mircea_popescu: am i the only one who sees this eerily reminiscent of "bitcoin nodes" situation ?
mircea_popescu: "By the end of April, the couple was completely broke, unemployed, and effectively exiled from a community they had given up everything to join. Jerad reached out to some of the other local voices in the movement, but found that most such activists were big on words, minimal on action, and did little more than post anti-government pictures and rants on the Internet."
trinque: could reinvent the makefile like "ebuild" or w/e, still a makefile
ascii_butugychag: the thing to understand is that we are doing something quite analogous to the invention of... SANITATION.
ascii_butugychag: but i was discussing a hypothetical v-tronic variant of 'portage'
trinque: mkay, how are you going to get gcc shitting consistently then?
ascii_butugychag: it shits out system-specific crud into the build.
trinque: ascii_butugychag: what did you think of my simply checking the hash at the end of a build target?
ascii_butugychag: all of the idiot indeterminate hiss on current boxes will have to go.
ascii_butugychag: and deterministic in the ~bitwise~ sense.
mircea_popescu: "smart people disagree because they do not share priors ; idiots disagree because they can't follow implications"
mircea_popescu: this simply means the port tree is curreently empty
mircea_popescu: rather approx.
mod6: ah, to me that's what i took 'sigil' to mean, 'a seal'. I may misunderstand the language.
ascii_butugychag: this is the proper meaning.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so then what's a seal ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 what'd be your definition/specificiation for the concept of sigil ? << by definition, for me its a cryptographic signature (embossment) of a given input.
mircea_popescu: so atm, as a working theory : the correct working of the nosuchdns script would be a) look in sigils directory and build list of sigils ; b) look in repository (where ?) for what's signed by the sigils ; c) create a sort -u list of the aformenentioned and dump it in hosts as > ratrher thjan >> ?
ascii_butugychag: i dun think i named them
mircea_popescu: i thought sigil was the name of keys in v.
ascii_butugychag: a sigil is a tuple of a seal & the thing-sealed.
mircea_popescu: rather than you know... mess.
mircea_popescu: mod6 what'd be your definition/specificiation for the concept of sigil ?
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 14:13:52; mircea_popescu: lettuce see what trinque ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform davout jurov kakobrekla & co say when they wakeup
mircea_popescu: i suspect that as the century-old (and probably more grounded) view of black people as naturally cowardly and militarily worthless gives way to this purely symbolic "black is the new manhood", extermination approaches.
mircea_popescu: older folk explained it to me. back when they had their various wars, they confronted paraguayans at some point, and managed to sell the slaves on the theory that black men make the best warrirors for which reason they must take the first lines.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i finally got to the bottom of the shocking absence of anyone but caucasians from argentina (it is, literally, the whitest place on earth, up there with romania and i guess montana)
mircea_popescu: Ironically, the Sovereign movement is made up of highly paranoid people who tend to believe that every violent act in recent history is a false flag operation set in motion by the evil government, so the odds of such an event triggering a Revolution are quite slim."
mircea_popescu: "A few take it one step further by initiating violence in hopes of acting as a catalyst for this war. Timothy McVeighs goals, for example, werent just to murder 168 people, bring down a symbolic building, and punish the government for its role in the standoffs at Waco and Ruby Ridge. He wanted to make his mark in history by providing the Patriot movement with the spark that would light the fires of revolution.
copypaste: Anonymous are (rightfully) viewed as losers, or USG themselves, by most thinking people
mircea_popescu: "Million Mask March: Many younger sovereigns are fascinated with ideas of a youth revolution, anarchy, and hacktivism (a portmanteau of hack and activism,) even though the majority of them are not particularly computer savvy. They often call themselves Anonymous and wear the mask and costume of the central character in the movie V for Vendetta."
mircea_popescu: but he wasn't the conductor.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally there was a ragged black fella preaching about 9/11 inside job
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag and there's no argument considered or offered that it's not statal. the discussion is that under some circumstances it is advantageous.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - if anyone here remembers the ancient discussion re naming services, which is how qntra ended up with that name at least in part - this system would be a necessarily optimal solution to that problem. it'd guarantee you need the minimum possible stroke count to get your desired destination.
ascii_butugychag: the whole 'memorable centralized names' thing is inherently statal.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i was always ok with '6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 likes to call himself mircea_popescu so why not'
mircea_popescu: if i had to bruteforce sha256 to come up with the signature for "trilema.com" i probably wouldn't bother.
ascii_butugychag: thestringpuller: 'wireshark' (read-only)
mircea_popescu: the reference was to explain to copypaste why he can't have both worlds / what the use of current dns arrangement is.
