asciilifeform: for thread-completeness, will add that it is possible to speed up the algo by giving not only 1 'primorial up to width' but it and then whichever number of product(n+1th-prime ... n+i-th prime) that yet again fit in the width, and so forth, for any desired # of small primes, for the initial sieve
asciilifeform: granted for actual key will want also random e , and will reject some p,q,e triples based on the obvious rule
asciilifeform: it's ~= the figure i predicted on napkin, but nao has experimental confirm.
asciilifeform: the carryaway is that ( with operating fg ) it'll take <2min to bake a 4096bit key .
mircea_popescu: i dun see the problem, so it takers a minute. current gpg takes as much, and ssh which doesn't is sucja cryptojoke as to not be worth the mention.
asciilifeform: if the q returned a null, not problem, lol
asciilifeform: on avg. takes 1 - 50 (worst so far) sec. on the 'standard' test box.
asciilifeform: in other noose ! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/6rnvA/?raw=true << prelim. smoke test of ch18 example 2048b prime gen. http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/USsFD/?raw=true << sample output with timing. all the primes pass on e.g. wolfram's , if anyone has a favourite 3rdparty litmus, plox to try also when ch18 posted.
mircea_popescu: no markings are clear in modern democracy. it's written in the constitution : everyone is to be idemnified for all things they do not read.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder re the thought process. door clearly marked 'If you don't know where you are, you shouldn't be here.' eh .
mircea_popescu: "My friends: We really need to start talking nicer to eachother 4 minutes later: You really are a stupid ass bitch"
mircea_popescu: easy enough to check, on the other side. but yes, chick's a cut above the usual dickowsy.
diana_coman: "Dudes are out here going to the gym to only work out their arms and chest and constantly skip everything below their torso." aahaha
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: fwiw everything I published v-versioned has the tests included as a subdir with its own .gpr file and all that; I'm not sure a fork of the V-tree is really needed for this (i.e. deleting a whole dir is easier than maintaining a for as far as I see it atm).
BingoBoingo: The extremes were more extreme back on the plains of old country, but here the baseline level of air movement is quite a bit higher.
mircea_popescu: it's started here, the wind. it'd be tornado level anywhere else, it freely moves the damned car on the highway, "what the fuck, is my direction shot what the fuck is this ?!" "just windy" "holy shit!"
BingoBoingo: Well, walks are getting easier now that the wind and chill is clearing the locals off the riverwalk
mircea_popescu: well in the meanwhile stop burning so much incense on the melancholy temple. idle hands an' all that!!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (i kinda suspect BingoBoingo would do a lot better with a partner on the grounds, tbh) << I suspect similar
mircea_popescu: this way, someone looking to test presses to both heads and voila. it has the potential to significantly improve the quality of testing done, both in the sense of total and highwater mark.
mircea_popescu: same goes for whoever else has a good testing suite for whatever they're maintaining : publishing a "devel" branch, including testing and whatever else tooling in that vein is certainly a legitimate use of forking the v tree.
mircea_popescu: billymg, if you're happy with it, one thing you could do is patch your testing suite as an alternate patch off mp-wp genesis ; this way people looking to test can just use it (and patch atop it if need be) rather than write from scratch.
billymg: a freshly pressed copy of the divergent patch found here http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= has been running on my blog since sunday though
a111: Logged on 2019-03-27 00:55 Mocky: I'm going to finish moving my blog over to mpwp this week. I expect I'll need some pizarro assistance for go-live. Then Imma post remaining handful of Qatar posts, including video of my address to Doha derpchain gathering.
mircea_popescu: and for the rotaku club : https://ro.wikisource.org/wiki/A_zecea_muz%C4%83 (one of caragiale's best satires, utterly destructuring "modern" world.)
mircea_popescu: same exact youth that then go and bludgeon police into the ground. rinse, repeat, scale up, take over.
