cazalla: my brother played a lot of homm2 (mind you, here is retarded so probably didn't play it well despite sinking so much time into it, never wanted to play it over LAN with me for some reason).. i prefrered EQ..
mircea_popescu: blessfully they choked on it.
mircea_popescu: the only performance edge ms ever had in its entire history. ever. directx 6-7
mircea_popescu: i spent the decade playing homm2 and mm6/7. nevertheless... some people actually cared about everquest and wow and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: did. at the time.
ascii_modem: who the fuk cares what microshit did or will do
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:53:23; mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx
trinque: cazalla: yeah, specifically to the chick; she's in this garb that evokes a certain narrative, suddenly perked as though immediately at home in that context
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 04:14:52; trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198123 <<< i was being specific to women fwiw.. all australian men walk around with their chest out, shoulders back asking if ya wanna have a go, cunt?
mircea_popescu: punkman completely driven crazy with the body image these days. i'm surprised there's even females left at all, sometimes. reasonable expectation last one died cca 2003 over a bulimia-anorexia crisis.
punkman: I got the impression she was looking at her belly with most outfits
mircea_popescu: put a woman naked on a horse, it'll tell you all you need to know about the "empowerment of feminism" and whatnot.
trinque: fascinating observation re: the slave gear
trinque: I tend to think how you hold yourself *is* how you feel about yourself, rather than how you convey it
cazalla: not that i enjoy a slouch, just not something i've considered before either
mircea_popescu: this is shocking but factual : rarely will you see women carrying themselves like actual people outside of dance school and the slave quarters.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i liked the fact that the only pictures in which she displays good posture, she's wearing "slave" or whatever you'd call it garb.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk yes, but that's both trivial to fix and in practice long fixed (twofish, threefish, etc). it is in point of fact a VERY promising cypher branch, mostly on the account of its extremely complex schedule
assbot: Logged on 12-07-2015 03:55:35; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-07-2015#1198088 similar appeal as the dressed/undressed sets
phillipsjk: After a little research, I found that twofish was one of the finalists in that competition. (Apparently the 64bit block size of blowfish it a little small for some applications like encrypting over 4GB) You are probing me now :)
mircea_popescu: i guess "purely political" is not even the best way to state it. purely idiosyncratic.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I buy your political reasons, but aes was the 'winner' of a fairly large and open 'competition' and was then recommended by usg. How is that 'coming out of nowhere'?
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: worst thing about the early 2000s was how ms seemed it was going to live forever through directx
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197875 << having been more or less peripherally aware of gfx software the past coupla decades, i gotta tell you opengl is both come very far and possibly one of the worst retarded solutions ever seen.
gabriel_laddel: Even if what I'm suggesting for interns is state of the art for some people.
phillipsjk: Anyway, I screwed up with my AES comment: naivly encrypting game commands with a fixed key will give you the same cipher text given the same input. Chipher modes are not my field of expertise though.
gabriel_laddel: I want to move *up* the ladder of abstraction. Purely mechanical lisping doesn't interest me.
mircea_popescu: that process works better the other way. ("i need to intern for this guy" vs "i need people to intern for me")
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i think the principle of machine-fixed code is broken, but hey. maybe you're in a narrow enough case you can pull it off.
mircea_popescu: in any case : i don't like aes for purely political reasons. it became an apparent schelling point out of absolutely nowhere for no discernible reason. these situations always stink.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the problem with templates is that generating syntatically correct code is fucking impossible.
phillipsjk: Can I auth with the bot without voicing?
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197840 << this is basically how the libc hack of template files works eh.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well there goes that idea.
phillipsjk: I am not sure I can auth with assbot. to verify I need to decrypt a OTP, but I need a rating of 2 for the !up command to challenge me with one.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i think the point is able!=expected
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 20:19:34; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-07-2015#1196970 << leg is different from boobs because child born of the former can still be expected to look similar to parents while child of latter may not
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197713 << i don't follow. how's the daugther of boob implant woman not able to look the same as mom ?
phillipsjk: I really should auth with the bot with pgp though.
mircea_popescu: "At the time of posting this LTC is at $4.25, where as when I went to bed last night it was at $8.80. " << wasn't some twerp going on about how ltc has more volume than btc or some shit ?
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 12:45:57; funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??
mircea_popescu: "waiter, i ordered soffran rice and what the fuck is this yellow poison looking shit!"
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 06:06:44; Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197553 << they are disconcertingly yellow...