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag ben_vulpes mod6 : is there a way to look at what data messages/control messages are going over the wire or force their invocation in trb? or would that functionality need to be patched in to print to log/accept command from some source?
ascii_butugychag: well it is implicit in the reference to zooko's triangle
mircea_popescu: nobody said they gotta be ?
PeterL: so point the updater using a file
mircea_popescu: not the question.
mircea_popescu: how does v currently know where to connect to build the rotor ?
mircea_popescu: what's the great deal ?
mircea_popescu: the advantage of prototyping is that most major issues you will spend time working on, you encounter AFTER you're done designing.
jurov: are these concepts, like, documented anywhere?
mircea_popescu: but because of the metagame this doesn't actually hold here. much to my satisfaction.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the thing is, the meta-game is incredibly rich and very rewarding. usually the problem with making a game, as an enthusiast, is that fucking hell you know it so it's at best half as fun.
thestringpuller: Eulora has deep gameplay, which creates emergent phenomenon which is by design. The real interesting thing is mircea_popescu has figured out how to do this without spending a million a dollars.
mircea_popescu: on the base of sigils etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the first accounts are from early june, so "nigh on a year" ain'\t really fair. half year.
mircea_popescu: not gonna say who, other than it's not even me!
thestringpuller: WoW killed the MMO, Eulora will rebirth it.
mircea_popescu: well... nobody in eulora there yet.
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thestringpuller: the time sinks in those games are relative unfortunately because it's more effective to leave player wanting more, thus AAA publisher forces studio to make another game
thestringpuller: reminds me distinctly of star wars galaxies before Sony ruined the game.
mircea_popescu: i honestly believe it's the best done game, as far as the underlying "rules" go. owner delusion or not.
mircea_popescu: well the gfx here aren't too advanced,
copypaste: i very much love the concept of a 3d game with a bitcoin economy. i've played a few, but all poorly done.
mircea_popescu: and in fact from the micro perspective i dun recall anything being offered for sale and not selling, yet.
mircea_popescu: one of the most encouraging things about eulora's economy that i see myself is - i keep a running total of player cash and of player assets. and the latter has been a monotonously increasing function ever since forever. the appetite for materials seems outright insatiable.
jurov: copypaste: and do paste the compiler log (whole if possible).
copypaste: i have a few PKGBUILDs in the AUR
mircea_popescu: aha. there's a buncha people that can prolly halp if you get a specific error.
copypaste: i only remembered as i was sorting my inbox and saw the invitation again
thestringpuller: that's understandable. it's like playing dwarf fortress for the first time I 'spose
copypaste: i keep trying on and off to take MP's invitation to play, but i keep being dissuaded by the large effort required on my part :p
thestringpuller: there's binaries copypaste
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 11:16:03; jurov: no, home, usually in the tub
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366164 <<< if they do it right after a run of bootleg liquour, it also disinfects!
mircea_popescu: i tend to do this "X's item" because that's how the republic works. obviously, not how the fiatosphere does.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365829 if you insist on people telling you what you "must" or "we must do" then I'll tell you this: you must study what was done already before spamming opinions around.
gribble: guruvan was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 13 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <guruvan> have the right key in there?
mircea_popescu: lettuce see what trinque ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform davout jurov kakobrekla & co say when they wakeup
mircea_popescu: it also introduces a kinda dubious but possibly useful ddos protector, in the sense that one can run different ips for the meatriver and for the wotdns.
mircea_popescu: it can even run as an antispam service in parallel. if i go 127.0.0.1 doubleclick.net in my file, you won't be seeing any ads from them in your browser, no matter what they do.
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, how the dns was actually designed to be used. the current centralist windowstardian webstupidity only works the way it works because of the userbase. the design is fine, but "everyone"| and "has come to expect" and bullshit like that make people pretend like a suboptimal local maximum is relevant to the graph. well... it ain't.
mircea_popescu: "i want to use the dns for back-up, whenever what ~these~ people use doesn't contain an answer". seems pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: in fact, v-powered /etc/hosts may even be a serious improvement over the current situation.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, a bitcoin vanity address with five specified letters (out of the whole set) takes a day.
mircea_popescu: yes, naming can work like that, if 8chan.co and 94875984375983.jksldak are the same to you.
mircea_popescu: yes. well, look into the zooko triangle.
