mod6: yeah, iirc keys will not be removed from the phuctor pool.
nubbins`: fromphuctor, i can only imagine your key was gleaned from some other publicly-accessible key server
trinque: what is this, the right to be forgotten?
trinque: fromphuctor: sks is the system which distributes public keys
nubbins`: phuctor is smashing numbers together, right now, churning through huge data sets of pgp keys
trinque: fromphuctor: maybe you don't understand the purpose of phuctor?
mod6: hmm, that error comes from one place: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0442 << perhaps thats when all of those tiny tx's started filling up the block space?
fromphuctor: I no longer use the key and I just dont want my info being indexed by google
jurov: also, other keyservers might mirror it
jurov: fromphuctor: did you remove the info from SKS keyserver, too?
fromphuctor: so should I private message them or wait here?
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 08:20:36; mircea_popescu: "in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ?
mod6: ok, yeah, im getting the same thing.
gernika: My OpenBSD bitcoind has stopped syncing: trying connection x.x.x.x:8333 lastseen=-371358.4hrs lasttry=-399136.2hrs | it had been syncing from the address in the qntra post.
gernika: <+mats> ideology. << what about a qntra email list? I'd search the logs to see if this has been proposed in the past but ... can't.
jurov: also, what happens when blockchain.info screws up like recently? how are the tx gonna go to miners?
funkenstein_: so you can check yourself the coin you receive
jurov: lets just submit everything to blockchain.info and verify their blocks and sleep tight
jurov: why even running a node otherwise?
funkenstein_: integrity of blockchain and consensus is essential. How TXs get to miners is not. They could go by pigeon to Luke-JR's kitchen if need be.
funkenstein_: for broadcasting a TX today i would recommend blockchain.info, coinb.in.. there are a few others that will get your tx to miners
funkenstein_: tx relaying is strictly philanthropic at the moment if iiuc
funkenstein_: that is responsibility of tx publisher to get them to a miner
funkenstein_: i was sorta under the assumption the main purpose was to be present en masse in block relaying network, hence providing some sanity in block verification
jurov: funkenstein_: imo tx relaying is fine.. but holding them in memory beyond that is problematic
junseth: Hi everyone. thought i'd come by for another flogging :)
decimation: ah, I had cstate shit enabled, might be part of the problem
jurov: now if these ssds in msata format were actually cheap
jurov: well.... that's just too slow. either add RAM or change to SSD
asciilifeform: that eats arbitrary tonnage of shit fed in from the net, no less.
asciilifeform: from the lulzfarms: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3d8z5x/today_ebay_bans_bitcoin
fluffypony: why not just stick qntra / a mirror behind CloudFlare? it's a news site, it's not like the information is super sensitive
jurov: lol why not these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Betty-White-Bea-Arthur-Golden-GIrls-TV-Show-Television-Wall-Clock/141715392312
shinohai: Here is the beast that will solve all your time issues: http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Computer-Terminal-and-Monitor-LCD-Quartz-Mini-Clock/111704622008?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29980%26meid%3Deaed39f400a34191b05cad268f8d3baf%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D111680976291
jurov: <trinque> [20150714 03:19] should be a simple switch to flip in main.cf << no, it needs own valid cert, otherwise peers will go "wtf is this. disconnect!"
cazalla: "kill them wherever you find em"
fluffypony: a flag fell, so therefore
punkman: was USMS the longest bet?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, yeah longer than i thought i'd last.. i'll enjoy this bottle and then take another break i think
cazalla: can't say that about many other people in my life
cazalla: punkman, about 6 weeks.. not drinking sorta reminded me of why i drank in the first place
cazalla drinking... drought has ended, whiskey rains from the sky
cazalla: what is the command BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: What's the weirdest node useragent everyone is connected to right now. I'm apparently peering with: "subver" : "/Satoshi:0.11.99/Gangnam Style:v1.00XL",
ag3nt_zer0: cazalla: yes I bought what they sold and willingly... and I am that now
mircea_popescu: nothing can happen "in front of a four year old". because no four year old is the fucking axis of thew world already
mircea_popescu: "in front of a four year old" wtf is the snotty shit, a judge now ?