Mocky: I had a dream 3 nights ago that I walked down a row of 4 houses and banged on each door as I went past yelling "send our your oldest girl" and the doors all opened and 4 female lions came running out as if to chase and attack me. But I stared them down and told them they are with me now. Apparently they were talking lions because they all said "ok" and then followed me as I walked off.
mircea_popescu: "mayor of the palace", whatever.
mircea_popescu: Mocky, pepin the short was the original carolingian king of the franks. started career as exactly that, "being paid to guard the household while selling tickets to rape the wives"
mircea_popescu: yeah. but the contrary consideration's certainly sound, "let's do things in the order they can be done in, as opposed to any other."
mircea_popescu: Mocky, i'm just laying it on the table, plainly. i'm not trying to force you into nonsense.
mircea_popescu: all that's needed is the proper an' adequate supply of pippins der kurzen
mircea_popescu: the place is quite ripe for it, on one hand lots and lots and lots of useless and idle youth, on the other hand large paper fortunes desperate for some protection. can very well get paid to "protect the household" while selling tickets to rape the wife, it's 100% a opera buffa sorta sittuation.
mircea_popescu: item crumpled over absent grassroots. not that it's hard to remedy : get a church registered, organize donation campaigns, get some real estate and run events off it, there you go.
mircea_popescu: (same exact blueprint that's working quite so splendidly to embarass french pantsuit these days, exactly)
mircea_popescu: the context was, some farmers were disputing usg's territorial claim, and it'd have been a decent opportunity for some keks. free beer, collegiate sluts, get a party going, let the landsknecht deal wirth it
mircea_popescu: the original discussion was, sec lemme find it...
a111: Logged on 2014-05-15 04:08 benkay: http://www.followthecoin.com/dogepdx-portlands-biggest-dogecoin-party/
mircea_popescu: (i kinda suspect BingoBoingo would do a lot better with a partner on the grounds, tbh)
mircea_popescu: basically the discriminant there was "decided to staay or leave ? if stay, x, if leave, dunno, maybe go to paraguay see if can help bingo get that hardware shop off the ground or something"
mircea_popescu: well, mid term is mid term, what, three, five, ten years. none of the items described there are longer commitments anyway, you can totally get a church going in the mid term -- if it goes anywhere i'm sure there'll be who wants to take over if / when you feel like leaving.
Mocky: Yes. and also firmly decided to make the mid term as short as possible
mircea_popescu: so basically what you're saying is that you're only firmly decided to stay in us for the ~mid term~ as opposed to "more than that" ?
mircea_popescu: well, im not sure i follow what;s going on, but didn't you execute a 1. i must pay dubaloos so and so a month to landlord therefore -> 2. i must take job in empire and thus logically -> 3. gotta live there ?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-21 16:22 mircea_popescu: if you just run by whatever shines you'll get overwhelmed and then depressed at how the sand sucks effort with no visible return.
Mocky: I am serious about finding a way out of mordor. I'm interested in both tech & non tech hole filling: giving the matter due consideration so as to avoid http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-21#1828117
mircea_popescu: ie, there's a lot both tech and non tech holes to fill.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-19 23:18 mircea_popescu: if anyone recalls, at that time the intended republic-sponsored kegger party at the site of some anti-usg rebellion died over portland's apparent failure to produce beer & sluts under ben_vulpes 's direction.
mircea_popescu: other than that, a) if you'd rather mostly deal with c legacy codebase you could also work with diana_coman on an eulora client ; b) if you'd rather do evanghelism work the original job in the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-19#1903518 line is still open -- you could work to advertise your castle in heathenworld (leverages pizarro directly ; and if you're serious about not leaving the ushithole you can incorporate it regula
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 21:31 asciilifeform: i'll add that even a tcp skin wouldn't be entirely useless ( right nao the only way to write a wwwistic proggy in ada is to use adacorpse's 'gnatsockets' crock of shit )
mircea_popescu: or you wanna try your hand at http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128270 ?
mircea_popescu: item should be ~the most accessible if i had to guess.
asciilifeform: any given piece of peh tape cannot refer to anything that lies to the right of it, ergo 1 walk suffices
asciilifeform: but imho 1st it oughta become 'second nature' for the n00b , to read the examples with naked eye
asciilifeform: at some pt i'ma publish the emacs majormode for editing pehs. it is ~much~ easier with colours etc
asciilifeform: Mocky: most battlefield pehtapes , i expect, will be ~much~ easier to read than these ( e.g. will include comments, an' meaningful names ) . these, are simply micro demos that fit in log line
asciilifeform: ^ the Right Thing.
pehbot: asciilifeform: EGGOG: FATAL: Tick: 32 IP: 32 Symbol: '!' : Attempted movement to IP: 5 violates the Cutout!
BingoBoingo: <Mocky> I'm going to finish moving my blog over to mpwp this week. I expect I'll need some pizarro assistance for go-live. Then Imma post remaining handful of Qatar posts, including video of my address to Doha derpchain gathering. << Let me know what you need
asciilifeform: i'ma leave the bot alive nao , for if anyone wants to play.
