trinque: n6: the guide you followed did not account at all for EFI
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/cbe3d27397c539e03f18d110f71c6347/tumblr_nldrmedQ7f1rwaupfo1_r1_500.gif
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> aegis can't even track that many, because "nobody could have foreseen how useless this shit is" << I honestly have no idea what the limit is becasue seekrits.
mircea_popescu: it can churn out 100k of the damned things. there's no defending against missiles if "missiles" means, six digit moving items
mircea_popescu: no idea why the aussies are trying to go after the proved-to-fail system (ships) instead of outright copying the chiense (missile batteries) but hey.
mats: carrier groups are formidable, sure, but DoD is well aware of their vulnerability
mircea_popescu: mats the south china sea is a headache innit now.
trinque: n6: switching to "CSM" mode in the efi settings
trinque: n6: if going down the efi route, you will have to take instruction from https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB2#UEFI_with_GPT
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: ;;later tell mod6 auto.sh successfully installed v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (boost downloaded automagically this run). will put together a recounting of steps and all, and move on to patching my way to stator.
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is where it's sorta hard to mask the essential complexity if the thing without making decisions for people
n6: no i'm going to stick with the guide and do grub
trinque: well did you go with lilo? because that would then be elilo
n6: only the first 3 times.
mircea_popescu: that's your problem thenm
n6: I found it.. thanks for the help.
BingoBoingo imagines if president trump is that Trilema.com will complain more about the president being a nigger
n6: trinque: this guide went much better then yesterday with aws
trinque: n6: my bad if I was demotivating you; I thought sticking to the guide strictly was the best way through
n6: the callgraph one?
n6: I'm still running into the same error here "grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory."
trinque: he had asked for the gentoo guide.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the equivalent would be going to pre-childbearing classes and asking them how many are goddesses.
phf_mobile: i have a mac os x patch, but as i recall that's the only change required, and since i don't understand the implications, i didn't post it. it works when building with clang, but needs investigation why duplicate function to begin with
phf_mobile: n6: ben_vulpes: still having an issue getting "bitcoin/src/serialize.h:963:10: error: class member cannot be redeclared" even with your callgraph.sh, what am I missing? << you have to comment out either one of the versions of void insert function, it's either one at 963 or 951. they are identical, but i'm sure they are there for some legacy type signature reasons
BingoBoingo: Remember, in the future camels made detroit broke
decimation: they had a separate army research program
decimation: "On May 19, 1945, a Nazi submarine was captured and discovered to be delivering 1,200 pounds of uranium oxide to the Japanese military. "
assbot: New evidence of Japan's effort to build atom bomb at the end of WWII - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1MUAFRg )
BingoBoingo: n6: If open BSD best learning opportunity is installing "release" and then building "stable"
n6: Hoping 3rd time is the charm
BingoBoingo: DNS is fucked. Apparently the following link works for some mongoloids http://gawker.com|gawker.com/
BingoBoingo: The democratic primary debates will surely be a bigger farce though, mostly because to my knowledge none have been scheduled
BingoBoingo: I actually though am not inclined to blame Trump for his current place in USian electoral politics. Sometimes my nonegenarian Grandpa wants the yard cut short Friday so it looks good over the weekend. Other weeks, he tries to talk me into tilling the yard because the $10 of wheat he might grow in a year would be one appointment's copay at the audiologist.
BingoBoingo: Glenn if I see you tweeting any more good jokes instead of putting them here you will forfeit the iTunes gift card you were promised for this liveblog appearance"
BingoBoingo amazed Caity Weaver had the integrity to leave Gawker and Gawker lacked the fortitude to drop Sam Biddle
decimation: I'm sure he enrages the bureaucrats that nominally work for obama
decimation: greenwald is a 'frenemy' of the democrats
BingoBoingo: Guess Gawker Media's special guest for their debate live blawg (hint: it was Obummer's lapdog Glenn Greenwald, citizen$maxint)
BingoBoingo did not know would have been news. Already did that. If knew was news would have blogged it for the traffic.
decimation: but clitler would immediately sell out to the highest bidder, doesn't even really pretend otherwise
BingoBoingo: There isn't one.
decimation: I don't get the lefty case for clitler
BingoBoingo: They want drama(period)
BingoBoingo: decimation: Maybe? Generally they hope a democrat wins, but this is where they news channels make their money for the next four years.
