ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132085 << the machine for transferring things from one key to another is called... blockchain
ascii_field: but no one is to be -identified- for purposes of trust by his claimed name, rather than key
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132033 << the cultural shift is not optional - 'do business with keys.'
ascii_field: and yes, the only way to solve the expire-for-new-sigs problem is, likely, to require blockchain turd emission for every single sig, for such a key
ascii_field: something like deedbot for key expirations (and the presently nonexistent but direly necessary expire-for-new-signatures-only) is inevitable
davout: hmm, if it doesn't update keys you can start with a non expiring one and add the expiration date after opening your acct
jurov: i had one time exemption, had to change the key to non-expiring
davout: mpex either speaks GPG or it doesn't
davout: you can always extend the expiration date of a key
davout: jurov: what would be the point?
jurov: kakobrekla: but that's good idea for our keyserver. sign ping every month, otherwise keyserver publishes the key as dead
davout: well, i guess you're fuxxored unless there was a sensible plan in place
jurov: how does "initial contract" resolve the problem of transfer without previous owner retaining the key?
davout: also if the transfer procedure is specified in the initial contract that shouldn't be a problem
kakobrekla: jurov there have been such cases.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132055 <<< neither can reputation, so maybe it's actually a feature
mod6: <+jurov> can't we just use namecoin? << yeah, I thought maybe this was addressed in the logs before...
jurov: to be sure everyone has the latest deeds
mod6: <+jurov> but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name? << then there would be a deed detailing the transfer of the name to a new key fingerprint?
jurov: so if, say i start doing coinbr support over gossipd, and i transfer it, have to ask everyone to update their /etc/hosts?
davout: jurov: the naming in gossipd is supposed to be local
jurov: names have too long history of being bought, sold, stolen or counterfeited to neglect them such
ben_vulpes: "namshub" et al have no import, are just mnemonic devices for remembering the keyids
ben_vulpes: this assumes the name has any import.
jurov: but gpg pubkeys are not practical for replacing DNS. what if you want to tranfer the name?
jurov: i hope gossipd spec has a part concerning this. otherwise it will be inevitably bolted on in some ugly haphazard fashion
jurov: but there will certainly be some stupid naming system over it.
jurov: you know anyone who really does not use the stupid naming system?
assbot: US Companies Are Throwing a Fit Because They're Losing Control Over the Internet | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1cAqClu )
jurov: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/us-companies-are-throwing-a-fit-because-theyre-losing-control-over-the-internet lulzmine
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 05:53:05; punkman: "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6 and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131450 but the boobs must be right in the middle!
mircea_popescu: a mixture of glee and excitement at the outlandishness of it.
mircea_popescu: honestly i watch the news from anglosphere today like i watched the news from biafra twenty years ago, as a child.
mircea_popescu: Bahar Mustafa, the welfare and diversity officer at Goldsmiths Students' Union, told students that the union meeting was only open to "BME Women" - females of black and ethnic minorities."
cazalla: so AFP got back to me.. those pics i shared earlier are legit (yet the newsarticle shows an mp5 lol) and AFP tells me that they never sent the guns despite press release saying they did a controlled delivery and guns were seized
mircea_popescu: i can't be arsed. they're too poor and too retarded.
copypaste: They have some crazy currency controls
copypaste: I saw your article about McDonalds printing money there, very funny. I'm partial to Colombia as far as Latin American countries go personally though.
mircea_popescu: o copypaste can i also has argentina! seeing how i live there atm.
punkman: "The linux futex_wait call has been broken for about a year (in upstream since 3.14, around Jan 2014), and has just recently been fixed (in upstream 3.18, around October 2014). More importantly this breakage seems to have been back ported into major distros (e.g. into RHEL 6.6 and its cousins, released in October 2014), and the fix for it has only recently been back ported (e.g. RHEL 6.6.z and cousins have the fix)."
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/216NK1W << check out the story of bots. so assbot checks the link. bitly bot checks it too two seconds later. google ? twenty seconds later.
asciilifeform: eh but how deadly are they at 120.
trinque: he wrote the http thinger, all that
trinque: it's a site that scrapes 4chan for webms and archives them
trinque: nah the whole site's C
decimation: scraper is much easier than writing the server stack. as yarvin put it "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory. The men who man these castles are men indeed, quick in emacs and hairy of neck."
copypaste: The tit one is good. I bet you get some clients from 8chan.
mircea_popescu: how bad do they suck btw ? graphically i mean
copypaste: Very few ads get threads made about them.
