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(trilema) nubbins`: sure, so what's the process for me buying my shares directly from S.MG?
(trilema) nubbins`: "...to purchase a specified number of S.MG shares directly from MiniGame"
(trilema) nubbins`: but if "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant"... the IPO contradicts that, when it defines an SSW
(trilema) nubbins`: we're in full spring here, 15C yesterday
(trilema) nubbins`: that would make for a strange document indeed
(trilema) nubbins`: more accurate would be "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant", full stop
(trilema) nubbins`: ah, yes, i see
(trilema) nubbins`: this entire discussion is moot, but worth having nonetheless
(trilema) nubbins`: what's mpex? all i've got is a warrant that mentions S.MG
(trilema) nubbins`: ^ is MPEx considered a third party
(trilema) nubbins`: "S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant by or among third parties"
(trilema) nubbins`: one of the reasons why, yes
(trilema) nubbins`: sure, yes, unfortunately the analogy fails at this point
(trilema) nubbins`: i eat a meal at a restaurant, head to the cash register, "oh sorry we don't take cash"
(trilema) nubbins`: we're back to ex post facto. payment has a specific definition
(trilema) nubbins`: you say donation, they say payment.
(trilema) nubbins`: they've fulfilled the conditions of the SSW
(trilema) nubbins`: a warrant holder sends [y] BTC to said address
(trilema) nubbins`: even something as inocuous as "feel free to donate btc to S.MG for feature improvement at 1SmgFeaturesblah1234"
(trilema) nubbins`: suppose at some point down the road, S.MG happens to publish a BTC address that they control
(trilema) nubbins`: one side of the contract has been fulfilled
(trilema) nubbins`: suppose a warrant holder pays [y] BTC to S.MG, and then announces they don't have an mpex account
(trilema) nubbins`: back to SSW #3: "[PGP fingerprint] shall be issued [x] new S.MG shares upon payment of [y] BTC to S.MG"
(trilema) nubbins`: but that doesn't preclude a direct issuance of shares
(trilema) nubbins`: another venue, sure. i couldn't ask you to issue my shares on, say, uh... wait, are there even any play exchanges left?
(trilema) nubbins`: IPO section 3.2(b) offers 3 conditions for future share issuance; the first two conditions explicitly list MPEx as the venue, whereas the third, dealing with stock warrants, makes no mention of MPEx
(trilema) nubbins`: on the surface, these two statements appear to cut MPEx out of the picture altogether
(trilema) nubbins`: SSW #3: "S.MG will not process or administed any assignments of this Warrant by or among third parties"
(trilema) nubbins`: [SSWs] are numbered and GPG signed instruments which create the right for a beneficiary specified by GPG fingerprint to purchase a specified number of S.MG shares directly from MiniGame"
(trilema) nubbins`: ipo, section 1
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, not trying to be a pest, but there's a few points here that i think a dissection of would be interesting
(trilema) nubbins`: coffee or tea, sure
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, the text of the stock warrant and the ipo could be interpreted a few ways
(trilema) nubbins`: haha. too true. luckily there's no such recourse in btc land
(trilema) nubbins`: to perfect the analogy, consider the case where a gallon if milk is $4 and containers from the farmer cost $6
(trilema) nubbins`: nah, you can buy milk without a container. the farmer will happily squirt it into your mouth or on the ground
(trilema) nubbins`: they are indeed tied to fingerprints
(trilema) nubbins`: but it would seem that the requirement to purchase an account on mpex or a broker is an ex post facto condition
(trilema) nubbins`: well realistically i'm going to hold the warrant for a very long time
(trilema) nubbins`: sure, yeah
(trilema) nubbins`: and the stock warrant itself
(trilema) nubbins`: section 3.2 (b) of the IPO
(trilema) nubbins`: nothing like a client that crashes when pasting
(trilema) nubbins`: "Special Stock Warrants (abbreviated SSW) are numbered and GPG signed instruments which create the right for a beneficiary specified by GPG fingerprint to purchase a specified number of S.MG shares directly from MiniGame for a specified price, no earlier than a specified date."
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, there isn't much written regarding redemption, here are the few snippets i could find:
(trilema) nubbins`: holding cum != holding a baby, but yes
(trilema) nubbins`: one could in theory "hold" them as a pgp-signed doc stating ownership of said shares, although i'm not sure what sort of mess that would create
(trilema) nubbins`: ostensibly, sure
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm admittedly not an expert in the language of fiance, but as far as i can tell, having an mpex account is not a requirement for redeeming a stock warrant
(trilema) nubbins`: well i don't have an account, hence my wondering
(trilema) nubbins`: ah yes. not looking to redeem my stock warrant, just wondering what the process is
(trilema) nubbins`: i am indeed, and i'm looking for specifics :)
(trilema) nubbins`: not looking to do so at the moment, just curious
(trilema) nubbins`: don't think you have the answers i'm looking for, but sure: what's the process for redeeming one?
