punkman: trinque: did you write the services in go?
trinque: rather than strap myself to golang I'm going to jettison it at some point and reimplement the services model in CL
trinque: I like that it's built as a core server and the services are independent of that
trinque: the deed transactions spend to an address generated using the sha256 of the bundle as the private key
trinque: good for the kid
shinohai: And Xstians are always bandying about how persecuted they are: http://www.rt.com/usa/311664-school-child-lawsuit-god/
shinohai: Like half of the people in Tennessee
mircea_popescu: yeha guy's out there.
mircea_popescu: in other news, make-up does wonders http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls0lwkdqCj1qciaxlo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
mircea_popescu: "The shootout with the police was highly exaggerated and in fact no one was even hit by a bullet, let alone harmed by one. The police knew me and I don't believe their hearts were truly in the shootout, as it is not included in the official report. When I ran out of ammunition, I surrendered quietly and the officers and my self had a cigarette together and joked about my bad aim."
mircea_popescu: "John McAfee, the eccentric antivirus pioneer, was arrested in Tennessee for driving under the influence of drugs and possessing a handgun while intoxicated."
mircea_popescu: who ever came up with the idea that "it's ok to corrupt permanent storage if volatile ram dies"....
mircea_popescu: which results in a situation where killed bitcoinds ruin their blockchain because well... can't make sense of it anymore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, yeah. my detachdb forces proper flushing of db ops to disk such that the disk is always consistent. this was (mostly) the behaviour pre 6. the power rangers came up with a retarded scheme where they held about half of txn in memory in an ad hoic cache
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2014#925307 << apparently in the logz, even.
asciilifeform: es from the log files to the blkindex.dat file for maximum compatibility, but makes shutdown much slower. Note that the wallet.dat file is always detached, and versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown.'
asciilifeform: 'The Berkeley DB database library stores data in both .dat and log files, so the database is always in a consistent state, even in case of power failure or other sudden shutdown. The format of the .dat files is portable between different versions of Berkeley DB, but the log files are not even minor version differences may have incompatible log files. The -detachdb option moves any pending chang
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: your earlier observation 'moar nodes!' - must determine if enemy is able to wedge on demand. because then it does not particularly matter how many of us there are.
mircea_popescu: indicative of the braindamage bad conventional notation bakes into thought
mircea_popescu: they basically counted halves. half, half-once (1 1/2) half-twice etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically : the sestertius was really "semis-tertius", or, half-third.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: btw my current hypothesis is that recent phoundation turds balk at node which refuses to BIP-14
asciilifeform not relishing the perspective of attempting building and running that thing
asciilifeform: could've sworn there was half again as much of it last i looked
mircea_popescu: not sure the hassle's worth it, but one could.
asciilifeform finally broke down and went to look for the mythical 'RejectNonSatanicNode()' in enemy https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/src . what a shitnest !
asciilifeform: one can always 'eatblock' the thing.
mircea_popescu: note that when i stood up an ancient chain, to assuage any conceivable doubts about blockchain contiguity from day one, i let people actually filter it in through the normal process, rather than torrent it.
mircea_popescu: in fact they are exactly iudentical.
mircea_popescu: neither is a torrented blockchain
mircea_popescu: shinohai not really. either you verify or you don't. if you don't, might as well not bother storing a blockchain of unknown origion and run spv. if you do, you do.
asciilifeform: anyway i discover to my surprise that the thing has been synced all this time.
mircea_popescu: maybe rsync the bdb
asciilifeform: punkman: the wallet has never been fired
mircea_popescu: one of the lulziest things in nature is watching voiceovered shows in romanian. beats any conceivable mst3k or anything.
mircea_popescu: the battle dwarves do 133 damage. "piticii de batalie fac 133 stricaciune".
mircea_popescu: anyway. the general philosophy of teh interwebs was you know, fault tolerance since day i. "just stand up more nodes" is how one could summarize the internets.
asciilifeform: i have a working hypothesis concerning something other than leprous backbone, but it needs moar test
mircea_popescu: this doesn't preclude the foregoing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didntcha have the same issue on own node ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, leaving aside the ever present possibility of extremely obscure bug resulting from our changes, it'd be a backbone issue.
mircea_popescu: i really don't have a strong opinion on it, but i am pretty certain it's not them making you unreachable.