decimation: yeah, good point, would have to re-create the whole stack of shit
mircea_popescu: i doubt there's actually that much of an edge to be had, unless one goes all the way to mold it into nginx
decimation: ^ one wonders why nobody bothered to write something like this in pure c, given the performance demands
mircea_popescu: which is probably the cutting-edgest application php ever knew.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a lightweight structure, specific cli style commands and a requirement to start threads by embedding a picture. they're purely cosmetic, it's just a sort of forum ubuntu, if you take vbulletin to be windows.
asciilifeform: or do they all descend from same proggy ?
copypaste: There's a lot if you go back in my commit history, heh...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what are the defining characteristics of this type ?
copypaste: I wrote the catalog ( https://8ch.net/b/catalog.html ), a lot of the javascript (desktop notifications etc), all the board creaetion feaetures, etc
mircea_popescu: a, you did a bunch of work there ?
copypaste: Indeed mircea_popescu. I hacked the codebase considerably
decimation: some young officers - tought from entry that lying is very bad - find the real working of usg to be shocking
decimation: mircea_popescu: in this particular case, the guy claims that usg levies so many 'requirements' on its employees that no human could possibly fulfill them
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a specific character, in their imagination, quite akin to the nazi Jud Süß
mircea_popescu: is neckbeard anything other than libertard for "bad" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo any idea what the fedora thing is ?
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/04/leonard_wong_on.html < "This study found that many Army officers, after repeated exposure to the overwhelming demands and the associated need to put their honor on the line to verify compliance, have become ethically numb."
mircea_popescu: copypaste people think everyone's me. at some point they thought i was a chick.
mircea_popescu: just saying, puffs ofsmoke. they move deterministically, and you know they're there, but WHAT are they ?
mircea_popescu: this part of the tradecraft is all puffs of smoke alf. exactly the opposite of engineering
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 03:33:20; mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1131778 << if we're going in the direction of 'cuckold miners,' i'm not sure why anyone imagines any of it is attributable with any certainty in any direction whatsoever
mircea_popescu: oh the collagen thing ?
copypaste: osteogenesis imperfecta is the medical name
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 2 for mircea_popescu with note: Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads
copypaste: !rate mircea_popescu 2 Graced 8chan with the presence of his ads
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin is a jewish conspiracy so these guys are shills, probably working for JIDF."
mircea_popescu: and i intend to keep the mix more or less varied so.
copypaste: They don't allow HTTP content on HTTPS pages anymore.
mircea_popescu: copypaste i wonder what the mixed content thing is
menahem: though I must admit, I did the same thing once.
menahem: "Into the adblock filter it goes." lol, these people blocking some of the most valuable info they could possibly get. as MP calls it - missed opportunity.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: you should probably put target="_blank" on the ad <a> tag so it poens in a new tab
cazalla: decimation, sorta what i was thinking in regards to double spending.. why would they need to do it when they can just pay you and steal it back
decimation: usg's style is to seize someone's bitcoin and put it in their vault
cazalla: guy didn't get sacked either
cazalla: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/secret-money-abc-virtual-currency-racket-probe-20110623-1ggp6.html there we go.. so technically australia gov first and bestest miner
cazalla: i vaguely recollect someone was using the machines at the ABC (gov owned tv channel) to mine bitcoin back around 2011
menahem: decimation i was told that canadian gov employees were mining bitcoin. however, when i asked about pools and block rewards, they had no idea what I was talking about. so... it definitely seems highly unlikely.
decimation: it does seem likely that someone in the world has an interest in cuckolding infrastructure
mircea_popescu: but they're barely a player.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:20:29; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu will probably suggest that cn, ru, etc. will follow suit with -their- tv boxes
mircea_popescu: who totday remembers them all even.
mircea_popescu: how is a derpy usg with delusions of separation and self importance different or better from the numerous groups of derpy miners with similar delusions that came and went over the years ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:19:52; danielpbarron: i don't have a problem with USG getting 1/3 of all the bitcoin; the can only spend it once
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131078 << more generally, as long as they pay to play like everyone else, they should be able to play just like everyone else. why not.
decimation: no, but it is not likely that wot structure would be uniform either
mircea_popescu: as many times discussed, it's not about the points.
decimation: authentication is tricky business
mircea_popescu: heh. everyone : try the location thing again nao ?
copypaste: then pipe that to bash
mod6: this is bizzare. i can only get the ssh keys to work /after/ I set a password on the user acount on the instnace (in /etc/shadow). if the user doesn't have a password set, just asks for a pw when connecting. (gentoo uclibc hardened) am i missing something obvious?
decimation: one thing that occured to me about the 'wot concept' is that one benefits by having your wot intersect your 'enemies' wot
menahem: i don't know whats up - but links to selections aren't working for me. they were at first, but not anymore.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not entirely sure the meta-universe is open to you at all. there isn't any space for you to "Act upon" in this enlightened, gender savvy, "i am an actor in a movie and i read the script" sense.
