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ben_vulpes: oh god help us
ben_vulpes: utxo also lets miners verify transactions, an important thing to preserve imho
ben_vulpes: block indices let you dump the blockchain into a rich datastore
ben_vulpes: utxo lets you trivially find outputs of your own to spend
ben_vulpes: with all the hoojum around wallets and the db, i can't help but suspect that all the state the reference client should really maintain in terms of db is a) block indices and b) unspent txout pool
ben_vulpes: in the process of running down how vins get populated, just thought i'd share some lulz
ben_vulpes: naw i don't even care yo
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/wallet.cpp#L760 << if this is what's necessary to pull an input out of the db to fill a sendto, the db is not working for you.
ben_vulpes: daaaaang
ben_vulpes girds his loins
ben_vulpes: WHEEEEEEE
ben_vulpes: recursive_mutex etc
ben_vulpes: ah okay so this is the famed c++ concurrency story. rad.
ben_vulpes: CRITICAL_BLOCK
ben_vulpes: today i learned...
ben_vulpes: but "polished"
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stCKRExcRBA << huh turns out they're not even lathed
ben_vulpes: i don't think i want lathed babes
ben_vulpes: they're not d-grade roots if you turn them down and get rid of the vile outside layer!
ben_vulpes: mmm, lathed carrots.
ben_vulpes: funny how little google and duckduckgo claim to know about al hayat and the islamic state report
ben_vulpes: something something digest something
ben_vulpes: is a gpg signature topologically the same as encrypting to the public key?
ben_vulpes: here's to thebitcoin.foundation
ben_vulpes: great party.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it's a pretty wacky thing
ben_vulpes: now you can't even bring the truck.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time you could bring a truck-mounted m16
ben_vulpes: ever heard of the "drive by shooting gallery"?
ben_vulpes: i'd suggest you consider the immense feat of reigning in the firearm use.
ben_vulpes: b) not really in the spirit of the party - messy, dangerous to bystanders
ben_vulpes: well, a) they're hard to get
ben_vulpes: oh, actual fireworks.
ben_vulpes: maybe an eye or a finger here or there.
ben_vulpes: dude you clearly have no idea how weak american fireworks are
ben_vulpes: 3-5% << looool
ben_vulpes: are you familiar with the "leave no trace" paradigm?
ben_vulpes: they don't, really.
ben_vulpes: "it's a tragedy!" "no, there are 80K drug-addled party monsters running around in the desert around giant machines built with nary much of a care for safety. it's amazing the mortality rate's that low"
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> [] and someone recently died at burning man << every year, actually.
ben_vulpes: wowee.
ben_vulpes: two thirty!
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: whoa reddit actually deleted the missile crisis thread?
ben_vulpes: guten morgen
ben_vulpes: (dun really think the two models would interact much, but also i don't know much microbio)
ben_vulpes: you can now double your ratecoins
ben_vulpes: bb quick fork your ratingchain
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> a bum, like a total, street dwelling bum, accosts some random guy begging. and the random guy goes like "ain't got nothing now", and hands him his coke bottle. << ok so i've got this crazy pet notion about maté and viral load
ben_vulpes: "I wanted to spend my bitcoin immediately, that very night, but I was at a loss." << the fiat mindset's strong with these folk
ben_vulpes: hey i finally caught up to this morning
ben_vulpes: or the semantics are totally bulloxed
ben_vulpes: so you auth and up or whatever
ben_vulpes: so what?
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: ahaha oh man once in a quarter irc lulzportunity
ben_vulpes: !down mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: !up mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] http://staceyjayya.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/transparency.html << why not start a kickstarter. << a "failed kickstarter" person is doing the "meetup" circuit in my town
ben_vulpes: except for those 10 hours reading through the intertwined wallet/transaction generation code in 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: nothing! i was derping on the mountain all weekend.
ben_vulpes: my sense of humor's kind of shot.
ben_vulpes: AT ONCE
ben_vulpes: look my whole shop called in sick
ben_vulpes doesn't into the irony today
ben_vulpes: not even a quarter key at that point
ben_vulpes: 3 oz of blow is like maybe a vulpes eyebrow
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] what's 3 oz refer to ? << can't really b'leev that 3 oz of weed makes anyone anything
ben_vulpes: hola hanbot
ben_vulpes: #bitcoin-court too, while you're at it
ben_vulpes: ;;ident pirateat40
ben_vulpes: sheeit
ben_vulpes: what did you guys do - like 500lines in the past three hours?
