trinque: in particular what I like about the approach of just editing the db is it doesn't try to say this is a "customer" action or an "order" or so on
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the "small teams and discipline" approach
ben_vulpes: we just kinda hand-wave and say "yeah man there are users, and this is how we diddle them in the database in this particular way"
ben_vulpes: the weakness is that we don't use database constraints, which is where the oop model shines a bit
trinque: I think that's the right way.
trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db
trinque: otherwise you have two ever-diverging data models to constantly sync up
trinque: with a chick I hooked up with on the trip
trinque: heh, I did the same on a school trip's flight back from colorado
ben_vulpes: the funny thing about my stator is that i have a binary called bitcoind-7-11-patched-with-dumpblock
ben_vulpes: i for one have fondled and been fondled on many a flight with zero harrasment from either other passengers or flight staff
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation. << i can't figure for whom this is a problem
ben_vulpes: how boss do you battle the rsi?
ben_vulpes: the rsi is setting in
ben_vulpes: best thing to possibly have on the screen are gpg-grams and cpp
mircea_popescu: sign em too then
ben_vulpes: <trinque> another website I've snapped up in entirety << have you pared it down to just text yet?
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> In other news, apparently parts of the US can make actual cheese << what hellhole do you live in that doesn't have fresh cheese maiden made at every monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday and sunday farmer's market?
ben_vulpes: pay in cash for a 15% discount. half of the savings from not paying the tax man to the person paying, half to the merchant.
ben_vulpes: * danielpbarron prefers to use cash whereever possible so as to give merchant the option of keeping it "under the table" << where i come we call this the "cascadian discount"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no photo card - no enter. << that this is enforced at yours is very indicative of the differences between our corners of usistan
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ag3nt_zer0: splendid, went to a kind of groceries shop where pr0l3z are not permitted (costs a hundy/yr to enter) << the things you find entertaining, i swear
ben_vulpes: <phf> ben_vulpes: eventually, aha. i'm not even sure yet that i can repeat the process. for example part of build process is a script that chooses between gcc-4.6 and clang based on whether it's .c or .mm. the fact that the result links i think is a miracle << bwahahahahahaha
pete_dushenski: https://www.google.ca/finance?q=SHA%3A000001&ei=4eKlVbnyNcmpmAGzyoXICw << aha ! magicked back into existence... and down a quick 1% for a total of -3.65% on the day.
pete_dushenski: indonesia'd seem to be another by this definition
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:18; asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice
assbot: Logged on 19-06-2014 03:26:01; asciilifeform: japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the 'factories better' thing is the specific item i meant by 'an india'
asciilifeform: to round this off, in as far as i understand, india is the last remaining 'india'.
asciilifeform: they'll reset to pashtun mode
pete_dushenski: let europeans starve and they'll reset alright
asciilifeform: (notice that no one is building factories there)
asciilifeform: there is a common misconception that collapse followed by sufficiently-many generations of starvation and abject degradation can 'reset' and get you a new 'india' in place of a worn-out, 'consumerized' husk
pete_dushenski: "A flight attendant testified Lander and Jason George Chase, a co-accused, used a coat to cover their laps to fondle each other." << on air canada flight. both 'criminals' now under house arrest and/or probation.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: notice the basic dynamic, of 'indias' being a non-renewable resource.
pete_dushenski: of course, the ever-convenient nyse 'glitch'
pete_dushenski: fuck, no wonder even 'foxconn' is getting the hell outta dodge and moving 1 mn workers to india
pete_dushenski: "Roman Dahl @dahlroman 2m2 minutes ago #Chinese GDP beats the estm. 7% Y/Y vs 6.8%; Shanghai -2.17%; 24% of firms in trading halt."
pete_dushenski: and i can't seem to source an explanation for the bloody thing
asciilifeform: i actually have no idea what their colours were prior.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: bah, get out. there's a recipe for stock market accounting and sse is playing games.
pete_dushenski: "hey u guise, i have a capital idea ! mebbe no one will notice that we've inflated trillion of worthless rmb into our 'markets' if we change the colours of the stop lights at the intersection !"
asciilifeform: what next, complain about the blue traffic lights in japan ?
pete_dushenski: http://www.sse.com.cn/ << bwahaha the bleeding idiots have green-coloured losses and red-coloured gains on their stock ticker !
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: I am guessing not in the way that you might be about to tell me?
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: examine the premises. for instance, ever wonder why the obsession with berlin wall ?
pete_dushenski: cazalla: if it makes you feel better, it's the same story in vancouver.
asciilifeform: as in the 'berlin wall' example above.
asciilifeform: like any industrial-strength chumpamatic, usg-history typically leads you to 'conclude'... the very premises of the syllogism behind the conclusions.
