asciilifeform: not without a much better reason than 'pgp breathes through its mouth'
mircea_popescu: either i've been very stupid for many years or you're just being nuts over here.
mircea_popescu: so by this theory, we should have one phone network for the network and another phone network for the control codes ?
asciilifeform: now you can't sha512sum on the file, have to put it through a cutter
asciilifeform: because motherfucking unix philosophy.
mircea_popescu: looky : when i signed a piece of paper i nulled out the empty spaces.
asciilifeform: with 'escaped dashes', the whole shit soup?
asciilifeform: of the doc!!?!??!!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hash in the doc is not a bad idea, eh ?
mircea_popescu: you can admire all the extra bezzle it forced microsoft & all to expend.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin changes everything, of course, and outside the heaped plate of humilation lasagna it allowed me to forcefeed bob beck,
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re <BingoBoingo> shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated <<< do not imagine that ms, yandex et all did not know same things i know. obviously trhey do, but they also had hoped they're somehow favoured sons. because "Terrorists will never do that, tr
assbot: Logged on 26-06-2015 22:59:59; jurov: mod6 they append date and whatnot to data prior to hashing anyway
jurov: or do the same as with diff - add hash of content into every clearsigned doc
mircea_popescu: we sadly have been overtaken by events in this point. i'd have much preferred to start work on this after the decanter work for "new pgp" was done.
asciilifeform: it is possible if one does something jurovish and requires, e.g., sigs to include what they are sigs for in the filename or the like
mircea_popescu: wait. for every patch in the line, right ?
mircea_popescu: why do you think this is possible and if you have any reason to think so why aren't you fixing bitcoin then
asciilifeform: because no other state.
asciilifeform currently racking brain over how to make the thing verify in better than O(N^2)
mircea_popescu: "signatures offer the means to meaning, and for they who can listen, the enunciation of truth."
mircea_popescu really likes the name V
asciilifeform: mod6: nice script and it will do until i'm done with the actual mechanism
mircea_popescu: incidentally, jurov and anyone else who might care : i will be wiping the archive of that hacker team thing. if you want copies of anything etc get it now.
mircea_popescu: "oh this failed project is so exciting - look, it even overtook last quarter's failed project on the failed projects list!!11"
mircea_popescu: they can go fight eth for doge supremacy or w/e it is retards do.
mircea_popescu: anyway. nobody cares. in the most literal sense of that word.
mircea_popescu: why am i reading some tard's pretense, no matter how he thinks he's "hooked it" into the events.
asciilifeform: 'Congratulations Gavin and Mike on completing the patch to support larger block sizes. Although we all have ideological disagreements from time to time, two fundamental values of the Bitcoin community are freedom of choice and transparency of communication. Your work represents a big step in returning the power over Bitcoin's future back to the community where it belongs.' << l0l!!
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the loltrons,
asciilifeform: ideally someone who isn't me has also verified the antecedents
asciilifeform: (with the proviso that he has read, grasped, each)
asciilifeform: can submit sigs for them
asciilifeform: then everyone who did what mod6 did and verified that the universe of patches in 'orchestra' is actually identical to the previously published set but for the antecedent hashes,
asciilifeform: sig can be for existing patch in the list
mircea_popescu: it works for 19yos, it is not worth the hassle with 29yos.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 17:14:43; mircea_popescu: she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238664 << wai wat, i thought mircea_popescu's hobby was to pick this wildlife up from the streets and reformat it
asciilifeform: and is also in the log somewhere.
asciilifeform: folks were demanding a thing which you can ask 'find me the longest chain signed by mod6' etc
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 16:54:38; mod6: asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and 'unknown soldier' is what ? << there is no doubt that at least one soldier somewhere existed, right ? this is not abstract but synthetic, like a statue to an apple. "which apple".
mod6: now, I need to just validate these hashes.
mod6: asciilifeform: ok cool! rel1.patch and rel2-pre.patch do apply cleanly to all of the existing patches
mircea_popescu: punkman> "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece << word. i was rather impressed with what "intensive agriculture" meant down there.