Mocky: I think I get it but havn't used yet, other than a trb build from online that didn't require much thinking.
asciilifeform: imho v is the simplest, mechanically, versionatron ever baked. so i dun expect Mocky will have much of problem
asciilifeform: ( even tho it is about the ancient proof of concept vtron, with old-style hashes etc., re the basic mechanics it is still 100% correct )
Mocky: I'm going to finish moving my blog over to mpwp this week. I expect I'll need some pizarro assistance for go-live. Then Imma post remaining handful of Qatar posts, including video of my address to Doha derpchain gathering.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/03/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-june-july-and-august-1715-part-i/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July and August, 1715. - Part I.
asciilifeform: likewise, operator at least oughta have the ~option~ of 'all MULs take same # of cycles', even if no one wants this on server.
asciilifeform: the 'meta-sanity' arguably is that operator oughta be able to at least switch off the cache. ( you cannot, e.g., on x86, switch off l0 cache )
asciilifeform: theoretically what is 'sane' for machine to fiddle with proggies on, is not appropriate for server, or for ciphertron, etc
asciilifeform currently suspects that '1 sane comp for all problem domains' is a misapprehension of the problem, and that '1 for crypto, 1 for other things' is merely the beginning of it.
asciilifeform: if nuffin else, some of asciilifeform's demands re 'sane comp' are in architectural tension with others ( rather like to ask 'i want sword that cuts other swords, but isn't brittle' )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-26#1904962 << not to let this escape; i'd actually be quite interested to read diana_coman's own thoughts re what is a sane comp. ( asciilifeform wrote at great length re the subj, would also like to see where folx disagree / expand )
asciilifeform: rather than reasonable foundation for anyffin new
mircea_popescu: might tbe a better route, esp if it delivers a cheap way to a tcp-based republican web, to replace the www.
asciilifeform: i'll add that even a tcp skin wouldn't be entirely useless ( right nao the only way to write a wwwistic proggy in ada is to use adacorpse's 'gnatsockets' crock of shit )
asciilifeform: then can talk to mysql etc. just like trinque's cl proggy does
mircea_popescu: can use mmap etc to fix the substance later.
mircea_popescu: no argument there ; also so far, let's just first get a wrapper.
asciilifeform: having since '13 when 1st touched the subj, actually rftm'd, i'm not even prepared to say that 'who needs all those things'
asciilifeform: they do.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:29 asciilifeform: phuctor ( and in particular, some of the 'heavier' / unusual pheatures, like search ) i baked specifically around postgres.
mircea_popescu: yes man, but trad dbs do a lot of things, including http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872293 ; i can appreciate the "fuck this mn lines of c" argument, but this isn't the time to feather-macaroni just yet.
asciilifeform: ( in the last iteration , the 1 that presently dun build on acct of gnat bug , you simply make any data structure you like in ada, and it persists to disk. )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's mmap thing (ideally a working ver of the latest iteration, but even the original 'horsecocks') already gives ability to write simple , fast db, for uncomplicated schemas
asciilifeform: ideally what you'd want imho is a sane db solidly in ada, rather than coupla mil+ loc of c ??? . but this may be bridge too far just yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand , this one would need either tcpism (not written yet) or unixsocketism (also afaik not written, aside from the sad adacorpse implementation in gnat std lib)
mircea_popescu: in another order : an ada prototype for db interaction, at the very least with mysql and postgres, would probably get imported into a lot of projects. anyone has one unpublished ? anyone wanna write ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-13 14:29 mircea_popescu: this is a matter of best practices that's by its nature a republican standard candidate, so i'd very much like to hear the esteemed lordship.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile since we're doing this kinda thing, let me reiterrate the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-13#1886466 discussion.
