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BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 422299 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1060 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 2 hours, 11 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 656.04, vol: 2447.54486577 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.239, vol: 3250.26899 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 654.2, vol: 15495.29185835 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 655.590192, vol: 93367.19340000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 653.74, vol: 763.61909007 | Volume-weighted last average: 655.165328116
deedbot: [Qntra] US Standards Institute Prepares To "Ban" SMS 2 Factor Authentication - http://qntra.net/2016/07/us-standards-institute-prepares-to-ban-sms-2-factor-authentication/
shinohai: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 422347 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 1012 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 16 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
thestringpuller: miners are defecting from eth to mine ethc
jurov: thestringpuller: cited reasons?
jurov: or just contrarian?
thestringpuller: you can see the difficulty rising on eth stats
thestringpuller: ;;calc 398.8 / 4131.0
gribble: 0.0965383684338
thestringpuller: oh wow they have 10% of the hasspower now up from 5%
thestringpuller: i was going to mine etc, but didn't want to get into huffing inhalants.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 13:38 jurov: or just contrarian?
mircea_popescu: lol look at un-bailed out ethereum version, tripled overnight ?
shinohai: like a steam engine, has paid out dao attacker it appears
mircea_popescu: aha. whole lulz delayed enough to allow payout.
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 issue from last nite fixed, working nau: http://bit-box.org:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x4a75883cc1b1d34c&op=vindex
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: 4298.0 GH/s 164.7 GH/s 25 Jul 2016 21:57:57 UTC 3529.7 GH/s 523.3 GH/s 26 Jul 2016 15:35:03 UTC
mircea_popescu: it's not only that scamcoin-with-bailouts lost 20% in the past 18 hours.
mircea_popescu: it's that the whole scam ecosystem went from 4298.0+164.7 = 4462 to 3529.7+523.3=4053 ie a ~10% loss of interest overnight.
mircea_popescu: such is the wonderful if suicidal power of hard forks, and stephen tual pretending like he's a person, who may speak and have opinions, rather than admitting he's cattle, and should be sold by the pound off hooks in butcheries for a discount over pork bellies.
mircea_popescu: now go qntra it.
thestringpuller: oh wow down to 3569
mircea_popescu: it is free... freefalling...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> now go qntra it. << Working on a draft already
BingoBoingo: But thestringpuller this one could use double coverage since gloating
deedbot: [Trilema] How to correctly value forked chains ? - http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-correctly-value-forked-chains/
thestringpuller: remember no access to Airgap key until 330 EST
mircea_popescu: it's pretty lulzy all round.
mircea_popescu: haha cool.
mod6: shinohai: hey cool!
shinohai: thx mod6 :D
asciilifeform: ' If you are supposed to think and act like a hegemon, but only the thinking part still works, then the result is cognitive dissonance.'
BingoBoingo: "Hegemon Go" would be a smartphone app I could get behind.
asciilifeform: download this app from u.s. state dept.
asciilifeform: doubless, they have it.
asciilifeform: *doubtless
BingoBoingo: Not in the form I imagine it.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 15:23 shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 issue from last nite fixed, working nau: http://bit-box.org:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x4a75883cc1b1d34c&op=vindex
deedbot: [Qntra] Ether Huffing Ecosystem Loses 10% Mining Interest Overnight, Hashrate On Bailout Free Chain Climbing - http://qntra.net/2016/07/ether-huffing-ecosystem-loses-10-mining-interest-overnight-hashrate-on-bailout-free-chain-climbing/
BingoBoingo: The way I imagine it working is you have your assistant/slave/general following you and capturing incidents of you oppressing those who require it, and based on how many points of "Glories" you collect, you get to reward yourself however you wish.
shinohai: asciilifeform: it is a hypothetical keyserver
asciilifeform: shinohai: who did you get to peer with it ?
asciilifeform: i set up an sks node at one point but barfed when i learned that i would have to ask heathens for PERMISSION
shinohai: not currently peered to anyone as far as i can tell
asciilifeform: then it does not function
asciilifeform: at least, not with regard to keys moving in/out.
asciilifeform: sks peerings have to be enabled on BOTH ends
BingoBoingo: $up felipelalli
deedbot: felipelalli voiced for 30 minutes.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ty, fxing though Hastert did have a thing for entering the breech
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: reminds me of 1990s gem 'the mizarian mice'
mircea_popescu: o look at that, thestringpuller had the eth lulz in the logs earlier. wd eh.
asciilifeform: (why they put it ~there~, i have nfi)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo Similarly ten percent of the mining interest in the Buterin blessed << more like 20 really.
