mircea_popescu: alrighty then
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunlike shit urls anymoar than anyone else, it's down there on conveyor , somewhere below the various roaring fires
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 23:32 BingoBoingo: mod6: Please on your blog go into the settings and change the number urls to human readable urls before it is too late and you are stuck in the trap asciilifeform is
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894872 << he's not trapped, he could change them today to no ill effect. he just opts to be irrationally weird about it.
hanbot: diana_coman fwiw i ran into a few broken internal links on ossasepia today on account of their still pointing to dianacoman.com, see http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/08/eucrypt-compilation-sheet/ fo' instance.
lobbes: btw, I managed to finally get a handrolled heathen gentoo installed the other day (my first one ever). Still wrestling with getting networking functional, but once I do I'ma get vtools set up, and then give the cuntoo bootstrap.sh another spin
lobbes: And the utility of reporting applies to oneself too; even though my flailings in http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/01/initial-cuntoo-testing/ may not be of use to anyone else, -I- now have a ready history of wtf I was thinking/doing years down the line, from which to diff
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 21:14 BingoBoingo: For my own selfish reasons I want to see what you hit your head on, because there is a very real chance when I go to try things I will also hit my head on the same rocks
BingoBoingo: mod6: From the admin-thingy
mod6: BingoBoingo: what is meant by 'human readable'? I can mouse over them and they seem to be correct.
mod6: trinque: thank you for your comment; will respond when I can gather up some more info.
trinque: iirc the old ones all work if you change it
BingoBoingo: Your blog is young, if you wait the pain only grows
BingoBoingo: mod6: Please on your blog go into the settings and change the number urls to human readable urls before it is too late and you are stuck in the trap asciilifeform is
mod6: oh hey, i guess i was added to the roll.
BingoBoingo: Reluctant to take them out of WoT as well
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo defo you don't want to chunk up the dc payments
BingoBoingo: On the other hand there is also the case where, when the datacenter is ready to be paid again, a flurry of undersized payments is likely to lead them to WTF. Further the local liquidity hits a bigger buy/sell spread with the volume the datacenter's monthly requirements demand (And then there are the consequences if third party fails to pay the datacenter to spec).
BingoBoingo: jurov: My disinclination to committing to splitting chunks and putting them all up for auction here comes from those times the local liquidity is more generous than the grizzled veterans bidding here. For the two reasons of prudence with Pizarro's capital and the cause of continuing to spread Bitcoin's corruption... the local market can't be ignored.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, entirely nothing is lost making them smaller for as long as it improves participation
mircea_popescu: a $100 bill on which 3 people bid is likely to sell closer to true value than a 2000 chunk on which there's 1 bid.
mircea_popescu: the thing with price signals is that they get more precise the more bidders, not necessarily the larger chunk.
jurov: If it's worth the clutter.
jurov: BingoBoingo: I'm more likely to bid on smaller amounts, 500 wff is fine. Maybe you can split the sum into several auctions.
BingoBoingo: That's healthy and consistent with your necessary turning of the screws since the 2017 power cycling incident to accelerate the purging of hallucinated optionality.
mircea_popescu: i personally am not generally bidding because broadly i want this thing to develop its own network and narrowly it's just twenty times the cost in overhead for whatever benefit it might produce, sorta like carrying strawberries by the boat one by one.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, if there is something I can do whether that is standardizing the length of auction, day of the month it starts, duration, etc feedback is welcome.
mircea_popescu: risky enough. dood who failed to bid when he was supposed to is much less likely to go "oh, this high invoice is what i deserve for my failure" and rather "o no, bill too high, won't pay [nevermind that i made it too high by being deliberately stupid, that shouldn't count, nobody should ever have to do anything]"
BingoBoingo: One temper on zero start auctions would be that the auction result determines the price basis for invoicing. Insane auction result leads to insane invoice.