mircea_popescu: trinque or maybe they just dunno wtf they're doing, spinning the wheel of morality over there
trinque: or maybe she turned on him and signed the "yes we actually fucked" papers
mircea_popescu: the people born of that will not suck so much
mircea_popescu: it'll do them a lot of good
cazalla: but anyway.. what is that saying.. a nation can survive anything but treachery from within.. mircea_popescu is right that if you don't want to suffer this, don't be on the losing team.. if muslims ride into battle and rape and kill all the english (or australians) than i guess so be it, only thing i despite more than the muslims are the limp wristed whites
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: fuck a national or cultural identity - i used to feel that way... but I always felt like you can go the other way too... thinking that things matter. So, it's from there that I would ask are a culture and, much later, a nation, originally expressions of individual races?
cazalla: but these fucking drones just signed it and passed it to the next person, i never really understood that
trinque: we're just supposed to look sadly at the page of the book on the trail of tears for a few minutes, then move on
punkman: "Jose Caballero, 40, was sentenced to two-and-a-half years in prison today for an X-rated beach frolic he had with Elissa Alvarez, 21, last July. Both Caballero and Alvarez will both have to register as sex offenders for their mischief, which involved copulating on a crowded beach, in the middle of the day, in front of a four-year-old."
cazalla: in the mid 90s students were asked to sign a "sorry book" apologising to the australian aboriginies.. i just refused to sign it and that was that, if the other students had simply done the same, it would not have gained any traction, there was no consequence for not signing the stupid fucking book
trinque: both for the obvious reason and because for the person hearing it, it sounds like a damned fancy excuse to not put themselves together
cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, i never finished school but by paying to attend these places of higher education, you are buying what they're selling whether it be white guilt or what not.. i ran into this type of shit in different jobs but i always just refused to go along with it and they were always stumped as what to do next
trinque: I am always suspicious of a person giving someone a very serious sounding description of an abstract mental dysfunction they have.
trinque: or a mother-state?
trinque: otherwise what, a better church?
trinque: yeah man, he's just giving people excuses for being confused about who they are
ag3nt_zer0: they were all busy loving
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: what guilt? the class is on teaching you that you're guilty.
punkman: "“We’re dealing with basically tourists,” Dafonseca said. “They’re here on the beaches of Manatee County, our public beaches. So you want to make sure that this isn’t something that just goes by the wayside. And that it is well known to the community what will be tolerated and what won’t be.”"
ag3nt_zer0: or the cowardice
ag3nt_zer0: that's the guilt
ag3nt_zer0: fwiw, I sat through college lectures on "micro-aggressions" where the big bad white man just sat there and took it that he was the bad guy
ag3nt_zer0: well, ... the video is 12 minutes long and i posted it 6 minutes ago... maybe at least give the whole thought a listen
trinque: cazalla: me either
cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, the white guilt shit in that video, i don't really understand or grasp why people suffer from that
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mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a very readily obvious and openly available method to not have to suffer the indignities of the defeated.
ag3nt_zer0: given that the suicide rate is like 10 times higher if you are by "nature" transgender, I have this sick thought that it would be epic if I am Cait ended with a self inflicted shotgun blast to the head...
mircea_popescu: or wait, that's the jess
mircea_popescu: cuz iirc they don't eat lobster.
ag3nt_zer0: I, for one, can't wait for the premiere of I am Cait!
mircea_popescu: what, like the us is killing a buncha ukrainians for same ?
chetty: well if the news can be believed they are killing a lot of christians in the ME for not converting ...
mircea_popescu: which to me personally is about as offensive as anything the mulsims do in their god forsaken desert shithole.
