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ben_vulpes: sub ten dollars.
ben_vulpes: sub dollar.
ben_vulpes: block scarcity must be preserved!
ben_vulpes: hola mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: (but also many thanks to our supporters :))
ben_vulpes: fwiw, i don't see any need for tracking donors. anonymous charity is best charity.
ben_vulpes: jurov: thanks!
ben_vulpes: anyways, with the unspent outputs pool and ones pk's secured elsewhere on disk, a determined and angry bitcoiner should be able to manage their own wallets with a minimum of fuss.
ben_vulpes: i've not found a clever way to encourage "git" to poop "tags" between given commits to STDOUT.
ben_vulpes: i say "should", as verifying this will entail building and booting an 0.8 or later node.
ben_vulpes: nominally, returns interesting data about the unspent outputs pool. the output of which one should be able to grep through to find ones own unspent transactions.
ben_vulpes: pretty horribly named command, though: "gettxoutsetinfo".
ben_vulpes: even conformal's implementation doesn't do that.
ben_vulpes: and gettxoutsetinfo by my (late, addled) research doesn't seem to appear before 0.8 something
ben_vulpes: it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. gettxoutsetinfo + createrawtransaction + signrawtransaction are pretty close to a minimum viable bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: and to those following along with the "minimum viable bitcoind" saga at home, while createrawtransaction and signrawtransaction entered ~0.7, gettxoutsetinfo is not included.
ben_vulpes: "ballmer peak" is kind of misleading. it's more of a surfing phenomenon.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen xdotcommer
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --currency xau
ben_vulpes: ;;ping
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "nigga rigged" << til
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: did you ever actually close on any ru bonds?
ben_vulpes: most american POS operators are debit/credit agnostic in my experience.
ben_vulpes: costco*
ben_vulpes: what's the restocking cost for 2 cosco-sized shopping carts?
ben_vulpes: or has chargebacks, ibid.
ben_vulpes: it's because amex rarely bounces, being a rich person charge card.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel stumpwm it is, although the nomenclature stems from ratpoison unless if i'm doing my archaeology correctly
ben_vulpes: "they're all wired up. this is cattle country.
ben_vulpes: "is this one wired up?"
ben_vulpes must piss on each and every electric fence.
ben_vulpes: "banishing" the mouse to the lower left will trigger a dock emergence, and "banishing" the mouse to the upper right will similarly trigger a "menu bar" animation.
ben_vulpes: further adventures in bending macos to my will: the "menu bar" is hideable via configuring X11 to launch in "presentation mode", but afaik that space is still unusable.
ben_vulpes: bong and a blince?
ben_vulpes: and also the increasing difficulty of finding capable labor.
ben_vulpes: gossip from the glider club: guys in construction (yachts etc) are talking about 5% cogs increases every month for the past 33
ben_vulpes: the man goes on vacation and *boom*
ben_vulpes: so there's a really particularly good argument for tiny blocks.
ben_vulpes: more like a roach motel.
ben_vulpes: zoo implies people want to go there.
ben_vulpes: i've always envisioned NYC style "projects", but with minimal food/water/electricity/internet piped in to keep the denizens complacent.
ben_vulpes: i'd like to know who it is...
ben_vulpes: ethanol, oil, lisp...
ben_vulpes: decimation: simple things are beautifully powerful.
ben_vulpes: baby doll: "well you see you can call your cc provider up and they'll reverse the transaction for you!"
ben_vulpes: mom-in-law totally gets it "how does it make any sense to give the magic numbers that grant access to my money to other people?"
ben_vulpes: i'm listening to lady v talk her mother into buying things with a credit card online.
ben_vulpes: anything interesting in that, adlai?
ben_vulpes blinks
ben_vulpes: i'm sure there are serious beatings and playful beatings
ben_vulpes: ask his popescuity about it
ben_vulpes: beatings are for babes who buy into bdsm
ben_vulpes: a raised eyebrow should be enough for that disneyland nonsense
ben_vulpes: if you don't say anything now she's going to take it as tacit agreement.