BingoBoingo: Right, especially as after dropping the implied rate for take 2 and keeping that rate through takes 3 and 4 the spread between a low price not getting bids and what local liquidity is offering have grown.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, you might do the 0-start auction and force people to either bid or lose out. tho that risky, "market can remain insane for much longer than you can remain solvent":
BingoBoingo: This update raises a serious issue in the lack of success I have had setting a price point at auction this month http://pizarroisp.net/2019/02/10/pizarro-isp-update-february-10th-2019/#selection-31.0-49.104
mircea_popescu: other than that, from what i've seen i believe he's probably right, lilo setup possibly fucked your grub at some juncture. it'd be great to extract the juncture if at all possible.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-14 03:53 mircea_popescu: in other arcana : i have here a copy of trb that has died a mysterious death on dec 31st. the process itself hasn't returned, ps aux lists it as expected, however the last time it touched any files was two weeks ago, nor does a call to getinfo ever return.
mircea_popescu: so either write the blog article or don't ; but in any case be like "yo trinque, the problem's X, reproducible through Y, approach a dun work because q happens, approach b dun work because w happens, wut do ?"
mircea_popescu: hence the encouragement to go write a blog article about it -- the idea is that "well, maybe he's not so good at being succint, but if he's stuck telling the whole story then organisation will necessarily emerge for him from it".
mircea_popescu: but if these aren't structured in the manner where they're useful... unsurprisingly enough, they can't be used.
mircea_popescu: mod6 no man, the difference ain't that one's topic is ada and the other's topic is cuntoo. the difference is that she said "here's the top level problem, here's the list of possible solutions, here's the failure mode of each, let me know if either the list's missing an item or wtf." ; you said "here's an error message pasted and i've been having problems".
mod6: Guys, I'm gonna work on this blog post, then unbury myself from the latest 5" of snow that just landed on me. Let's take this all back up when this is done.
trinque: if I hated you, I'd let you proceed and negrate you in a few months. I personally tire of $howOneAppears being the aim, instead of the side-effect of *doing things*
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:14 mod6: So during this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get to work. Upon initial suspicion that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on that also. Same error. So I at least removed the variable of "disk is bad".
trinque: you're evaluating things towards the purpose of avoiding negative reflection upon you, rather than from the cause of your circumstances. thus when I ask you what was on your workbench when http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894746 happened, you either don't know or shy away from saying.
BingoBoingo: I suggest lifting head, making some hot chocolate, taking a walk to dump some adrenaline off and get a bit of calm, then returning.
BingoBoingo: I'm seeing less punches and more error reports being presented in response to the way you are composing your own error reports. It's an error cascade.
mod6: I mean "lately" as in, the last year or so... which is fine. I should have just started blogging immediately instead of trying to resolve my issues for 10 days.
BingoBoingo: For my own selfish reasons I want to see what you hit your head on, because there is a very real chance when I go to try things I will also hit my head on the same rocks
mod6: I tend, lately to stay away from asking trinque questions, as I seem to get punched in the face as opposed to helpful responses.
BingoBoingo: mod6: The closest computers have come to the promised "intelligence amplified" I have ever seen is when detailed error reports in this channel and less frequently #pizarro and #asciilifeform yield detailed feedback.
mod6: Also, I'm remembering now, trinque, that I did ask alf about my inital hang that I had in #piz. He suggested that I had a kernel problem, but I never did really ask about it otherwise. I just tried to solve my own problem.
trinque invites a terse machine-gunning to the face of mod6's notes
mod6: Well, it seemed to me there was a pretty lengthy conversation about Ada threading issues over the last two days, I didn't want to make my problems (with a possible questionable box) the center of attention for everyone.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:00 mod6: Well, during the information gathering of my blog post, I went to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different than the normal gr
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:02 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say that I failed to find a way to terminate the program if/when one of the tasks is just looping infinitely ; I tried: abort of the looping task -> nothing,because task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from the main program -> still stuck because apparently it takes it to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent tasks stopped too!"; raising an uncaught except
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894772 << it's not terse, mod6. compare and contrast http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894635 with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894738 ; does it strike you where these are different ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Right. This shit has to get cleaned, and turned into an actual library collection rather than CMU subsidizing Google.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 09:02 mircea_popescu: and in other "internet is for lulz", http://www.gutenberg.org/files/43617/43617-h/43617-h.htm was downloaded... 77 times.