mircea_popescu: but i did find out with dismay that the fucktarded usians convicted some dude to hard prison for fucking his partner on some beach
trinque: and some other ones
mircea_popescu: i dunno that muslims pester non muslim women to wear burkas. not anymore than catholics pester non catholic women about how to raise the children
trinque: they did after all blow up that building that time
mircea_popescu: chetty as proven by what, that you still have your head ? maybe they tried but ineptly, like anything else they do
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 yeah well if the brits weren't some unvigorous waster cunts, mayb the muslims wouldn't HAVE TO take their country from them
chetty: well none of them ever tried to behead me for not listening
mircea_popescu: i take it you've never had jehovites at the door chetty ?
ag3nt_zer0: different peoples just have different ways of doing things... this also means that they have different ways of doing civilization... so that maybe one group can't take the reigns from another without significant hardship and the potential high risk for failure and disaster
chetty: the difference is the mormons dont try to insist everyone should wear their underwear, the muslims get pretty insistant about burkas
mircea_popescu: to not even go into the chinatowns. those people put VINEGAR into their COOKED food, and sugar in things which are not desert.
mircea_popescu: what exactly is your choice paradigm to distinguish between these, and why exactly is it that the utah mormons don't bother you but the london muslims do.
trinque: yes but I don't like the burkas
mircea_popescu: some people keep the kids in blessed underwear ; some people keep the kids without ipads ; some other people keep the kids in burkas
ag3nt_zer0: I dont see the connection
mircea_popescu: so what's this, we're gonna tailor the shoulds and should nots by what you mind ?
cazalla: the no transfusion thing is bullshit .. i grew up with that and when push comes to shove, most opt to take blood
mircea_popescu: not to even go into the no-transfusion groups or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: but there's this community of weirdos doing things like forcing kids to go without electricity.
trinque: probably about like maryland is falling to the blacks
trinque: if so why are they in school
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: I don't think thats the reason... Intelligence and motivation are greater than facilities and even teachers
mircea_popescu: but from the little i cared to read, it'd seem to me "sharia law" applies in london within sharia laws communities, which is not actually relevant to you.
mircea_popescu: this you gotta ask the left :)
ag3nt_zer0: ok. does not Sharia Law conflict in a number of ways with the western "liberty traditon"?
ag3nt_zer0: I mean I like the mexicans tacos for sure but the culture doesnt respect education in the same way... so there is a clash there
trinque: whatever one can say about multiculturalism, it's not going to come from any observation of the modern usa
ag3nt_zer0: its lumped right there with tolerance and diversity
trinque: I think we just wiped our ass with our only copy of the language.
mircea_popescu: "the states" isn't a special place where the derps can get 5 to be an transcendental if they so agree.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: in the states this is what it is
mircea_popescu: mr tricatel isn't in any sense part of the academie francaise, that's for mr. duchemin
mircea_popescu: the relationship is quite akin fast food and cuisine.
ag3nt_zer0: past and thus no concern for the future,, etc
ag3nt_zer0: I struggle to see how cultural relativism, multiculturalism as manisfest in states, offers any sort of couldn't-do-without-benefit to the western civilizational heritage... It seems to be manifested as a hugely destructive and degenerative force in US regarding everything from lowered national debate standards to laxed educational standards, erosion of free speech, critical theory where it doesn't really belong, poltical
mircea_popescu: and especiallymost when directed at random starlets so desperate for publicity they'd eat their own head
trinque: this would be the best publicity yet for mr trump
mircea_popescu: threats are a serious matter. expecially on the internets!
trinque: seriously where are the administrators
mircea_popescu: they'd better shut down his account!
