BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The old man clearly was predatory to the vulnerable young man... Femstate means if a young buck has any color on him his agency is female.
BingoBoingo: No appreciable hydrocarbons in the ground so they started planting Eucalyptus in 1989. For the estufas de leña though paper mills followed the forresting
asciilifeform: ( recall the story where jp in '90s bought entire steamer of old sovok bottle crates. for the cedar )
mp_en_viaje: the cedars of lebanon
asciilifeform: there's still cedar in ru far east iirc
a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 22:10 asciilifeform: bvt: i dun expect any oak. for 1 thing, most of the old-growth wood of the kind which built the great cathedrals, sailing ships, etc. is gone.
mp_en_viaje: all these annoying b cup euro tits, too. 24yo pubescentitis
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, i fear it's the genes.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, haven't been here in almost 20 years ; i dun recall this problem, but then again....
mp_en_viaje: what's the point of being a 5"9 female if you're gonna carry less ass than me ?!
mp_en_viaje: other than this, the chicks are often even tall, and commonly cute -- except if you beheaded a hundred or two alongside another hundred or two 13 yo boys and sewed the heads back on randomly you could scarcely tell the difference.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: is this 1st time you went there ? or did they fughet how to spatian since n-1 ?
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, yes, somehow spatial navigation schelling points common to all other humans ain;t obvious to hungarians.
mp_en_viaje: something like two dozen separate blarings, i mean gimme a fucking break, there can't be that many emergencies
asciilifeform: 'some may have escaped from the siren's song, but from their silence -- no one'(tm)(r) lol
mp_en_viaje: (unsurprising to anyone with me, the siren shut up instantly. i can turn off sirens by yelling!)
mp_en_viaje: saw three separate road incidents avoided by the grace of the wounds of saint francis only ; while watching hanbot and 15 our of 18 possible people get into each other's way and so on.
mp_en_viaje: can't park, can't drive, can't fucking walk, all sorrts of common sense items ("no, do NOt drive right into a main lane from the side street to the point of near collision after which suddenly and unexpectedly back away at speed towards a crosswalk") do not come naturally to them.
BingoBoingo: As evidenced by the javascript brain cancer
mp_en_viaje: they are geometrically challenged in a manner quite reminiscent of their sad lang. i am starting to suspect the distance between euclidean geometry and what's going on in hungarian skull is commensurate with distance between human lang and their finougric atrocity.
mp_en_viaje: hungarians are fucking insufferable, for the most part.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-26 20:07 mircea_popescu: bvt, so put the matter to him plainly, "look, the republic is considering this, either come over and make your case or what d oyou want to do" ?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 21:30 bvt: the only smaller item in my pipeline is unrolling comba for ch10 multiplication; and i'd like to give a shot a 'kill /dev/random and /dev/urandom' experiment, replacing them with buffers than can be directly fed from userspace, but this - even later.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-15#1908619 << sorry about the whole http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-26#1904872 not working out, btw. eminently not your fault.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform wonders re status of the 'escape from fleanode' proj..
BingoBoingo: A few other photos of this flavor
BingoBoingo: Not the only smiler
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: even possible that this is the torch d00d. ( supposedly they often feel irresistible desire to stand in crowd and watch )
BingoBoingo: Well, the architecture. Even with the Caribean immigration Centro's population is quite a bit more pale.
BingoBoingo: Looking at photos, the neighborhood kinda looks like Centro in MVD
asciilifeform: interestingly, the connection b/w great ships and serious wood , is not entirely gone in modern time -- sov type 636 submarine has shaft bearing from lignum vitae
BingoBoingo: Local stores are stocked up on split dry eucalyptus for the winter
BingoBoingo: They could use some engineered plastiwood
BingoBoingo: Well, there's all sorts of old growth hardwood in Brasil. The thing is not all woods are equivalent. Oak and redwood have some rather different properties.