BingoBoingo pretty sure on the off chance he got the nomination Graham would come out of the closet to steal Clitler votes
BingoBoingo: Now I might be drunk, but it seems like the "news" business wants a Carly v. Trump GOP primary
BingoBoingo: decimation: He is now, but if he gets the nomination...
BingoBoingo: Trump just might end up the Grand Ole Party's nominee.
BingoBoingo: Now USia isn't fucked because a candidate for executive and sitting senator said that. It is fucked because of all US lab states abroad Egypt seems the most appropriate to appeal to the crowds?
BingoBoingo: USia is fucked... Ted Cruz: "Let me contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist. He said well gosh the crusades, the inquisitions ... We need a president that shows the courage that Egypts President al-Sissi dida Muslimwhen he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world."
assbot: Carly Fiorina: The former Hewlett Packard CEO won the kids' table debate. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdDk6s )
BingoBoingo: Also apparently WaPo wants the person who killed HP to kill USia http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/06/carly_fiorina_the_former_hewlett_packard_ceo_won_the_kids_table_debate.html
n6: asciilifeform: How do I even find out what kernel i'm running to put into the config?
n6: Feel like it might really hurt to fail another time.
n6: asciilifeform: Still don't understand, lots of the stuff in this conf I don't know, yet
BingoBoingo: This init system is indeed very simple: "sinit exposes a set of operations via a FIFO. Normally this FIFO resides at '/var/run/sinit.fifo'. There are two commands currently supported, 'reboot' and 'poweroff'."
assbot: Another Init System: Sinit - The Suckless Init System - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iuh4lo )
asciilifeform: or is one expected to read the code
asciilifeform: a true victory of who mircea_popescu called 'UXers' if ever there was one.
trinque: asciilifeform: ah derp I forgot the guide uses grub2
trinque: doesn't lilo need to eat the kernel each time?
n6: I think its this version of gentoo its the same error as last time this time with all spelling right
asciilifeform: trinque: and grub you also reconfigure each time you change the kernel
trinque: n6: what's the snag?
trinque: lilo you're gonna have to run each time you change the kernel or end up unbootable
n6: I need to use lilo in place of grub here http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-uclibc-hardened-guide-wFullExamples.txt
n6: Seems to be failing in the same spot again this time with everything done right.
BingoBoingo: The curse set upon us by Bell Labs is wildly different things running as the same names all because on some superficial level the function they try to do is "the same"
trinque: happens all the time
trinque: could be it used to have a firm meaning then squished into "uh I dunno man, some shell script like thing"
BingoBoingo: I guess plan9 shell could be named rc the same way apache, nginx, and 500 other things are named rc
BingoBoingo: I'm not sure rc is jsut the plan9 shell. On Openbsd I see those two letter attached to all kinds of scripts and Openrc is apparently best Gentoo init.
trinque: interesting, rc is the plan9 shell right?
BingoBoingo: trinque: For that werc seems fine. Almsot entirely static site plus comment form is the challenge
BingoBoingo: trinque: One of these days Imma make my own blog platform. Like wordpress but less shitty. Give it 20 years
trinque: oh yeah? go to the portland django girls meetup and ask them how many of them are programmers
BingoBoingo: "I may be biased, but I tend to find a much lower tendency among female programmers to be dishonest about their skills, and thus do not say they know C++ when they are smart enough to realize that that would be a lie for all but perhaps 5 people on this planet. Erik Naggum"
mircea_popescu: the definitive scene of war.
mircea_popescu: that thing when his adjutant saves him from impact and he pats the guy on the shoulder and spits...
mircea_popescu: i think wiedling is my favourite character in the entire fucking story.