mircea_popescu: re above thread. and re nat thread, traditionally it's been regarded as "good for bitcoin" to allow consumer folk connect ot the network.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd prefer this in the form of "running X bit of b-a infrastructure". otherwise...
asciilifeform: everywhere these remoras, who want to play without playing
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, dulap ~STILL~ blackholed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and iirc he's this dour german engineer fella stuck in northeast usa somewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he was talking about the failure-to-deallocate thing. (and slept through the threads where the hypothetical structure of a sane mempool was discussed
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:59; decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 04:46:16; asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227427 << strangely, that article doesn't read "russia is acting like a mature adult and is ignoring our idiot child tantrums re "embargo". instead, they graciously allow us to use infrastructure we can't afford, for being poor, the consequence of having been stuck in idiot child mode for decades now"
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 22:39:05; ascii_field: 'Welcome to regulated America, where once fabulous consumer inventions like refrigerators, freezers, washing machines, and dishwashers have been reduced to a barely functioning state. The reasons are always the same: 1) phosphorous-free detergent, 2) a fetish with saving water, 3) weaker motors that use less electricity, 4) more tepid water due to low default settings on hot water heaters, and 5) reduce
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-08-2015#1226593 <<< i dunno about you guys but when i was a renter, i had a commando 450 i would use to replace the water saving shower head at every single place i let and would reaffix it at the end of the lease
BingoBoingo: And nobody rocks the cock like Krista Now
BingoBoingo: Lord Humungus sets the terms
decimation waiting for the "ITC" to issue a "general warrant" for bitcoin packets crossing us border
asciilifeform: the folks who pick the former over the latter - get darwined, like the spv morons are now in the process of;
asciilifeform: at a certain point, the only real use of mining will be collect tx fees
decimation: asciilifeform: say you have the 'fee maximizing' software written
decimation: not unless they can also sell mining equipment, not
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe they use stolen bunker oil in nigera to power jungle mining farm
decimation: asciilifeform: well, they might not 'spv' if they had a node network from which they could draw juicy fees
asciilifeform: likewise, for 99% of them it would be rational to never mine at all
asciilifeform: yet they do.
decimation: as opposed to the users to pay the nodes for services of questionable value (if it transmits, why care?)
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem the most 'rational' for the miners to pay for access to the best nodes
asciilifeform: i can find 'nice' food on the forest floor.
decimation: well, that was what made sense to me originally too, but then there was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-07-2015#1206573
asciilifeform: (the most lucrative-per-byte tx-en)
decimation: yes but I mean the fees would be collected directly by the node-owner, not paid via miner
asciilifeform: well yes, they pay out of band
asciilifeform: and miners pay to access the cream of tx cache
decimation: BingoBoingo: needs more than miner fee, ideally some kind of 'bolt-on' mechanism for 'paying for a spot in the tx queue'
trinque: n6: my recommendation for a newb is to go with the first one.
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2015 15:20:21; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt && http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
decimation: asciilifeform: I know mircea would like to push it off, but really I don't see a solution to the memory problem without devising some kind of priority mechanism for txns
BingoBoingo: decimation: Solution is less thalidomide to malloc() mother during pregnancy
trinque: n6: mod6's guide would take you through a process which will familiarize you with several of the most-used knobs and switches
decimation: asciilifeform: that thread doesn't state specifically, but I assume you are thinking the same (fixed buffer?)
asciilifeform: decimation: see the thread with mircea_popescu
decimation: asciilifeform: oh, thinking about the 'mapTransactions' problem, I think the only real solution is a finite buffer with some kind of fifo
assbot: NASA Must Pay Russia $490 Million Because Congress Won't Fund Trips to Space | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BOjV )
asciilifeform: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/nasa-must-pay-russia-490-million-because-congress-wont-fund-trips-to-space << lulz
trinque: python stuff you may need to easy_install or pip install them
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll see if I can get dentist borther to chime in on the braces, but low hopes for that.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Something will likely appear this week. Moar noise on this frequency than just the braces.
n6: asciilifeform: I tried that but my lack of understanding prevented me from getting it working. went the docs still coulnd't get anywhere.
decimation: "The ITC has the power to issue an “exclusion order” that directs US Customs and Border Protection to seize the goods. It also has a cease-and-desist power that can be directed at third parties. Violating the cease and desist order can result in a penalty of “$100,000 or twice the domestic value of the articles,” whichever is greater. "
assbot: An Undead SOPA Is Hiding Inside an Extremely Boring Case About Invisible Braces | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4BJfX )
decimation: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/an-undead-sopa-is-hiding-inside-an-extremely-boring-case-about-invisible-braces < "Bizarrely, no physical goods came over the US border in this case. Rather, the digital file was transported over the internet. Last year, the ITC determined that it had the legal authority, under a tariff law from 1930, to stop the transmission of infringing digital files. "
BingoBoingo: "The Marrakesh Express has arrived!" Best way to open a game of "dopewars"
n6: How can I get the requirments for http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 installed on gentoo?