trinque: it's strange and a bit exciting to think that a single human can do something which then becomes almost *environmental* to the others
decimation: my cable modem 'received an update' as soon as I plugged it into the cable network. even though I owned the modem, I had absolutely no say or ability to stop the install
trinque: sounded a bit like "after all, we're the Romans"
trinque: it was that there's nothing to act upon within "bitcoin is bitcoin"
trinque: sort of like "will steam engines be used" -> "yes, after all, they exist"
mircea_popescu: mike wakes up, checks stats, is all o.O gets excited, comes here, says so before reading the log, then we link him to this k ?
trinque: the idea that human action inside a monetary system will reflect the incentives/disincentives of that
mircea_popescu: displays exactly the feynman property of "nature".
mircea_popescu: "you can't halfass bitcoin" is the thing. which property is why i was musing that it's more like a force of nature than anything else.
mircea_popescu: trinque essentially, an application of "bitcoin is bitcoin" is what sunk gavin. they still mostly can't believe it happened, but it did. it will again. in practice, you either implement a broken, pared down version of bitcoin, in which case bitcoin defeats you, or else you implement a correct version, in which case... you've implemented bitcoin.
copypaste: I have to force rebuild the boards we agreed to
copypaste: I stuck it on all the boards. 8chan uses a style of rebuilding where a new post rebuilds a thread on a board
mircea_popescu is curious what the load looks like
copypaste: I didn't notice the different URL, sorry ;)
copypaste: Oh yeah. Please use the b64 version like before
mircea_popescu: sure. but won't it bitch cause the img is http ?
mircea_popescu: i think that argument holds water, to a large degree. recall the "bitcoin pervers the nsa" discussion with alf maybe a year ago ?
trinque: my response might be "well, why fucking bother with a WoT" for example
trinque: mircea_popescu: what's your read of the exchange between pete and myself; I was hearing circular logic (no offense to pete)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1131065 <<< lmao. why not just call on the heavenly angelic infantry at this point ?
mircea_popescu: the women ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The spiders?
asciilifeform: cazalla: the 2nd is of an обрез
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you gotta appreciate, the usg is not the only one mining, nor has it been. at this point, the deployment you contemplate might allow it to catch up, but won't do much more than that.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: One's clealy a lever action, the other one appears to be a Ruger 10/22 (judging off of the magazing they laid on the OTHER SIDE of the levergun)
mircea_popescu: as long as it punctures the pki bs i'm happy.
copypaste: Which is the new vogue of adblocking software. It blocks crcossorigin requests.
copypaste: This has the added benefit of bypassing uBlock.
copypaste: And also send you the real user's IP so you get stats.
mircea_popescu: of course you'd have to validate the shit out of it.
mircea_popescu: well alternatively you could just import the php from my server into your page
cazalla: apparently these are the guns seized by aussie LEA, nfi if for real http://i.imgur.com/tQJkNNM.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mKI3cI3.jpg
mircea_popescu: of course they have. usg wants pki everywhere.
mircea_popescu: can you give me a ftp user in a subdir on your server and run it from there ?
mircea_popescu: well what the shit.
mircea_popescu: yeah but then how do i add/remove banners.
copypaste: It won't work with the iframe method. I would need the source code of that file and run it on 8chan's server
mircea_popescu: lemme have it changed, a second, then you see.
mircea_popescu: then no link
mircea_popescu: listen, what if i push the image out as base64 ?
mircea_popescu: you rewrite them ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 20mn users x 20 watts = doubling the current hash power. /me is unimpressed.
asciilifeform: and they use it.
mircea_popescu: you get it with the internet and nobody uses it
asciilifeform: it is what folks pay for when they subscribe to 'cable tv'
asciilifeform: ^ i think jurov was speaking of 'tv-style' interface where schmuck is not aware that he is using the net, doesn't sit around hunting for warez, etc. but just sits with ir remote & drools
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130961 << i have internet here, no magic box. had it in romania too, they offered me the magic box. i didn't want it , the woman was in shock
asciilifeform: i'm still curious, who is going to outcompete a hypothetical usg telecom monopoly inserting miners into cable boxes etc. and on what parameter ? cost of energy ? nope - schmucks pay. cost of manufacture? again, schmucks pay, indirectly. which is it ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:55:40; pete_dushenski: by the time they roll these out and get them into any appreciable number of homes, it'll look like trying to fight the nazis by arming every american with slingshots
asciilifeform: but merely the minimal iron necessary to getwork() from usg and return results in a form that is unusable to mitmers
asciilifeform: by 'hanging off one node', meant that the device issued to schmucks will not include a node
mircea_popescu: im sure nukes will help them keep it up.