mircea_popescu: "There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
ben_vulpes: hm i can't find the dulap dns record in search.bitcoin-assets.com
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything about 'basic' depends on to which facet of the thing 'basic' is aimed at
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. all of them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i realized while sitting in car that the awk doesn't handle formation of new files, or removal. will post tweaked version later.
pete_dushenski: eagles on the mind, it seems.
mircea_popescu: <n6> I have made a mess of this gentoo thing. << dun worry, you;re not the first one
pete_dushenski: "People working with you when you're a benevolent dictator loved and admired by all don't rebel because they like working with you. Not because they can't. They have to be able to, otherwise they're just as much dead weight, a set of paraplegic "sidekicks" in wheelchairs you have to push around. Incredible how distorted the ant's perception of the eagle's dare is"
pete_dushenski: "This is clearly meant to be a derogatory term here despite wealth and prominent position being sine qua non for any sort of meaningful cultural perspective and despite the baseless implication that the world can be more accurately described from the worm’s perspective than the eagle’s."
asciilifeform: is there any english speaker alive who doesn't remember that one
mircea_popescu: shit check that out, alf's quite the poetic library
BingoBoingo: n6: If you want to follow the already trodden path set out by that guide sure? Why not let your freak flag fly?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski haha but why the eagle
n6: Now when i'm trying to boot from the usb it gets me to 2nd loading green just has red and yellow dots, and seems to stall
asciilifeform: 'But whether the Eagles obey us, Or we go to the Ravens--alone, I'd sooner be Lalage's lover Than sit on an Emperor's throne!'
trinque: I will admit to having drooled over the propaganda art of several such now-dead WoTs
pete_dushenski: it's hard enough to get people to test therealbitcoin, i'm not holding my breath that anyone will rise to the challenge here
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 23:44:17; n6: I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:49:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see also https://web.archive.org/web/20130516060430/http://www.thelocal.se/7305/
trinque: the flag in make.conf was concerning which of several modules would be built
n6: still giving me the error
jurov: the GRUB_PLATFORMS looks like compile-time setting
n6: I built the turd to see if it might work, but it still wont let me grub anything.
kakobrekla thought you were at building the turd
n6: Yes still in the live environment.
n6: this is the only install I have.
n6: done all the steps after but still wont let me leave
n6: mean the /etc/portage/make.conf is where i messed up
n6: I fixed it in the make file and redid steps after but still giving me that
n6: I'm at the end of http://thebitcoin.foundation/gentoo-stage3-amd64-nomultilib-guide.txt but I put the wrong line for GRUB_PLATFORMS="pc" put GRUB_PLATFORM="pc" so now its telliing me grub2-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. how can I fix this?
ascii_field: ~verifying~ left - for now - to the alert reader.
ascii_field: gives the desired behaviour.
decimation: I asked one of my coworkers if I was dour, he confirmed it was the case.
mircea_popescu: (to confirm, originalyl, meant to sign, like we do with the patches.)
mircea_popescu: was expectiong either jay or silent bob at any turn
mircea_popescu: and yes, that's four ~significant~ digits there.
mircea_popescu: in other news, i looked since curious nao, trilema grew 66.7536% yoy 2013/2014 and 53.1315% yoy 2014/2015. IT IS SLOWING DOWN!
punkman: revoke subkeys every now and then, nobody will notice
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell n6 nevermind, figured it out in the end.
mircea_popescu: my key is actually the main.
kakobrekla: and the decision on which subkey apparently depends on implementation, not on openpgp standard, from link earlier.
punkman: (and yes RSA keys can do both, it's just a flag gpg sets on the keys)
punkman: for folks that might still be baffled: gpg creates a master sign-only key that is used to sign sub keys. when you encrypt something for the main fingerprint, gpg chooses an encryption subkey.
kakobrekla: or add another working subkey ?
kakobrekla: if the gpg falls back
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu it doesnt seem to be broken key cause the thing doesnt work on other peoples keys as well
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: kakobrekla: why did you expect something different from the last command in that paste?