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
asciilifeform: i thought orlov was stretching the truth, but apparently not - the new Official Narrative is 'trump is ru agent'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That narrative has been hinted since March
BingoBoingo: Maybe earlier
asciilifeform: anyone here have a 'somethingawful' account ?
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 422376 | Current Difficulty: 2.1349250110751337E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 423359 | Next Difficulty In: 983 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 22 hours, 15 minutes, and 29 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 655.55, vol: 2998.33517588 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 647.0, vol: 4884.87185 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 656.36, vol: 19641.48497918 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 655.563666, vol: 144866.82960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 659.06, vol: 1116.54189106 | Volume-weighted last average: 655.43497803
asciilifeform: ^ in a restaurant.
BingoBoingo: Did someone not use a level when making floor?
asciilifeform: possibly.
BingoBoingo: Also vinyl "tile" in commercial setting?!
asciilifeform: and pretty common outside of the mcfood world
BingoBoingo: Only suitable floor for commercial use is concrete, preferably reinforced.
BingoBoingo: Especially in restaurants.
BingoBoingo: Otherwise how are servers going to evacuate 1000 pound customers with the electric pallet jack and the fork truck?
BingoBoingo: If nursing homes get fined for not doing this why not fine restaurants?
BingoBoingo: Anyways the reason you can't use anything other than concrete is there's no way to deep clean the lesser floor materials
asciilifeform: i generally do not go to places where you eat off the floor...
BingoBoingo: That doesn't mean floor stops existing.
asciilifeform: it means i have nfi why it has to be 'deep cleaned'
BingoBoingo: Because 'Murica. Every now and then a disgruntled customer is going to shit on the floor. That's how food service works.
BingoBoingo: At least in the United States
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ought to vacation sometime, 100 mile from nearest monkeyman
asciilifeform: he will enjoy, i promise
asciilifeform: (the 100 is a minimum)
BingoBoingo: Anyways vinyl your best hope is bleaching with bleach. Concrete you can bleach with concentrated HCL
asciilifeform: vinyl is 'cleaned' by ripping off and new vinyl.
BingoBoingo: And cheap plywood subfloor that probably isn't even oriented strand board?
asciilifeform: what does BingoBoingo do atop of these, such that they require cleaning ?
BingoBoingo: Why plan to limit the subset of acceptable activities when opening your commercial space to the public?
asciilifeform pictures BingoBoingo building himself a house, then licensing with the city as 'grade A abbatoir' just-in-case...
BingoBoingo: Nah prolly just license as "warehouse"
BingoBoingo: or ark
BingoBoingo: Phun Phact, The ark of the covenant was where the Jooz kept their GPG keys
BingoBoingo: But anyways no amount of being able to cheaply rip up vinyl floor makes it suitable for customer evacuating pallet jack
BingoBoingo: And fork truck
asciilifeform: where can i donate to lobby for human fat to be assessed as fuel for purpose of fire code ?
BingoBoingo: I think the political action committee for that is still 2-5 years away
BingoBoingo: I mean if you move to small town midwest you could probably get such a rule done on your own in 18 months
asciilifeform: yeah but then i'd be in smalltownmidwest.
asciilifeform: and would be quite busy, e.g., buggering dead badgers to the tune of a banjo, or whatever it is that one does there.
BingoBoingo: But you'd have fiber internet without signing soul over to Verizon/Comcast
asciilifeform: from where ?
asciilifeform: god drops fibre from heaven, or what
BingoBoingo: From having already been built
asciilifeform: built by whom ?
BingoBoingo: By the people who live in the towns with 5kilo-20kilo people and want the internet to not suck, but they towns aren't so big demoocracy and Rhonda get in the way
asciilifeform: what's a rhonda
BingoBoingo: Towns of that magical size where they can be like "fuck it, let the churches do the welfare"
BingoBoingo: And nearest food stamp, HUD, Social Services office, is either a half hours drive away or a full day's walk away
asciilifeform: any towns with church-curated fiber ?
asciilifeform: might be interesting experience
asciilifeform: and incidentally i am pretty sure that at this very moment i am in a town where the nearest foodstamp recipient is a full day's walk away.
asciilifeform: and no residential fiber, believe or not, to be seen, anywhere.
BingoBoingo: Nah, church doesn't get to touch fiber like town doesn't get to touch welfare
BingoBoingo: Your problem is the coastiness
asciilifeform: how's that a problem ?