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems to be traction from the transaction fees article
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-august-2014-statement/#comment-114754 << don't you find it a little odd that even on an obscure liuttle game such as eulora, someone does find the time to carefully probe me about aes ?
gabriel_laddel: gernika: you live in the valley?
gernika: I attended a lisp meetup in SV today at which someone presented their altcoin which happened to be written in CL. This altcoin exists apparently because bitcoin too "too slow."
gabriel_laddel: phf: Nothing interesting. Twas already covered in the logs...
phf: there's also C-c C-d d which brings up a window with symbol's description
gabriel_laddel: !s dawg just make the cardano already so we can sell em
trinque: this I think hits the problem of "the sale wants their particular problem solved head on" vs "to be a successful software business I must generalize" squarely
trinque: and then when you've got fat stacks from all the killing you've been doing, hell, build some hardware why don't you?
trinque: and you could stack corpses to the sky replacing products which were specific incarnations of such a database, rather than attacking the general problem described above.
trinque: and a tool which allows me to rapidly do that will drastically increase the rate of said selling
trinque: model a business, describe business rules which constrain the changes possible to the model, present the state of the model in various useful ways, attach behavior to changes permitted by the model
trinque: so to the extent that you put a better tool in my hands to do that, I'll only be appreciative.
gabriel_laddel: *the development experience
gabriel_laddel: seriously, redirecting a trinque at CL would make the development 100x better.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is what I mean by "we need people to carry the water"
trinque: for example an inner join between the schema-describing-tables and the rows describing the grammar was how I wrote a generic to-string for any language in the ebnf tables
trinque: I would have to describe better how I've leaned on there being a declared schema which is also data
gabriel_laddel: yeah, I wish you the best of luck on that quest. It is straightforwards, but ugh.
trinque: or in other words... "database"
trinque: yeah, I want to go insane in an arbitrary direction changing some data structure, then decide nope arbitrarily later
trinque: and that was super powerful as well, and I don't know how to get that on the CL side
trinque: and could revise it from there
trinque: incidentally we had the ebnf one bootstrapped such that it contained the description of its own structure
trinque: it's just everything is data, including that which is used to model and manipulate the data
trinque: that was where I accidentally bumped into the power of a homoiconic language
trinque: our merry band of madmen got things such as these done once upon a time by representing the ASTs of SQL queries as table structures in postresql
gabriel_laddel: Even if the indicies are hardcoded... still useful.
trinque: eventually acquiring the mental picture of python's insane world
trinque: gabriel_laddel | how the fuck did you ever get good at python << by forcing myself to work through it
gabriel_laddel: related: I want to be able to inspect an object, mark it, then jump around through a bunch of other objects and hit a key to get a sexpr representing the accessor corresponding to my traversal.
gabriel_laddel: how the fuck did you ever get good at python
trinque: and only grow proficient in a domain when I have a sort of physical model of the space
trinque: what does the whole goddamn world look like from this point
gabriel_laddel: Generic functions for this class, sorted by if they're implemented yet, things that have been passed this type in the past...
trinque: the docs for it, and a way to traverse to related things I might want to use instead
trinque: gimme the same thing for *THIS* I've chosen
gabriel_laddel: :/ I know. Climacs is the inevitable conclusion. Doing the elisp dance around the cl package system just isn't fun.
trinque: I want to have that broken apart into sensible categories of action, a tree structure of sorts from the current point outward to wherever else I might go
trinque: I want two things, at any point I want to know what I have available to me in the context I'm in
gabriel_laddel: lol, idle timers are the ONLY way to do that
trinque: yes that might be the right way; I'm not in a position where I feel I know the best way yet.
trinque: gabriel_laddel | trinque: yeah, so fyi there is no obvious way to add the docstring to eldoc << thanks for the crack at it
assbot: Logged on 23-05-2015 07:11:21; mircea_popescu: seems the sort of meta-prograsmming task for which lisp was invented anyway. keep your code as a s-expr of the code you deliver.
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:07:49; gabriel_laddel: MP is on the verge of understanding.
ascii_modem: notice - princes - they spit
phf: because technology change, but thinking basically remained the same
phf: at some point i assume it wasn't retarded, more like "what can i do with these resistors and a soldering iron", became retarded later
gabriel_laddel: ascii_modem: dija read the part where I specified the reason for this is to impress a prince?
ascii_modem: all of these turd polishings are 20+ years of wank by now,
gabriel_laddel: phf: then wtf is everyone discussing on #lisp?
gabriel_laddel has a document collecting these links, ideas
gabriel_laddel: I read the relevent cliki page.
ascii_modem: you won't appreciate the full weight of this until you try to do something with, e.g., graphics, or signal process
phf: i think "minimal set of common lisp primitives" is a common theme on #lisp, not surprisingly with different answers every time
ascii_modem: the retarded os, in turn forced into being by retarded hw
gabriel_laddel: sbcl, ccl, allegro, lispworks - each had own << You can still take portable CL programs and run the upgrade program on them without forcing compiler changes.
gabriel_laddel: ascii_modem: there is a scheme which didn't throw away the CL compiler and start from scratch?