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mircea_popescu: it is pretty disruptive, or in the converse expression, it isn't at all described by what people think when they hear the word mmorpg.
mircea_popescu: then again, i don't give a shit about most people.
mircea_popescu: now, granted, this isn'tr most people's idea of fun - having an untractable problem in their lap.
mircea_popescu: phf which is why it's fun - actually fun. because you gotta find a way. it's too complex to effectually model even, at least so far, so therefore what bots.
scoopbot_revived: The increasingly tricky proposition of multiculturalism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/14/the-increasingly-tricky-proposition-of-multiculturalism/
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mircea_popescu: amusingly, we took turns at it over the years.
mircea_popescu: had the longest standing debate with hanbot, whether he's a superellaborate troll or what.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yep I have, although afaik he's getting out the silver game
mircea_popescu: some people enjoy the detail, they can do X. some people enjoy pacino's puckered asshole... let them do y.
phf: seems like if i wanted to find them, i might as well write a bot that would do random walk, then explore, etc. let it run for a day. though that will cost me in pick quality. hmm
mircea_popescu: whereas in stupid games, it's "faucet X is the biggest, gotta bot this or bust".
mircea_popescu: but basically, from a player pov, the economy is elastic enough you can choose. you wish to risk 100 coppers per click, do X. you wish to risk 10k per click, no need to do X 100 times, can just as well do Y.
phf: i'm thinking i don't know enough about how eulora world works to say much. you mentioned that people are mapping mining locations, but then i tried searching for mushrooms around a location where i found them previously and couldn't find any
mircea_popescu: phf in any case, there is no actual incentive to bot, or i suppose the proper format would be to say everyone can bot just as well.
phf: mining for example is usually solved either by people who have nothing better to do but grind, or else heavy scripting
BingoBoingo: I'm just trying the lazy way before actually hunting down the "correct" versions of Cal3d and crystalspace
phf: it seems like a tricky balance between integrity and fun. i've not thought about this enough, but it seems the more integrity you have in game the more you gain by not actually directly playing the game
mircea_popescu: if you manage to get it going on openbsd put the recipe in http://www.eulorum.org/Installing_Eulora ima give you some gin or wine or something
mircea_popescu: i guess the melonsized tits are ok, if pressed.
mircea_popescu: which obviously, together with their inability to model, makes bullshit like "level caps" unavoidable and on and fucking on
mircea_popescu: dumbass ipad games, you tap the screen twice and it's CONGRATULATIONS! you're level 5.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you actually met the silver baron dude ?
CrazyLoafer: BTC, LTC, XMR, some other smaller alts
CrazyLoafer: wow this is where all the celebrities hang out :O
mircea_popescu: none of that bullshit bezzle game economics, ima puke if i see another SoJ
mircea_popescu: not even the funding model, it deliberately has a strong currency for purely game design concerns
phf: right, exactly i was about to say, necessary with the funding model
mircea_popescu: well, the copper's bitcoin based, so.
mircea_popescu: or alternatively you could find someone to sell you the crafting starter item and try to get skill starter drops
mircea_popescu: anyway, the current eulora problem as far as miners are concerned is : there's a single shot very powerful mining tool, which seems like the oinly hope to acquire essential resources choking toolmaking and cooking. since these are in short supply, people are working to make a map of known resources, so as to explore the unknown spots
mircea_popescu: it'll get wiped eventually even if locked, but you get more than the unlocked hour.
mircea_popescu: if you read the first node, which is really all that i've bothered with, it even tells you the location on disk
phf: oh i thought that was pulled from the server
phf: i started with help, but there wasn't even a mention of mining, and some of the commands that are in help are not implemented (e.g. /dig)
BingoBoingo: Does Eulora have chairs yet, so that they may be stacked for space exploration purposes?
phf: well, my initial impression is that it would be hard to discover all the available functionality
mircea_popescu: at least, that's the intended strategy.
mircea_popescu: and generally, i expect expansions to be there long before anyone actually reached the point where they can play them
mircea_popescu: there's going to be an update this week adding more, but i doubt anyone's gonna see it this month. maybe. depends how seriously ppl play.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole thing is very much player driven. for instance, out of the ~dozen skills available, afaik players found like .. 4 so far ? i guess 5.
mircea_popescu: the latter.
phf: are you thinking of extending the same map, or completely new locations via teleports or such?