BingoBoingo: And these criteria on their own are not enough
BingoBoingo: Coastiness is a problem because it breeds unwarranted self importance due to proximity to bigger cities
BingoBoingo: Coastiness provides bad metrics for competing with neighboring towns
asciilifeform: i am at a loss for how this adds up to 'no fiber'
BingoBoingo: Coastiness also promotes more itinerants and less people attached to their location
asciilifeform: mno. not here.
asciilifeform: this place is perhaps 90+% moneyed retirees.
BingoBoingo: Ah, so their problem is they don't work
asciilifeform: of course not
asciilifeform: why would they
asciilifeform: so far my working hypothesis is that there is no fiber because it dun work on a yacht.
asciilifeform: 'highland communications' << tcp-over-bagpipe ?
BingoBoingo: If bagpipe can carry gigabit
asciilifeform: incidentally it would appear that BingoBoingo's isp ^ costs, ~to a penny, what verizon costs.
asciilifeform: (at the GB tier, actually $100 MOAR)
asciilifeform: so where is the win ?
asciilifeform: if this existed in my locale, i'd be hard-pressed for a reason to switch to it
BingoBoingo: The win is Verizon doesn't eat and Verizon isn't here anymore. Competition is Charter and Frontier.
asciilifeform: tentacles of same octopus.
asciilifeform: (frontier iirc consists now largely of off-loaded verizon units)
BingoBoingo: Sure but verizon units as they were when offloaded so here copper
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you say 'competition', do you mean that you can get fiber from the other 2 ?
asciilifeform: or is dsl somehow 'competition'
BingoBoingo: competition as in "internet that involves wired connection"
asciilifeform: then the matchstick chariot i made as a kid, pulled by beetles, is competition for ferrari.
asciilifeform: (hey it beats on price!111)
BingoBoingo: Except flip who built what vehicle
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I'm trying to find a place to look at seasons for various crops in various states...why is this so hard...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If ford and chevy offer cardboard wagon and you build actual metal truck to serve your need where is the problem?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Because one can not agriculture without having agricultured before
BingoBoingo: It is agriCULTURE not agriGoogleandhopeforthebest
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as 'farmer's almanac'
asciilifeform: afaik in dead tree strictly.
asciilifeform: go, read.
asciilifeform: 'when to plant x' is documented.
asciilifeform: other things - not so much.
BingoBoingo: It is one way to start getting familiar with the culture
BingoBoingo: Different agricultures vary though. We grow loofah for sponge, Preet grows Loofah for eating, etc
BingoBoingo: Sandwich tomato makes awfule sauce tomato, etc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510069 << high up there in the top of idiocies ustards will eat up.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 18:33 asciilifeform: i thought orlov was stretching the truth, but apparently not - the new Official Narrative is 'trump is ru agent'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510092 << this is an entirely novel idea...
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 20:21 BingoBoingo: Because 'Murica. Every now and then a disgruntled customer is going to shit on the floor. That's how food service works.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510108 << this is altogether not such a bad idea. if halon gotta pay hazmat to fly, fatass sure as fuck gotta pay hazmat to be in airport.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 20:31 asciilifeform: where can i donate to lobby for human fat to be assessed as fuel for purpose of fire code ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510113 << really, one does ~exactly what you do : keeps the fuck out of the way of neighbours and works on own pet projects.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 20:38 asciilifeform: and would be quite busy, e.g., buggering dead badgers to the tune of a banjo, or whatever it is that one does there.
mircea_popescu: and wtf is with the "up to" menu. really, 400 dollars buys me "up to a steak" ? fuck that, how about his steak gets him UP TO 400 bucks, whatever i happen to have in my pocket.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck came up with this idiocy already.
mircea_popescu: o btw, how's chandler guo doing ? shall we add yet another skull of an usg-astroturfed-miner to the collection ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you recall the meanwhile-forgotten name of the derp who was doing this "oh i am a miner hurr" posturing maybe 6 months or so ago ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Toomim?
mircea_popescu: there you go.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and wtf is with the "up to" menu. really, 400 dollars buys me "up to a steak" ? fuck that, how about his steak gets him UP TO 400 bucks, whatever i happen to have in my pocket. << German settlement can not prevent every UStard idiocy from intruding
mircea_popescu: fucking hillary clinton, all of them. "very important" and a big deal and "informed" and bla bla for the five fucking minutes the show's on. just like any stripper cum tv anchor / us "corporation" etcetera.
BingoBoingo: Anyways I guess that's the other thing from selecting a midwestern nowhere I forgot to offer asciilifeform, if it took the world wars to get the local paper to print in English the town is probably better than others.
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to see if he actually scraps nato.