mircea_popescu: e produce $2 million dollars per hour" ; apparently nobody fucking there bothered to EVER confront http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656097 or http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-15#1684170 etcetera.
mircea_popescu: this without even going into ridiculous nonsense a la "We produce about two million dollars for each hour we work. The time it takes us, a rather conservative estimate, is fifty hours to get any etext selected, entered, proofread, edited, copyright searched and analyzed, the copyright letters written, etc. This projected audience is one hundred million readers. If our value per text is nominally estimated at one dollar then w
BingoBoingo: mod6: Start bringing out the error reports earlier. It's one very good use of a blog, you compile detailed output of the problem condition and then drop the link here.
mircea_popescu: it very well fucking is not. it's not even remotely as important. having usg.cmu or usg.anything-else spew on actual literature is nothing short of vandalism. i don't want their grafitti, and i don't care why they think they're owed it.
mircea_popescu: and in any case uncountenable view whereby the fucktarded usgistan is at least more important than fucking shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and it is VERY HARMFUL fucking junk. having "All donations should be made to "Project Gutenberg/CMU": and are tax deductible to the extent allowable by law. (CMU = Carnegie- Mellon University)." or "Copyright laws are changing all over the world, be sure to check the copyright laws for your country before posting these files!!" in the lede of "The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare" promotes a most harmful
mod6: Because after all the gentoo problems I had back in '15, I wanted to be sure that I had exausted all the things before bringing this forward.
trinque: why did 10 days elapse without a clue entering the forum? this is the "lets do business in #pizarro" thing again
mircea_popescu: diana_coman the one question lingering here is : as ada actually elaborates an init and an exit, as it must, since it does in fact compile, whether there's a way to use these correctly in lieu of "call C-mommy to change diapers".
trinque: I give even odds the lilo step of the script trashed your grub. one would love to know why.
trinque: I'm certain the cuntoo script is *not done* which is why I'm having folks test it, but I want more out of these tests than "ow, it wasn't a debian installer"
mod6: I've conducted quite a bit of work over these last 10 days, and I know mod6 seems like a "n00b" and "doesn't know what he's doing", but I have managed to install gentoo quite a few times since '15. But yeah, always learning.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform fwiw my initial http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 was informed by the docs; because yes, docs say a lot of "stops"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 20:26 mod6: yup, ok that seemed to do the trick. no idea how mbr or bootloader would have been corrupted.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894753 << i thought mbrs went out with the dos. still a thing ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was my motivation for the question. How much junk can be cut in the collection management process on the way to having a library
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 18:41 spyked: BingoBoingo, that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file types and their sizes, then will add them to the post.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894713 << i specifically don't even WANT the "rich media" / dvds / epubs / pdfs / whatever bullshit. i don't even want their pagelong blathers about how all-important inca is or whatever shit.
shinohai: Will the "it ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother" be a feature in next version of bootstrapper?
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 18:44 asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894714 << it's not like there was any prior expectation for the malfunction on any basis whatever. yes, as far as i also knew, shit was supposed to work, from what i know of what they've said you'd expect it worked etc etc.
trinque: "doesn't know where the kernel lives" or "kernel starts logging things and hangs when trying to mount root" or "it ties my dick in a knot and slaps my mother"
trinque: lilo does what when they attempt to boot?
trinque: like, "neither boot". why doesn't that come with some context?
trinque: mod6: you really need to push through this "I have 3 broken things and no idea why, time to junk the box" impulse.
diana_coman: basically the "hard stop" means *at most* that "next statements won't run" but not at all that "thread will stop"
mod6: yup, ok that seemed to do the trick. no idea how mbr or bootloader would have been corrupted.