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 22:43:42; gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.
gabriel_laddel: phf: also, I think the loper device will end up being designed on top of CLIM.
phf: i'm not one of those people you're arguing against, i like cl standard just fine. i did paid common lisp consulting on and off for the past 10 years.
gabriel_laddel: These metaprograms are great tasks for interns, especially those who don't "get lisp" yet.
gabriel_laddel: Work CL down to the core language and then when you get something new to play with you can build up that core and run (some) 'CL' programs on it.
gabriel_laddel: Even with a Loper device you'll still have programs composed of the same primitives: draw-circle*, draw-sphere*
gabriel_laddel: Over the course of a few years we can work the language down to something much smaller without at any point making it unsuitable for production work.
gabriel_laddel: I, for example, dislike having both defstruct and defclass in the language.
gabriel_laddel: For example, say that you find the existence of both elt & nth to be stupid. write a (meta)program that walks an arbitrary CL program and fixes all elt's to nths. Let everyone know that it's deprecated, and that they can run this program on their code to update it to CL 1.2 or whatever.
gabriel_laddel: People keep bitching about "all the things wrong with common lisp" while completely ignoring that you can meaningfully upgrade the language without throwing away all the work that has been done over the years.
gabriel_laddel: Look, there is no reason we can't take SBCL and incrementally modify it to work on a loper device
phf: yeah yeah, but it's cockroaches all the way down. anyone sane who's attempted ends up like asciilifeform, rejecting von neumann architecture, and ultimately giving up
trinque: if you'd cracked warp drives, yet were surrounded by imbeciles that couldn't use the knowledge if they tried, maybe you might try to stash the knowledge in some corner of the world where it may re-emerge later
trinque: barring that... sbcl on unix? or some other compromise?
trinque: obviously I want stan's fucking c-gate flowputer if it would mean I can actually reason about the machine's behavior
trinque: I'm trying to say something about acts of desperation around preserving a dying (better) culture in the midst of an insane one.
gabriel_laddel: hrm.. I'll drop something in the logs about forwards compatibility sometime.
trinque: emacs is the closest thing I as a derp coming into the industry in 2006 would ever find which somewhat resembled the experience that was possible *before I was goddamn born*
gabriel_laddel: Spending a year learning elisp, and then a year unlearning it because it's a dead end isn't pragmatic at all.
gabriel_laddel: Emacs is Stallman hating the lisp machine. Pragmatic my arse.
trinque: with the pragmatism dial set somewhere middling
trinque: I wouldn't even be bothering now if I hadn't used emacs for years prior
gabriel_laddel: MP is on the verge of understanding.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: indeed, I "see what you did there" so to speak
gabriel_laddel: so they go back to windows and rage
gabriel_laddel: trinque: fundamentally the only way I see this happening is by getting a great prince to "see" why it is one would like such a thing.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: seems the further down the stack lisp might reach, the more the argument that it should be coming from the bottom up applies
phf: lispworks clim is a life support for legacy systems, and as such their technical decisions have merit
trinque: I'll be fine seeing someone stick a chisel in the ear of emacs, breaking it into the several pieces it should've been
gabriel_laddel: the only way to go is all lisp
gabriel_laddel: phf: the whole "backends" thing (which lispworks uses) is retarded.
phf: hmm, might be worth giving it a try then. i wrote some code with clim a while back, but that was using lispworks
gabriel_laddel: earlier I started to modify the address book to handle my rolodex
gabriel_laddel: phf: My dashboard (which I use every day) is CLIM. I edit text in CLIMACS from time to time, use the listener to browse classes.
phf: gabriel_laddel: have you been using mcclim for day to day hacking? last time i tried it, it was very slow. but then it was on a ppc machine, so maybe moore's law took care of that
gabriel_laddel: trinque: try `apropos' and note that you can display all generic functions for a class using the left click.
trinque: I'll try your suggestion there
trinque: ah ok; yeah, paging through the hyperspec is my current method of discovering new functions to use
gabriel_laddel: I ended up binding it to f8, as was tired of pulling it up all the time.