a111: Logged on 2014-08-20 01:01 asciilifeform: '
like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the newbies to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum)
asciilifeform: the 'bootstrap to c + linux' people make this exact mistake. 'look, i wrote this compact bootstrapper, nao i can breathe out and start wallowing in my familiar pointerolade an' nulltermstrings pigsty again'
asciilifeform: there was an old mircea_popescu piece , where , 'some people - stupid in particular way, and think that if they buy big enuff house, it will never have to be cleaned'
mircea_popescu: hence the profanity.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-18 15:31 asciilifeform: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/03/mes-part-1-stage0/#selection-29.94-29.340 << imho ~100% of the attempts on record , made exactly same mistake -- they assumed that 'architecture-specific aspects creep into the design of the boostrapping process' only concerns ~what is there~ in the arch, and not ~what is not there~ (e.g. sane memory management, type tags) . if you dun put the complexity of certain necessary sanities where it belongs -- i
asciilifeform: in re bootstrappers, i'll also add that the problem itself is disastrously misunderstood by most folx who tried hand at it, specifically in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-18#1903170
asciilifeform: i would not presently go as far as to say 'peh is ~the~ bootstrapper' ( current peh cannot even output a raw byte... ) but suspect that the solution will have approximately its shape.
mircea_popescu: if peh can be its own bootstrapper quite so transparently nobody notices, then maybe it is actually a good general purpose bootstrapping tool. maybe.
asciilifeform: no good reason imho to try to keep c on life support in long term. it's done enuff damage to the field.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yes! in the other perspective : BECAUSE IT IS ITS OWN BOOTSTRAPPER!!!
mircea_popescu: but consider the converse problem : if it comes to it, am i going to order the re-implementation de novo of gcc's backend by republican hands ? why MUST it be c ?
mircea_popescu: no argument there.\
asciilifeform: ( in fact ada per se has a fascism knob that, if set, prevents early return from subroutines . i have not thus far used, cuz in ffa per se this is already the case, nuffin gets to terminate early when 'constant time' algo )
mircea_popescu: (note also, but importantly, that one doesn't have to write peh by hand anymore than he has to write asm by hand. there's perfectly conceivable one has an optimizing pehpiler.)
mircea_popescu: but perhaps this is the place to find out.
asciilifeform: note that just about any iterative algo can be rewritten in this form. ( just that ~nobody ever bothers , typically )
asciilifeform: all of this, is to 1) make easier to 'fit in head' the flow of a pehtape by eyeballing 2) reduce cachemiss sidechannel chatter
asciilifeform: all subs have 1 valid termination point, there is no early 'return'; ditto loops ( as of ch18 )
asciilifeform: in re peh in particular, the 'tape' model i picked consciously, and not simply in re the terminology to call the proggies 'tapes'. thing is built so that all motion is , albeit non-monotonically, forward ( e.g. subroutine can call another sub, but only one defined ~earlier on the tape~ from the place where called; and all subs ~must~ either reach their termination point, or produce verdict & halt the process , there is no 'goto' )
mircea_popescu: this observation is a major driver of the foregoing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right. and , interestingly, the coupla-1000fold diff b/w main ram speed and that of cache , on current-day irons, has just about brought back the age of tape algo
asciilifeform: ( recall incidentally the fate of 'bubble memory.' mega-invention, btw. d00d discovered that you dun need a tape deck to use tape, in a certain config of magnetic field, you can make the bits on tape ~walk~ in circles. and r/w'em as they move past a particular spot. )
mircea_popescu: because no, this is a cop-out, "oh, it's arbitrary". like the poorly trained cook, "arbitrary use of tools"
asciilifeform: where he had the 'algos for N tape decks'
bvt: mircea_popescu: i'll try to get him into #trilema on the weekend
mircea_popescu: yes, it is, translates bizarre pantsuit notions of "randomness" ; nevertheless the point stands if renamed : arbitrary, and who's the arbiter ? Nike the goddess ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'random' in 'random access' is imho an unfortunate misnomer.
mircea_popescu: obviously (i would hope) i'm not proposing any naive solution will necessarily work well ; i'm just saying that it's not obvious to me a smart solution isn't available somewhere. in point of fact not merely p, but ~the whole class of things for which it stands as a most illustrative example~ is, if arguably not new, in any case the continuation of work in fields and along lines neglected for at least three if not more than
mircea_popescu: but in any case no such thing as "random" exists in the fucking machine --- if it did, you wouldn't need to buy fg's for it, now would you.
mircea_popescu: the dood's historical blackjack playing program is a better model of "bootstrapper" than what you find in average "systems design" in orclang books.
mircea_popescu will import by reference the story of mel. what "random access", it's onlty random if you don't know what you're doing and at bootstrap phase the item's too close to starting position to have complexity-exploded out of your hands already as a matter of necessity.
mircea_popescu: oh fuck your sister atop your mother, whynot.