BingoBoingo: If otherwise Laundered from Boeing by Maytag
asciilifeform: '"There were real issues with the operational wisdom of the program, and those who were to conduct the mission were sure that whomever thought this up was using bad hemp."'
asciilifeform: wouldn't be surprised if it is the same part.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.' << Guess the gold/brass ratio in the spring
decimation: I thought the british gave that to tom cruise
asciilifeform: ehind. Army field manuals warned that it was "not possible to state that [the timers] will fire at a specific time," so SADM teams were trained to predict the general window in which the weapon would go off.'
asciilifeform: 'Probably to make the weapon resistant to electromagnetic pulses from any nearby nuclear explosions, as one might expect at the outset of war with the Soviets, the AEC had fashioned the SADM largely devoid of electronics. Instead, the device relied on two mechanical timers that, unfortunately, became less accurate the longer they were set for, potentially going off as early as eight minutes ahead of schedule or as many as 13 b
mircea_popescu: notably, these aren't carried by a grunt.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense. << That sort of precision seems to demand people's backs
asciilifeform: (described su intel knowing precisely where they were)
asciilifeform: unless rezun lovingly fabricated the very elaborate description of the thing in his autobio
asciilifeform: the solid state - deployed
asciilifeform: the live chickens (yes) variant, not deployed
mircea_popescu: i guess they're not all idiots up at staff office.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the us got beaten to shit about 5000 times since ww2, or roughly speaking "in every engagement to date".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one thing these are definitely known to have been used for is burial (connected to phone lines, yes!) at useful places in west germany: dams, power stations, factories
mircea_popescu: and don't pester me with "surgical precision". the last thing a defeated and runniung away force ca do is make sense.
asciilifeform: not certain the place would have looked much different..
mircea_popescu: imagine if the week after wehrmacht broke its cock in stalingrad
decimation: by men who have a pretty good hint that they ain't coming home
BingoBoingo: Backpack nuke is referred to as Chicken and Waffles because dark meat makes dents in the world
asciilifeform: llow that to happen,'" and his men agreed to share the code in the event of a real mission.' << l0lz
asciilifeform: 'In addition, the two-man rule, which to this day dictates that no individual service member have the ability to arm a nuclear weapon, demanded that Green Light teams divide the code that unlocked the cover plate. But that could present a challenge if the wrong man got killed en route to the target. "Here you were with this hunk of sh-- in your bag and no good place to go," Flavin said. "So we said, 'Eh, I don't think we can a
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not the idea. the idea is... so tanks go around, now you're stuck with some units caught between a crater fgulla radioactive water and enemy spear units
decimation: but it still might trigger the 'ok let's start tossing nukes' scenario
asciilifeform: 'But when Green Light team member Ken Richter began interviewing potential candidates, he said, not everyone was as enthusiastic: "I had a lot of people that I interviewed for our team. Once they found out what the mission was, they said, 'No, thanks. I'd rather go back to Vietnam.' "'
mircea_popescu: the only thing that'll do is increase your casualties.
decimation: mircea_popescu: why not? gotta stop the tanks somehow?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But who wears the pack?
asciilifeform: 'The Army's countermobility field manual taught soldiers to use ADMs for "stream cratering," in which atomic explosions near small waterways would "form a temporary dam, create a lake, cause overbank flooding, and produce an effective water obstacle" for enemy forces.'
assbot: When elite US forces strapped nukes to their backs - U.S. - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4AXjk )
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20140302041146/http://www.stripes.com/news/us/when-elite-us-forces-strapped-nukes-to-their-backs-1.266168 << them
decimation: australia is famously nazi at their border
decimation: oh you did the 'global entry' thing?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah supposedly the machines are replacing people on us border points
BingoBoingo just had the most amazing sandwich. Tomatoes slices and bread
asciilifeform: out of flying cattle car and to the street in ~10 min.