BingoBoingo: Or kinda turns Nato into a subscription sorta deal.
mircea_popescu: it's ~the only reasonable move for the us ; but on the other hand it'd make the dotcom bust look like frog's piss in comparison to the bath the globalist "modern democracy" imbeciles would take.
mircea_popescu: 15% lol.
mircea_popescu: http://news.alternet.org/files/screen_shot_2016-07-25_at_6.22.30_pm.png << the graph of ridiculous dreamer "hope". check that shit out, the idiots in the vats are actually saying the hillary electorare IS SLOW.
mircea_popescu: you know, the low information voters and assorted clueless idiots take a week longer than the rednecks to form an opinion. hurr.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck did they spend all that money on smartphones and college debt ; and all that time on social media then ?
BingoBoingo: And Adipositivity
BingoBoingo: And slow because "safe space"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that us citizens have no intellect or spine. a good third of the electorate just wants to vote with whoever's winning so as to then have voted for the winner. that's it.
mircea_popescu: trump's having such a marked advantage so early, on top of a campaign entirely predicated on flattening everything and everyone (and implicitly "the man") draws that chunk of idiots in like shit draws flies.
mircea_popescu: it's unfixable, by now.
BingoBoingo: Basically the contrast is Trump tried to kill the GOP, suceeded. Hillary rode the DNC and happened to kill it in the process.
BingoBoingo: Which is why if one owns a Ranch one must always include "no fat chicks" on their brand. Otherwise horses take quick trip to factory of glue
ben_vulpes: never underestimate the pain of having to scrape a bumper sticker off your 2015 wrx
BingoBoingo: ^ like that ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: the brainbleach where is it
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: ffs man good oh fuck
ben_vulpes flaps incoherently
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo crazy, i get a blocked page
mircea_popescu: and a warning re broken certificate. apparently blocklist.rkn.gov.ru doesn't know how to do this right
asciilifeform: Доступ к запрашиваемому ресурсу ограничен << lel
asciilifeform: why was mircea_popescu connecting via ru ?
asciilifeform: (linked item is 'great firewall of ru' fuckyou page)
mircea_popescu: must be what happened to pop to surface.
asciilifeform: what next, chinese proxy, lel
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510186 << what i'd like to know is what became of that ~other~, quiet usg miner
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 22:26 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo do you recall the meanwhile-forgotten name of the derp who was doing this "oh i am a miner hurr" posturing maybe 6 months or so ago ?
asciilifeform: 'telco 214'
asciilifeform: $s telco 214
a111: Logged on 2015-07-17 01:50 asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, involved unpleasant scraping.
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit javascript, a.b where a, b are strings results in the STRING "undefined" ; whereas a.concat(b) results in a string that's a followed by b.
mircea_popescu: really ? who thought this makes sense and how did they figure it ?
mircea_popescu: 1+addition(5) = 6 ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-26#1510077 << that's the kind of stuff you see at those new retro places, like marivana
a111: Logged on 2016-07-26 20:05 asciilifeform: in other nyooz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/smeg.jpg
deedbot: [Trilema] My First Bitcoin, or How Do I Get Some Satoshi ? - http://trilema.com/2016/my-first-bitcoin-or-how-do-i-get-some-satoshi/
mircea_popescu: ^ if anyone was looking for something to advertise.
deedbot: lru voiced for 30 minutes.
lru: a.b is asking for the 'b' property in the object a, which is undefined (the type, not the string), but since types can be automatically converted, and you're working with strings, the undefined type may have been turned into a string depending on use
lru: a.b is the same as a['b'], since nearly everything in javascript is an object
BingoBoingo: But how does this make baby?
lru: the question was about "holy shit javascript" not "fucking javascript" :-)
mircea_popescu: lru yeah. braindamaged fucking notation tho.
mircea_popescu: btw, you got your pgp reg'd with deedbot ?
lru: no... still mostly watching for now
lru: is there a way to extract help from the deedbot?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i fucking hate the notion of "implicit object".
lru: thanks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-27#1510257 << always despised perl for this (among 1,001 other) reason
a111: Logged on 2016-07-27 03:25 mircea_popescu: anyway, i fucking hate the notion of "implicit object".
asciilifeform: picture a pistol that shoots 'implicit object'.
asciilifeform: (the marksman's head, but how is he to know)
mircea_popescu: somehow the dot became so deeply "concat strings" that i'd first check "who the fuck is regexping this" perhaps ; but it'd never occur to me to say "you know what - it saw a dot it's now looking at a class"
mircea_popescu: just, totally out of left field.
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