asciilifeform: bvt: i dun expect any oak. for 1 thing, most of the old-growth wood of the kind which built the great cathedrals, sailing ships, etc. is gone.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a photo from some (argentine?) church where there was specifically sign about 'cracked stones are being replaced with plastic'
bvt: yes, this is a point; i don't believe they'll even try to use oak - they have 'modern, improved' materials these days
BingoBoingo: Well, those were the Germans of the 1940s and 50s. These are the "French" nearly a hundred years later.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 19:55 mp_en_viaje: a well, i guess that's another "europe from the 90s" girls don't get to see.
bvt: the only smaller item in my pipeline is unrolling comba for ch10 multiplication; and i'd like to give a shot a 'kill /dev/random and /dev/urandom' experiment, replacing them with buffers than can be directly fed from userspace, but this - even later.
bvt: hello. just to give you a bit of information: i am alive; i'm pretty short on work time this month; given that this did not cause any further discussion i will stall it for some time.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/after-sentencing-brits-reveal-they-tried-and-convicted-alleged-dread-pirate-roberts-2/ << Qntra -- After Sentencing Brits Reveal They Tried And Convicted Alleged "Dread Pirate Roberts 2"
asciilifeform: in keeping with past material, the humantext weights substantially moar than the actual proggy..
asciilifeform writes these by hand, so if anyone sees a broken htmlism plox to write in
mp_en_viaje: yeah, you got me there... pretty sure a few instances of blink on trilema.
mp_en_viaje: wtf is the rest, chicken butts ?
BingoBoingo: Naturally, as well as IS claiming credit in retaliation for the Tarrant dude in NZ
mp_en_viaje: i was just talking about the cucky frenchies with cab driver,
BingoBoingo: Well if the WTC did...
mp_en_viaje: holy shit the spire actually collapsed
BingoBoingo: Becames the ruins of Notre Dame
a111: Logged on 2019-04-15 16:23 phf: i've switched to the new url rendering approach, it's a bit invasive, so if things seem broken when it comes to urls, please let me know
mp_en_viaje: o look, let's then try this ] [ [[[ ]] ] ]] ] ]]] []-[] ][].[] [xxx]/[yyy] p-p-p-arser breaker!![!!
phf: ok, fixed. anyway, i'm not so much concerned about the renderer as i am about the bot falling out on some corner case trying to annotate. i should probably put a guard around annotation, since they do all kinds of stuff now.
asciilifeform: right, i searched for square bracket and it seems to do Right Thing in the returned lines
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 18:46 phf: mircea_popescu: is the idea that message like logotron will render it as just "logotron" in html?
phf: i've switched to the new url rendering approach, it's a bit invasive, so if things seem broken when it comes to urls, please let me know
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 19:42 mp_en_viaje admires peterl's tireless google faith. "mayhap he just didn't put the right magic string in the magic box ?"
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908448 << I just wanted to find out in what ways the items I found were lacking, my initial understanding of what asciilifeform wanted was incorrect, and looking at those examples helped me understand what he wanted
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/hauptbahnhof-and-other-visual-stories/#selection-403.0-403.8 << oh hah, they've carried on re-painting'em since last i saw
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/hauptbahnhof-and-other-visual-stories/ << Trilema -- Hauptbahnhof, and other visual stories.
mp_en_viaje shall be budapesting tomorrow, and then we see.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Amy+Goldsmith+and+Marjory+Kaptanoglu&t=ffsb&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aznude.com%2Fmrskin%2Fangelagrant%2Fbaredeception%2Fgrant-bare-n-1.jpg
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-14#1908488 << macdraw was the actual implementation. vector, integrated with their notion of vi, whatever. came short of the actual design, which was specifically your "wtf, boxes and arrows on computer already".
a111: Logged on 2019-04-14 01:39 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908473 << 100% accurate summary of ameri-'software' kabuki theatres
asciilifeform: presently , it aint even clear to asciilifeform that it is possible to produce a pc-iron lisp that isn't doomed to resemble that pile of shit, simply on acct of the hostility of the iron to any kind of sense
asciilifeform: then again when phf brought up 'hey didja look at the internals', and i did, barfed mightily; the notion of cleaning sbcl makes the gnat work look trivial in comparison, ~whole thing is a pile of gnarly x86 hackolade
asciilifeform: even ordinary sbcl with graphics awareness, could theoretically do the job, i.e. the item laddel threatened to produce. but this also dun exist.
