; gabriel_laddel: his(their) ability, to develop the practice of medicine in accordance with reality. Being subject to the prejudice and technical limitations of the times is inescapable (the notion of "humors" may have made more sense without knowing of chemical reactions). The notes on the constitution of a patient's stool, fasting and diet are probably still valid. In the 'General Introduction' Jones notes that phi
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129376 << diet is today, as was then, the main thing one could actually control re: one's body. and the ancient observation 'you are what you eat' appears to -still- be a revolutionary concept to 'fat acceptors' et al.
decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah, in the us more expensive homes are just bigger wooden boxes, built by central americans
cazalla: people here use to pay top dollar for the land but they have this scam of building 6 shoddy buildings where one use to stand so people are paying 500k pretty much for bricks
pete_dushenski: houses, even $2 mn ones, have concrete foundation and wood beam construction in these parts.
asciilifeform: i am operating with the common definition of 'city' as this place where civilians live in high-rises
asciilifeform has not been there, cannot say
decimation: pete_dushenski & asciilifeform : what about the koch brothers building their own western town in the middle of nowhere colorado
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: for the kind of houses found in cities (that is, high-rises)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up << In my hometown Beautiful brick house on well maintained lot going for 75 kiloUSD Vinyl equivalent 100 kiloUSD higher
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform re: housing. the cheap shit houses multimillionaires in cities too, well, 'suburbs'
decimation: one advantage of australia and new zealand is that they have to grow their own fresh vegetables - so everything is 'local'
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:37:12; lobbes: I only just started reading Orlov's blog not too long ago. On alf's recommendation, I skipped to some of his earlier stuff (from roughly 2011?). I do get the feeling that he can either be 'hit or miss' at times.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:17:42; mircea_popescu: not that it's not genuine sentiment, i'm sure to some degree it is. the topless sluts were ALSO genuine sentiment, for sure just as genuine, definitely as widely held. the result ? 400 people, beat up by police, not 4mn pushed by the govt press agents.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129332 << the sluts in question were received - correctly - as agents of western rot-weapon. and treated with unusual kindness on account of being pretty gurlz
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129306 << mircea_popescu is almost certainly correct, but in usa even multimillionaires (outside of the major cities) live in houses made of precisely these materials, linearly scaled up
decimation: my impression was that the food was expensive as hell
pete_dushenski: decimation the food in london, at least on a middling budget, was lackluster. or perhaps the museums and architecture just overshadowed the cuisine.
BingoBoingo: Scotland and Occupied Ireland may have plusses over the US, but England not so.
williamdunne: Bears cave vs entrance of the cave?
gribble: Granite City, Illinois.: <http://www.granitecity.illinois.gov/>; Granite City, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_City,_Illinois>; Granite City, Illinois (IL 62060) profile: population, maps, real estate ...: <http://www.city-data.com/city/Granite-City-Illinois.html>
asciilifeform: (we know that this is not so - but from pure mathematical pedantry, must point out!)
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 22:03:27; mircea_popescu: so ascii_field from the above, am i correct in deducing that there have been at most 47728 - 31262-4584 = 11882 (out of 47728, or ~1/4) keys without any RSA subkeys in them ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1129300 << incorrect. from these figures alone, for sake of argument, it is technically possible that one key accounted for -all- of the moduli.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> london is the light of heaven compared to nyc << And the jungles of Granite City put both of those so called cities to shame
decimation: pete_dushenski: walking the streets of nyc, all I could think was: "how the hell do all these people afford to live her"
pete_dushenski: london is the light of heaven compared to nyc
williamdunne: decimation: Wasn't suggesting you were - I'm just not too bothered by the Englishness thing personally. If thats your boat the South West is probably as good as it gets
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski trinque: http://www.nostarch.com/pf3 << The Bible on turning an OpenBSD box into its most common appliance flavor
trinque: I'll just stick the thing on trinque.org and then you guys can make your own decisions re: newsworthiness
williamdunne: decimation: Kinda like it personally. Never bothered me, although I've not been there for an extended period
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo think qntra would be a suitable platform for trinque's openbsd router guide ? << Would require consulting with the other equity partners on deciding if we will do how-to's or how to do them
decimation: williamdunne < about as crazy as the scots
williamdunne: I'm not from here by birth, nor are my parents. But yeah, some nutjobs in Cornwall want to be an independent country. Ignoring the fact that they actually qualify for a european regional development fund
decimation: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/07/the-genetic-map-of-britain/ < apparently devonshire and cornish folk are genetically distinct peoples
williamdunne: decimation: Not my sorta thing personally. I'm still pissed off about the cliff collapsing and fucking up the trains for a couple of months
decimation: I would like to see the chalk cliffs one day
pete_dushenski: as for 'loads of other examples', i've only seen one.