mircea_popescu: no, the pubkey is broken
kakobrekla: i get fucking the same?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the key is broken apparently ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if the system only contains public keys, then it can be safely used to verify signatures made by the respective private keys.
mircea_popescu: to doubt it stands for any other. consequently, any system that automatically decrypts, or automatically signs, is a hole not a point of security.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228030 << to expound on this for the log readership : it is not trivial but definitely feasible to cause any running implementation of asymmetric cryptography to leak key bits if it is possible to direct encrypted matter at it in an automatic fashion and have live access to the results somehow. this theoretical fact is practically verified for pgp, and there's no grounds
mircea_popescu: shinohai if you care to make a proposition i'll consider it, but otherwise what is this ? "At 25 Kaczynski became the youngest assistant professor ever to be hired by the University of California, Berkeley" ? i'm not in the demo.
shinohai: Some of his stuff was truly out there, but I admire his abilities in maths.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1228005 << for the record i fail to see any genius. this might be just because i'm a dour old prune, so don't mind me.
mircea_popescu: this is the most mindblowing thing i heard this week.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 21:02:17; pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227960 << don't forget http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=dancing_man aka "throw parties for random fat people that didn't ask for a party". libertardism is not ALL negative you know, stop depicting it in a negative light you biased son of a hitler you!
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:57:37; pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227951 << ahahaha. was obviously getting in the way of UXability.
assbot: MemoryDealers comments on Roger Ver on Twitter: "...Let's raise the block size limit." ... ( http://bit.ly/1K5W04U )
davout: roger ver delivers, again https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fw74a/roger_ver_on_twitter_lets_raise_the_block_size/cttakac
mircea_popescu: the idea being that ml + antecedents <=> versioning system that works sanely.
davout: as long as it's possible to have a tool to work on the patchset it essentially reduces to the same thing, which the only thing I personally care about
trinque: with the antecedent named, seems fine
ascii_field: ~can~ have other representations. but for engraving in stone, 'diff -uNr a b' plz.
ascii_field: it means that i will not look at nor will ask anyone else to look at any other representation
davout: ascii_field: extract them all if you really insist on having a canonical representation you can frame and hang on your wall i guess
davout: so basically the toolset reduces to:
davout: yeah, that's the point
ascii_field: speaking of signing, rather than checking
davout: ascii_field: if you could have a separate pgptron for checking sigs, and the ability to manually insert a signed patch into it?
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 14:26:15; mircea_popescu: so : you wanna contribute, use this and that markup, then rest is done by itself.
pete_dushenski: of course, this isn't the os space we live in
pete_dushenski: shinohai within the context of your propostion, fighting against forces of nature makes little sense.
BingoBoingo: "Note that the status of the bug was changed from "RESOLVED INVALID" to "RESOLVED FIXED" in 2014-03-20. Probably because as well as I know Ulrich currently doesn't work in Red Hat and doesn't have any commit access. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lib.glibc.alpha/19088"
pete_dushenski: sorta like bitcoin, that's what there is.
shinohai: If anyone can think outside the box ....
pete_dushenski: shinohai no see because ted could see a different world than the one he was offered.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo hyperlink to that article missed the 'a'
pete_dushenski: ascii_field but you're right. this is the sane approach
ascii_field: then no
kakobrekla: hm, anyone ever used this 'exclamation mark' trick to specify the key with which to encrypt with before?
pete_dushenski: ascii_field because i'm a sucker for punishment and i fail to see the alternative in this case
ascii_field: (notice, when i post binaries, they are not for running - certainly not on a computer... but for static analysis)
pete_dushenski: it would just be the end of computing as we know it if anyone had 2 months, maybe even 2 years! to actually learn the ins and outs of a program
pete_dushenski: it's much better if you're always grappling with the superficial changes that the devs on high release every goddam monday
pete_dushenski: and that's really no way to live in the modern age, no is it.
pete_dushenski: then they wouldn't have time for mob media outrage and they'd miss out on the opportunity to put dentists out of work
pete_dushenski: god forbid anyone actually become accustomed to the tools of their craft and, y'know, improve at their craft !