asciilifeform: without it, ~impossible to bake the type of item contemplated in that thrd.
asciilifeform: while on subj, 1 of the lost atlantian technologies i intend to saw out of bolix, is the sane graphics stack
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 19:42 mp_en_viaje admires peterl's tireless google faith. "mayhap he just didn't put the right magic string in the magic box ?"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908481 << the time for his supporters to 'support' was ~before~ he ended up in the mousetrap where kept warm for usg for 7y
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 20:25 mp_en_viaje: therefore, the institution has ~nothing to lose by behaving irrationally, and everytrhing to lose by behaving "out of character". if the play / libretto calls for your doing X, there's no financial outlay that'll convince them to do Y.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908473 << 100% accurate summary of ameri-'software' kabuki theatres
asciilifeform: ... even was instrumental in installing the xray sys, i have this 2-body harness...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908455 << entirely srsly, i dun think i could replace the functions of the pet for 60k
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908449 << nah, just ran outta patience . if he ever returns and answrs , then new rating, but until then 'read only' is descriptive
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 19:40 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908374 << lulzily, ~the original problem apple was even invented to solve.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 19:06 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908325 << there may be someting in there, have hexagon/square mesh with specialist cells or w/e crazy surface covering mixes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908439 << aaha, that was what i was thinking to draw, leading up to the barf thread..
mp_en_viaje: yet idiot didn't have the sense to maintain his own platform etc.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 01:42 lobbes: i.e. from what I can tell, much like the republic makes a safe space in the -public- domain for humans to be human, a master makes a safe space in the -private- domain for girlz to be human
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908431 << his problem seemed rather of interface, "how to harem on its own power, rather than an exercise in the same distributive non-economics as pantsuit world". not an invalid line of reasoning, either.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 16:28 asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-power-of-nyet.html
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 00:13 BingoBoingo: Less about leverage and more... they were lucky enough to give you a contract in spite of HR. Is there actually someone making decisions or is this a Home Depot that figures they'll luck into another giveashiticus eventually.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908421 << or more properly put, "imagines themselves ~the necessary center of any possible world~, so that anyone and everyone is compelled by the power of inca jesus to work for them on their terms without exceptipons". http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510037 quite relevant.
mp_en_viaje: the billions are conventional anyway, see. breaking convention === world ending.
mp_en_viaje: so in practical terms, they have ~0 problem with losing out on however many billions, but will NOT pay you more than X, or make an exception to their "code of conduct" to accomodate your fucking interns if you feel like it, or anything else. pretense above sense, you see.
mp_en_viaje: therefore, the institution has ~nothing to lose by behaving irrationally, and everytrhing to lose by behaving "out of character". if the play / libretto calls for your doing X, there's no financial outlay that'll convince them to do Y.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-13 00:04 Mocky: They way they have folks scheduled to rotate off of my project, at the time my contract is up I'm going to the only developer who will have been on the project for more than a few weeks, I'll still be bringing the newbies up to speed. So I expect to have substantial leverage.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-13#1908420 << don't expect rational op. most of this "it" crap is entitrely anti-economic, just a cover-up for social security payments, there to keep up the pretense of a working economy as opposed to the bare reality of a purely loot-distributive system. because [they think] the chinese couldn't face said reality.
mp_en_viaje: most generally, the less you try to live in the fictional pantsuit world, the more you're stuck living irl.
mp_en_viaje: so no, the less you look at some cunt as some sort of divinity totem, the more able you are to put her to some kind of useful work. the less you're impressed with the hurr durr of "romantic comedies", the more capable of actual hapiness the subservient ambiental female becomes. and so following.
mp_en_viaje: / sociopath" nature. they stem from his own fucktarded assumptions ; not sharing in those assumptions means not paying their (very burdensome) cost, means being able to engage in "magic" feats that are "impossible".