ben_vulpes: etc etc
ben_vulpes: "and just look at gaston! you know the guy's a date rapist."
ben_vulpes: "but they set such bad role models for young girls!"
ben_vulpes: you're just letting her carry on with the disney fandom?
ben_vulpes: resist, cazalla!
ben_vulpes: airborne lusitania in 2015?
ben_vulpes: planes are safe man
ben_vulpes: the fewer things that are included in the notion of bitcoinating, the easier it'll be for nubbins` to print and asciilifeform to read.
ben_vulpes: anyways the point i'm trying to make is that desired wallet behavior is entirely orthogonal to a thing that "bitcoinates".
ben_vulpes: which then gets signed by bitcoin, given the relevant privkey.
ben_vulpes: someone could even write a script that takes an input, a config file, and a desired output to cook up the desired transaction.
ben_vulpes: sure that's sensible.
ben_vulpes: maybe i'm getting cranky, but the "specify all important outputs, remainder is for the miners" behavior of transaction processing should never have been papered over.
ben_vulpes: the implicit "pull new key out of keypool (creating new keypair if keypool is exhausted), send all spare coins beyond the explicitly specified mining fee to this new keypair" routine.
ben_vulpes: the wallet model provides cover for the "no address reuse" hooliganry.
ben_vulpes: sorry, i'm being unclear.
ben_vulpes: anyways we're talking reference implementation, not wallet for noobs.
ben_vulpes: plus the whole "sendto" paradigm provides the opportunity for downright nefarious behavior like sending change to random addresses.
ben_vulpes: that's what i've seen in practice.
ben_vulpes: put it in a spreadsheet oslt
ben_vulpes: yeah, why not? or check any of the myriad blockchain explorers.
ben_vulpes: not fundation policy by any stretch of the imagination, just my opinion at this point in time.
ben_vulpes: i'm of the opinion that facilities for btc handling beyond creating and signing raw transactions are entirely unnecessary.
ben_vulpes: unrelated but exciting
ben_vulpes: oh yeah the moviefication of the pynchon novel inherent vice releases next week.
ben_vulpes: what else
ben_vulpes: *or* importprivkey
ben_vulpes: discovered that 0.5.3 doesn't have the create/sign raw transaction facilities :(
ben_vulpes: well enough well enough
ben_vulpes: good day, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: it makes some amount of sense in a pre blockchain explorer world i suppose: 'how is one supposed to know what transactions are available for spending?' 'listunspent, oh noob'.
ben_vulpes: the wallets notion is actually dangerous to noob minds. how is anyone ever supposed to get a decent comprehensive understanding of bitcoin if it's behavior is wrapped up in this pernicious notion of wallets?
ben_vulpes: although it's right in line with the bitcoin 'no backsies' ethos.
ben_vulpes: the notion that an order once placed must live on until filled is pretty lulzy
ben_vulpes: watch out Adlai, you're in their crosshairs now.
ben_vulpes: too many pretty girls and too many pretty wilamette valley wines
ben_vulpes: dammit
ben_vulpes: "i accept bitcoin with my personal toolchain:
ben_vulpes: "i accept bitcoin with my butt:
ben_vulpes: oh man those bitpay ads
ben_vulpes: ah, forgive me. i mean "blocks" as in relatively easily handled block data. for example, the json that's returned from getblock.
ben_vulpes: i'm not arguing against parsing the blocks. it must verify the chain on download and be able to regurgitate the data on command. i suppose that i'm being too dense to grasp your meaning.
ben_vulpes: i'm circling around the notion that all bitcoin should do on the topic is vomit forth blocks on command, referenced by height. perhaps transactions, but i'm not even convinced about that.
ben_vulpes: that though is not a function of intermittently walking the recent blocks. function of braindamaged "db" implementation.
ben_vulpes: ah, surely.
ben_vulpes: what actually happens?
ben_vulpes: i've used it to watch incoming blocks, but not suffering 6 month discontinuities.
ben_vulpes: that's why i'm suggesting that data analysis be not a part of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: then you know the last received block and ideally you have all of the blocks since then and can walk them.
