Naphex: yeah, don't think they signed it yet
Naphex: that it as far as i know
Naphex: mircea_popescu: they just made public their cold wallet, so people can check they have the funds
Naphex: i think they just published their cold wallet
Naphex: ;;seen tcatm
Naphex: hey so who was running bitcoincharts?
Naphex: get SSL working in that :)
Naphex: hey o/
Naphex: rammy2k2: you run bitcoin-romania.ro forum? right same rammy?
Naphex: did mircea take you out to see the vampires and cheeky girls ?:)
Naphex: so how'd you guys enjoy Romania?:)
Naphex: hey o/
Naphex: bit of a stage fright there i figure
Naphex: but next year
Naphex: its only a 1.30 -> 2h drive to there
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: davout: i would've come but it was all out of VIP tickets
Naphex: hey
Naphex: mircea_popescu: running intel on what?:p
Naphex: where are you pulling this guys out of O.o
Naphex: :D
Naphex: i never read blogs, or cared much about them
Naphex: which got sold off tooo OMV in early 2006
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: :))
Naphex: fluffypony: we are raising fees at some point
Naphex: fees for fiat withdrawal are basic bank fees
Naphex: no trade fees, some fees at withdrawal fiats, and 0.0001 at BTC withdrawal
Naphex: but we run 0% comission soooo :)
Naphex: along the lines where i was thinking:P
Naphex: some incentive there o.o
Naphex: well i was just thinking, rewarding inviters with 0.0001 upon each withdrawal by an invitee
Naphex: more like just rewarding users for inviting other users
Naphex: some customers keep asking for one
Naphex: while we're talking incetives, any opinion on a good referral system for bitcoin exchange users?
Naphex: yep you get filtered down and placed in a bubble
Naphex: then they merged together in the current version, which will always have preferential PageRank
Naphex: that that product split with Google Now / Google
Naphex: twinking PageRank for domains
Naphex: they have been doing that for ages
Naphex: its true :)
Naphex: is there no RDS in TM?:)
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: it started here, with TVS (The TV network)
Naphex: yep
Naphex: ~16USD
Naphex: mircea_popescu: in oradea Tesari/RDS has Fiberlink 1G/s at 59RON
Naphex: had my own party this weekend, chilling and doing nothing at all :)
Naphex: next year
Naphex: always tought you a Parazitii man
Naphex: mircea_popescu: BUG Mafia, you repping mircea?:p
Naphex: morning
Naphex: to make it up
Naphex: well, atleast we got potholes
Naphex: like that
Naphex: there'se probably lots of stuff to visit, but i can't recommend much :) my last holiday in romania was when i was 13-14 or something
Naphex: hehe i bet :)
Naphex: fluffypony: tbh no idea, i spend most my holidays going somewhere else :))
Naphex: from here / Oradea
Naphex: TM, is a 2 hour drive
Naphex: hey mircea_popescu meeting is going on in timisoara?
Naphex: pff
Naphex: morning
Naphex: evening
Naphex: !down
Naphex: its true :)
Naphex: hehe thanks for the rate ^^
Naphex: i can verify
Naphex: nah you get you need wot>0
Naphex: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/22/iphone_5_touchid_broken_by_chaos_computer_club/ back in '13
Naphex: fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p
Naphex: their response http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/cgt6xs5 :)
Naphex: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/
Naphex: every
Naphex: just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day
Naphex: i don't have anything against C
Naphex: some parking meters for poland
Naphex: few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport
Naphex: yeah
Naphex: all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly
Naphex: http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/cat/urban+transportation?var=2 some stuff i did
Naphex: yes
Naphex: and lots of backends
Naphex: embedded and industrial app development, in software
Naphex: nah - no banks
Naphex: a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data
Naphex: i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural
Naphex: money is important for everyone ;]
Naphex: nah its serious stuff
Naphex: phew :))
Naphex: probably
Naphex: everyones
Naphex: ?