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 22:06 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908406 << at work when I'm the only one who can answer for issues peripherally related to our project even though I'm the newest, coworkers act as if I'm some sort of different species. maybe I'm a member of homo giveashiticus and they aren't, who knows. But no, I don't expect mp has martian dna and that success in some particular realm is thus unattainable.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908415 << there's absolutely no magic involved. that is ~precisely~ the catch, every moron out there, from first to last, is wholly dependent on a large pile of "magic" being "accepted as part of everyday functioning of reality". orianj dood's problems with this world don't stem from my imaginarily "alien dragon of pure energy
mp_en_viaje: but in any case the first's gonna be a lot closer to a partner than anything, so pick one with some business acumen and not so much goange-head.
mp_en_viaje: in short, on the basis of your asking the question in that form's rather obvious your outlook's broken in the femitard way. patriarchy ftw, own your space you then don't need to ask what to put the slaves at work on.
mp_en_viaje: (meanwhile retarded innocents open "pizzerias", but the same principle really)>
mp_en_viaje: i suppose "videochat" is the lowest financuial capital investment (in the sense every poor schmuck can attempt it) / "spa" aka beauty salon is the lowest human capital investment (in the sense any tardashian can do it), which is why every two bit wanna-be mp is being a "businessman" while the gfs work these.
mp_en_viaje: is she any good at doing girly shit, can set her up with a beauty salon out of maybe 50k at most, does she like to drive, can get her a taxi license. is she the smoothest tongue you ever saw get her a real estate practice, she can work rents. solutions to specific problems have to be specific, yes ?
mp_en_viaje: how much are you currently paying for the driver(s), garner (s?), maids, scullery and otherwise, and so on ?
mp_en_viaje: every place you live in will require someone to mop and broom and go behind the toilet on her bare hands and knees, are you currently hiring someone to do this or are you just pretending it no longer is something that has to be done because "progress" in "modern democracy" ?
mp_en_viaje: but outside of that, what can she do, and what do you control ? is the dentist in whose practcie you're the silent partner looking for a hygienist ? is she all into yoga and ready to post butt tri-daily on her youtube channel ? were you employing a dumbass to do a dubious job of paralegal work tha tshe could be trained within two weeks to take over, thereby saving not merely the salary, but also the government burdens ? (if you cut a 20k a year em
mp_en_viaje: it's not some kind of universal... well, i suppose it could be, if you were an actual pimp, then every girl is +ev by working the street.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 21:29 Mocky: ah yes. More specifically, I don't wonder about making chix rise from the earth, but how to make it +ev starting with the first, as opposed to adding the 6th
mp_en_viaje admires peterl's tireless google faith. "mayhap he just didn't put the right magic string in the magic box ?"
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 19:57 asciilifeform: 'you thought you could put little arrows from one place to another in'em without hand-diddling coordinates for each one ?'
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908374 << lulzily, ~the original problem apple was even invented to solve.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 19:41 asciilifeform: that capability was there in fucking 1972.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908360 << well, people of 1972 also didn't need newsweek to explain how the news relates to them. so...