BingoBoingo: I suspect there's space for error in the process of setting up and keeping up the filesystems that will persist without regard for how many boxes get junked along the way
BingoBoingo: But, you can read the disks with a liveCD running
mod6: But that's what I've got now. 2 250Gb SSDs with Cuntoo on them, neither boot, and now a 500Gb Gentoo disk that has worked perfectly up until just this very moment, which also doesn't boot.
mod6: So during this adventure, I initially bought a WD 250Gb SATA SSD, upon which I installed cuntoo. Which I never did get to work. Upon initial suspicion that disk might be bad, I bought another 250Gb WD SSD and installed cuntoo on that also. Same error. So I at least removed the variable of "disk is bad".
BingoBoingo: Don't waste your time with something requiring an involved install, something that takes a couple clicks an tosses up a heathen linux on a junkpile disk should be fine.
BingoBoingo: If you've got an extra or leftover SATA disk lying around, see if you can throw an OS on it and boot the OS using the machine in question.
mod6: Anyway, I'll dig up the artifacts off the gentoo disk with the Live CD and still make a post. But regardless, I think I'm gonna have to buy a new machine to mess with this any further.
mod6: What a nightmare. This box has been rock-solid for nearly a year, but now I suspect that perhaps this is a hardware problem with the MB or something? Perhaps the 78 power-cycles and SATA disk swapping that I did over the last 10 days totally hosed the machine itself.
mod6: Well, during the information gathering of my blog post, I went to boot back into my never-has-failed me Gentoo installation on my 500Gb SSD. And now I'm getting: "Welcome to GRUB! \n error no such device: e45d853f-... \n error: unknown filesystem \n Entering rescue mode... \n grub rescue>" which doesn't let me boot by selecting: linux (hd0,1)/<kernel_name> root=(hd0,3) \n boot different than the normal gr
asciilifeform: meanwhile ave1 didja ever genesis the gnat ? currently i haven't what to patch on.
diana_coman: bbl, will post the thing
diana_coman: it reported dutifully that thread got sig_abrt but then it was still there and ...nothing
diana_coman: and it shows those tasks still there; ALSO: from within Ada, you can tell: if your code does abort Task_X and then check Task_X'Terminated , it'll still be false (idem 'Callable still true)
asciilifeform: in re 'had to import exit()', i found that this is troo for ~100% of os i/o, not only e.g. udp but character i/o, etc. i dunlike the standard i/o glue thing came with at all.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you post plox the whole test jig, i'd like to reproduce the effect and see wtf , in gdb ( prolly won't get to it until nightfall tho )
diana_coman: i.e. it "works" in the sense that it politely waits until that wedge task is kind enough to please come out of the loop so you can abort
diana_coman: model of wedged task was infinite loop, yes; and exit(0) was the only thing that did kill it but as you can see, that is C; imported in Ada, sure, but...C
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al : other observation : based on my reading of https://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/12rm/html/RM-9-8.html , 'abort' oughta work as a hard kill unless you specifically put a deliberate 'do this before death' in the task. but does gnat actually obey the standard here, i currently do not know
spyked: BingoBoingo, that's a very good q. I'ma make some quick stats with file types and their sizes, then will add them to the post.
asciilifeform: -- at least iirc, can't seem to dig up the pertinent chapter & verse just nao
asciilifeform: diana_coman: incidentally, per the std doc, raise PROGRAM_ERROR with "eggog!"; also oughta drop the whole process dead.