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: great idea, BingoBoingo.
ben_vulpes: subject of, did you ever read the book by the same title?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the future is the zodiac - ak47 of the seas
ben_vulpes: (relevant at 0:49)
ben_vulpes: DOOOOOOOOOM!
ben_vulpes: splat
ben_vulpes: ;;rate bigtip 1 easy come, easy go.
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:affcf8d12f47970d0864ea626cbe820a688382b078baac2e33e61530
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: oh ho ho
ben_vulpes: ;;rate bigtip 1 easy come, easy go.
ben_vulpes: <punkman> * bitcoin_charlie left the room (quit: Quit: Page closed by Preet_Bharara). << lol
ben_vulpes: what was the deal with "justice has been done?"
ben_vulpes: !up bitcoin_charlie
ben_vulpes: artifexd: i'm going to hazard that was shrem.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ?<mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ? << hopes that this is elaborated upon further in logs
ben_vulpes: thanks
ben_vulpes: hey y'all how does one configure fleanode nickserv to kick squatters?
ben_vulpes: trilema back for me...
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> [] they are starting to call the real bitcoin "MPcoin" << mircea_popescoin
ben_vulpes: whitelisted? iono.
ben_vulpes: sounds like a whole lotta your problem, boss
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: trilema down
ben_vulpes: !up goulash1
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: holidays were full of cake and poor self discipline this year
ben_vulpes: CAN'T WAIT TO PUKE
ben_vulpes: biking across town and running up and down the hill a few times today.
ben_vulpes: well 'nuff, well 'nuff.
ben_vulpes: buenos dias, terrists
ben_vulpes: <benjamindees> [] Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless. << who are you again?
ben_vulpes: hold on to your butt(coin)s!
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> [] how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either a btc is worth half a planet or the fees amount per block go up a few orders of magnitude or network is dead << little bit of columns a and b
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell hanbot ty, much appreciated
benjamindees: as an asset, sure, assets are easy to control with conventional means -- threats, taxation, theft, etc
benjamindees: not as a currency
benjamindees: just one, personally
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, you understand that the next, "bigger" too-big-to-fail entity is China, right? It's not Bitcoin... bankers don't take non-inflationary currency seriously.
benjamindees: Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless.
benjamindees: davout, well, the thing is, by the time it even matters, mining may be irrelevant anyways. I wouldn't bank on having a mining oligopoly twenty years from now. Mining is mostly a means of distribution.
benjamindees: davout, no, it doesn't. Bitcoin isn't ultimately equivalent to debt-issued currencies in the way velocity is measured, or in the way it impacts the value. it just appears to be at the moment because inflation (issuance) is high.
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, lol, okay, listen I think you're over-reacting a bit. It'll work out.
benjamindees: inflation is an increase in the money supply, of course
benjamindees: but that's not going to happen
benjamindees: I agree that perhaps some people might secretly like to continue block rewards forever
benjamindees: well, I was under the impression it was quite a bit, but I may have missed some things
benjamindees: Mircea, no one is going to inflate Bitcoin... where do you get that idea?
benjamindees: thank-you, sir
ben_vulpes: disrupt the whore-er-archy!
ben_vulpes: and Vexual found it
ben_vulpes: couldn't be, it's only three weeks old
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: how did i not see this until now
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
ben_vulpes: is there a distinction between "the priv key" vs the "secret" used to regenerate a key?
ben_vulpes: saw it, was too tired to even muster a chuckle
ben_vulpes: does anyone know what precisely the "private key" dumped by bitcoin is? is that the secret that can be used with EC_KEY_regenerate_key to regenerate a key?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: no sir my hands are full with cpp backports
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu knows my format :P
ben_vulpes: 'twas an exhortation to make a bnf
ben_vulpes: ignore me
ben_vulpes: artifexd: formal grammar!
ben_vulpes: me i'm just fascinated that the savages can bang such arms together with basalt and obsidian
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: consider it an otherwise unremarkable arrowhead from the dig
ben_vulpes: in the game of retarded telephone that is the us link reposting scam masquerading as 'nooz'
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah turns out some source mindlessly subbed "dollars" for "pesos"
ben_vulpes: berp nm
ben_vulpes: speedy delivery eh
ben_vulpes: jezebel*
ben_vulpes: hey mircea_popescu what's the going rate for a box of tampons in bsas? the "tampon shortage" is making the rounds on jezebe
ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model?