a111: Logged on 2016-12-30 17:50 mircea_popescu: phf here's the problem : moder(field) consists of take field, redefine it in a practically useless but superficially persuasive way, then bad_words() to whoever dares ask if your "field" solves any important questions in the field. because of course it doesn't, MIT is the premier institution in science(*) and technology(*) in the werld.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908353 << stupidity is self-reinforcing, is it. the sort of moronic http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-30#1593718 assemblage both rests and produces dysfunctional teaching tools, drawing and display conventions, etcetera.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 15:51 asciilifeform: to briefly revisit ~earthling~ gedanken-fpga tho : it is by no means obv. that the arity has to be 4. anyffin you can tile the 2d plane with, is a legit arity. ( and if you permit 2 or moar types of tile -- then even moar possible options. )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908325 << there may be someting in there, have hexagon/square mesh with specialist cells or w/e crazy surface covering mixes.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908318 << dun confuse the gedanken-fpga lut thrd with the 'ideal alu bus' one. i.e. a 64-bit bus is a set of 64 wires ; a 64-bit ~lut~ otoh is 2^64 sram cells , a planet-sized object , and with 1 lonely flipflop , lol, somewhere inside its molten core
lobbes: of course, while not a 'matrian dna', it is definitely a skill that not many have. e.g. for myself, I'm still learning to discern the essential and unimportant for just myself and my 1 gurl (and, of course, properly *communicate this*, which is a weakness of mine). So, in a sense I get the "watching a bird fly by flapping its wings not sufficient for flying". Learned skill like anything I suppose
lobbes: i.e. from what I can tell, much like the republic makes a safe space in the -public- domain for humans to be human, a master makes a safe space in the -private- domain for girlz to be human
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 22:06 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908406 << at work when I'm the only one who can answer for issues peripherally related to our project even though I'm the newest, coworkers act as if I'm some sort of different species. maybe I'm a member of homo giveashiticus and they aren't, who knows. But no, I don't expect mp has martian dna and that success in some particular realm is thus unattainable.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908415 << canonical trilema (imho) on the subect of "what is role of a master" is here >> http://trilema.com/2017/the-masters-textbook-why-do-girls-seek-you-out/#selection-141.0-145.485
Mocky: they can't hire fast enough. health insurance is big biz evidently
Mocky: it's firmly in the bezel with a massive contingent of folks hired 1st year out of college without having had another job. Enuf 'diversity' in management to keep white men in check, yet somehow with enuf white men to still make sure technical work continues.
BingoBoingo: Well, it's a problem of whether the place is organized sanely or instead organized as a meat grider that eats bodies because they discount the possibility of sanity
Mocky: BingoBoingo: There are a couple smart someones making decisions but I don't know how much involvement they will have with the decision of what to do with me. otoh you don't need to be a someone to respond to leverage
a111: Logged on 2017-05-07 18:52 gabriel_laddel_p: Just wanted to report that I'm in a house with the SSID "Thiel Master", there are no interesting books, the pool is broken, the front yard is destroyed and some idiot was "dirtbiking" on it when I showed up.
BingoBoingo: Less about leverage and more... they were lucky enough to give you a contract in spite of HR. Is there actually someone making decisions or is this a Home Depot that figures they'll luck into another giveashiticus eventually.
Mocky: They way they have folks scheduled to rotate off of my project, at the time my contract is up I'm going to the only developer who will have been on the project for more than a few weeks, I'll still be bringing the newbies up to speed. So I expect to have substantial leverage.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: Well, is there someone you can deal with when the contract comes to its end... who knows enough and has the power... to pay you for being a givashiticus?
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908406 << at work when I'm the only one who can answer for issues peripherally related to our project even though I'm the newest, coworkers act as if I'm some sort of different species. maybe I'm a member of homo giveashiticus and they aren't, who knows. But no, I don't expect mp has martian dna and that success in some particular realm is thus unattainable.
Mocky: yeah I suppose no other way than just trying it
Mocky: ah yes. More specifically, I don't wonder about making chix rise from the earth, but how to make it +ev starting with the first, as opposed to adding the 6th
asciilifeform: nah i mean his www , where described how he goes around and chix rise from the very earth and ask to be enslaved
Mocky: read yesterday's log, you mean there or elsewhere?
BingoBoingo: Well, wouldn't be the first case someone returns to reaudition after a few months of reading if it wasn't long enough
asciilifeform: ^ last , afaik, honest man in the field
asciilifeform: or if it dun exist, what the everliving fuck has erryone claiming to be involved in 'computer graphics' been doing since 1970s ? aside from eating own shit.
asciilifeform: ooooor how about 1 that'll draw a http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2842#selection-716.0-718.2 , without also WHOLE DAY of hand-fiddle , and into a scalable-to-user's-terminal item, rather than bitmap garbage ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: fughet even the logic gates. where's the proggy that'll draw e.g. http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875#selection-1129.0-1343.1 using strictly spec of the relative sizes of the items, and put the captions where they belong ? without WHOLE DAY of hand-fidgeting the coords to only then find that www browser turns it into soup when the moon is in the wrong phase.
asciilifeform: would be, if it didn't ask you to manually shit out the coordinates for each fucking line.