BingoBoingo: ^ Not news in the sense they just started, news in the sense "Here's a rich oil field of stupid the dole's funded" or market for how the ghost of Rhodesian unfairness is eating that US colony north of France
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/british-broadcasting-corporation-now-publishing-articles-in-language-they-describe-only-as-pidgin/ << Qntra -- British Broadcasting Corporation Now Publishing Articles In Language They Describe Only As "Pidgin"
BingoBoingo: spyked: I'm curious what happens to the size of the archive if you split out the DVD's, mp3's and pdfs.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it is exactly == to GNAT.OS_Lib.OS_Exit(0) , yes, btw; i did the 'import' for the same reason as for the character i/o, i.e. to lose the dependency on the standard lib
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/083-gutenberg-rsync.html << The Tar Pit -- Rsync'ing Project Gutenberg, a report
diana_coman: the issue at hand being that ADA doesn't kill ; and to add to this, note that in this case (i.e. some wedged task) it won't actually *finish* even when its checks fail; so that promise that "program will stop running if erroneous state" is at best mis-stated: no, it won't always stop, it might..wait to stop
asciilifeform: i dun know of a workaround for this, either, other than to finally fucking bury unix.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:22 asciilifeform: incidentally, before $thread is forgotten, oughta add that unix's model of process-killin' is a convincing illusion, but not the Real Thing, given e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-31#1838388
asciilifeform: nuffin keeps you from calling exit(-1) and nuking whole process + all children. i have nfi where is the puzzler here.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 17:06 mircea_popescu: so then i'm guessing if indeed this problem is encountered thing should just die altogether.
asciilifeform: re the threads tho, i thought q was settled in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893774 item.
asciilifeform: i dun think it even makes sense to think of the problem in terms of 'write a new ada' tho. the way i see ada, is as a junkyard wars workaround against the retardation of pc arch, where pointerolade, overflowable arrays, etc. if you had a sane arch, you could program in moar or less whatever you want (e.g on bolix, ada, fortran, c, lisp, were implemented as simply skins around the arch, and all shared in the nonoverflowability etc )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 01:00 asciilifeform: the ultimate win would be to get something other than gnat ( say, an adatron implemented in cl... ) that can build something resembling a working gnat. but sadly i suspect this is yrs away.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 16:12 mircea_popescu: i'd rather write a new ada.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894658 << there is not , in long term, any escape from 'write a new ada' (at the very least, even if there were no known gnat bugs -- and i've already found at least 1 -- on acct of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892591 ).
mircea_popescu: "we wanna fight mommy just a bit so she thinks more of us, not so she gets the fuck lost and we start our own household"
mircea_popescu: there can never be such a thing as an ada machine.
mircea_popescu: for fuck's sake. what's wrong with these people ?
diana_coman: hopefully there still is some way I've overlooked/haven't yet found, what can I say
diana_coman: absolute minimum is hard to define other than 0
mircea_popescu: inb4 "o but mp, lips also doesn't think so much of anyone besides the social worker conduit to govt dole keks"
mircea_popescu: i'd rather write a new ada.
mircea_popescu will NEVER fucking support this, i don't care what it is, people, software, whatever the fuck. husband above ALL children, operator above internal state, no fucking exceptions.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck dares it love its children more than its owner!
diana_coman: well yes, outside doesn't care /know about state, the uncaring outside, obv
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to give control of the box to "ada".
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i going to do ?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman or rather, "how to a) kill something b) in a manner that's guaranteed to work".
mircea_popescu: shinohai just because a buncha kids take 2-3 ppm of hash and play with it, by cutting it into as many various boxes with labels on them (which are now "things" dontchaknow) as the square of the kiddypool headcount mean nothing. that's how industry works, back when the parents were atthe foundry making nails, kiddies had bits and segments of nails in all the pockets to play with.