decimation: apparently there are special teams of usg employees for 'processing' such important folks
mircea_popescu: so far ignoring it worked pretty well. us, zimbabwe and other places that exist for illustrative purposes only.
asciilifeform: personally i wouldn't waste so much as one private on the place. glass it.
asciilifeform: (when they shoot a white fella it's generally 5th-10th page newz, as linked earlier)
mircea_popescu: i remember learning with some amusement about the kindergarten games usians play in airports
mircea_popescu: i've never been in one of these "lockdown" bullshit things
asciilifeform: (i did have to reseat the boards when took it home)
trinque: at any rate, I never suffered under the delusion that the folks around me were any measure of sane
trinque: but the thing was intended to have "no corners to hide in"
trinque: (I went to another due to a magnet program)
trinque: asciilifeform: the highschool in my hometown was designed by a prison architect
asciilifeform: 'The investigation is ongoing and there is no confirmation as to whether the incident involved was a shooting at all.'
assbot: Backfire or Gunfire? Authorities continue to piece together inve - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOuBrJ )
asciilifeform: http://www.wsmv.com/story/29714858/backfire-or-gunfire-authorities-continue-to-piece-together-investigation << linked from same birdcage liner as earlier
asciilifeform: i did attend a school which as a result of the latter forbade... backpacks.
trinque: orcs at this school were fully grown in terms of their fucking, fighting and stealing capacity
trinque: depends on the gang situation in your town
decimation: as a kid in the early 90's I don't remember this being a thing
trinque: being bussed to a school full of black kids eating each other, more or less
asciilifeform: across the street
decimation: the media often uses phrases like that
asciilifeform: 'The Global Mall, which is located next to the theater, was placed on lock down during the active shooter situation. The Ford Ice Center was also placed on lock down and remained closed for the rest of the day.'
decimation: because the sks server will keep your revoked key forever
n6: Should have been more careful with my keys this seems like user error on my end rather then somehting wrong with the bot. Why can't I just revoke the subkey with the sec key from the main key?
decimation: how is it possible for someone else to add a subkey? isn't it signed by the main key?
assbot: Police: Suspect reported dead at Nashville area theater - WSMV Channel 4 ... ( http://bit.ly/1IOtOqA )
BingoBoingo: Can't even pretend to ISIS http://www.wsmv.com/story/29717483/active-shooter-reported-at-antioch-theater
mircea_popescu: well so then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i entirely expect they will
mircea_popescu: anyway i think assbot should always use the main not some random subkey
asciilifeform: '...I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'
mircea_popescu: so then why can't you decrypot wioth it ?
n6: But its a subkey of the 05D01131
n6: Would revoking the key fix this?
n6: The bot is giving me a otp for a subkey 3594E367, that I can't decrypt but its telling me Key 05D01131 is what its sending me im at a loss for how to fix this can anyone help?
decimation: right now the only folks who 'can do' have 1 mn loc C++ shit driving a massive complex custom chip
mircea_popescu: and yes, i would ghuess the whole pile as it stands atm is just about 1mn loc
mircea_popescu: if it isn't, something's fundamentally broken in the entire "forth anything" claims.
mircea_popescu: if this forth thing is so great, a program to interact with eulora server and convey the results to a human should be make-able.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> man wants a challenge, man insists it's lalala-freefoprm and whatnot. fine. << 1830's were worst decade in US for this reason. Mississippi River sandbars used to be ideal for this purpose. Then state lines drawn in water.
decimation: "you find yourself in a maze of twist passages, all the same"
mircea_popescu: at some point the hot talk has to be backed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for all i care he can put it in narrative form on the fly.
mircea_popescu: as long as the point is conveyed, it is conveyed.
asciilifeform: a la the 'ascii starwars' ?
asciilifeform: (not that one cannot do this, per se, in a forth of some description. but most of the bulk would consist of glue)
mircea_popescu: "But I'm game. Give me a problem with 1,000,000 lines of C. But don't expect me to read the C, I couldn't. And don't think I'll have to write 10,000 lines of Forth. Just give me the specs of the problem, and documentation of the interface."
decimation: there's mention of having to write some code 'single threaded' instead of using all the cores on the chip
decimation: there does appear to be some problems with his toolchain with 'scaling' to that many cores
asciilifeform: defeats the purpose of self existing.