mircea_popescu: i'm not disposing of the matter. i'm just keeping it open, and specifically because these sorts of things are by now reflex in the malfunctioning brains of "it experts". oh, small ram footprint of bootstrapper. oh, random access.\
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: per the current instruction set, you could not write e.g. 'unzip' in it
mircea_popescu: ie, being economical re bootstrap ram is one of the dumbest things i can think of. beats "penny wise and pound foolish" by 2+ degrees of magnitude in folly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's other constraints, e.g. peh is quite certainly not optimized for random-access on large data set , there is no support for even such thing as array
mircea_popescu: there's no hard and fast requirement that the bootstrapper needs to use less than the full system memory, which is mb in any case.
bvt: asciilifeform: yes, ending up with the same gnu stuff is pretty sad work result
mircea_popescu: that's in fact one of the few parts where the historical constraint bears no relevancy today.
mircea_popescu: we don't need the bootstrapper to fit in x kb.
mircea_popescu: bvt, so put the matter to him plainly, "look, the republic is considering this, either come over and make your case or what d oyou want to do" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'bootstrap' concept in that thread was specifically re 'what coupla kB can you start with in rom that would actually let you build the entire os', rather than the traditional 'boot' process , not to be confused with
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 19:58 mircea_popescu: bvt, http://archive.is/febOU#selection-255.67-255.135 challenge specifically offers you excellent entry point : there's a bunch of contact details available, what's "me" resolve to as a provision endpoint.
mircea_popescu: i suspect though the earlier discussion of "what do we want for a scripting language" is deeply if unobviously related to "what is bootstrap done by"
asciilifeform: bvt: the other thing, is the 3-ring circus aspect of elaborately dethompsonizing a box in order to... bring up 1M+line of linusolade
bvt: i also don't like how at the 'mes' stage a linux kernel 'magically' appears as the underlying substrape, while stage0 parts are designed to work without os
asciilifeform: at least Framedragger was under the notion that he'd get to fuck mermaids at the bottom of his sea, or what was it.
bvt: asciilifeform: they claim that it is work-in-progress, but in fact c compiler that manages to compile tcc may be less then 10% of required work.
asciilifeform: pretty sad, imho : esthlos wrote a++ log summaries, a working vtron, possibly other items i cant recall
mircea_popescu: bvt, http://archive.is/febOU#selection-255.67-255.135 challenge specifically offers you excellent entry point : there's a bunch of contact details available, what's "me" resolve to as a provision endpoint.
bvt: OriansJ in #bootstrappable has a notion of hygiene (at least basic, ie groks fits-in-head), and still works on the stage0; i had no interaction with janneke (mes author) yet, so can't make claims about him. he does make some noise in the #bootstrappable and #guix
a111: 2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
mircea_popescu: bvt, did you identify any live ones among the authors/participants ?
asciilifeform: bvt: seems like mircea_popescu's original eyeball verdict was 100% on target? i.e. 'mes' is a pile o'shit masquerading as they usually do for a solution
bvt: linux bootstrap with actual mes is way more disappointingto stage0 components (the claim is 'c compiler is scheme and scheme interpreter in c', but in fact they require bash, patch, tar, etc. for the bootstrap).
mircea_popescu: (they're prolly trying to get into costa rica illegally, as nobody here can distinguiush nicas and mexicans. but anyway)
mircea_popescu: apparently idiots don't get names, they get collapsed into the tree of their stupidities.
asciilifeform: re 'in congress directly' -- anyone recall the congressderp who had zombie-esque blue skin from taking 'colloidal silver' patent medicines ?
mircea_popescu: a ok then.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they moar or less ~are~ 'in congress directly'
mircea_popescu: i dunno why don't they just put the "fuel economy magnets" people in congress directly. properly speaking, there's no other substance to "america".
mircea_popescu: poor but stupid yankee kids, hearing of something in that vein, imagined the ~same can be obtained not only very cheaply, but importantly using only items accessible -- the only enduring ideology of that place. and so... the yankee is moronic enough to act as if a feather suffices to be 2nd line english elite.)
mircea_popescu: (likbez : as grand tours became popularized, in the interim before cook's mass commercialization thereof, a lot of 2nd hand british elite kids were exposed to italian fashion and atmosphere ; gained an appreciation of aforeunknown pasta, ie maccaroni, and started a whole epicene fashion including ridiculous dress and assorted faggotry.
asciilifeform: a la 'bob the bridge-builder'
asciilifeform: (waithefuq did that stop being the official anthem, i wonder. it's entirely appropriate..)
