decimation: who after-the-fact claimed that she told him to back out
decimation: no I'm indicting the station controller
mircea_popescu: decimation anyway, why the driver indictment ? seems he wasn't allowed to back out
decimation: vexual: why do you aussies always adopt the most fascist usg fantasies?
fourhunderdtypes: buried to the bingo boingos in some boss soil
asciilifeform: and where's the rss thing, aha
trinque: way smaller than these giant watery things, but very tasty
trinque: asciilifeform: we've got 'em outside the front door
mircea_popescu: wtf is it. the tiny strawberry cousin
punkman: my strawberries have a bit of white there too, but this batch is good, smells/tastes like strawberry rather than water balloon
punkman: they are both in debt already
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mircea_popescu: crunchy and everything. oh, the strawberries of mine youth...
punkman: seems plausible that orc with knife cost them more than joe
mircea_popescu: in other news, i'm having the world's worst strawberries. they are the size of plums, quite red except the part under the leaf is plain white... what the fuck is with this world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point of the pressure is not the damage. merely, civilians that dun like da police.
decimation: asciilifeform: there's a similar story with the recently-released files on the metro 'smoke incident'
asciilifeform: (recall the janitor who burned down a nuke sub?)
decimation: my point being that 'services delivered' by usg are completely unrelated to the money spent
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my words were "the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks"
asciilifeform: of some schmuck shoots other schmuck? sure
decimation: well, if you take the megaprojects guy's arguments at face value, the average megaproject has a 99% chance of failure
mircea_popescu: there's been about two a week.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's been over a hundred this year.
decimation: might as well go to the roman 'decentralized' system
mircea_popescu: i dunno, whatever it is they do.
mircea_popescu: under the very real pressure of a million tiny joe stacks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and they'll be 60% privateer on a tripled budget and it still won't be enough
asciilifeform: even now they're what, 20% privateer ?
decimation: but they are scheduling maybe 2016 for 10 nm, maybe http://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/anton-shilov/intels-10nm-cannonlake-processors-due-in-mid-2016-leaked-roadmap/
decimation: intel seems to have legitimate tech to go down another halving or so
decimation: it might deliever another cycle or two
mircea_popescu: that was the one pacifier of a thousand quashed hopes.
mircea_popescu: and people will, once the moore stops.
asciilifeform: decimation: not if microshit has a seat at the table.
decimation: but you still need $bil to make the thing go
mircea_popescu: so not all cultures fuck up tech the same way.
mircea_popescu: yet they wished infinte time not infiniute money.
mircea_popescu: but in the same way : philosopher's stone bestows wishes
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc chinese focused more on the immortality thing
mircea_popescu: i just went through 5k lines today of how they don't.
mircea_popescu: what is sailing ? and why has the same tech done different things for the dutch, the english, the spanish, and the latins ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alchemy was not fundamentally the same thing for chinese and italians.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 03:49:51; asciilifeform: because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another.
decimation: the 'two parties' thing kinda became a convenient foil to distract the masses while the bureaucracy runs things
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 03:55:27; asciilifeform: this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover.
mircea_popescu: the reason the us has two parties may have more to do with the indolent stolidity of the usians minds than any rule of nature.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me just point out that the theory of "unavoidable monopoly" has issues. for instance, cabs in buenos aires are still un=united.
decimation: yeah, it sounds like the turkish government
mircea_popescu: da fuckiung world we live in. viasat has been doing satellites forever. google is a newcomer in the field. spacex is a newcomer in general. yet the viasat ceo has to explain why he, the expert, is doing what he's doing. the newb schmucks aren't expected to explain themselves.
asciilifeform: (picture if the 'anti-centralization hardfork' were a regular event.)
asciilifeform: if you even smell the practice - your whole system has failed in a catastrophic way
asciilifeform: rather than practice.
asciilifeform: thing is, like the old-fashioned proverbial nukefest, above scenario works best as a game-theoretical device
asciilifeform: (somebody plz tell the 'strings' folks this?!)
asciilifeform: 'what is the point of building a doomsday machine if no one is told!' (tm) (r) ('strangelove')
asciilifeform: sorta how working nukes gotta stay on the table
decimation: what's going to prevent the situation where only two or three miners remain
mircea_popescu: unpleasant as they are.