mircea_popescu: she got so heartbroken she deleted her whatever profile etc. but wtf am i to do, i won't hang out with some chick that actually thinks "the people bla bla". just like that chick won't hang out with some dude that's either short or thinks the boo boo about fatties. cuz she can.
mircea_popescu: obviously that in that context, her choices are between depression and socialist ideas. so understandably, she had a lot of notions about "the people" and "the good".
mircea_popescu: the civil corps or maybe run for office as she ages. like you know, hillary.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the dudes that women hound are just as retarded. take me for instance : there's a shitton of opinions woman can't hold. recently met a very sweet girl, smart, decent figure. she's an argentine, so her only real chance to eat is to work for the government - there's really no productive activity going on here, much like it were say detroit. so she was some derpy "social worker" and aiming to either seniorize into
mircea_popescu: oh ok then
mircea_popescu: well in this case he's some dude, speaking enligsh on a gadget. so... yeah, he's the sort that begs for sex.
BingoBoingo: Oh, you though people who posted caps like that to reddit/voad/twatter would be anything other than derpy siding salesmen?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> https://i.imgur.com/TWL7uf7.png << the reason HE can't have "his own opinions" is simply that he's hounding her. just like used car, insurance and aluminum sides salesmen can't have their own opinions.
mod6: Sounds like from your email, that's pretty much the plan...
mod6: asciilifeform: Are you planning on posting each patch (that we've since included in rel1, rel2) in a separate email to the list with a detached sig and included sha512?
mod6: Meanwhile, now I'm gonna see if I can figure out this new versioning email. The hard part is going to be having to verify everything posted, and re-writing all of our documentation.
mod6: So, if anyone wants to try out these automated cucumber tests on v0.5.4-TEST2 w/rotor ; I have some recipes that work on: ubuntu 10.04, deb6/7/8 and gentoo. Just send me a PM and I'll work with you on it.
shinohai: cucumber.io can thank me for the marketing tip later
mod6: <+shinohai> ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^ << ahhaha
asciilifeform: i just love these gloriously educated folks who carry on pretending we don't exist.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238595 << when boiling the proverbial frog, when it gets cooked enough you can just turn up the heat to whatever. srsly, they included a keylogger and admitted to it. why should they not also rape you in every other possible hole, and drill new ones as desired ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238564 << when i get to shoot the alarm clock. and never buy a new one.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2015#1238532 << what i'd like to know is what became of the famous yanomamo tribe. last i heard, they traded a load of animal skins for a crate of shotguns, and that was the last anybody heard of'em..
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 05:58:54; mircea_popescu: <trinque> this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.
assbot: Logged on 15-08-2015 05:54:33; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes where's the bot?
shinohai: I was rather shocked tbh. reddit has come out w/pitchferks
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I personally think this is the same process that slowly lead even Thermos to denounce Gavin, just... once enough time had passed to make MP espoused sanity seem original to the uninitiated
BingoBoingo: Oh, yet another party copying MP http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150815113053&mode=expanded&count=1
shinohai: There goes like half of backpage
Vexual: youll need to take other precuations
punkman: "Some California farmers have turned to drip irrigation to reduce their water use." << ah welcome to state of the art in 1970 greece
punkman: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/how-california-is-winning-the-drought.html
Vexual: thats better than staying with a murderous tranny from the internet
Vexual: (other peoplew)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 the real cumber^
punkman: I expected titties but all I got was the babes derping about not being property
Vexual: also probably caused by all the explosions
Vexual: not much fucking either punkman
punkman: then again, not a lot of talking
punkman: slightly annoying that you can't hear anyone talk over all the explosions, unless you turn the volume way up
punkman: watched the new mad max flick yesterday, not too bad
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> 8chan-hosted-content-disappears-from-google-searches/ << there's an iron curtain now falling on teh internets, <me inserts rest of clinton speech>. it's us and them.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> this is what we will amount to absent intelligence, luck, etc << you will have quite the hill to conquer in showing the woman was bereft intelligence.
mircea_popescu: and yes it was a real character. the guy didn't write fiction. he just wrote well and so plenty of his ethnographic notations read more like blogposts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion of making statues for imaginary entities was not really well rooted.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that theory.