ben_vulpes: one can know an arbitrary address has been paid an amount trivially that way.
ben_vulpes: so watch incoming blocks.
ben_vulpes: why is balance enough in that situation? what can you do with balance that you don't in reality need the specific unspent outputs for?
ben_vulpes: open to discussion on the topic!
ben_vulpes: querying of arbitrary bitcoin data is beyond bitcoind's remit imho.
ben_vulpes: i'm currently of the opinion that providing a tube through which to suck the blockchain is accetable.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: arbitrary walks of blockchain data << i think that i disagree here.
ben_vulpes: what does "bitcoinating" entail?
ben_vulpes: *i'm* interested..
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: interested in your take on my question
ben_vulpes: - create and sign raw transactions
ben_vulpes: - keep up to date with the main chain
ben_vulpes: - download and verify a blockchain
ben_vulpes: what does it mean to bitcoinate?
ben_vulpes: a philosophical question
ben_vulpes: that's not "ycombinator ceo" though
ben_vulpes: it is now tarred by association with #bitcoin-assets
ben_vulpes: well his *name* you see
ben_vulpes: difference this time around seems to be that this orbiter is now terrified for his business propositions in the shartupsphere.
ben_vulpes: if only tiberius were still with us. now *that* was some trolling.
ben_vulpes: oh great.
ben_vulpes: interesting to watch the attack escalate.
ben_vulpes: no, our beloved spamgun
ben_vulpes: lo, i do quake!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: he threatened to call my mummy
ben_vulpes: i don't know shit about shinola, though.
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: perhaps stick it in share?
ben_vulpes: on the other hand, why not code it right in...
ben_vulpes: nor would one want keys on a phone.
ben_vulpes: not terrifically diddle-resistant tho
ben_vulpes: well i'm going to try to sleep again
ben_vulpes: that was a stated goal though, correct?
ben_vulpes: davout: seemed to at the time
ben_vulpes: happy nao?
ben_vulpes: adlai: just pissed about how https://github.com/adlai/scalpl/blob/master/ 404's
ben_vulpes: man it is *infuriating* how github urls can't be walked
ben_vulpes: all i've read that you've written is scalpl
ben_vulpes: odds are better that i'm just a barbarian though
ben_vulpes: gave me the willies when first i looked at it
ben_vulpes: your cl is oddly object oriented
ben_vulpes: no thx, i've got other fishies to fry.
ben_vulpes: i'm aware.
ben_vulpes: pahwwhwat
ben_vulpes: it's like owning horses but 2014
ben_vulpes: i think i know the guy
ben_vulpes: Long Morgan Umpqua Management?
ben_vulpes: adlai: have you started hunting bots yet? or seen anyone hunting scalpl?
ben_vulpes: you crazy quants
ben_vulpes: what do they do?
ben_vulpes: adlai: "best shot" << unimpressive, if you ask me.
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: "Perhaps we should set the default to a random value between 0-80 at startup, to incentivise miners making their own decision without actually forcing it explicitly."
ben_vulpes: any way bitcoin can be used is a fine way to use bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: has anyone ever messed around with sighash_anyonecanpay?
ben_vulpes: easy come easy go
ben_vulpes: ;;rate ELio19 1 new blood
ben_vulpes: see the chart
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot ELio19
ben_vulpes: !up ELio19
ben_vulpes: !up ELio19
ben_vulpes: ah that's right the virulent robert viragh
ben_vulpes: anyways, merry christmas ninjashogun
ben_vulpes: quickly, bahahara, send in the assasins! he's vulnerable!
ben_vulpes: me too plz
ben_vulpes: anyways can i do ya for anything else before emptying the dog's tanks?
ben_vulpes: next year when the keto freaks show up you'll want to ban glycogen or summat
ben_vulpes: got it
ben_vulpes: no trollin plebs by shit talkin popescu properties
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: an mmorpg is a decade-long project
ben_vulpes: bitbet doesn't defraud people
ben_vulpes: in any event it should be evident from the gross exaggeration of the lines in question what my intent was in that exchange.