mircea_popescu: which is why hard forks gotta stay on the table
decimation: as the asic investment gets more expensive, it becomes more centralized and oliogopical
asciilifeform: 'Colby asked if he could have a firing squad. No, Howard said, he could not. Howard said a firing squad would just be an ego trip for Colby, the blindfold and last-cigarette bit, and that Colby was in enough hot water already without trying to "upstage" everyone with unnecessary theatrics. Colby said he was sorry, he hadn't meant it that way, he'd take the tree. Tomas crumpled up the gibbet sketches he'd been making, in disgus
decimation: are miners slaves or the elite?
asciilifeform: (which sums to the observation that it is possible to breed people to become a kind of cow)
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:39:01; decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175675 << you don't want the bitches talking back. for the obvious reason that if they can, they will, and next you're gonna have voting or some stupidshit like that.
asciilifeform: there is also orlov's 'deer hunter' effect
decimation: and of course, in retrospect everything looks like a good deal: "You should ask the people who actually got to pay for the projects and got to pay the extra sums, whether they are happy about it. Of course, later generations are happy about a project, because they get it for free ride. "
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the actual behaviour works in nature. and has its own context. this lacks both those factors.
mircea_popescu: im unconvinced this is stotting. i don't dispute it could be called that, but then again anything could.
asciilifeform: picking at the general principle of 'cheapest shaman' observation
asciilifeform: somebody gotta tell the gazelles this.
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:36:15; asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-06-2015#1175664 << it is, and remains, the premiere systematic, actual problem of the protocol. somehow, this will have to be fixed.
mircea_popescu: afaik the entire thing';s rubbishj, and if you're going to hire fortune tellers, always hire the cheapest.
mircea_popescu: i wish to be shown this "magic aesthetics".
decimation: "That means that we don't have any other buildings. It's equivalent to taking Frank Gehry, who is considered the world's most famous architect by now and who is considered to be in the same league as Jørn Utzon regarding doing magic aesthetics and magic buildings. ... That's the cost of the Sydney Opera House. It was not a success; it was a huge failure, in those terms. "
decimation: the megaprojects guy describes the failure of the sydney opera house: "The cost overrun was 1400%. And as always when cost overruns happen, the architect was blamed, and his work situation became so uncomfortable, he found that he actually left the project in the middle, with his family, and flew out of Australia, never to return."
asciilifeform wonders about the choice of elevator. gotta have been like those old pirate hangings, with hang/unhang/hang/unhang sequence
decimation: he points out that the new guggenheim museum in bilbao spain delievered
decimation: well, for megaprojects ( > $1 bils) the answer is almost none
mircea_popescu: what's the project that was on time on budget and delivered ?
decimation: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2015/05/bent_flyvbjerg.html > re: megaprojects: " Guest: No, it's actually worse than that. Nine out of ten have costs that are underestimated. Nine out of 10 have benefits that are overestimated, and 9 out of 10 have schedules that are underestimated. So, when you combine those, it's actually a very small fraction of projects that both are done to budgets, to schedule, and deliver the promised benefit
decimation: asciilifeform: or the 'drop nukes behind steel shell' method
mircea_popescu: that's the predicate.
decimation: like the nazis did, more-or-less
mircea_popescu: but the rail gun is more substantial than most shit getting funded.
mircea_popescu: basically the same hardware involved.
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mircea_popescu: they do launch jets off carriers atm
asciilifeform: i predict that eventually they will justify it with talk of 'railguns'
decimation: yeah the oneweb thing is about an order of magnitude bigger at trying to do something that has failed every time it has been tried
asciilifeform: which is why i said, these folks are trying to push scam to a kind of logical conclusion
mircea_popescu: anyway, nioce contract to have. basically, it's a "build this many launchers and fire them continuously forever"
decimation: but this isn't a simple matter either, obviously
mircea_popescu: otherwise this smacks of insanity.
asciilifeform: not the last time i saw this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would suspect they'd have a minimal sail or something
asciilifeform: whole point of the 'microsats'
asciilifeform: these are 'breadboxes'
mircea_popescu: basically, if you're gonna do leo telecoms it's either 1k or go home
decimation: no, do the orbital math
decimation: the reason why you want leo is: latency
decimation: and therefore need lots for coverage
decimation: low earth satellites can only 'see' a small fraction of the earth
mircea_popescu: and then mom asked "in what currency" and i said "doesn't matter"
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 04:12:48; asciilifeform: no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
mircea_popescu: i don't get something. what does having more satellites help ? you still have the same problems of intsat whether there's ten or ten thousand.
mircea_popescu: if they stacked shit that high he could have a twin brother, go whiterafting with the bitcoin godfather pair.