gabriel_laddel: I can't speak to that, but using the class browser is a great boon to CL development.
trinque: I'm open to hearing how I'd use CLIM there
gabriel_laddel: trinque: have you been using the CLIM listener in your CL hacking?
gabriel_laddel: the end
gabriel_laddel: so I just have to find that, modify the format string
trinque: don't even have to do the former unless you want to
assbot: airwx comments on I am Steve Huffman, the new CEO of reddit. AMA. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYrH4T )
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197651 <<< does not appear he will ban /r/coontown https://archive.is/UE0n9 meanwhile coontown banned me from their irc channel
mats: dun think there's any correlation
jurov: solomon, the first C programmer
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 19:37:48; mircea_popescu: and especially nonsensical given that there's an exactly just as silly, but opposite direction social convention : people going around with a prosthetic leg are apparently GREAT!11
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2015 19:33:32; mircea_popescu: ascii_field i still have no idea why anyone'd get married, but then again i'm weird like that.
mircea_popescu: it's sitll going as it is, just the experience filling bar of skills is fucked up
mircea_popescu: and in other news : eulora is currently being practically re-written, because fucking idiots and their fucktarded assumptions. "oh, nobody could POSSIBLY ever want an int other than ~16!!!!~ bit". as a result, the skill display in game behaves eratically. as a result, all places that use ints and were apparently not upgraded to 32 bit because too much fucking work are now getting redefined as 64 bits.
pete_dushenski: presents are moar speshul when they're just for you !
pete_dushenski: same article, encrypted to each of their keys
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gernika: mircea_popescu no he seemed to make eye-contact, connect, etc. Aaron Schwartz, who I met at a similar such party (possibly even the same one) struck me as being much more of an autist.
mircea_popescu: in any case reddit's a chapter right out of the lolbook of failmanagement, you get an interim ceo to ease the transition to... one of the old founders ? that board is so stupid it can sit with the worst of 'em, http://trilema.com/2010/cel-mai-prost-board-din-istorie/ and so on.
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 00:37:04; gernika: "Ellen Pao, the interim chief executive officer of Reddit, will be succeeded by Steve Huffman." << Met this guy (Steve Huffman) years ago at a YC startup school event. Had a brief discussion with him about lisp (don't recall the dialect he used).
shinohai: nope never got another email :/
funkenstein_: "Benner has lofty goals for his synthetic molecules. He wants to create an alternative genetic system in which proteins [] are unnecessary" <-- ??
kakobrekla: ist Journalist in Berlin, leitet den dpa-Themendienst und twittert hier privat vor allem zu Medienthemen.
jurov: cazalla what happened to them?
cazalla: miss my chickens, rip in peace http://i.imgur.com/5UdH5PC.png gonna get some new ones in the spring
cazalla: whites not runny either!
punkman: jurov, people like the darker orange yolks here
jurov: and when used as ingredients, it colors the dough or whatever, too
Naphex: 04:14 <+hanbot> people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious <- Happens pretty often
decimation: in the us, to be against 'walmart profits' is to be labeled a socialist. it's rarely the case that someone points out the degree to which walmart profits are dependent on socialism themselves
hanbot: people are going to be sucked into convenience > quality (sanity) so long as they can't appreciate what quality is. i had a visitor in romania who had never seen good egg yolks, thought they were "suspicious"
mircea_popescu: i dun think this is much of a novel point. fundamental point. "be the change you wish to see" etc.
decimation: mr. lafound makes a novel point (to me) that the rich folk (think jwz) are equally complict, thinking that saving $0.25 on eggs at walmart is purely neutral
decimation: it's been well covered in the us media that walmart 'arbitrages' usg benefits/slaves into profit
mircea_popescu: " As Wal-Mart gets the lions share of food stamp transfers [EBT cash and food] than this operation amounts to a 19th century Appalachian coal mine with its own company store, with over half of the employees spending mostor even more thantheir salary at the Wal-Mart register, literally a captive market and labor force in one."
mircea_popescu: an entire den of fraudsters and con men they got going there, not like phantomcircuit's anyone else than the bitcoinica thief etc.
mircea_popescu: the man lied. publicly. for profit.
mircea_popescu: i especially do not appreciate the b-a equivalent of a convicted felon being treated as he may have an opinion on matters.
mircea_popescu: just... you know, go ask reddit what it thinks on reddit, and the power rangers on #power-rangers or wherever the fuck they hang out these days.