diana_coman: and I don't know what does this make re I/O operations because you can't quite control they are "in an abortable state" afaik
diana_coman: this is what I understand so far: IF you have the misfortune of calling something that won't stop for whatever reason, you're fucked
shinohai: Actually, you're right: https://etherscan.io/chart/hashrate
diana_coman: I also tried asynchronous transfer i.e. supposedly "try this and if timeout then do that" but apparently it's in fact still "oh, but ONLY if abortable"
a111: Logged on 2019-02-08 18:11 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893756 -> this makes in fact a lot of sense esp given asciilifeform's observation that indeed, that's an unrecoverable error state; so this sounds good: if child task doesn't die when aborted then kill self (taking the task with self too ofc); I'll experiment with this but afaik so far it should work
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-08#1893804 -> sadly I must say that I failed to find a way to terminate the program if/when one of the tasks is just looping infinitely ; I tried: abort of the looping task -> nothing,because task is "not in an abortable region"; Abort_Task(Current_Task) from the main program -> still stuck because apparently it takes it to mean "will stop AFTER all my dependent tasks stopped too!"; raising an uncaught except
shinohai: The amount of hash *those* guys waste is staggering. "Mah cryptokitties" and such.
mircea_popescu: lol what's the rapehole got to do with anything.
shinohai: "There are now 1375 live ETH dApps. 86% of them had 0 users today. 93% of them had 0 tx volume today."
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 15:43 mircea_popescu: seems the ~true value~ of peta hash is about 4-500 bucks.
mircea_popescu: nfi what i did above to get http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894617, but anyway : 1800 coins / day, 3500 each say, 24 hours in that day, 3600 seconds in the hour and 35k or so PH/s network speed atm, give or take. makes the true value of the ~exa~hash about two bucks.
mircea_popescu: the females' perl apparatus at least produces babies, yo! what the fuck's the male perl machine do ?
mircea_popescu: turns out that "left to their own devices", "the people" will reproduce the sterility cycle again an' again an' AGAIN and forever, to the exclusion of all else.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 16:11 mircea_popescu: !!rate dooglus -10 http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/
a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 19:47 BingoBoingo: In other wild finds relating to http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ See: Pinned Tweet Charlie Shrem Verified account @CharlieShrem 20 Feb 2017: Watch me go from CEO to Dishwasher in "Disrupting Money" (derpurl)
mircea_popescu sees quite the bridge uniting http://trilema.com/2015/gerald-davis-is-wrong-heres-why/ dood with http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893476 dood with http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834544 dood and so following.
mircea_popescu: that'd be back before they started folding left and right like cockroaches, on the slightest of pressures, each and all of them discovering they'd much rather be "media personalities" with a side-job of dishwasher than practically anything else.
mircea_popescu: anyone even recall this, btw, back when "people themselves" were gonna somehow UGC into existence the dawn of a new world ?
mircea_popescu: and should we discover that, suddenly all the early, romantic era preaching about inflation being bad ~per se~ will need to somehow be adjusted into "inflation bad because a) market-impredictable and b) government-arbitrary", and a lot of pointing out that "systems with preknown and immutable inflation are exactly equivalent to systems with no inflation", "because in functional analysis all constants are equally C" or somesuc
mircea_popescu: should be very interesting to see what happens next year -- we might discover, for the "yet unknown bitcoin flaws file" that indeed halving rewards induce halving of mining-security.
mircea_popescu: seems the ~true value~ of peta hash is about 4-500 bucks.
mircea_popescu: in other news, bitcoin difficulty looks like it's finally come out of the crazy and into economic coupling, check it out, past six months it's been evidently kept in place by fiat exchange rates.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, i wish to hear what that one guy has to say. then we see.
asciilifeform: it was the only graphical browser that was willing to build itself.
mircea_popescu: (spoiler -- it crashes just as much as the newer ones, damned thing was never stable in its existence)
asciilifeform: iirc i got 40 on the x60.
mircea_popescu: on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894536 boxes i have frozen gtk 2 ; it then permits firefox up to i don't recall, FORTY-something
asciilifeform: ftr i won't use any other wm on x, basta.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 20:15 mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i see today a light log day also...
mircea_popescu: there is ~no point~ in even having graphics if we permit broken interfaces between x and the downstream apps.