mircea_popescu: decimation isn't he the original "how to make a small fortune ? start with a big one" ?
decimation: "Hipp was designing software used aboard guided missile destroyers, which were originally based on HP-UX with an IBM Informix database back-end. The design goals of SQLite were to allow the program to be operated without installing a database management system or requiring a database administrator."
decimation: yeah he is just the crazy guy who yells at people until he is placated with rice
funkenstein_: i'm not in the know, but always assumed various usg hat wearing agencies mostly competed with other usg hat wearing agencies
decimation: if only to make it obvious that usg employees can't trust usg to keep them safe
decimation: of course the opm hack did about 1000x more damage to usg
asciilifeform: between the coke, whores, and 'warcraft' - when ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, prior to the fall of ulbricht, i entertained the notion that sr is run by 'serious person'
asciilifeform does not have 'intel dept.' and cannot comment re: what miners do, aside from the trivially observable
decimation: at any rate, making the reference client attractive to miners would be wise
asciilifeform: they can look at recently blockified tx-en
asciilifeform: not sure why any communication other than 'fee' and 'made into block or not' is necessary here
decimation: I suppose they can find through out-of-band comms with miner or by 'did it make it into block'
decimation: but it would be nice for the miner to send a polite rejection 'add yer fee'
asciilifeform: (like the idiot 'change addr' thing)
asciilifeform: not even sure that it was done for cache, rather than out of some misguided notion of 'anonymization'
decimation: as in, why does non-miner node even bother with txns?
asciilifeform: why is everybody stuck playing cache for the miners
asciilifeform: i will confess that i've always found the whole 'mempool' thing to be a dodge
asciilifeform: where would they go.
asciilifeform: they sit, yes
decimation: well, imma node, I hear txns, they all come from previous blocks
decimation: do the 'non-blocked' txns remain?
decimation: so when new block is found, and the new block only contains a subset of the existing tx pool
decimation: asciilifeform: so does the tx pool consist strictly of those txns which originate from previous block only?
decimation: asciilifeform: in the future, it would be useful to set the 'buffer size' for incoming txns in the conf file
phf: asciilifeform: i ran into log rollover, and had to restart syncing process from scratch. yet another "convenience" anti feature
asciilifeform: the whole 'one sync partner at a time' thing is also retarded, but trying to do anything about it without bringing back 'bastard cache' is pointless
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's certainly not the most pressing problem with bitcoind
decimation: it's amusing to watch the thing jump around
asciilifeform: decimation: the current 'solution' - patience - also works.
phf: asciilifeform: unfortunately not, parsing the log files
decimation: the only solution I can think of is to spoon feed nodes in a 'known good' order
asciilifeform: phf: if you generated this with a custom patch for the beast itself, please share this
decimation: I did a small sample of this, but not the whole deal
asciilifeform: phf: very interesting, and probably deserves to be posted to therealbitcoin mailinglist.
phf: asciilifeform: you might find this interesting http://glyf.org/tmp/bastard-delay.png. red dots are bastards when they are finally accepted, green dots are corresponding failed attempts
asciilifeform: no one in natoreich has so much as smelled $bil except by mercy of the crown.
decimation: which is why it's amusing that the current generation thinks that launching smartphones into space is a great idea
asciilifeform: ... and this is just to get the 5-8 y. expected life.
asciilifeform: but 'usable for the purpose for which was built' - different matter.
asciilifeform: i bet a good share of the scrap metal floating about in space is 'functional' by this definition
decimation: it's mostly broken, but sometimes the batteries unshort and you can get hemisephric comms
decimation: "An 840-satellite constellation named Teledesic went bust in 2002 before its first launch, even with the backing of Bill Gates, cell phone tycoon Craig McCaw and Saudi Arabian Prince Alwaleed bin Talal."
asciilifeform: perhaps somebody ~else~ is the mark this time
asciilifeform: ultimately they are gunning for u.s. state dept (yes) funding
asciilifeform: (repurposed ~rockets~ rather than nuke per se, yes)
asciilifeform: and - afaik - they're through
asciilifeform: there was a brief time in '90s when 'discount' launches using repurposed ru nukes on subs were to be had
asciilifeform: how this wins, other than by scamming usg, is unclear to me
asciilifeform: decimation: the sat folks are attempting a kind of chumpatron where 'let's build tiny sats that last 6 months'
decimation: http://spacenews.com/viasats-dankberg-unfazed-by-mega-constellation-hoopla/ < ViaSat Chief Executive Mark D. Dankberg said in a conference call with investors. ?There?s a question of whether making hundreds or thousands of satellites is a feature or a bug.?