asciilifeform: decimation: imho this is not the correct application for forth, and moore went profoundly wrong in going that way
asciilifeform: plenty of heavy industrial (as in water-in-the-tap, not google et al whores) customers
asciilifeform: though i will add that moore operated for decades as a successful consultant, a la the pdp emulator fella
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers << This is why if misdemeanor if not dismissed at hearing I intend to fire lawyer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most of the settlement, if indeed there was one and it is not disinfo - went, as always and without exception it does, to the bloodsuckers
mircea_popescu: not really realised much of the settlement, from what i gather, but nevertheless, people love to dream.
asciilifeform: decimation: aha, and used the money to buy atomic dirigible
asciilifeform: not saying that this brings in the breath of satan, but in point of fact moore achieved escape from this orbit
asciilifeform: also gotta point out that the $redacted analogue ic on the rng was prolly baked in a cn fab
mircea_popescu: not the contention.
asciilifeform: and, though i do not, the folks who built my machines - did
mircea_popescu: but you know, just because you like a girl's tits is no cause to think she's got the worlds best hairdo.
mircea_popescu: i don't either, really.
asciilifeform: and otherpeoplescode-free
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: love him or hate, his toolchain is winblows and x86 - free, from the ore to the register.
mircea_popescu: rather than some sort of technical accomplishment per se.
mircea_popescu: and ALSO, i buy the theory that the principal reason chuck moore is mentioned by name is a successful eight digit settlement iwth intel
decimation: "The only reason I did it was THAT COLORFORTH JUST DIDN'T RUN ON THE THREE MACHINES I HAD AVAILABLE." < my experience too
asciilifeform: the two extra bitz are for parity, wat
mircea_popescu: "Then the 18 bits of the GA144. Don't be impressed. It is a stupid design error. At the time 18 bits static memory chips where in fashion." << i happen top buy this btw.
asciilifeform: (the animal survives largely in... chinese farms. where their cock meat is harvested, no shit.)
decimation: I was reading another article somewhere - thier point was that if trophy-hunting whites stop coming to hunt lions because of this bullshit, they are not going to keep the wildlife reserves
mircea_popescu: imagine, the retards.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing << Last time I went to St Louis zoo they had balding malnourished lions. Surprised local bangers didn't take them as bait for training their pitbulls.
asciilifeform: decimation: doubt that it's as complicated as all that. probably just straight mental mapping of the lion in the washington zoo, or even in some cartoon, to the real thing
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1141372 < ascii perhaps they secretly fantasize about being wounded/killed by the very lions they wish to 'save'
mircea_popescu: the malnourished, inept population of the coast towns is so fucking ridiculous it'd be rather easy.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 02:54:26; decimation: yes, note that about 95% of the 'satire' is approximately 'those rednecks are so backward/stupid/racsis/dumb'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1226951 << very valid point. where's the actual satire ?
decimation: I suggest anyone who is against lion-hunting: go help guard the lions (without weapons) in their territory. when the lion eats your leg as you sleep, you will know he is doing it with appreciation
BingoBoingo: decimation: My guess is they melt for giant kitteh forgetting they killed all of their giant fittehs
decimation: BingoBoingo: sure, but the problem remains: why are distant strangers on the lion's side?
trinque: asciilifeform: is this one on page 13 with the american flag on a cloud about "yankees think they can own everything" or something?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Any decent Rhodesian tribe is going to kill the lion
decimation: BingoBoingo: it's kinda like how the zimbabwaen tribes are now gonna have stories about why white people root for the lions that eat them
BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, in general the rednecks don't give a fuck (rightly so) << Not just lack of giving a fuck, lack of need to give a fuck
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 02:42:31; asciilifeform: that's still 2x the market rate for a chimp who clicks a mouse to run 'EnCase'
mircea_popescu: wtf is it they do again ?
asciilifeform: trinque: the article on that page concerns a sapper
mircea_popescu: " As such, 5 of the 56 field offices operated by the FBI currently lack a computer scientist assigned to that office's Cyber Task Force."
decimation: this reminds me of that 'anti-nazi' article I found in the frankfurter zeitung
trinque: it is interesting to see that defeating the nazis was such a point of pride even in 85
asciilifeform: 'remember, paul, 1940?' 'sure! we were in france! took everything that fit in our hands!' 'ah, i still had hands then!' 'and remember when we ran from stalingrad?' 'ah, i still had legs then!'