pete_dushenski: because hey, everyone should just get with the program and use the latest shiniest most califragilistically stupendous apps and oses coming out of everyone's bungholes
pete_dushenski: because obstruction is the most important part of diddling old software
shinohai: Because sbtraction is the most important part of maths
pete_dushenski: because maybe that'll make them more secure and trustworthy or something
pete_dushenski: after finding a discrepancy between the downloaded file (firefox 29) and the listed checksum two months ago, they responded by removing the checksums on all files !
trinque: bahahah, that's about as good as the monkey fucking a frog
punkman: is the dolphin using a headless fish as a fucktoy?
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:43:02; assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227880 << anyway, this imo should be sufficient proof that "gay" is a fashion label, being used for political gain by unscrupulous operators but otherwise perfectly unrelated with anything substantial
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 19:05:00; punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-08-2015#1227877 <>< in which case the tidy profits are not from mining
mircea_popescu: you know, by the solrodar guy that actually did it.
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 20:04:16; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg
n6: mircea_popescu: I still working on getting http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1202737 working but I noticed you have an open bounty (http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958) still. someone linked the done work already(http://cascadianhacker.com/bitcoin/callgraph/bitcoin-dot.svg) can I collect?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the problem is that dumb speaks to two different things.
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b87c2816a835bd58b67c84fe28c4d6d0/tumblr_mzdfcezjIC1rgintpo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: no suicide because they're not actually competent enough to do it, for the most part.
mircea_popescu: but yes, tis true. hardly any teen is sure of their anything. you get the choice to either force them into a role, and thus get ballet dancers, olympic athletes, women, men, depression and suicide
punkman: it rolls of the tongue
jurov_now: hardly any teen is sure of their orientation
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Maybe pregnancy made them gay?
assbot: Gay teens have higher pregnancy rates than their straight peers - StarTribune.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1UqXUEu )
BingoBoingo: http://www.startribune.com/gay-teens-have-higher-pregnancy-rates-than-their-straight-peers/320842991/
punkman: I suspect the hand-to-mouth miners were only profitable for some very short periods of time
punkman: trinque, maybe not net gainz *now*, but people that can afford to wait for the price to be right should make some tidy profits
shinohai: I mainly purchased them as curiousity.
trinque: I'm always curious whether people had a net gain mining
trinque: ever get any coin out of them?
shinohai: I was cleaning out my computer junk, found these two old gridseeds I bought like 2 years ago
assbot: Black Crown Initiate - The Wreckage Of Stars (2014) Full Album - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1HtOq21 )
trinque: hm, then ass-goblins
ben_vulpes: guys i dont understand the first thing about computers
trinque: ben_vulpes: some shells cache the bins in in $PATH
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> BingoBoingo: ~noble~ << I prefer the dynamite guy.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It will likely get dropped in again with other actual Bitcoin news.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: any other things i should try before backing up my blockchain and resyncing?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think I wrote that up already. Just didn't call them nobel nodes.
BingoBoingo: I think alf may be onto something with the BIP 14 user agent strings. If nodes are claiming maxint protocol version and not serving a user-agent string to turd nodes.
ben_vulpes: i think my route forward is to back up the existing blockchain, and resync from one of the noble nodes
mircea_popescu: too many diesel cunts in the world.
punkman: "Well, in my first six movies I was just "Krysta." You know, but then in order to differentiate myself from the 76 other Krystas in the business, I added the "Now." Well, it's all about now, 2008, not next week, not tomorrow. If you wanna fuck me, you can fuck me... now."
ascii_field: (it was to be something like our hypothetical radio relay. but he got belized before it got any traction.)
assbot: Logged on 06-08-2015 15:33:07; mircea_popescu: honestly i'm surprised he's not more publicised. seems just the man to lead a "bitcoin resurection effort" "cryptosecure phone" or whatever other such usg-nonsense
trinque: it might be a simple fix to get it to reconnect better; I just lack the interest to cram yet another c-like language into my head