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: when you build mental world out of usg's 'legos', don't be surprised if you find yourself reaching their 'recommended' conclusions.
ag3nt_zer0: with a mild speculative inference that it was instrumental in inspiring the geramns to topple the wall
pete_dushenski: the one that got away (tm)
asciilifeform: have been pissing and moaning about it through their maxint mouthpiece orchestra ever since.
ag3nt_zer0: forgot the documentary but it was about the guy who shot the tank man video... and how that video barely made it out
pete_dushenski: that it's already in the logs... i dun really give a shit about ag3nt_zer0's hormones !
ag3nt_zer0: yeah the accounts by the reporters in the hotel of the sounds of the bones and skulls being crushed kind of got my endocrines goin
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:12; asciilifeform: btw the chinese have scholars, of 'soviet collapse studies,' and some of their output is rather interesting and educational
asciilifeform: possibly others
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2014 05:09:14; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i believe it is in the logz
pete_dushenski: i sorta doubt that many 18-20 year olds today are up on chinese 'democratic' history from before they were born
asciilifeform: of 'it' or the western lies ?
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pete_dushenski: then he had the audacity to brag about it http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/dream-come-true-ex-waterloo-region-police-officer-mockingly-thanks-them-for-paid-suspension
mthreat: search is back up. I'll be moving it to another server soon.
pete_dushenski: on the canadian side of the world of skewed incentives, this waterloo police officer plead guilty for breach of trust and was paid $350k over the next 3 years to golf and suntan.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: reminiscent of the cn reply to wester whiners re: 'tiananmen incident.' which was 'over here, we don't have total control like you, public opinion matters, ergo seditionists not tolerated. and we don't stock riot gear either, we're a poor country. they knew they signed up to crunch under tanks'
pete_dushenski: pretty lulzy way to operate a 'market' but hey, you don't mess with the emperor over there
pete_dushenski: guessing the federalis stepped in again to make sure that 'confidence is restored' or some such
pete_dushenski: shanghai composite was on track for another losing day and now it's, well, FLATLINED
ag3nt_zer0: danielpbarron: is that your booklist? I would be happy to see your list, the ones that cater to or inform your self-identification as a religious thinker, if you ever have the inclination to share...
trinque: another website I've snapped up in entirety
decimation: "But they didn't. They gave to scientocracy. Now, they need to figure out how to patronize science - or there will be no science. Just scientific Bondo, sanded to perfection and painted with meticulous care."
decimation: The basic problem is that the robber-barons of Silicon Valley, unlike their Victorian forebears, do not realize that, if they want all this science, they will actually have to pay for it - themselves. Instead, they look at their tax forms and think: I gave at the office."
trinque: I've got a 2tb I can dd all the drives to
trinque: however I do find mention of these model HP servers being donated
trinque: cannot find a single mention on the web for geb2.kernel.org
trinque: as if to drive the point home, some fucking drunk bum is hollering
asciilifeform: if anything, the turdalicious computer systems we have today are a consequence of cheap labour.
trinque: I'd much rather automate things than have help
asciilifeform: this is one of the ways i differ from mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: would almost rather cook own dinner, and not have to deal with derps in any capacity.
decimation: they could be human macros
asciilifeform: what do i need the derps for ?
BingoBoingo: Anyone as of yet spot my OpenBSD 0.7-ish build in the wild. Returns version 0.7.3.9 for the time being
asciilifeform: building new things on it? even if usg were not getting in the way? not so appealing imho
asciilifeform: quite possibly others - do
asciilifeform: (firms that actually go under, will often leave intact 'fossils' of themselves)
decimation: asciilifeform: lol they don't wipe drives?
trinque: got 8 scsi drives though, so maybe there are goods to be found
trinque: though it's been wiped by the owner in between me and kernel.org
mod6: <+trinque> if the seller is to be believed, this is the old kernel.org server... LOL?! << wat srsly?
trinque: alright, so how do we find the govt-grade malware embedded in this thing's mobo?
asciilifeform: decimation: there's no shortage of this kind of thing, as i understand
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: it wasn't especially viable then. and after adoption as official usg policy in a mildly perverted form, i can't think of who might voluntarily work with such a thing today
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: do you still consider the bitcoin-p option as viable?
decimation: same with the 'satoshi horde'
BingoBoingo: So Iran nuclear deal... Only actual impact is Persian agricultural goods pricing Israeli agricultural goods out of the market?
decimation: asciilifeform: all that early btc is probably offset by the big chunk that has been lost forever
asciilifeform: one might suppose that its existence is 'priced into the market' somehow.
asciilifeform: this bomb is there, whether anyone wants to talk about it or not, and may - or may not - explode one day
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: the 'atomic bomb' is - now, as when i wrote the piece- -- the mega-holdings under a sole key, which never move.