pete_dushenski: but... not there yet.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: WHat I mean by dead tree is. People in their WoT write comprehensive books and they all check and then promote the books
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: They sign things too, but... For their own use in releases they have a GPG alternative because GPG licensing violates part of their license purity directive. Dunno how good it is , but sometime hetrogyny is insteresting.
williamdunne: Maybe I could try and one-up them and climb up into the mountains for a few years and carve a guide into a stone tablet.
decimation: if it runs dos - then kermit!
BingoBoingo: Well, not a feature of OpenBSD, but their culture
BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Any chance of a writeup on it? << A distinct feature of OpenBSD is that outside of the man pages much of the best documentation is still produced on dead trees
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature << Actually the problem is they've been supplanting inherited grammar inherited from ipfw they imitated to start with towards more of a sensible firewall language
trinque: I'll also say that pf.conf seems to suffer from the same syntax-creep SQL does, where they just add more to the grammar for every feature
mod6: Update: gathering performance metrics on v0.5.3.1-RELEASE full blockchain sync
trinque: appropriately blocked ports via pf, routing the internal network nicely
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check out the fate of jew boy. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mda39zViQZ1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg
williamdunne: I am the 1%?
mircea_popescu: in point of fact this is unchanged millenia later - very few kids end up here, a few more are in the military, and the rest on reddit.
mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty much. so... it couldn't conceivably been a bad standard for them, inasmuch as it was... the standard.
williamdunne: Pretty sure the main alternative was trading or poverty
mircea_popescu: otherwise... maybe become a client for some important patron, and done what the us sub-political class does today. in the day's huffington post and astroturfed meetings and whatnot. a very precarious existence, certainly the slavegirls had it better.
williamdunne: Yes, I'm familiar with the land-ownership. Truly brilliant option IMO. As you say, American dream.
mircea_popescu: the alternatives to this are unclear. if very clever you could have traded, but various ethic groups had a defacto monopoly on that, and a very large cultural advantage.
mircea_popescu: this allowed you to take a young woman and start a household in relative security. the exact american dream.
assbot: Fatalities in mixed martial arts contests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1bNUMkz )
williamdunne: Not particularly, I know fatality rates would be vastly different dependent on region though. Obviously being a city-guard in Rome is a pretty safe job but being the the border of the empire or in active battle/expansion seems like a good way to get killed
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Them
mircea_popescu: tattoo tales from the gender prison http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcxictoZaW1rrufxwo1_1280.jpg
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 18:19:52; jurov: neat. i am finally beating the mailman into submission, turdatron can link there
mircea_popescu: for them or for you ?
mircea_popescu: it really wasn't much higher risk than being in the army, which was you know, a good chunk of the population, especially poorer.
williamdunne: Sort of like the difference between a pet and next seasons dinner - even if both are property
williamdunne: Sorry I meant the slaves as if in thrown in the pit rather than trained like you would a prize horse
mircea_popescu: that's how that thing went, sporting promoters of the 100s went around, buying young strong slaves,
williamdunne: What about the slaves they battled? I'd be lying if I said I had much knowledge outside of primary education and 'Gladiator'
mircea_popescu: happens all the time, too
mircea_popescu: the opponent can be killed.