asciilifeform: esp. given as in '80s, 'plenty of folks risked, they all died'
decimation: asciilifeform: nearly all the 'evolution' in modern cpus can be considered to be reincarnating things ibm did in the 60's
asciilifeform: where archs that would look entirely familiar to folks in 1960s are still considered 'state of the art'
asciilifeform: no one makes 'intel 4004' in their kitchen any more than he can make 'pentium'
asciilifeform: ic put the mega-org (in practice, arm of the state) in the driver's seat in much the same way as nukes once did (if you ask mircea_popescu) or still do
decimation: yeah and the 'die shrink' has only made things worse
asciilifeform: this is why i believe that the discovery of integrated circuit was a serious 'degutenbergization' from which we have not even begun to recover.
asciilifeform: because it is necessary to enable other rackets
decimation: hardware in general makes so little money it's a wonder anyone even bothers
asciilifeform: only thing it can beat it on is cost, and the folks who give a fuck re: cost can't afford ~it~ either.
asciilifeform: the basic dilemma here
asciilifeform: ideally - a scam directly on the folks who print money
asciilifeform: because there is no way to effectively amortize the astronomical costs without running a scam of one kind or another.
asciilifeform: the whole 'chip business' is in many ways ~inherently usgizing~
asciilifeform: and god help you if your thing has to interact with components that you can't simulate (because you didn't design them, and what, other vendor is going to share its logic? dream)
decimation: which cost ~$100k themselves
decimation: apparently they make massive 64-way fgpa boards to simulate a full chip
asciilifeform: the other things, that $m is pure sunk cost if what you get in the post is a dud that doesn't even power
decimation: apparently his eda tools were a special 'deal' for startups, with the understanding that he pays later
decimation: and he did confirm that it costs about $1m to do a chip rev, if you go through the fab's preferred 'agents'
decimation: asciilifeform: the parallella guy was complaining that fpgas have 'eaten' the dsp market
trinque: asciilifeform: it just clicked into place that these computers are precisely those field radios, as you pointed out.
asciilifeform: (there's one lab at ft. something-or-other that has ~eternal~ support contract with symbolics co.)
decimation: nah, probably because someone who knew what they were doing made it work
asciilifeform: if usg, probably just buying it to sink in the ocean
asciilifeform: ('not shakespeare, but man by the same name')
asciilifeform: perhaps some other mircea_popescu
decimation: he said that he felt when writing anything higher-level than assembly, he feels like the code 'isn't his own'
asciilifeform: the silicon equivalent of 'vanity press authors'
decimation: yeah the same podcast interviewed vic antonic fellow, who was serb who made his own 8-bit computer back in the 80's
asciilifeform: then turd firmly cemented in.
asciilifeform: (other than chuck moore. who did this, yes. but he is old, and not sure if his thing is even still made)
asciilifeform: wake me up when somebody bakes a turing-complete gadget with no winblows used ANYWHERE in the brain-to-silicon road
decimation: the guy was a dsp designer and became disillusioned by all the shit that was stuffed into dsp chip
decimation: asciilifeform: no, they use arm for board i/o control
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decimation: asciilifeform: you might find this guy mildly interesting http://www.theamphour.com/254-an-interview-with-andreas-olofsson-adatevas-ampliative-abacus/
decimation: well, they are also useless if you don't have $1mil to get 'note from stalin' to make chips
decimation: asciilifeform: kinda related are the eda tools for designing chips
asciilifeform: where your idiocies have the force of law
asciilifeform: and have crown franchise to do the whole schmuck-herding thing
asciilifeform: the apple model works if you're usg
decimation: the apple model is to try to convert your software into hardware
asciilifeform: because if you actually sell the thing full-bore, you are now 'asking money for the sun'
asciilifeform: and copies. so you're stuck where you end up selling time on the machine, in somewhat circumscribed use cases
asciilifeform: you get to an 'uncanny valley' effect where the better the thing works, the worse off you are, because 'not believable'
asciilifeform: it is just like the 'programmers' thread from hour ago
asciilifeform: back to the debug thing (because imho it is very educational) - it is very difficult to sell something which actually solves a problem, on account of the whole meatwot thing
decimation: like house moving down the road
decimation: although it keeps the big obvious infringers off 'your' land
decimation: in fact, it seems to me that claiming the land is counterproductive, just because it shows 'where to dig'
asciilifeform: then - poof.