ben_vulpes: dunno boss
ben_vulpes: actually occurred.
ben_vulpes: (slander, i'm sure)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: trolling trolls?
ben_vulpes: follow BingoBoingo's link? read logs? i don't know that she did/does either.
ben_vulpes: "business with keys", etc.
ben_vulpes: how paranoid shall we get tonight?
ben_vulpes: could just be pandering to another audience
ben_vulpes: well who knows
ben_vulpes: who knew sexy_saffron was such a vile slut shamer.
ben_vulpes: "seriously advocate for slavery" << gosh, respect a woman's right to live in whatever kind of sin she wants!
ben_vulpes: so i woke up from the sleep of "ah - i've finally stablized this thing" at the butt of dawn to bring the cluster back
ben_vulpes: "proved" << just for you, alf
ben_vulpes: decimation: well last night after rigorous testing i neglected to disable the nightly job that i'd just proved responsible for taking down the client cluster
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: went to bed at 5 am, woke up at 9
ben_vulpes: sort of
ben_vulpes: i'm aliiiiive
ben_vulpes: http://paulgraham.com/ecw.html << run many models; run as many evaluations on those models as is practical and reweight the decisionmaking balance regularly; most ideas are bad ideas so try to find the smart people. did i miss anything?
ben_vulpes: << "tragic heroes"
ben_vulpes: hairy*
ben_vulpes: just makes hairly manly men that much more of a scarce commodity
ben_vulpes: nah undata it's great
ben_vulpes: i'd have a bro in a meshback trucker cap do my sql if they came in at a good rate and didn't need hand holding
ben_vulpes: oppressed as they were by the patriarchy/british/french/native american tribal leadership
ben_vulpes: they didn't have the /freedom/ to be transgendered.
ben_vulpes: all of the hotshot engineers want to work at northrup grumman! they make things so quickly, and their things are always /so good/.
ben_vulpes: nor are government contractors notoriously incompetent.
ben_vulpes: goodness no!
ben_vulpes: this just goes to show that we really need to regulate the people with databases so that they don't leak things.
ben_vulpes: oh but decimation that's an incompetent /private sector/ actor.
ben_vulpes: i can't help reading this as anything but a play to increase the "funnel" of "civil rights" cases that justify the expansion of "rights" perpetually.
ben_vulpes: raaarh except for the hideous autoplaying video
ben_vulpes: i fail to see the import of this.
ben_vulpes: once i untangle the thing, billing will commence again.
ben_vulpes: unbillable.
ben_vulpes: damn nightly jobs.
ben_vulpes: i'm on like day three of unbillable "get client back to known good cluster state" work.
ben_vulpes: i just cut a client over to aws from heroku and while everything went darn swimmingly, amazon's performance throttling of dbs is pretty painful.
ben_vulpes: postgres being a pretty awesome sql db.
ben_vulpes: i refer specifically to their hosted postgres databases.
ben_vulpes: heroku databases are pretty dang performant, even if they are heavily constrained on the number of rows users are allowed.
ben_vulpes: for the record
ben_vulpes: poor everyone involved.
ben_vulpes: who could ever know
ben_vulpes: a pete!
ben_vulpes: evaluating odd emails threads i seem to be mistakenly cc'd on: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Zq1qJJ2w
ben_vulpes: a rose by any other name?
ben_vulpes: naphex.
ben_vulpes: "uhhh however"
ben_vulpes: "how would you like that, sir"
ben_vulpes: "yes i'd like a martini please"
ben_vulpes: awww man
ben_vulpes: in the log?
ben_vulpes: new drama, even.
ben_vulpes: lol fractional reserve not a problem? hilarious, but go on
ben_vulpes: nm carry on with your parts :)
ben_vulpes: you were in a business relationship - yourself on the btc/dev/ops side, himself on the fiat banking/regulatory side, correct?
ben_vulpes: hang on, back up.
ben_vulpes: what was the contractual dispute?
ben_vulpes: bahahara
ben_vulpes: do it
ben_vulpes: if it's tasty
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