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the name zooko ?
copypaste: you can;'t take it away from me unless you get the key. that's how naming should be.
copypaste: it's already like that on the tor network.
copypaste: naming based on the bitcoin blockchain is best. i own this bitcoin private key, i own this domain.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck do you think you are that they'd bother to "bid it off" ? they won't bid it off in front of you, they'll just ignore your delusion.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2015 13:23:33; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300279 << so a) you'll spend your life driving between bickering nuts. this is a worse deal than what psychs get, at least there you gotta drive to his office. ; b) the blockchain and everything else is entirely superfluous here. your entire idea is "hey, make me the mp of renting in south africa". maybe they will or maybe they won't but you really don'
mircea_popescu: ha-ha. this is what i'll call the delusion of heysteve, this "they can bid it off", after http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2015#1300465
mircea_popescu: naming is by its nature this : that there will be a group in power, allocating the names, and everyone else can go suck it.
adlai: they can bid it off
mircea_popescu: this goes all the way down to actual working of language. do we power the ns that calls me racist and evil ? do we power the ns that calls tess d'urberville or w/e her name is fat and obama an idiot ?
adlai wasn't aware that there was one single blessed version, DNS is just the good-enough fiat leftover that we have today
adlai: other than?
copypaste: "la florida and other places"
mircea_popescu: and every derp out there in indonesia or peru or wherever saving in dollars in preference of my currency, or his president's currency, has given usg such power.
mircea_popescu: no, the usg has given icann such authority.
mircea_popescu: well yes. your choices are : either have enough power / capiutal / value to acquire enough actual btc to matter in that world ; or else to get used to not mattering in the world ; or else to have even more power and force an alt into being.
copypaste: ICANN has given themselves authority to make new TLDs, ICANN has given themselves ultimate authority over names
mircea_popescu: there is no "real" dns.
copypaste: the one anyone cares about
copypaste: oh sure, but you don't get to create names on the real DNS
mircea_popescu: heck, there was a bitcoin-based thing that kinda worked on that premise. namecoin.
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact you can run a dns server right now, and tell everyone to use it, and for everyone who does use it... your version of the ns will be visible.
mircea_popescu: well, yes, because it wasn't made by idiots. but the fundamental point remains : someone excluded could re-use that article by re-writing 5 words.
copypaste: because the WoT is keybased
copypaste: the wot works better than DNS
mircea_popescu: obviously EVERY naming system will work exactly like the dns, or like the wot works : either be at the table, or be a child looking for parents.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, if half a mil is " you can just forget about that right away." to you, then on what the fuck is your expectation to participate in the workings of society based ?!
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 06:40:37; copypaste: well BingoBoingo, i'd also recommend you read this in case you need a refresher on how DNS actually works http://www.kimmoa.se/The_rotten_and_corrupt_Domain_Name_System/
copypaste: i linked it above in the log
copypaste: therefore DNS is USG
copypaste: do you have a comment on the kimmoa.se article? i think it's spot on but you definitely know all the details already
mircea_popescu: originally i registered the domain with namecheap ; originally namecheap was a great registrar. meanwhile they went to utter shit, the story is both on trilema an' in the logs.
mircea_popescu: copypaste tons of people were affected and the eventual sale was related.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 06:37:06; copypaste: (if in fact you registered trilema.com on the creation day of 2009-06-07)
copypaste: and i wasn't the only one to open cases in bahamas courts
copypaste: interesting mircea_popescu. i won't ask where you got that intel from, but it means i wasn't the only one affected
mircea_popescu: these days, dressed women will have little influence on society.
mircea_popescu: anyway, judging by the [Ticket#2015121310000406] header it'd seem they sat on this for almost a month - from dec 13 to jan 9th. but whatevers, i was just looking for a pretext to throw the whole dns bullshit away anyway.
mircea_popescu: from what intel reports they had a cowboy period ~in2014 when they stole a bunch of domains, got slapped with some suits, lost a coupla worth their income for the decade and settled right the fuck down.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 06:34:49; copypaste: mircea_popescu: i see you're having trouble with internet.bs - they seized a domain of mine without warning before, and only gave it back when i retained a lawyer in the Bahamas; the domain was 8chan.co
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366093 << not exactly, at least not yet. we had an exchange, they backed off. (last i heard was "We have already asked the complainant to contact the webhost as we do not provide hosting services and cannot remove any content from the website. We are awaiting their response and will forward you the details once they respond." which is exactly what one'd expect sane people
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 04:21:48; trinque: hitler doesn't want you to talk to nodes X Y Z, so he barfs up packets with a heathen commands.
mircea_popescu: "lenin, lived ; lenin, lives ; lenin shat in the bidet!"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366053 << i had no idea lenin shat in the bidet before.