(trilema) nubbins`: well. at least one question, which will likely lead to some follow-up questions
(trilema) nubbins`: on an unrelated note, i had a couple questions about stock warrants
(trilema) nubbins`: nod, such are the times we live in
(trilema) nubbins`: the average set of parents handed off most of their responsibility long ago
(trilema) nubbins`: the old-timers here would call it "baker's fluff"
(trilema) nubbins`: nod, i can't eat it anymore
(trilema) nubbins`: given a choice between convenience and thrift, people choose the former
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, countless examples. home-baked bread is maybe 15-20% the cost of store-bought
(trilema) nubbins`: you can bring the collected oil to a garage
(trilema) nubbins`: its cheaper to change the oil filter in your car on your own
(trilema) nubbins`: beyond the average person's ability
(trilema) nubbins`: big box stores etc
(trilema) nubbins`: shrug, most common way to buy em over here
(trilema) nubbins`: nod, look at windows 8. everyone reviles it, then goes out and buys a new computer with it preinstalled
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: many had the opportunity to crush ebay, few put in more than a cursory effort
(trilema) nubbins`: KRS1: there's been a "Virtual Currency" category on ebay.ca for a while. They wait til you've typed out your item description to tell you that you can't list things in there yet.
(trilema) nubbins`: better get this day started
(trilema) nubbins`: krombacher wiezen being the current favourite
(trilema) nubbins`: past year or two, i've been drinking wheat beers almost exclusively
(trilema) nubbins`: nah, join us
(trilema) nubbins`: do enjoy the scattered pint of ale
(trilema) nubbins`: i can't get into porters or stouts
(trilema) nubbins`: are you a beer drinker at all?
(trilema) nubbins`: try to track down some iceberg vodka
(trilema) nubbins`: only in your books ;)
(trilema) nubbins`: almost all of the snow has melted
(trilema) nubbins`: it was 14c here today
(trilema) nubbins`: I'm trying to imagine a white kid wearing a shirt that says "Got land? Thank whitey"
(trilema) nubbins`: "This is racism," she said. "Canadians are really getting sick of the double-standard. No white kid could walk into a school with a shirt that says that in reverse."
(trilema) nubbins`: the third box was left smashed outside the store
(trilema) nubbins`: two of those boxes and fifteen of the empties were left where they fell, :(
(trilema) nubbins`: ("Jesus wept" is a popular mild oath here)
(trilema) nubbins`: i see what you did there!
(trilema) nubbins`: jesus wept
(trilema) nubbins`: FWIW those are empties
(trilema) nubbins`: apparently three dozen was too many to carry in his current state of inxotication
(trilema) nubbins`: so this happened earlier today: http://imgur.com/NfSJfko
(trilema) nubbins`: sorry i missed it, :(
(trilema) nubbins`: no doubt one of those shitheads trying to sell a cruise
(trilema) nubbins`: ah, haha, nevermind. got the spacing wrong. it was from florida
(trilema) nubbins`: odd, i just missed a telephone call from romania
(trilema) nubbins`: "hot cinnamon" is maybe my least favourite flavour in the world
(trilema) nubbins`: KRS1: fireball is low on my list
(trilema) nubbins`: ah hey, my s.mg stock warrant can be redeemed now!
(trilema) nubbins`: canadians really are polite, hey
(trilema) nubbins`: "Additional meetings between the school and leaders of the Star Blanket First Nation led to an understanding that Star's sweatshirt, and its message, were acceptable after all."
(trilema) nubbins`: feels > shields
(trilema) nubbins`: ermahgerd holm
(trilema) nubbins`: lelelelelel
(trilema) nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> like across her nose ?
(trilema) nubbins`: we use CA for adhering mesh to screen frames, i've glued tools to myself on occasion
(trilema) nubbins`: i think they only glue your poop chute when killing you
(trilema) nubbins`: best shit on the hands of the inserter
(trilema) nubbins`: now there's a definition i can work with
(trilema) nubbins`: apparently i'm considered a senior millennial
(trilema) nubbins`: ah, millennials are "generation y"
(trilema) nubbins`: a month ago, sharf thought bitcoin was worth $1300
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm not sure what a millennial is, offhand
(trilema) nubbins`: "I write about stock markets, art markets, millennials and their money"
(trilema) nubbins`: who don't really work for forbes, or have anything worth saying
(trilema) nubbins`: by people like "samantha sharf"
(trilema) nubbins`: worth noting that forbes.com/sites/* are just blogs
(trilema) nubbins`: interesting
(trilema) nubbins`: ystarnaud: people still hold AM1?
(trilema) nubbins`: you're all orange here, and i'm dark red
(trilema) nubbins`: FonziScheme: eyyyyyyy
(trilema) nubbins`: FonziScheme joined the chat room.