mircea_popescu: in the words of their national anthem, "he puts a feather in his cap and calls it macaroni"
mircea_popescu: the latter's a little more fopish and sophisticated, but then again the former's born in whichever unknown swamp amidst our colonies.
mircea_popescu: so i dunno that there's a substantial difference, ideologically, between kennan and churchill.
mircea_popescu: i don;t have a very clear view of patton ; but churchill is exactly as much a socialist as the whole temperance movement. he was unequivocally identified as such by ~all contemporaries, what, just because dumb soviet kid never heard of churchill other than for one newspaper notice dated 1945 this means something ? by the time hitler came to power churchill had been an openly socialist politician for a decade+
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i pictured '1947 'red' not as kennan et al tho, but as e.g. patton, churchill, et al - the folx who were ready to rearm germany an' proceed straight into ww3, and had to be stfu'd by the brass strictly on acct of truman having insufficient nuke pile (iirc atm ~7 or so)
BingoBoingo: I got the plata back. Picking up different beefier machine tomorrow from a vendor in centro.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, cool deal then!
mircea_popescu: he was factually very influential "russian blue expert for to explain to american red how does the blue relate to me"
asciilifeform: i'll buy. ( mircea_popescu will also find it entertaining that kennan was ~the~ 'sovologist' taught in asciilifeform's ameri-school )
mircea_popescu: dominant in the us, but in 19~47~
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 09:18 mircea_popescu: "The present generation of Russians have never known spontaneity of collective action. If, consequently, anything were ever to occur to disrupt the unity and efficacy of the Party as a political instrument, Soviet Russia might be changed overnight from one of the strongest to one of the weakest and most pitiable of national societies."
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 08:58 mircea_popescu: n direction, stopping only when it meets with some unanswerable force. The individuals who are the components of this machine are unamenable to argument or reason, which comes to them from outside sources. Their whole training has taught them to mistrust and discount the glib persuasiveness of the outside world.
BingoBoingo: In the saga of http://pizarroisp.net/?p=82&preview=true#selection-17.41-17.91 satisfaction has been recieved.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-28 23:10 mircea_popescu: kanzure " Obviously there is no possiblity of meaning outside of a structure of authority, and the authority can not be predicated on the meaning."
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 08:58 mircea_popescu: nt: namely, the fact that the leadership is at liberty to put forward for tactical purposes any particular thesis which it finds useful to the cause at any particular moment and to require the faithful and unquestioning acceptance of that thesis by the members of the movement as a whole. This means that truth is not a constant but is actually created, for all intents and purposes, by the Soviet leaders themselves. It may v
phf: nginx knows how to cache items properly, but backend doesn't send proper headers yet, to indicate invalidation. there's really no reason anything in btcbase/patches needs to rerender itself everytime, but the relevant bits are not in place.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 12:37 mircea_popescu: phf, why does http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_remove-tinymce-and-other-crud not look the same as http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_html-comments-enabled ? i want ?inlinep=true FOREVAR!!!!
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904652 << i'll look into reasons. i believe right now there's no caching of any kind, vpatch is pre-parsed in-memory, but the rendering happens fresh everytime.
mircea_popescu: "The present generation of Russians have never known spontaneity of collective action. If, consequently, anything were ever to occur to disrupt the unity and efficacy of the Party as a political instrument, Soviet Russia might be changed overnight from one of the strongest to one of the weakest and most pitiable of national societies."
mircea_popescu: are not likely to be swayed by any normal logic in the words of the bourgeois representative. Since there can be no appeal to common purposes, there can be no appeal to common mental approaches.
mircea_popescu: Like the white dog before the phonograph, they hear only the "master's voice." And if they are to be called off from the purposes last dictated to them, it is the master who must call them off." Thus the foreign representative cannot hope that his words will make any impression on them. The most that he can hope is that they will be transmitted to those at the top, who are capable of changing the party line. But even those
mircea_popescu: n direction, stopping only when it meets with some unanswerable force. The individuals who are the components of this machine are unamenable to argument or reason, which comes to them from outside sources. Their whole training has taught them to mistrust and discount the glib persuasiveness of the outside world.