Naphex: realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :)
Naphex: bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: using romanian voodoo magic ;]
Naphex: he senses power loss 20 minutes early
Naphex: there's a slave there who does it :))
Naphex: coloc
Naphex: bounce: diesel backup ;]
Naphex: :))
Naphex: obviously
Naphex: psql
Naphex: java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores
Naphex: Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P
Naphex: bounce: in memory, sql back stores
Naphex: bounce: yes
Naphex: worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion
Naphex: roll back everything to point in time X
Naphex: bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy
Naphex: when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter
Naphex: shutdown and reload
Naphex: bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again
Naphex: and not break much sweat
Naphex: Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic
Naphex: time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;]
Naphex: and i never get too feel much performance increase yet
Naphex: too bad i run this on 32 core
Naphex: i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native
Naphex: davout: nothing is
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O
Naphex: why care about that>
Naphex: i dunno
Naphex: dogecoin .scale 8
Naphex: USD scale .2
Naphex: and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right
Naphex: i have multi-currency support handled in the engine
Naphex: mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well
Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://java-performance.info/bigdecimal-vs-double-in-financial-calculations/
Naphex: bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend
Naphex: is from a java / rpc server standpoind :]
Naphex: easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced
Naphex: this around the location where i live
Naphex: hard to find good C programmers vs java ones
Naphex: programmer availability would have been another one
Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: bounce: down to data packets for specific services
Naphex: Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting
Naphex: Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns
Naphex: bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before
Naphex: or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P
Naphex: doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java
Naphex: Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it
Naphex: nothing to qq about
Naphex: everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :)
Naphex: NIO classes are awesome
Naphex: its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze
Naphex: its got hard types, you get away from low level
Naphex: imho
Naphex: nothing to dislike about it
Naphex: and i do C, C++ as well
Naphex: i like it
Naphex: runs pretty good
Naphex: don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P
Naphex: BigDecimal performance nicely as well
Naphex: Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh
Naphex: its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets
Naphex: i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh
Naphex: and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it
Naphex: plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser
Naphex: php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data
Naphex: Apocalyptic: java for the backend
Naphex: Apocalyptic: lol no
Naphex: bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security
Naphex: bounce: setup of what, like the workstation?
Naphex: danielpbarron: one of the main programmers behind it
Naphex: hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week
Naphex: already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data
Naphex: thanks
Naphex: mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D
Naphex: mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P
Naphex: for cooking, was named after him i think
Naphex: former Horea Oil
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yes
Naphex: mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:(
Naphex: thanks even
Naphex: worked, thans
Naphex: public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc
Naphex: mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included
Naphex: mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner
Naphex: mircea_popescu: mostly coding
Naphex: how nice of em
Naphex: akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl
Naphex: alright, thanks
Naphex: anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections to buy some ad space on it?
Naphex: don't do much OTC to get rated
Naphex: tbh this might be an annoying system :]
Naphex: thanks
Naphex: there is no vat
Naphex: about 50k eur
Naphex: as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON
Naphex: mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit
Naphex: bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office
Naphex: bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;]
Naphex: mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;]
Naphex: there we go.
Naphex: ;;ident Naphex
Naphex: i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :)
Naphex: lol
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: in order too keep this channel cool
Naphex: people here should stop talking about turbo pascal
Naphex: throw in some C optimizations if things are slow
Naphex: but for serious stuff i usually prefer java
Naphex: daybyter: java, c, py, whatever i might need
Naphex: benkay: you use it to experiment and have some fun, then switch to something else for real life
Naphex: they should've used that as a namespace separator
Naphex: real php ceo would use a mix of all caps, camel case, underlines, and dashes
Naphex: probably the fake php ceo
Naphex: ;o
Naphex: java?
Naphex: all gather around
Naphex: like alien technology
Naphex: lol
Naphex: haha
Naphex: and some of the scheiner warnings https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/the_nsa_is_brea.html
Naphex: https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ for those who still remember
Naphex: i have used both in some embedded work, when something lighter then openssl was needed.
Naphex: Polar has dual license while cyassl is gpl
Naphex: used in openvpn and cyassl was/is used in mysql
Naphex: but more aimed for embedded work
Naphex: there is PolarSSL and CySSL
Naphex: morning
Naphex: who, steve?:)
Naphex: pretty sneaky boundary check bug ;o
Naphex: http://cvs.openssl.org/chngview?cn=22271 - and this is the changeview
Naphex: march even
Naphex: the checkins for 14 Marhc
Naphex: for the bug
Naphex: https://web.archive.org/web/20130102200332/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - still cvs
Naphex: https://web.archive.org/web/20130202155024/http://www.openssl.org/source/repos.html - move to git
Naphex: atleast that went right.
Naphex: until 12.00 GMT+2 mostly everything was vulnerable, and as the sploit went public everyone started sniffing everything.
Naphex: i'm guessing that was the logic behind it
Naphex: then you get sniffed for all you have
Naphex: so you go compile from source to get ECDH, to avoid stupid encryption restrictions
Naphex: i got screwed cause i had to compile from source to get ECDH.
Naphex: imo, definitely a planted bug.
Naphex: just write some code and point it
Naphex: mircea_popescu: you can basically sniff whole SSL trafic with Heartbleed.