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: could be wrong but I thought he was addressing the tx volume with that statement
decimation: asciilifeform: also somewhat little known about costco amex: you can walk in with your annual refund check and they will pay you in cash
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it is lulzy. I've heard from some small time merchants that amex dropped their transaction fees below visa/mc
asciilifeform: decimation: this is doubly lulzy because amex is the 'pay to play' cc issuer
decimation: re: costco amex < yeah I posted about this awhile ago. turns out amex didn't want to 'make a deal' to keep costco, and instead steer their business toward servicing poor folks at walmart
BingoBoingo: <ag3nt_zer0> was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address? << at the time likely in part
ag3nt_zer0: was Vorhees correct in his assertion that the study was "fatally flawed" for not accounting for numerous "ewallets" being strung to one address?
BingoBoingo: <mats> dunno, i see plenty of lumpens coming in for rx and alcohol << Rules for this happen on a state-by-state basis. Normally the "shame" keeps all but saviest lumps out
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys'
ag3nt_zer0: Today I was looking at LoperOS and one of the things I read was his article about the kill switch... searched the logs for commentary but didn't find too much. But I thought maybe I had read something addressing it on Trilema... is that right?
mats: asciilifeform: is there a repository on the internets somewhere for windows symbol files (not Windows Symbol Server)?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the terms of chargebacks more often
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the operative distinction is 'no chargebacks', i think
asciilifeform: iirc they also take old-fashioned money.
mats: that sounds dicey. wouldn't want to input a PIN at their POS
mod6: so i've got the two binaries recompiled, not stripped. not exactly sure what i'm looking for in here. doing a diff with objdump.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mats: aha. nope << Other cards still work if processed as "debit" rather than "credit"
asciilifeform: mats: the clerk informed me (when collecting my hundy) that their amex thing will vanish next year.
mats: and i hear their entire back-end is mostly paper
mats: never seen one like that. but i have been tempted to get a 'costco amex', the rates are good and amex has historically had great customer service
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 gcc is the basic compiler. your kernel was compiled in it.
ag3nt_zer0: I was following then got all paranoid and been stuck on researching what GCC is, whether or not it can compromise system, and whether this is all an elaborate scam to get my non-existent bitcoins
mircea_popescu: the romania version requires you to have a corp registered
asciilifeform: mats: the one i went to had a bouncer.
mats: they can't exclude plebs for those particular purchases i believe
mircea_popescu: iirc he updated the wiki to reflect his experience.
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: php got Eulora running on OSX... did he do anything different than is on the wiki?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'costco', for u.s. folks. sorta like a meatspace 'amazon prime' << used to shop at their equiv in ro. "selgros".
asciilifeform: mats: i kinda wonder how many subscribers are paying not to see the lumpens
asciilifeform: but point taken. there is actually a mega-lulzy ru film about a captive ru derp used as 'computermaster' by chechens
mircea_popescu: <mats> NATO would also presumably be happy to sell their enemies ammo for the right price << god knows romania has been doing it for a decade straight.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, the few captive "us trainers" they have work exactly like the mongols'
mircea_popescu: of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own. << in no way did they do this. they merely went around with a horde of gypsies, chinese, etc. heck, the siege of byzantium used a hungarian cannonmaster.
asciilifeform: but these have somewhat different flavours in different places.
mircea_popescu: iirc the term was lumpen
asciilifeform: and the accoutrements that go with them (blatantly recycled food, tabloids, lottery crapolade, etc)
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: the 'offensively poor' as described in mircea_popescu's articles.
mircea_popescu: in other news : i am satisfied that the 363730 fork and the 363730-363736 dead chain contain nothing remarkable from a "hey guise they switched out the blokchanin" perspective. so i'm letting this rest.
mircea_popescu: cazalla ah the mystery unravels, they wanted the guy as ceo so as to buy some legitimacy for something stupid they want to do.
ag3nt_zer0: yes but the entertsinment!
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: the (present-day) west's academitardia is trolling. ignore the lot of'em.
ag3nt_zer0: "While Western mathematicians often claim Western mathematics is universal, anti-racist mathematics and ethnomathematics scholars share the assumption that any given mathematical understanding or practice is a product of a particular culture.[4] Scholars such as C. K. Raju have advocated multicultural mathematics, in which different cultures can develop different forms of mathematics."
ag3nt_zer0: cause for concern? or just another wiggle-the-sore-tooth obsession? http://psychology.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-racist_mathematics
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i specifically want to see what ends up in the log
asciilifeform: every single movement of the bank is reported.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 01:55:19; trinque: asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels
BingoBoingo: And all the pederasty that comes with it
trinque: I can toss a 50 into the goodwill box anonymously, but not BTC
mats: for the folks cashing btc, prob
trinque: well I'm not sure, is there a sort of AML/KYC equivalent for donations?
mats: plenty of middlemen to be had for the right price as far as i can see
gribble: Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=USD to see list of orders for this item.
trinque: or CAD or whatever they like best
trinque: asciilifeform: could always accept them directly then turn into USD through the usual channels
gribble: Error: Too many orders to list on IRC. Visit the web order book, http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?eitherthing=BTC to see list of orders for this item.
asciilifeform: the one that's just about entirely dead, as far as my naked eye can see ?
asciilifeform: ru newz media are kinda lulzy in re: 'isis': invariably prefix with 'islamic army, the organization banned in our country, has...'
mats: no reason why they can't subsist on ru supply chain indefinitely
asciilifeform: on their own.
asciilifeform: wake me up when the untermenschen can produce so much as one brass shell.