mircea_popescu: anyway, as the population progresses there's gonna be moar maps, but atm too noobish :D
phf: it's amusing, old school. reminds me of early 3d rpgs. i didn't realize how small the island is though. needs more scenery
mircea_popescu: well... so how do youi like the scenery ?
mircea_popescu: sucks, the mushrooms are in short supply.
phf: i had no time to, i was enjoying the scenery :)
phf: well, that was my first eulora drama, came back to find my future fortune literally crumble to little bits o' nothing. tracked the coordinates, explored.. nothing. literally feels like i just frantically dug a bunch of earth looking for wooly mushrooms that are no longer there
mod6: ok looking through the hexdump -C diff now....
asciilifeform: mod6: hexdump -C, then diff
mod6: welp, they do hvae differenet hashes. that at least is obv.
mod6: Someday, we're gonna get the kinks worked out of this system.
mod6: ah, yeah... hm. I believe when I went to sign all the patches from the last release, I had to pull the patches, and then sign them as if I had wrote them myself for them to be accepted.
mod6: and I'll find a new ascii art instead of the jolly roger ;)
asciilifeform: i recall that last we spoke of this, folks signed and noticed that jurov's patch sig widget didn't eat them correctly
mod6: I'll make an effort this week to sign the patches I've read and understand, even if still experimental at this time.
asciilifeform: as the war heats up.
asciilifeform: not sure about other kinds
mod6: it does help. i often have to come back to it like a day later and re-read my own stuff for the 9th time.
trinque: the box was getting ass-blasted with spam
asciilifeform: trinque: it's also how you get the next 'hearbleed' on your box
trinque: jurov: tls outbound smtp for the mailing list plz?
trinque: I do read the mailing list, yes
asciilifeform: trust & fuzzies is great, but i'd really like folks to start reading the patches
mod6: <+trinque> I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6 << in that it would have been 1/2 of the foundation's official seal?
asciilifeform: feel free to use a different graphic if the old 'jolly roger' has gotten boring
trinque: I can see the point that two signatures would've communicated what you said, mod6
mod6: I'll give this some further thought going forward. I don't wanna hold off on pulling the trigger on this stuff if all I need is simple skull & cross bones.
mod6: I've tested it, trinque has tested it, but we need a third party to independantly verify so I know what I'm publishing there is as correct as it can be.
mod6: I see, we just have a bit different view of the thing. I only wanna send stuff in that I can pretty much stand behind.
asciilifeform: when they sign it
asciilifeform: normally folks say why they're signing something
mod6: <@asciilifeform> doesn't imply endorsement << ok. i was just under the impression that's excatly what it meant.
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mod6: There are some very far reaching effects of the patches applied in these build logs. They appear to "work", but as of yet, they're basically untested.
decimation: mthreat explained his hosting guy forgot to pay the bills
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 i dun particularly care one way or the other. the discussion's in teh logs which atm can't be searched it seems.
mod6: sign the patches before pulling?
mircea_popescu: <mod6> I have created a simple build script << you may consider signing some of the things you pull
trinque: perhaps the flag enables/disables that
mod6: statically built. but I recall going through this in march how we needed that in there... just maybe overly paranoid.
asciilifeform: mod6: have you made any experiment to learn whether binary changes at all when this flag is set ?
asciilifeform: mod6: rather peculiar that you had to add in 'no-shared' - witness that there are no shared deps in my executable (attached to 'stator' post on ml)
cazalla: i think the tim swanson story more than makes up for it ag3nt_zer0
trinque: 'tis the custom
decimation: ag3nt_zer0: was already done, look in the logs
ag3nt_zer0: at the time I was all zigzagged about Trilema and so I asked him if he had heard of it... he scanned the files that the eye accesses when it looks down/right and there was a spark... he said "what's that?"... I said "dunno, run by this guy Mircea something or other"... he said "oh, that guy doesnt like me"... later he asked for my number and when he pulled out his phone I saw his name was Tim Swanson