trinque: death is always there, staring at you
gernika: Saddest stories I read in school were Bridge to Terebithia, and Where the Red Fern Grows. Not comparable to Fefeleaga I don't think.
trinque: that freedom is why the story made me smile, horrible though it is
trinque: there is freedom in that, but I'm not ready to articulate it
trinque: but then too, my end is just like hers
trinque: and indeed, fefeleaga is the baseline
trinque: asciilifeform: first off, goddamn if I didn't just bellow laughter across the bar at "for piglet!"
asciilifeform: it is the other items on the menu which are experimental, high-tech oddities, like particle accelerator.
asciilifeform: and 'The impulse to cling to youth at all costs, to attempt to preserve your sexual attraction, to see even in middle age a future for yourself and not merely for your children, is a thing of recent growth and has only precariously established itself. It will probably disappear again when our standard of living drops and our birth-rate rises.'
asciilifeform: see mr.o, 'The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. After the age of about thirty they almost abandon the sense of being individuals at all and live chiefly for others, or are simply smothered under drudgery. But there is also the minority of gifted, willful people who are determined to live their own lives to the end'
asciilifeform: trinque: the thing about fefeleaga in my mind is that the stock off-the-shelf model of existence is a guaranteed suckfest.
asciilifeform: trinque: the mind that invents death ray and spins round, round, round with it, 'for piglet!'
trinque: and since such thoughts are usually associated with a sort of brutal perspective, let me ask: which is worse, the mind which accepts the harsh reality of existing or the one which struggles against it?
trinque: not a goddamn thing. as (*clears his throat*) MJK of Tool wrote, "The universe is hostile, so impersonal. Devour to survive; so it is, so it's always been."
trinque: relates imo to the Fefeleaga story
trinque: a guy I respect told me that one could maybe hope to change the world in one specific way, but that intending to change the world arbitrarily was the mark of hubris
asciilifeform: so extra-depressionified the story
asciilifeform: this is again reminiscent of 'grave of the fireflies', autobiographical animation, author's father - unlike protagonist's - came back from jp navy; author - did not starve in an underground station. but he WISHED that he had
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a soviet mega-statuelith of fefeleaga somewhere ?
asciilifeform: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Pomn%C3%ADk_Mary%C4%8Dky_Magdonov%C3%A9.jpg << mega-winner of a statue! betcha the kidz think the chick died as a partizan in ww2
asciilifeform: cazalla: if you have an existing stator, clean out the guts and use that.
cazalla: specifically "and fill distfiles with tarballs, etc. as before." is this just all the patches?
trinque: if the point about culture wasn't made well enough already...
asciilifeform interestingly, understands the spoken cz much quicker than written
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: http://i.imgur.com/LxfsCfc.jpg included in the photobook my missus and other folks bought from local play centre.. because that is what i always wanted, a photo of a photo of my son.. actually surprised they included a dvd minus watermarks all over the images
mod6: well... heh. I thought i'd get the chance to dive into your new email asciilifeform. But, guess it'll have to be tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im vaguely contemplating hiring an indiancandy to counter woe-shannonizer with the -1 * equivalent
asciilifeform: they get wakeup. just like i do.
trinque: nope, gotta pretend to work at least part of the day
cazalla: it already has over taken doge, only paycoin and that icelandic? coin has done so in the past
mircea_popescu wonders if asciilifeform has pre-made file with the woe me stuff, or generates them on the fly.
mircea_popescu: or whatever the scamcoin was before that.
cazalla: i am hoping ethereum over takes litecoin in fake market cap just as its first halving occurs for extra lulz and butthurts
asciilifeform: (or, more accurately, until the war)
trinque: either way, if you anticipate ethereum going the way of other altcoins (or worse, look at the complexity of the thing), he'll have to live with that on his name forever.
asciilifeform: the kind of pauper2prince described in chuck palahniuk's 'survivor'
trinque: burn it to the ground and make 'em watch
mircea_popescu: because the things that are get the flaw talk, and the things that aren't.... you wouldnt wanna fud some kids' imaginarium nao wouldja./
trinque: thank god that vaguely russian kid is here to nuke the status quo, or whatever it is
mircea_popescu: bitcoin OBVIOUSLY has flaws, unlike ethereum.
asciilifeform: despite being a fanless little thing the size of a stack of 5 inch floppies.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 56 connections each on dulap and zulag.
pete_dushenski: and the colonel sanders suit
mircea_popescu: wait, i thought it was the beard.
pete_dushenski: come and get us, because the window in which we pursued you closed when you turned 20.
pete_dushenski: "if i suck and can't have love and children and a successful husband, than neither can you !"