mircea_popescu: (also other reasons, but this is the most cleanly evidently indicative of the braindamage involved)
mircea_popescu: there's no acceptable x-wrappers atm, FOR THIS REASON.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:44 phf: if you simply load an x app, attach it to root, and start grabbing all the events then you can come to same conclusion as any random chick with a blog "omg all teh events"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671322 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671323 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-17#1671324 is the heart of the matter.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:28 phf: sina: could you explain the difference between how keylogger issue manifests in x11 vs. how wayland prevents it, with some technical details?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-17 03:36 phf: see architecturally wayland and x11 couldn't be more different. x11 supports a special network protocol that lets clients from different sources connect to the same instance of x. for example you can have a client from a different user on the same machine or a client from a network source (like over ssh)
mircea_popescu: in short -- i don't merely wish to import x and then end up in bullshit "kde vs gnome" faux "dilemma"s of the femstate ilk. i wish to import x in such a way as to have a sane stack. which is why i wanna saddle phf with it.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was triggered by discussion of gpg "security" features, other-windows-can-read-keystrokes, how and wherefore idiots ended up stuffing everything in the top context and it's not really x's fault and so on.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck is it god damned it, dood proved succintly he well understands the permission model sanity required by the whole stack and the idiotic breakage later morons introduced and now i can't fucking find it.
asciilifeform: there was a scene where you open sarcophagus with mummy, and monologue to it, and end up with hint
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: d00d was quite good in role of the mummy from 'day of the tentacle' ( if anyone recalls, mega-game )
trinque: it'd be appropriate for someone to see what ebuilds are actually required for a sensible x11, and to make a vpatch containing them
asciilifeform: then that's a yes
mircea_popescu: the one thing gabriel ladel did manage, get phf ranting about cairo, sgi, x, permission models, where the fuxck was it
trinque: recall the "gentoo" repository is still present on the build, though at lower priority than "cuntoo"
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether trinque mentioned an x test tho.
trinque: possible his kernel relies on the magical module or firmware loading initrds tend to perform
mircea_popescu: trinque i didn't suspect cuntoo was necessarily at fault there, no.
asciilifeform: wonder if there's a 'firefox' for irix..
mircea_popescu: they can go where they normally go and engage in the usual http://trilema.com/2017/fake-news-are-just-one-tail-of-the-failed-female-state/ activities they expect "will help" and also "are the only way to go", because #metoo and those maga people are assholes. etc.
asciilifeform: or other horror from depths of time
mircea_popescu: "this one crash that only happens twice every third saturday when running postgres on cuntoo in x mode with y switch doing z task" is still catastrophic, as these things go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct, it's the 1 major param on which differs substantially , in ways known to break old softs
mircea_popescu: THOUGH, in fairness, the genuine ubuntu very much fucking would, http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-149.127-149.158 and all that.
mircea_popescu: trinque "it's a test of musl" in the sense that if something breaks it'll likely be that, not reasonable to expect that because you took out whatever solitaire version gets bundled with gentoobuntu then therefore your build crashes.
trinque: (if I did not do the gruntwork of identifiying and extracting only the needed ebuilds, genesis would've been nearly 1gb instead of ~4mb)
trinque: the genesis.vpatch is also human-sized, does not contain everything that was in gentoo portage. it contains only what is necessary to have a booting system.
trinque: of /cuntoo/portage , the ebuild tree
trinque: yes, snapshot-and-fork of a musl-gentoo, but particularly that the snapshotting produces a genesis.vpatch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only genuinely informative parameter re old gentoo is vintage -- steady rise of fungi the closer to present day
asciilifeform: in all other respects it's ~identical to ressonably vintage trad gentoo , mechanically
mircea_popescu: tbh this thing is moving along quite prettily ; once we've had eulora and phuctor run on it for a few months we'll know whether it's stable or not and if not what to fix.
asciilifeform: it gotta be done at any rate, currently asciilifeform is the tortoise in the cuntoo race fulla achileses
mircea_popescu: jesus the blockings.
asciilifeform: no sooner than hanbot is done with her proj on the spare unit, but no reason to wait any longer .
mircea_popescu: this'd be grand. when's the due date ?