BingoBoingo: ISIS takes state of the art fighting weapons and USia spends Imperial treasure on F-35 redefining state of the art as shittier
trinque: that's not really fair, they are also whatever's left of saddam's army
trinque: these are a bunch of twitter-posting imbeciles with AKs
trinque: and then held down a vast empire with a sane legal system and so on
trinque: state of the art fighting techniques too
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-07-2015#1201563 << mongols were able to produce the state-of-art weapons of their time (at their prime, that is), on their own.
mod6: BingoBoingo: i was kinda thinkin the same thing, could be a market for someone to just ship a drive ready to go.
asciilifeform: i suppose 'combustible things must combust' is ideology then.
assbot: Logged on 14-07-2015 22:54:23; pete_dushenski: instead they have -dozens- of fiefdoms, all pledging allegiance to an ideology and a black flag
trinque: we (which is to say they) used it at an old shitty php job
asciilifeform lulz at the memory of how never saw 'cpanel' anywhere until mircea_popescu's
BingoBoingo: Most of these services seem to have a daily charge for troubleshooting with their KVM adapters
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eth0, dc in, usb for the telekvm...
asciilifeform: can get hosting on an old p3 (equiv. of fastest g4) for less than the quoted price
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (the jacks have to line up with the holes, no?) Only eth0 jack matters... Arts&Crafts
asciilifeform: not sure where you'd get a mobo that fits in the original case without looking odd
asciilifeform: or rather, an addr in apple's registered range
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you do the switcheroo, make sure thing has ethernet mac addr from the old unit
BingoBoingo: Eh, they let you supply own box.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I'm looking at services like this http://macstadium.com/colo and a few other options that go down to $25-26, but so far this one has the least objectional terms
asciilifeform: but as far as those go, this is probably the size/mass/cost champ
asciilifeform: you will not be connecting a tele-kvm to this thing - unless your colo has the serial port kind
asciilifeform: one of the few x86 boxes still manufactured, which supports this
asciilifeform: i esp. like the 100% open bios
BingoBoingo: I might start mailing some of these people about whenther they take machines smaller than mac mini at mac mini rate
asciilifeform: (cpu soldered down on all of them)
asciilifeform: they also sell smaller x86 boards,
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: probably physically smallest amd x86-64 is the 'pcengines' linked in earlier thread
trinque: seems otherwise like a good snag of amd hardware
asciilifeform: best neuter is for it not to be there.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo et al: that's approx. the correct price for a machine of that type and vintage, if one buys from a local scrap dealer
BingoBoingo: Voat just has growing pains. The fat hate movement isn't the only thing carrying Voat anymore.
cazalla: "Neither Alexis nor I created reddit to be a bastion of free speech, but rather as a place where open and honest discussion can happen: These are very complicated issues, and we are putting a lot of thought into it." bit of a contradiction eh
trinque: waiting on the guy's response
BingoBoingo: trinque: Pull the trigger
trinque: seems like a decent box for bitcoin dev and other projects
BingoBoingo: At least Bob Beck's financial crowd. Thing was saved by the forces of good, then the forces of Microshit came with ongoing whatever the fuck
mircea_popescu: they've decided they wanna hang out with wintel and the rest of the "good guys in their own mind" club
gribble: The public burning of Bob Beck on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/the-public-burning-of-bob-beck>; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options on Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options>; "I saw, and was saddened." on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/i-saw-and-was-saddened>
trinque: "Sorry for any inconvenience, this is just how these things work." << lol
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: ;;later tell pete_dushenski I've enjoyed when they do.
pete_dushenski: mebbe chinese come in to rape the blondies and suck up the minerals, maybe they can't be bothered and they leave the peoples formerly known as 'americans' to reoganise themselves
pete_dushenski: federal gov may 'fall over' but the only thing most people will notice is how much lighter the weight on their shoulders is
trinque: usistan may fall over on its own before they come of age
pete_dushenski: it's one thing for isis to whip their compatriots into shape, it'd be an order of magnitude more resource intensive to bother with us.istan.
pete_dushenski: well as long as you don't move the middle east, you can probably get by where you are, even without the ginormous walls.