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how stage 1 is precisely there to prevent stage 2.
mircea_popescu: well don't blame stage 2 for the movements of stagr 1
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu certainly so that 'teh womenz' don't edit the rag. makes it a two-stage deployment.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of things of which i can't really name anything but hey, a lot of vague vulnerabilities are better than one specifically.
pete_dushenski: clear as the giant forehead on your face
pete_dushenski: they read 'metro'
mircea_popescu: well i mean, teh women didn't elect metro something as the avenue for de-barren-isation did they
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean... not like they voted for it.
wilbns: ethereum vs manhattan project in a nutshell
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDkhIK )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-26239 <-->https://twitter.com/paulpaschos glhf mongotron
pete_dushenski: http://qntra.net/2015/08/montreal-expo-postponed-for-lack-of-sponsors/#comment-41274 << i enjoyed this. a quick googling of 'coin4x' yields a highly active localbitcoins trader, though the '650' area code would indicate california, not quebec, so perhaps a different fella
pete_dushenski: having a masters in femtonism means that you're automagically skilled and whatnot, so being 'taken care of' is the ultimate insult to your intelligence and self-worth
pete_dushenski: because it's only twinks that wanna be taken care of now in this ever so progressive corner of the americas
pete_dushenski: because they're just not into that non-gay singles thing were straight men seek straigh womenz to take care of
pete_dushenski: since scoopbot_revived seems to have been asleep at the wheel earlier today : http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/of-trumpets-and-trombones/ http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/14/the-user-and-the-rotor/
trinque: jurov: I still can't change my settings on the ML. when I save them, it kicks me back to the password screen, then back to config from there, where it has the previous values
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000146.html << cool! i'll take a closer look at this tonight.
asciilifeform: also note that items like 'rotor', which are not mods of bitcoin proper, are not mentioned in the orchestra.
asciilifeform: and i will repeat that the output of this, is not at this exact moment very useful. the antecedent hashes are eaten by 'v'
asciilifeform: i in particular will feel more cheerful once some patient fella actually reproduces the exact thing i did here, using vdiff.sh
asciilifeform: before blessing or creaming pants or other expressions of joy.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000146.html
mircea_popescu: one wonders wtf they're studying.
mircea_popescu: in other news, femsupremacy. http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6jtoa3cyw1r0gngfo1_500.gif
ascii_field: when annointed usg buttbuddy - then yes.
ascii_field: 'My favourite is Retrievor – small GPS tracker. First version promised solar charging. They first stole photos from completely other products (mobile phone app was from real Chinese GPS tracker, while the schematic was from a completely different product). Then they skipped to Indiegogo, and had two additional campaigns, with slightly changed description. Almost 2 years later, no real product.'
cazalla: maybe it is the german and russian government which think that given all the content in /r/watchpeopledie is jacked from ogrishforum, bestgore, liveleak etc
mircea_popescu: how do you feed people if what you sell them has no food in it ?
cazalla: how does one preserve reddit in such countries if you remove access to the content people from those countries wish to access?
ascii_field: http://hackaday.com/2015/08/14/where-are-they-now-terrible-kickstarters (via diametric)
BingoBoingo: I've been to Superman's hometown though. They got a Casino a few years ago. Other than that like Cairo (pronounced Kay-roh) Das racis and the drop in steamboat traffic chased relevance away.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (speaking of which - there's a recent, very very bad french movie which nevertheless offers perhaps the best image of that girl. << NIkita
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I don't think baseball has been the american "thing" for a generator or more << Well "Latin American" thing still
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> ascii_field: baseball isn't the american sport, it's the american story. or something << Pastime
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> (never, oddly enough, baseball. which i grew up thinking of as ~the~ american sport) << Baseball fell out of favor with the public around the same time as Boxing and Handegg was in a lucky position to replace both. "Civilized" alternative to boxing "Exciting" alternative to baseball "Opportunity" for the oppressed youths.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (d'artagnan's origin is not coincidental, and the fact superman's not from the ozarks does not reflect too well on either the profundity or the perspectives of that culture) << Of Course. He is from Little Egypt, his statue is in Metropolis, Illinois.