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:54:29; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366025 << y'know, reimplementing portage in cl (or whatever, fuck, in fortran if you want) instead of python doesn't magically unbreak the foss ecosystem
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 19:17:09; shinohai: Books too, they had a hard-on for Umberto Eco for some reason, and I could never keep a copy of Foucault's Pendulum
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:51:27; adlai: the fact that i mention foucault all the time doesn't mean anybody pays attention to me obsessively quoting it, either
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 03:48:39; kakobrekla: im not convinced absolutity is the absolute condition for measurability
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 06:21:12; BingoBoingo: Could simulate these changes with benzodiazepine dependence (which is why people who do the Keto thing recreationally start to feel sick when carbs are introduced, ketosis stops and they undergo a drug withdrawal)
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364932 They will laugh at you back with your cravings of sugar.
jurov: he literally said "stfu, the boiler room is not my responsibility"
jurov: lulz were when they asked PM about it while he ran his 3rd pressconference about syrian refugees in month
jurov: no, home, usually in the tub
kakobrekla: natural = in the barn ?
jurov: only few days ago heating in biggest hospital in bratislava fell out and they had to haul women in labour around
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 03:54:17; mircea_popescu: but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp.
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364575 depends which yurp. the slovakistan healthcare deteriorates so quickly that all pregnant women i know did at least consider it.
punkman: !up nikthebookie
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BingoBoingo: K, qntra's slow seems to have a touch of the DDoS. Going to sleep. Anyone who wants to write about Intel's Skylake already having a rowhammer exploit coded for its DDR4 controler feel free to sumbit a piece.
copypaste: BingoBoingo: now i never make assumptions about ownership. quite the opposite. if it's not backed by a private key i just assume i don't own it, less disappointment that way.
copypaste: it has a chance of bouncing back, in the same way that gavin's career has a chance of bouncing back
BingoBoingo: But yeah, my perceptions of the internet continually break and have to recompile
ben_vulpes: copypaste: were you the guy running mp's ads?
copypaste: honestly after this happened to me i went into a deep depression that took months to recover from; all of my perceptions of the internet were shattered. and as an aside that's why i no longer own 8chan
copypaste: indeed. the problem with DNS is how entrenched it is.
copypaste: but, it would be the best system ever made.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
copypaste: BingoBoingo: we all know that the best DNS system is a GPG based one. private key trumps all nebulous ideas of "ownership" and "terms of service".
copypaste: i recommend you retain an attorney in the bahamas like i did
copypaste: i really hope trilema.com will stay online and they won't steal it, but based on my interactions with internet.bs i'm worried
copypaste: people who own domains are absolutely at the mercy of the registering company, because the registering company IS the actual owner according to ICANN
assbot: The rotten and corrupt Domain Name System (DNS; EuroDNS = thieves) - KimmoA.se ... ( http://bit.ly/1RF4Nlu )
copypaste: well BingoBoingo, i'd also recommend you read this in case you need a refresher on how DNS actually works http://www.kimmoa.se/The_rotten_and_corrupt_Domain_Name_System/
copypaste: internet.bs changed my nameservers to IBS controlled nameservers which served their own ads and intercepted all cookies to the 8chan.co domain
BingoBoingo: copypaste: He changed registrars from namecheap when they went derpy web 2.goatse
copypaste: (if in fact you registered trilema.com on the creation day of 2009-06-07)
copypaste: i would further like to let you know that internet.bs has been sold since you and i registered our domains there, of course without notice to us
BingoBoingo: copypaste: I suspect the reason you dislike pete_dushenski aping trilema is he comes from boring Canada and his cool factor and empire potential are limited by that.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: i see you're having trouble with internet.bs - they seized a domain of mine without warning before, and only gave it back when i retained a lawyer in the Bahamas; the domain was 8chan.co
mats: one can't just smash japanesu words together with jenga and expect this to be comprehensible
ben_vulpes: you add new bits and try to not knock the whole thing over
mats: but where is the jenga
ben_vulpes: programmers and their bonzai trees of complexity
phf: the goal was to run it on a libretto and try to eat the first couple of blocks, but it wouldn't even connect to rpc for whatever reason, so i gave up on the whole distraction
phf: ben_vulpes: i'll take at look in the next few days, but one quick comment, fwiw i built it on a 32-bit openbsd.
trinque: hitler doesn't want you to talk to nodes X Y Z, so he barfs up packets with a heathen commands.
trinque: asciilifeform: for my curiosity, if the tubes have mouths, could your patch be used by $enemy to alter the topology of the network in ways beneficial to it?