mircea_popescu: seems like the "i run it all day" glove could benefit from the sort of heavy duty brush phuctor can provide.
mircea_popescu: yes but neveremind the generalities. specifically phuctor, it's from what i understand just python ?
trinque: reading the logs since I departed, seems like it'd be helpful to do another post (after a bunch of sig verifications) where I do a literate version of the script
mircea_popescu: i mean in the sense of "well, buncha people checked sigs, signed themselves, are running it all day"
mircea_popescu: the pointers should point to cuntoo, once it's ready.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 18:37 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideally would be 'download trinque's signed iso and boot from it, then install cuntoo'
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-09#1894395 << the aim is to have people understand what I built and packaged up before cutting such an ISO
mircea_popescu: prolly need a coupla cookies and the exact path of wp-admin/blabla
mircea_popescu: well, put something like httpfox on a browser or w/e you use for that, BingoBoingo can set you up a test acct on their shared environment, and you can capture the request it makes and use that in the future.
mircea_popescu: you specifically want to curl into the web box ?
mircea_popescu: and you can definitely use the email route. moreover, if you suck in some gpgtron, you can even have the thing exposed, and only publish signed content.
shinohai: Well I often find myself using box with no X server, is there a way to say make curl request or something that would paste into web box?
mircea_popescu: though honestly, if i wanted to vim-face mp-wp, i'd put a vimterface on ~mysql~ directly, rather than the wp wrapper.
mircea_popescu: do you specifically want hooks and all that ? what am i missing here, you can just write your article in vim and either email it to the blog's pop3 acct or else paste it in the web box i guess.
mircea_popescu: i mean... you can compose it in emacs and email it to the blog even
mircea_popescu: the blog
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/02/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-jan-febr-and-march-1716-part-iv/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of Jan. Febr. and March 1716. - Part IV.
shinohai: I love lampooning, it's the point of whole blog!
mircea_popescu: you know, you're failing to keep up! there's been at least a coupla more items hence!
mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/dpb-removed-from-republican-rss-roll.html << lol, check out the skeptical/aloof/pardoy/etcetera, theological discussions, #trilema-from-a-distance, what have you.
shinohai: I wish ... would like to have a barn full of the AMD boards, not the most powerful in the world but run really great, even with own gentoo recipe.
lobbesbot: Logged on 2019-01-17 11:10:22: <requiemzz> im having issues installing the game on linux its failing after running "make"
mircea_popescu: god knows it'd have come in handy, at the least during http://logs.minigame.biz/2019-01-17.log.html#t11:10:22 sadness.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rather than a rk, shinohai cuntoo'd and AMD E-300 (AMD 64) laptop
mircea_popescu: that about the situation so far ?
mircea_popescu: ok so basically so far the situation's that shinohai managed to get trinque's sig to match on a rk but not an intel lappy, while diana_coman mod6 hanbot failed to get it to match on a diverse set of items (laptop, desktop, racked box).
shinohai: Nope, haven't posted the build/ directory up yet. Probably will do so soon.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/cuntoo-a-linux-that-sucks-less.html <<< I will mention that the USB version won't boot yet, only useful as chroot device.
asciilifeform: it was forced move, on acct of the shitfest that is 'bring own linux'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the 9000 headaches of folx who tried to build pre-rotor trb ? asciilifeform did not resort to 'and now run this 4 hour script that builds a gcc, and then builds with it a gcc, and ~then~ builds deps, and ~then~ trb' just to make life moar interesting.
mircea_popescu: mod6 as a rule of thumb, a thing whatever it may be that took over a coupla hours of your time's ripe for blog article by the very nature of life expectancy.
mod6: anyway, I apologize for not reporting sooner, just thought that I could emerge victorious one of these attempts. I'll stfu and go to work on a blog with more deets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem is that 'my own gentoo' is not a defined item.
mircea_popescu not about to pull a stink about it in the instant case, obviously. but the general config still is "wtf, can't use my own gentoo for this, gotta use apple's cable ?"