mircea_popescu: might as well ask whats his face "bitcoin godfather" about gaming or keiser's ho whatever her name was about "telejournalism"
decimation: I was curious about the particular census mechanism, and the degree of support amoung 'bitcoin core' 'devs'
mircea_popescu skips the Luke-Jr, vexual etc lines in the logs. not sure why people keep feeding the weird, but anway.
decimation: mircea_popescu: 90% of modern 'journalism' is 'the story behind the story behind the story', most of which is bullshit
mircea_popescu: equires some schlep << why do people insist to use words in languages they don't speak.
cazalla: meh i just saw pgp in the headline, read it and thought perhaps might appeal to others here
mircea_popescu: i don't even give a shit who this vincenzetti derp is. why the fuck would i now care about a sanfilippo derp
decimation: and/or imagine that they would be 'good' in one
decimation: I think most 'adults' in the west would prefer to live in a tv program
mircea_popescu: italian daytime tv conquered the fucking world.
assbot: Logged on 11-07-2015 01:10:17; decimation: "Sanfilippo described Vincenzetti as a very liberal person interested in protecting free speech, someone who saw cryptography as "a means to protect communications." But over time, Vincenzetti's view evidently evolved to allow the security professional to found Hacking Team. "
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-07-2015#1197311 << all this meta comentatory bs. "what has luigi's wive said about giovanni's girlfriend ? what has the mother of the coach's sister said about what the wife said about the girlfriend ? what are people saying about what people said about what was said about some talks some said they had at some point regarding what was said earlier ?"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, apparently no one signs them.
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 21:39:21; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178148 << will add to this. in every single field i dive into, i find these 'lisps' - i.e., the ~actual~ state-of-the-art buried under piles of shit strategically crapped out by one, two, more generations of mediocrities
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-06-2015#1178327 << What is the 'lisp' of mathematics?
mats: extraneous space prepended there
mats: did you decrypt the otp and send it to assbot?
ag3nt_zer0: Wonder if anyone can help ... Am I missing a step when trying to rate somebody? do I have to do something beyond "!rate" command? I ask because I do not see my rating as having appeared to the recipients via BTC Alpha... should I see it or is my rating just not appearing amongst the others because I am not a trusted relationship at this point?
mats: "Every person given a government background check for the last 15 years was probably affected, the Office of Personnel Management said in announcing the results of a forensic investigation of the episode, whose existence was known but not its sweeping toll." << lol, fuck. i'm in this db.
mats: yet another mitm bug
williamdunne: Luke-Jr: In fairness, the fact that this is a public logged channel is made quite clear
gabriel_laddel: BINGE is a FFI generator for Common Lisp. It parses C source files (header or code, it doesn't mind) and spits out a FFI for your Lisp system of choice. Functions, global variables, types and symbolic constants can be extracted just naming them. Its design is modular so that adding a new FFI API is a matter of few hours. Back-ends for SBCL, CMUCL, LispWorks, UFFI and CLISP are provided.
Luke-Jr: (it's ironic but true that Mike Hearn has written two changes in Bitcoin Core, and both of them introduced serious bugs..)
Luke-Jr: decimation: no, it is to the users - Bitcoin Core 0.8.0 changed the rules, but was not adopted as the new protocol, so it was wrong
decimation: Luke-Jr: you see how this has the convinent side-effect of ceding complete authority over 'bitcoin' to the 'bitcoin core' committers?
Luke-Jr: decimation: this is why Bitcoin Core 0.8.0's bug was a bug in 0.8.0 and not the (commonly used) older versions
Luke-Jr: decimation: Bitcoin's rules by nature are defined by the actual software people are using. If a "spec" disagrees with those de facto rules, the "spec" is wrong.
gabriel_laddel: I wish someone would automate this already. I write the functions, then pass them into `export-functions' which walks the program, generates POST routes for all of them.
gabriel_laddel: so you have a few function calls that diddle the db and you're tying those to routes?
decimation: Luke-Jr: this whole line of action strikes me as backwards. why not produce a spec before forcing changes from the de-facto standard?
trinque: but that's the thing I'm rewriting... "pgtoot"
trinque: haven't used the latter with anything mission critical; it was a matter of evaluating it
trinque: this will be the first server side component
trinque: got something out in the world that runs cl, talks to a web api
gabriel_laddel: And you talk to the thing in CL?
Luke-Jr: decimation: there is also https://github.com/jtimon/bips/blob/bip-forks/bip-forks.org , but IIRC it had some problems