mircea_popescu: ont-fucking-yield/][an unshakable stubbornness and steadfastness] in its orientation. This orientation can be changed at will by the Kremlin but by no other power. Once a given party line has been laid down on a given issue of current policy, the whole Soviet governmental machine, including the mechanism of diplomacy, moves inexorably along the prescribed path, like a persistent toy automobile wound up and headed in a give
mircea_popescu: ary from week to week, from month to month. It is nothing absolute and immutable -- nothing which flows from objective reality. It is only the most recent manifestation of the wisdom of those in whom the ultimate wisdom is supposed to reside, because they represent the logic of history. The accumulative effect of these factors is to give to the whole subordinate apparatus of Soviet power [http://trilema.com/2016/and-they-w
mircea_popescu: nt: namely, the fact that the leadership is at liberty to put forward for tactical purposes any particular thesis which it finds useful to the cause at any particular moment and to require the faithful and unquestioning acceptance of that thesis by the members of the movement as a whole. This means that truth is not a constant but is actually created, for all intents and purposes, by the Soviet leaders themselves. It may v
mircea_popescu: "On the principle of infallibility there rests the iron discipline of the Communist Party. In fact, the two concepts are mutually self-supporting. Perfect discipline requires recognition of infallibility. Infallibility requires the observance of discipline. And the two go far to determine the behaviorism of the entire Soviet apparatus of power. But their effect cannot be understood unless a third factor be taken into accou
mircea_popescu: "Now it lies in the nature of the mental world of the Soviet leaders, as well as in the character of their ideology, that no opposition to them can be officially recognized as having any merit or justification whatsoever. Such opposition can flow, in theory, only from the hostile and incorrigible forces of [???]"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on topics of "usg, the latest socialism", i very warmly recommend kennan's 1947 sources of soviet conduct.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904731 << http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/ ; updated phf billymg mircea_popescu et al.
asciilifeform: ( in early 1900s, there was a fiction that fed gov 'only has power to tax', and so ban was dresses as a 'tax' )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it was maxint in that usg wouldn't actually sell the tax stamp anywhere
asciilifeform: originally the talmud^H^H^H^Hlegalism required this 'hack'
BingoBoingo: Rather big leap in cone sizes
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 00:55 asciilifeform: when patient dun seem to even blink from cone insertion , the natural response is to give him bigger cone. i fully expect the process will continue in this vein
BingoBoingo: This is for the ammo to be in illinois, maker has to serialize bullets plus + 0.005 USD tax per bullet so Illinois can bungle a tracking system
BingoBoingo: ^ 500 counts of Class A Misdemeanor could be yours for the low price of 19.59 USD and presence in Illinois after January 1st, 2020
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/usg-leveraging-discord-in-the-home-to-disarm-americans-illinois-moving-ammo-serialization-bill-through-legislature/ << Qntra -- USG Leveraging Discord In The Home To Disarm Americans, Illinois Moving Ammo Serialization Bill Through Legislature
hanbot: meanwhile billymg phf mircea_popescu et al my patch from last night needed a reground, sorry for the pain in the ass. http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/
asciilifeform: ( ~= 'all the landlords down one hole, burzhuy by burzhuy, we will, we will beat, we will, we will beat' )
asciilifeform: the archaetypical red army fella , beating up the designated kulak, will say simply буржуй .
asciilifeform: буржуазно-помещичья , i suppose. but pretty strong aura of 'limba de lemn' there
asciilifeform: ( muchly corrupted vs. the orig., but iconic term )
mircea_popescu: that was lenin's identification of the reds in his own party.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'preoccupation with crimes' also comes in diff. variants. consider e.g. lafonde, vs the typical ameri-suburbanite who has never so much as personally seen a homo-lafondicus with naked eye but nevertheless fixated , etc
mircea_popescu: the guys to whom assange attempted to leak, basically. the "public opinion", whatever.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the scab cracked ~synchronously with $america-ended
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, in immediate context, the fellow from yest, preoccupied with "violent crime". in general, "republicans" up to 1980s or so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who are in this context 'reds' and 'blues' ? ( presumably not the 2 usg armies mircea_popescu earlier argued have long ago merged into 1 ? )
mircea_popescu: in a sense, the children have taken over the insane asylum -- to anyone outside they make just as good mental patients as the older ones ; but inside they move quicker and are more vivacious, which are natural advantages.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that to guarantee pleasant-to-read diff, one has to specifically write proggy in certain style, and that the problem aint otherwise solvable in the general case
mircea_popescu: because, specifically, reds have a lot more trouble dealing with alterity than blues. the blue has little trouble with alterity because they're mostly mentally retarded, no strong notions of self.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, it's not even coincidental that the pantsuit used "ts" as in trans-sexualism to liberate themselves from the traditional ("reds") socialist mindset and erupt like puss from a scab.