BingoBoingo: ERROR: BANNED peer issuing heathen command. << Bigger win. Debug.log is fun.
ben_vulpes: the odd unlucky derp attains immortality?
asciilifeform: but, iirc, didn't have USE flags and other niceties
ben_vulpes: lol "the popularity of a tool is proportionate to the amount of time it makes its users waste"
ben_vulpes: tangentially related, i ran across 'sorcerer' the other day. funny little corner of linux, that.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1366025 << y'know, reimplementing portage in cl (or whatever, fuck, in fortran if you want) instead of python doesn't magically unbreak the foss ecosystem
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: until then, we zombie along, throwing maggotrous pieces at people
adlai: in the wider-than-ba sense of 'thread'
kakobrekla: most of the time when assbots drops down i get yelled at but i almost never actually do something about it to bring it back, yet here it is.
adlai: the fact that i mention foucault all the time doesn't mean anybody pays attention to me obsessively quoting it, either
ben_vulpes: one could...email the man.
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <mike_c> let's get that thing out the door and get alf some goddamn bitcoin already
kakobrekla: im not convinced absolutity is the absolute condition for measurability
adlai swears he tried enough times to justify the spam... goodnight now, may tomorrow be soberer and less smeared with shit
adlai: ah there we go.
kakobrekla: theres also absolute stupidity, no?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: the problem, as our mopheaded joo 'discovered', is that even human stupidity is relative
ben_vulpes: don't you dare grow proud of tools that you made to wrap your hands around the shitworld's throat trinque. it's not a symbolics machine!
trinque: I'm quite liking the texture of this turd atm
trinque: the *whole world* is made of shit
adlai: kakobrekla: what are the qualifications? L4? ability to verify deeds? these things have to be selective, to keep out idiots...
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365969 << possibly the same psychological process that makes people proud of impenetrable shell scripts for munging text
asciilifeform: very apt, in that neither came to anything or is ever likely to.
asciilifeform: in the middle ages.
trinque: there was an effort to shit portage onto openbsd
asciilifeform: and theo boils his belt and accordion while 'aggressive queergendered' eat caviar in 'hackathons'
asciilifeform: the founder is willfully blind and surrounded by usg monkeys
asciilifeform: full depoetteringization with ONE MOTHERFUCKING CONFIG LINE or go home.
asciilifeform: the build system is thoroughly infested with crud
asciilifeform: this is prolly the reasonable thing to do.
asciilifeform: iirc when i did netbsd i built for linux and used the compat layer.
BingoBoingo was drunk for most of the chopping so most details are lost to history
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: The one where I apply alf patches to 0.7.2 after finding locations and they usually work
BingoBoingo doesn't remember details of the setup he uses to compile bastard client, should prolly work on that after getting some newsing done
ben_vulpes: i don't even know what the right version *would* be, beyond "not apple's"
BingoBoingo: Is that the right version?
BingoBoingo: Even without that it is clear from the BitBet payout problem that people are running nodes that malleate to low-s
BingoBoingo: It's even been pointed out here before. After the "mysterious" amaclin fellow malleated transactions to high-s the power rangers started operating some nodes that automalleated everything passing through to low-s
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets. << Likely
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hashes to hashes, dust to dust << Gotta keep the dust under control though. Fans and everything.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia << makes me wonder if there are nodes out there that malleate/fellate txs from high-s to low-s and rebroadcast
BingoBoingo: PLS STAHP THE PM'S until I catch up on lawgs
assbot: Logged on 11-01-2016 00:35:16; mircea_popescu: <davout> adlai: it's the same kind of stupidity you'll find in "oh, i'll give away some bitcoin for xmas" << i maintain that my "give a little btc to eager young sluts" beats this "give a little more btc to people you know or are related to that don't want it" by a factor of infinity.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-01-2016#1365659 << I tried this February 2013 at around $20/Bitcoin with a few IRL contacts. Most gambled everything to nothing, the other one lost theirs to a pnoHe blockchain.info wallet.
mircea_popescu wonders if all these people were waiting on winnings to make more bets.
mircea_popescu: clearly bitbet lost a lot of confidence over the bitcoin-sucks debacle
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> yea prb won't relay high-S due to bip-62 << Wasn't even a BIP, was a point update trivia
asciilifeform: the classical pogo (with sata) is now a full $10 more.
asciilifeform: the amazon link earlier is a POGO-V4-A4-01.
asciilifeform: the pogos i bought for conf-3 were POGO-V4-A3-01