mircea_popescu: will be fun to ddos then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down; that's not my department, said werhner von braun...'
asciilifeform: takes up all of 1% of the gates
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is also a counter, yes
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah they don't trigger it
asciilifeform: they only appear complicated because 1) folks slept through school 2) lack of popular access to chip fab tech translates to lack of interest in even the most elementary aspects of engineering
asciilifeform: for the benefit of log readers, i will point out again, that a sha256 hashing circuit is dwarfed, complexity-wise, by all but the simplest 'homework' cpu, gpu, whatever other ic product
mircea_popescu awaits the 500 verilog lines gpu and the 2200 lines cpu to be released by intel soon=ish, totally busting the market.
asciilifeform: most of them, i will point out, long before i did
asciilifeform: many other folks did this
asciilifeform: it isn't the most optimal in the world (far from it) and a 'serious', 'grown man's' miner oughta be designed at discrete logic level
mircea_popescu: it seems like your browser supplies it somehow ? the source has no class spec.
williamdunne: Yeah, thats the one I'm getting
mircea_popescu: yes, they'll have this in five years. the effort required to do it in a year ? you'd hear.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you understand the qty of engineering involved.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite possibly they read the 2013 #b-a thread and took the advice of baking a hashing engine into an existing system-on-chip design
mircea_popescu: there's oregon, arizona new mexico, some secret and some offshoire locations
asciilifeform wasn't there, doesn't know at which in particular
asciilifeform: at one of their fabs
mircea_popescu: maybe they're doing it in supersecret, but so far, on the balance of intelligence, it's just gift of gab.
asciilifeform: how this act is financed is a secondary consideration. for all i know, they are whoring out their daughters to pay for it
asciilifeform: is it entirely inconceivable that they are in fact churning out miners ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:45:12; asciilifeform: 'By the time its chips were to be embedded into Internet of Things (IoT) devices, 21 projected its cost to produce 1 BTC could be as low as $7.45.' << somebody does not grasp difficulty factor ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130904 << dude. it's the pump phase of a pump and dump scam. what do you expect ? there is no connection between the depicted elements under the surface.
asciilifeform: the talmudists had it right, in their picture of wisdom being at peak (in their cosmography, in the era of moses) and fading away monotonically since
asciilifeform: what can i say, these folks have more distance between selves and the cultured times.
mircea_popescu: just as many poltrons then, but really, a lot more style.
mircea_popescu: you know, these schmucks have nothing of the quality of schmuckdom in the soviet times.
asciilifeform: to be fair, the item under review was a prng turd written for turdroid etc.
mircea_popescu: "Be wary of one-time pads and other crypto unicorns" vbwghahgahaha
mircea_popescu: there's something about old men.
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 21:32:00; asciilifeform: this fella used to be the 'genuine article'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-05-2015#1130886 << so did zimmerman. and plenty of others.
cazalla: nothing forgiving about 1 out of 5 girls wearing jeans at the beach
mircea_popescu: and consequently the brand name was covagin
mircea_popescu: random lulz : in the 70s, romania was doing a very argnetine-like autarky thing. making local whisky, local everything. including local gin, which was made at covasna,
mircea_popescu: the human body has some permissible cuts, and the calves aren't it. if you don't cut the neck, the next is the torso, between lower rib and belly button, and if you don't cut that you don't cut anything.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you know you gotta let people publish their own pics.
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: In some places delivery services are still the most cost effective way of transporting web data
BingoBoingo: Nah, station wagons has always been the premier unit of data transfer and what is money, but data on who doesn't suck
mxtm: i want to use them
mxtm: i have all of these priority mail boxes and free tape now
trinque: or a box of cash within which there are several boxes of cash
mxtm: cash in mail is also a good option especially for "off the books" type stuff
mxtm: seraminta: well then ofc you can just do cash in person w/ danielpbarron here
trinque: and read the logs.
trinque: from there click links, or ask questions here
assbot: A complete theory of economics on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2uJrF )
trinque: seraminta: read this -> http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima add more etc, but doesn't need to bother you.
seraminta: oh u trade for them
williamdunne: seraminta: How do you earn dollars? Would you like us to specify every position available on the McDonalds' team?
seraminta: what the hell dan?
mxtm: i'm more of the trader type
trinque: seraminta: what interests you in them?
seraminta: what do u do for them?
trinque: as are the various associated blogs
trinque: seraminta: before trying to acquire bitcoins you will want to educate yourself on both them and the technical considerations around keeping them
mircea_popescu: http://www.myhealthstoreonline.org/images/ProExtender/ProExtender-exercise.jpg << the 20Mb power changer.
seraminta: these links make no sense to me