ben_vulpes: usg can mandate its serfs run .10 or w/e
ben_vulpes: war too
ben_vulpes: world changing
ben_vulpes: just kinda...inevitable.
ben_vulpes: it's not really an argument at this point.
ben_vulpes: "bitcoins"
ben_vulpes: "useful fool" is a phrase asciilifeform's to describe the type
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing dollars.
ben_vulpes: like to lol
ben_vulpes: i guess it works if your goal is to suck the conqueror's cocks.
ben_vulpes: does waiting on apparent victory to ally ever work out?
ben_vulpes imagines watching this flick with a typical progre
ben_vulpes: "the gods must be crazy"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: smokes. let's go.
ben_vulpes goes to swap dishwasher and laundry machine loads
ben_vulpes: i musta been putting the wrong objects in the wrong boxes this whole time.
ben_vulpes: i'll get there eventually, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: ;;google stallman toe jam
ben_vulpes: !s stallman toe jam
ben_vulpes: i smell toe jam cooking
ben_vulpes: just another *lang
ben_vulpes: ah, what's wrong with go, thestringpuller?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: oh tchyeah that thing's considered harmful.
ben_vulpes: raw transaction api backport's not totally trivial.
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> have no idea why they haven't split the node from the wallet << mostly time.
ben_vulpes: ^^ that behavior actually blows the wallet concept entirely pu
ben_vulpes: spreadsheet or org mode file should be adequate for the user of "angry five"
ben_vulpes: lol one can concieve of all sorts of things asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: or rather, notion that bitcoind should bear responsibility for tracking your coinholdings.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable' << wallet notion itself is asinine
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "phree"
ben_vulpes: but the dishwasher!?
ben_vulpes: now the washing machine can at least measure moments of inertia, and make some kind of guess about how much water to derp into itself, that i'll scowlingly perhaps accept if i'm in a generous mood.
ben_vulpes: what kinds of smarts can the thing possibly have
ben_vulpes: dafuq does this dishwasher get off claiming a "smart wash" mode?
ben_vulpes: bruce oreck is my hero
ben_vulpes: jeez guys leave my shitty puns alone
ben_vulpes: it's all somalia to me
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lol
ben_vulpes: PeterL: 'tis a reference to the homeland of the social networks
ben_vulpes: (not a typo)
ben_vulpes: "socal media"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform ^^
ben_vulpes: stan the key you signed those patches with has expired
ben_vulpes: afternoon, gents
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'd love to see api endpoints for all of the things too
ben_vulpes: !up Pierre_Rochard
ben_vulpes: !up works tho
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: still setting modes by hand?
ben_vulpes: looool
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: they migrated off of heroku?
ben_vulpes: i'll ask
ben_vulpes: neat trick, that
ben_vulpes: actually thestringpuller you can use docker to compile c on whatever and ship the resulting binary to the raspi
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> ben_vulpes: docker runs on rasbpi << and?
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --market btce
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker --btce
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes sighs, cracks neck
ben_vulpes: !up punkman
ben_vulpes: i'd up ye, but...
ben_vulpes: salud, punkman
ben_vulpes pines for a proper stillsuit
ben_vulpes: http://phys.org/news/2015-01-super-insulated-indoor.html << "sc1ence" now in full bore crapflation support mode.
ben_vulpes: i read a permutation that had him in front of a microwave dish.
ben_vulpes: not in portland, TomServo. here, they tax you for runoff.
ben_vulpes: http://truth-out.org/news/item/28390-deep-questions-arise-over-portland-s-corporate-water-takeover << rot in the local socialist paradise begins to creep to the surface
ben_vulpes: o hey a magic string
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> [] may i recommend a step by step tutorial for the borderline retarded such as myself who have the resources but not the know how to run it, provide a step by step diy and it will grow << grand idea
ben_vulpes: have i ever been aught but the court clown?
ben_vulpes: and i respond.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why focus on me, though?
ben_vulpes: because i honestly don't think that you see it.
ben_vulpes: and further - what precisely you think my part is.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you claim some sort of knowledge on how things i did once qualify me for things i do now. i'm curious to know what precisely you think qualifies me - on what sort of (shaky?) foundation those assumptions and guesses rest.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not terribly. castoffs from the pre-production days are always looking for a good home.
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