(trilema) nubbins`: house of cards ;(
(trilema) nubbins`: after once again disabling secureboot
(trilema) nubbins`: ah, okay, managed to get to the ubuntu desktop again
(trilema) nubbins`: 10-e020ca i guess, but i think that the "ca" just indicates country
(trilema) nubbins`: hp pavilion 10-e020
(trilema) nubbins`: the black screen thing seems fairly common
(trilema) nubbins`: thanks, almost at the end of my rope, but i can't let my poor mother use windows 8
(trilema) nubbins`: (not black, but off)
(trilema) nubbins`: i don't even get this far unless i add "nomodeset" to startup params. without that, the screen just turns off after a point
(trilema) nubbins`: hp pavilion 10-e020. google search doesn't turn up much.
(trilema) nubbins`: just no gui
(trilema) nubbins`: but like i say, tty1-6 available and responsive
(trilema) nubbins`: occasionally it halts at a different step -- like right now, at "Stopping log initial device creation [OK]"
(trilema) nubbins`: managed to boot into a liveusb install ONCE, have been unable to replicate this feat
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, disabled secureboot, disabled uefi
(trilema) nubbins`: bit outta my element here, been a while since i've had to dick around like this
(trilema) nubbins`: this is a brand new netbook, i suspect display driver issues
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, tried 12.04 as well, didn't have much luck there either
(trilema) nubbins`: tty1-6 offer command prompts
(trilema) nubbins`: hm, trying to run ubuntu from usb, gets as far as "Stopping enable remaining boot-time encrypted block devices [OK]" and stops
(trilema) nubbins`: the referendum to join canada was passed with a scant 52% voting yes
(trilema) nubbins`: nationalities that still exist tho?
(trilema) nubbins`: ha, too true
(trilema) nubbins`: fun fact, my grandmother was born a british citizen, never left her hometown, and died a canadian citizen
(trilema) nubbins`: old women holding mirrors up to riot police
(trilema) nubbins`: decimation: germany is doing just fine ;p
(trilema) nubbins`: silly laundry sending coins to other people's addresses
(trilema) nubbins`: nod, search for funded addresses
(trilema) nubbins`: maybe. a few of the sends ended up on casascius rounds
(trilema) nubbins`: data storage?
(trilema) nubbins`: in 0.001btc increments
(trilema) nubbins`: but ~37btc dished out so far
(trilema) nubbins`: well, not sure of the motivation
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform: that's still happening
(trilema) nubbins`: let's buy trilema credits with it
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, merge my thought with alf's
(trilema) nubbins`: that would be fun
(trilema) nubbins`: google search turns up whatever
(trilema) nubbins`: last tx was 10k bitcoin to 1blahblah
(trilema) nubbins`: feds sieze wallet of Derp Pirate Roy
(trilema) nubbins`: maybe i'm frequenting the wrong bars ;(
(trilema) nubbins`: the bars i frequent are not the sort of places where one would bring a suitcase full of benjamins
(trilema) nubbins`: 50 cents on the dollar if you're lucky
(trilema) nubbins`: he entered the bitcoin forcefully and without mercy
(trilema) nubbins`: when did you enter the bitcoin?
(trilema) nubbins`: it protested some, but it's a man's world
(trilema) nubbins`: i entered the bitcoin
(trilema) nubbins`: this image popped up in one of the old avalon threads, i lel'd heavily
(trilema) nubbins`: pretty silly idea
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, huge uproar about it all
(trilema) nubbins`: ah, interesting
(trilema) nubbins`: i.e. their feedback appears in the "trusted feedback" section of a user's trust page
(trilema) nubbins`: nah, default trust is a list of people that, by default, all new users "trust"
(trilema) nubbins`: Duffer1: i've got some lovely certificates designed for those
(trilema) nubbins`: "[Default Trust] is Tyrannically Centralized! (goat)"
(trilema) nubbins`: it's now uh, one sec
(trilema) nubbins`: goat changed his name on the forums
(trilema) nubbins`: ^ real advice
(trilema) nubbins`: cim/cif ftw
(trilema) nubbins`: someone's going to be left holding millions of dogecoin
(trilema) nubbins`: risk being that you're the greatest fool
(trilema) nubbins`: not only technically but practically, too
(trilema) nubbins`: technically purchasing a miner with btc is a bitcoin divestment
(trilema) nubbins`: having a brutal time installing ubuntu on this netbook
(trilema) nubbins`: makes it a lot less confusing
(trilema) nubbins`: 2. Bb5, etc
(trilema) nubbins`: e.g.: 1. e4
(trilema) nubbins`: whoever is white should be numbering their moves
(trilema) nubbins`: the ruling is that you guys roll back a few moves and get your shit together
(trilema) nubbins`: glad i didn't play with you ;(
(trilema) nubbins`: jeez, don't be so demanding
(trilema) nubbins`: so close, just a word short
(trilema) nubbins`: ;;google you know what they say about hope
(trilema) nubbins`: you know what they say about hope
(trilema) nubbins`: first of that type, anyway
(trilema) nubbins`: thanks, feels good. first one i've sold in a few months
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