mircea_popescu: i can't readily say what it is i actually want algorithmically, which is why i'm not even certain it can be had. but the scrolling hurts my precious inner child.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, even IF in fact whitespace is meaningful, i still want the lines interlaced rather than chunked blocks i have to scroll up and down for.
mircea_popescu: socialist accounting of costs is a thing of wonder. obviously no such thing as 0-cost exists in nature, but they're ideal sorta folk.
mircea_popescu: moreover, check out the similar pattern of reaction to alterity : someone's unimpressed with this "marx" symbol ? must be immaturity! because the only 0-cost explanation of difference would be... "the different hasn't yet matured into us". anything else, profoundly threatening to the narc^Hsocialist.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 00:40 mircea_popescu: in a sense, the "fascists" are more progressive than the "progressive"
hanbot: mircea_popescu, so wait, are you saying that the "black people & crime" thing is purely an internal debate of socialism, pitting the pantsuit against the more progressive TS faction in the attempt to establish "which parts of ideal socialism relate to me more"?
asciilifeform: re diffs -- it ~is~ possible to make a 'any small change WILL result in a small diffism' diff algo. but, i suspect , not possible to make it naked-eye readable. and, conversely, naked-eye readable diff is , i suspect, necessarily ~same as the classical.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904673 << asciilifeform several times tried his hand at 'what if nonclassical diff', these are in the logs. but mircea_popescu barfed, and i dun even disagree, thus far nobody's thought of a moar human-readable diffism than the traditional one
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-truebeliever-socialist/ << Trilema -- The Truebeliever Socialist
mircea_popescu: dude, check that shit out. a) romanian is the 2nd language, after pinoy english ? b) hardcore dude, PopaIonel.
nicoleci: oh, there's all sorts. * You have been kicked from #sexe by Aquavelva (Banni: Tu es sur un canal shitlisté ici)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 12:44 mircea_popescu: de how they needn't appear at all, item wasn't changed -- is it specifically because of whitespace ? because honestly, one extra tab shouldn't produce a "new line of code".).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904657 << the classic diff algo, sadly , sees whitespace as 'changed line' (not even sure this is wrong, even, in some sadlangs whitespace is significant) .
mircea_popescu: i suspect working solvent more expensive than the solute in this case lol
asciilifeform: fwiw the argentine tube contains sumthing visually resembling actual cyanoacrylate. it's simply defective in some subtle way.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904648 << i still buy good old pva. there's afaik no substitute for it for paper (i.e. b00kz)
mircea_popescu: must suck to be pantsuit/usgistani true believer these days.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the neverending lulz : russia is gonna help venezuela nao.
mircea_popescu: de how they needn't appear at all, item wasn't changed -- is it specifically because of whitespace ? because honestly, one extra tab shouldn't produce a "new line of code".).
mircea_popescu: phf, and since i'm doing whining : can there be an alternate mode where lines are always interleaved, like in this beauty ? eg, http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5661.0-5158.160 and http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_add-footnotes-and-textselectionjs#selection-5335.0-5158.58 needn't appear that far apart (leaving asi
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit if it makes 50mb pages. for THIS, and i know of no other use (perhaps "full list of comments on blog article"), any length is legitimate use of the mbs.
mircea_popescu: phf, why does http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_remove-tinymce-and-other-crud not look the same as http://btcbase.org/patches/mp-wp_html-comments-enabled ? i want ?inlinep=true FOREVAR!!!!
mircea_popescu: i dunno how anyone continues on the old style. it's like.... jesus. it's inconceivable.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=mp-wp&search= << keks they ended up diverged. normally i'd ask hanbot to regrind, except this is a large patch that needs some reading, so would you mind regrinding it on top of hers billymg ?
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/03/mp-wp-patch-for-enabling-html-comments/ << The Whet -- MP-WP Patch for Enabling HTML Comments
billymg: will put together a post about it too but i'll have to get to that later this week
billymg: the patch removes tinymce, most of the importers, and some unused plugins -- overall reduction of about 15% in lines of code and close to 20% in size on disk (since some of the files removed were minified files containing only one line)
billymg: hanbot, mircea_popescu, anyone else interested: i just finished deploying the latest mp-wp patch to my site and published the files here http://billymg.com/mp-wp-vtree/