PeterL: did you try https://www.edrawsoft.com/circuits.php ? Is that the kind of thing you are looking for?
asciilifeform: ftr the rectangles in ^above STILL not 100% of consistent requested size. cuz apparently you CANNOT do this with html. or svg. or anyffin else.
asciilifeform: 'you thought you could put little arrows from one place to another in'em without hand-diddling coordinates for each one ?'
asciilifeform: i'm not even raging on acct of 'draw gedanken-fpga', it can happily live for another year without being drawn. but i had to spend fucking MONTH hand-sweating out http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2875 , and similar
asciilifeform: it's a geometric device. and yes, can be explained in text, or in morse code, etc. but really belongs as a manipulable graphic, if you already fucking have a comp that displays these ( or wtf is it for, for lolcats ?! )
asciilifeform: exhausted the (veery generous) 1h time budget i gave to this problem, and with exactly 0 to show for it.
PeterL: only a terrorist would not want to run javascript/adobe/whatever shit they are served to do this task ...
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 20:50 asciilifeform: in other idiocies, 'you are rightly observing that svg doesn't support word-wrapping directly. however, you might benefit from foreignObject elements serving as a wrapper for xhtml fragments where word-wrapping is available.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760910 << thread from the ~previous~ time asciilifeform tried to do this kinda thing.
asciilifeform: and sometime between then and nao, evaporated
asciilifeform: that capability was there in fucking 1972.
PeterL: three minute job if you already put in X minutes setting up the capability
asciilifeform: and the notion is esp. outrageous when sitting next to a comp, which theoretically ought to make this a three minute job.
asciilifeform: $item is just slightly too large to draw with pen in reasonable time ( and with asciilifeform's penmanship ) ; but precisely small enuff to be a++ 'animated gif' didacticism -- if, that is, the opensores people actually spent past 20y writing usable soft rather than eating own shit
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in loathesome shitware : asciilifeform when woke up thought, 'i'ma quickly draw the gedanken-mechanism for mp' . went then 'with what ?' -- turns out, erry single didactic digital logic drawing thing, run in either java, or winliquishit, or is opensores linuxturd that builds but then displays blank page, or similar...
PeterL is chemist, but I don't do much with spacegroups these days
PeterL: the wallpaper thing you linked made me think of spacegroups, yes.
asciilifeform: PeterL: iirc you were a chemist -- recall the 2d crystal spacegroups
PeterL: so if you have your tile in a 3d cube, then 6 bits would cover four directions plus up and down?
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit ~earthling~ gedanken-fpga tho : it is by no means obv. that the arity has to be 4. anyffin you can tile the 2d plane with, is a legit arity. ( and if you permit 2 or moar types of tile -- then even moar possible options. )
asciilifeform: ^ astro puzzle : calculate the minimal propagation delay in this 'fpga'. ( just how close can one park a jupiter to another before they merge.. etc )
asciilifeform: this gets even lulzier tho -- each bit in a lut is there because it connects to a neighbour (e.g. in the 4bit example from earlier thread -- 4 neighbours ) . nao picture the galaxy of 'neighbours' for the 64bit item...
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908318 << dun confuse the gedanken-fpga lut thrd with the 'ideal alu bus' one. i.e. a 64-bit bus is a set of 64 wires ; a 64-bit ~lut~ otoh is 2^64 sram cells , a planet-sized object , and with 1 lonely flipflop , lol, somewhere inside its molten core
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 15:58 asciilifeform: ( i.e. one would have to put in mircea_popescu's specced exponent bitness where 'Bitness' is in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/fz_modex__adb.htm#85_14 , to get the speedup )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 02:30 asciilifeform: ( by asciilifeform's napkin estimate, there are possibly 52 bits of addressable electric memory on planet3 atm.. )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-12 02:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908273 << i neglected to add to this: the wider the lut, also the slower ( why -- will leave as exercise, but it aint difficult to figure out )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-12#1908306 << not the slower in proper comparison. 1 64bit-wide faster than 8 8-bit wides, even if slower than 1 80bit wide.