mircea_popescu: i guess if you force them, by allowing armor. buyt then again, gladiatorial combat didn't allow much armor.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances. << Which is why I'm thinking that 11-ish years from now on my 40th Birthday it might be realistic that I could become a ProBoxer
mircea_popescu: i don't think mma guys if given the option of gladitorial arms would actually take any.
mircea_popescu: what'd the difference be ?
williamdunne: I'm not aiming for the greatness, I just want to see two people beat the crap out of each other. Its a bloodsport really I suppose. Turnover is entertaining.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: What that lack of constraint gets you though is a rapid turnover at the top. There's so much asymmetry that no one can aspire to prolongued greatness.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i think it's just the way it's being promoted. boxing harks to a different time, with different people. mma is more tuned for the contemporary kid. different life balances.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something. << This is a serious problem with MMA. It seems a majority of the competitors are just downright friendly outside the ring.
ben_vulpes: i regard the whole project as touching both terminals at the same time and avoid doing so at all costs
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i guess. don't you think it kinda detracts from the whole thing ? like, "here, monkeys, a silver coin. FIGHT!"
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the skyhook guys actually operate out of a warehouse across town from me
BingoBoingo: <williamdunne> Not going to lie, I do enjoy watching MMA << I prefer watching boxing for the constraints ove the combatants.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nasdaq thing is just, they want to use a centralize custom scamcoin to somehow track pre-ipo trades. not really clear what this actually is, tbh, and i somehow doubt it's more than the intersection between inept bitcoin piarism and vague plans for vapornothing.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes i think 'skyhook' is the cheapest, then lamassu, then the dirty, dirty robocoin.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu does money count? Pretty sure there is a bonus for winning
mircea_popescu: williamdunne hey, i enjoy watching some dude beat the crap / get beaten the crap out of as much as the next guy, but it helps a lot if i know them/there's a substantial quarrel/something.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: THe first undercard fight was great. Second was set up.
pete_dushenski: i'd rather watch some younger, sportier boxers. for as much as i care to watch boxing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno dood. by this reasoning you could put the chinese state budget on "making obama get nobel prize"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Both were nearly 40, either would have been outclassed by the featherweights on the undercard.
pete_dushenski: srsly. they're both so old already.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi. << My point is you could put most of USia's urban welfare expenditure on making potential Black Panther not starve.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm hoping for a rematch before they turn 50. Manny's got the aggression and Mayweather's age showed more.
mircea_popescu: this is the point where i admit this had been all wild speculation and i have nfi.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> the size of that cohesive group is merely a function of the resources wasted on it. << But consider what USG spends on keeping NBP alive to only have Maybe 200 new Black Panthers vs. what Femen spends on Maybe 200 topless agitators.
mircea_popescu: maybe that's the husBand
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Manny, the dude who fought money on May 2nd
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> speaking of which, was there a paqi-mayw bitbet ? don't recall seeing one, which is too bad as i would've loved to have taken some change off of "the people's fighter" << I though about funding one. Ended up doing a smaller bet on PacMan.
BingoBoingo: Ah. I was going more for the actual size of the cohesive group rather than its influence sphere.
mircea_popescu: what are you more likely to run into, a girl that doesnt want to fuck because of what she's heard the catholic church say, or a girl that wants to go topless because of what she's heard of femen ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << it's a mixed bag, really. the "new black panther" party was a good chunk of the success of the obama campaign. their disinterest was a big chunk of the ridoinculous fizzle of ows. << NBP is truly a tiny thing like FEMEN
trinque: the american "powerful" must lack imagination
pete_dushenski: "the barbarians are coming!"
mircea_popescu: pretty sure there was
pete_dushenski: trinque since they're selling fear, sure. why not.
trinque: wouldn't they love having some kind of ISIS lite domestically
pete_dushenski: ya, there's no wheelchairs in wwe wrestling, just barbed wire, cages, lead pipes.