mats: hard to tell, but the hands may suggest its a man, yes
trinque: and why don't they just own up to it honestly
assbot: Documents confirm Apple is building self-driving car | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1gHVp1G )
trinque: http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/14/apple-self-driving-car-project-titan-sooner-than-expected << what backwards mind desires *less* agency, I ask
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 20:10:36; assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:45:26; ascii_field: http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one
kakobrekla: would be interesting if you could use some surrounding infrastructure to get that signal further out.
assbot: Logged on 12-06-2015 21:45:26; ascii_field: http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest << the classic one
ascii_field: kakobrekla: i mean, the gsm freq part
phf: also explains soviet education sleight of hand around the subject, hmm
phf: hmm, ok i see your point, far the fuck out as it is
mircea_popescu: and short people with bent eyes of the far east
mircea_popescu: except, of course, transhumant tribes of the caucasus
phf: although there's a 1940s (?) soviet movie, where an american girl flees to soviet union, because she had a black baby, pursued by a capitalist who's trying to expose her. of course the predictable ending is everyone joins in a song "soviet russia, where all are accepted"
mircea_popescu: (there's a black girl in the french film i mentioned above - nobody cared. "wow seriously ?!" yes seriously, the french had chocolat before the usians had chocolate.
mircea_popescu: you know, the entyire skin color thing was never a major point in yurp.
phf: so the point is that aristocracy was already lost starting with 1743 reforms. presumably was brought to russia by peter's newly established bureaucrats
mircea_popescu: herp derp and really tell me more what the middle class thinks, it's so impossible for me to predict it.
mircea_popescu: "oh hitler was mean, because the british empire was ending anyway, and he should have jsut waited it out ; whereas oh lincoln was great, because southern slavery was ending anyway but he had the martial presence to not wait it out".
mircea_popescu: churchill "won it" and watch the uk have to beg bundesbank for rescue loans within the decade.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally terribly weakens the middle class case against hitler. "oh, he lost the war". sure. guess what, the war that was won hasn't been invented yet.
mircea_popescu: tried, failed, bury me over there.
mircea_popescu: general indication seems to be that he didn't care for the result either. that "apres moi le deluge" is very similar to socrates' "i have nothing to offer nor do i wish to offer anything in fine."
mircea_popescu: if we like or don't like the results - at least we know.
mircea_popescu: but the people whio did care thought - and i think today - it was worth a shot.
mircea_popescu: he didn't know at the time what he was saying. obviously. and perhaps didn't even care to find if what he said was or was not said before.
mircea_popescu: so yes, the french revolution is a "historical necessity". because a king at some point said so.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that the mob in the street invented anything or in any way created something... gimme a break. romanians for a while thought ceausescu was incredibly inventive in his stupidity. these being the folk too uncultured to know carol 2. in fact, the bootmaker was merely immitating, as best he could.
mircea_popescu: but the problem comes back again and again to what i told pete d that day we were discussing "systems" : you can not afford to insult the powerful.
mircea_popescu: the guillotine... minor point, and a necessity after thatanyway.
mircea_popescu: so the aristocrats were taken to versailles and circumcised.
mircea_popescu: not that the beatings stopped, but that luis hated his father, and decided he'll rule with a bureaucracy rather than have more of that shit around.
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt the man was motivated by greed, or at all comprehensible in the terms of the bourgeoisie.
mircea_popescu: but he definbitely excised a lot of revenge over the people that pointedly reminded him of his opwn parents.
mircea_popescu: talleyrand took a lot of money from the various german princes, yes. bribes ? maybe. to do what with them ? not like he had to buy any woman in paris anyway.
trinque: it seems rather healthy to have someone create problems for you which are out of your control
mircea_popescu: naked and shivering, hungry among the bare walls.