asciilifeform: see also ye olde fable re the sultan's chessboard.
asciilifeform: ( by asciilifeform's napkin estimate, there are possibly 52 bits of addressable electric memory on planet3 atm.. )
asciilifeform: ( picture, 1st fella to solve the exercises, gets prize, a sample fpga, lol )
asciilifeform confronts the fact that he's prolly doomed to pen a ffa-style vlsi tutorial 1 day..
a111: Logged on 2019-04-11 19:45 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the sq.metrage of cell grows exponentially with bitness of lut
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908273 << i neglected to add to this: the wider the lut, also the slower ( why -- will leave as exercise, but it aint difficult to figure out )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-11#1908303 << for folx w/out the spare cycles to read the orig horror -- classical nsaware , complete with 'null ciphers' , 'negotiations', etc lulz
asciilifeform: but i'll be the 1st to admit that i have not even the faintest clue of how could amortize . considering e.g. fg experience.
asciilifeform: granted i ~could~ have heathens bake coupla hundred dies, for the cost of e.g. that bolix
mp_en_viaje: ayway, the economics of yields etc will, i expect, be quite different for republic than they're in empire.
asciilifeform: as i described in last yr's thrd, would 1st have to invent some -- even hypothetical -- means whereby +ev
mp_en_viaje: there's also that.
asciilifeform: it aint as if i have a queue of folx at the door demanding clean fpga lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: you wouldn't want to even consider baking unless ~very~ concrete idea of what (and simulated the thing)
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: As slow as this month started, it seems the lulz are starting to heat
asciilifeform: like the solar panel people do.
asciilifeform: ~then~ can bake as large as dinner plate if feel like.
asciilifeform: as illustrated in yest. thrd, 'many small lut' give you , among other things, a means of working around crystal defect.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is prolly the #1 noob q of folx digging into subj. answr is yield, it is why 'pentium' isn't fist-sized
asciilifeform: sram is really the degenerate case, '1 giant lut'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, why does the die have to be that small ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, the keks multiply!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the sq.metrage of cell grows exponentially with bitness of lut
mp_en_viaje: seems the just-right both for large and small.
asciilifeform: the basic scheme was invented around 1980 and hasn't much changed (but for the various heterogeneous 'cheats' thrown in by vendors to help cement lock-in )
asciilifeform: there's ~1 way to do it. and various optional lily gilding.
asciilifeform: if make smaller than 4, seems to be (empirically) losing idea, the propagation delays from many small cells eat you alive
mp_en_viaje: but yes, there's not so many ways to do this.
asciilifeform: anyffin added on this skeleton, is a luxury frill. ( e.g. 'express lanes' that go somewhere other than immediate neighbour, or whatever )
asciilifeform: the 17th bit controls whether the output goes ~straight~ to the neighbours, or instead through a d-flipflop.
asciilifeform: in cell : 16 bits form 4bit lookup table (i.e. for any concrete 4bit input, there is unique out.) the inputs come from the north/south/east/west neighbours.
asciilifeform: all the shift regs are plugged in, arse to mouth, in 1 chain. to program the chip, you clock in n * 17 bits, where n is how many cell.
asciilifeform: erry type of homogeneous fpga worx on same principle. you have cell, in the cell, a shift register. for simplest example take 17 bits. (will be clear why shortly)
mp_en_viaje: seems as if morons involved in "management" (called also "adult supervision" in their sad if moronic little universe) decided "it won't seem as serious business to consumers if works both ways"
mp_en_viaje: notice how at the same time a) all subway cars have little pilot room on both ends, 90% of which dark and disused at any time while b) any electronic component, even fucking memory banks, have a "this way in". why the fuck even, it's just memory.
mp_en_viaje: it seems a matter of recorded evidence that ~all these usg-secreted dorks stuck around for as long as their credit here seemed above water, and not longer.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:13 stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, re assange, it's all about ideology. if http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884188 style reference produces point-and-laugh, the gavin in question will be retired. if on the contrary, we react like eg to naggum, the gavin in question will be maintained.
asciilifeform: incidentally, while on subj, asciilifeform's napkin model of item has symmetric power/io pins, can go on board in 4 ways. put randomly on ea. board, wainot, then give it correspondingly rotated config cell stream.
asciilifeform: rrright, hence the fpga model.
mp_en_viaje: of course, note how they can't even issue more on the "full faith and credit" budget, stuck involving the imf's piggy now,
a111: Logged on 2019-04-06 23:42 asciilifeform: right, the problem is specifically that it's happening somewhere other than my kitchen.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the funniest part is how ridiculously stupid-cuntlet the usgistani became meanwhile. they're so well burned being humiliated over their impotence, they'll only "indict" after they're sure it'll do something. before -- too risky.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-10 20:32 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907891 << thinking about this further, prolly Right Thing would be a hybrid where there's a repeating block of e.g. 32x32x32 cells connected in 'cube' (this, or even larger, would still fit on physically 2d die) arranged in n x m matrix
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907956 << possibru, there's no speciffic gain from hand-assembling the cube necessarily. possible trade-offs of cubes-in-plane vs one-true-cube design worth looking at. not yet, of course. but anyways.
mp_en_viaje: i guess the charade was expensive enough, had to come to an end once the imaginary upside, "purchasing influence in republic" became moot.
BingoBoingo: Well seven years in the same hostel full of hostile surveilance equipment... Hard to be relevant. Should have sought asylum in a better hostel.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-25 16:33 mircea_popescu: the guys to whom assange attempted to leak, basically. the "public opinion", whatever.
BingoBoingo: But yes, the liberal "protect all buttspawners" of Reddit cheerleading Assange arrest.
BingoBoingo: Well, when USG is paying 4.2 billion bounties for single derps living in the Ecuador Govt. Hostel London edition...
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in Reddit Liberals discussing the Assange arrest "Julian Buttsange Arrested": http://archive.is/zBVj6
mp_en_viaje: hey, gotta accomodate all the unceasing cuntspawn, with rights, with whatnots.
asciilifeform recalls when the lowest plebe still got 56+kbaud , on land line. then 16kb on '1g', 8 (with lossy compression!) on '2g'. nao next crank of the ratchet.
asciilifeform: i suspect the new buyers of spectrum already moving in, without waiting for '2g' to fully die
asciilifeform: but even they recently signed surrender
mp_en_viaje: "However, some European operators including Telenor of Norway and T-Mobile Czech Republic have suggested that their 2G networks could outlast their 3G systems. As 3G is replaced by 4G and 5G technologies, GSM services are being retained to service legacy machine-to-machine connections, in addition to their extensive voice coverage. "
asciilifeform: they're phasing out classic ('2g') gsm here, and the vintage units soon-ish will no longer connect
asciilifeform: i ended up digging through pile of these when looked for 'dumbphone with whitelist knob' coupla yrs ago
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: well-known scamola. there's a pseudo-nokia 'remake' on same shitware.
mp_en_viaje: nfi, it runs java or some shit. basically loses about 10% of the voice load, can barely understand what user is saying
BingoBoingo: SMS not free here either, funnels derps into Whatsapp as the universally agreed upon replacement.
asciilifeform: lemme guess, it was the faux-razor where emulator in java
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the 'spend $$$/mo' people
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, i don't use the derpy smartphones
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ugh, from direct experience I can tell you some find it very easy to spend 50hours/month calling - I knew girls who were literally ALL the time on the phone
mp_en_viaje: and i started WAY the fuck before ~everyone else.
mp_en_viaje: how the fuck can you spend 50 hrs/month calling is anyone's guess, i'm not sure i spent that long on the phone since i was born
mp_en_viaje: i suspect, specifically because these tards are so awkward, calling someone is "too much pressure".
mp_en_viaje: point in case : 5 euro buys you phone line with all sorts of free, EXCEPT sms. those are 1 cent ea. get me ? voice calls, those are free (in most circumstances, and 3k monthly minutes for the one combination of exceptional things where they actuallt charge something). but not sms-en.