#trilema | 2014-04-17

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: well, its good in the sense they did open the bar, its bad that im alone :) << geeks. travel with girlfriend, to new town, still is alone. 4EVER ALONE!

kakobrekla: lol

kakobrekla: lampelina stayed at home. :|

mircea_popescu: lampelina any purses left in town or didja store them all in the hotel vault ?

mircea_popescu: ahahah what!

kakobrekla: lol

kakobrekla hides.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so go pick up someone.

kakobrekla: nah is no biggie, i like being alone really.

mircea_popescu: if all else fails, ask the reception desk for the massage salon and ask the girls there where they keep the girlfriends.

kakobrekla: lol

mircea_popescu was being serious that time.

kakobrekla: i know :|

kakobrekla: :D

mircea_popescu: well anyway, sucks, i was looking forward to meeting your other boss.

kakobrekla: lel

mircea_popescu: jurov: looks like not <<< he sounds.... disappointed ?!

kakobrekla: well you know you are welcome to visit .si

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'll tell you honestly what happened.

mircea_popescu: i tried. like 5 times.

kakobrekla: liex

kakobrekla: lies

mircea_popescu: i keep ending up in austria, hungary, austria

kakobrekla: lol

mircea_popescu: it's like... uncanny

mircea_popescu: can't stop the car fast enough

kakobrekla: did ya miss the left turn?

mircea_popescu: who the fuck is isec

jurov: "looks like not" made impression i don't want to come?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096205 = 12.1218 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: also kakobrekla since you're alone and have internet, please work :D

mircea_popescu: jurov a no, just, made the impression you were hoping for something serious

jurov: lol

kakobrekla: i am! bbet banner is up, mails were replied to.

mircea_popescu: "maybe it's typhoid!"

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yay!

kakobrekla: ;)

mircea_popescu: i guess you can have a new drink on me then :D

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6721 @ 0.00096185 = 6.4646 BTC [-] {2}

kakobrekla: ill take it!

jurov: and thx for the double room, but wao already made arrangements

mircea_popescu: anyway, going to get my cocked sucked, then get dressed, cya later all!

jurov: or maybe i'll abduct someone else >:]

kakobrekla: call me if im not in a hotel ill be near mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what, your cell works here ?

kakobrekla: it shouldnt?

mircea_popescu: i have no idea. anyway! laters.

kakobrekla: later

fluffypony: kakobrekla: I must've missed this, but where are you and what for?

jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition

ozbot: The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

jurov: fluffypony this ^

fluffypony: tks

jurov: i'm going too

kakobrekla: fluffypony in the bar, to have drinks.

jurov: 1. drink 2. work 3. drink moar ... profit!

fluffypony: very cool

fluffypony: maybe next year the wife and I will go visit the in-laws in Germany and then come through for that

Naphex: pff

Naphex: hey mircea_popescu meeting is going on in timisoara?

kakobrekla: yes

fluffypony contemplates a Romanian holiday

Naphex: TM, is a 2 hour drive

Naphex: from here / Oradea

fluffypony: Naphex: what parts of Romania do you recommend seeing if we had to holiday there?

Naphex: fluffypony: tbh no idea, i spend most my holidays going somewhere else :))

fluffypony: lol

fluffypony: come to South Africa on holiday

fluffypony: it's beautiful here

Naphex: hehe i bet :)

Naphex: there'se probably lots of stuff to visit, but i can't recommend much :) my last holiday in romania was when i was 13-14 or something

Naphex: like that

kakobrekla: romania reminds me of bosnia tbh.

kakobrekla: mp is gonna be mad when he reads this but its is what it is.

kakobrekla: all thats missing is bullet holes in the buildings

Naphex: well, atleast we got potholes

Naphex: to make it up

kakobrekla: a few years back there were still holes from grenades in sarajevo

kakobrekla: on the road.

kakobrekla: prolly fixed by now

kakobrekla: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/cryptsy-in-disarray/2014/04/17

kakobrekla: another one bites the dust

fluffypony: kakobrekla: I think they're just on a dogecoin fork and are reloading the blockchain from scratch

kakobrekla: dogecoin eh

kakobrekla: so in the end its more trouble than its worth

kakobrekla: AMAZING JOB COMMUNITY

fluffypony: they've been on forks so often

fluffypony: when you've got an scrypt coin with the entire network hashrate of < 20mh/s it's a joke to end up on a fork

kakobrekla: dogecoin is 20mh ?

kakobrekla: how much gpus is that

kakobrekla: (i have no experience with scrypt)

fluffypony: no, it's not, but other coins are

fluffypony: dogecoin is reasonably large atm

kakobrekla: can we estimate gpu count?

fluffypony: "networkhashps" : 84463584340,

kakobrekla: how much scrypt hash does 500mhahs sha gpu make

kakobrekla: ?

fluffypony: ok so the network hash is about 84gh/s atm

fluffypony: and a 7950 hashes at ~700kh/s

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 154 @ 0.00069772 = 0.1074 BTC [-] {2}

kakobrekla: so are you saying theres 100k gpus mining this bullshit coin

fluffypony: yep

fluffypony: at least 120k

kakobrekla: zomg

fluffypony: (the 7950 is quite performant, there are people with older/slower cards)

kakobrekla: terrible

fluffypony: average card cost is like $200?

fluffypony: $24 000 000

kakobrekla: and burns 200w

HeySteve: hmm yeah mentioned cryptsy failing this morning

HeySteve: be interesting if it falls over

davout: kakobrekla: so you're already in timisoara ?

kakobrekla: since yesterday evening

kakobrekla: anyway , cant sit anymore, going for a walk

kakobrekla: later.

davout: hf!

davout: argh

davout: gonna rain this week end apparently

HeySteve: so the final ruling is expected in June huh?

HeySteve: I will let you guys know if it's accepted

HeySteve: oh wrong window :/

fluffypony: davout: is Instawallet indefinitely dead or are you still peripherally working on a resurrection?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00095288 = 5.8602 BTC [-]

davout: fluffypony: it's dead. i may at some point start working back on it, but it definitely won't be in the same form

davout: fluffypony: if it comes back it'll be some sort of lightweight version of blockchain.info, the URL would be the actual private key for the wallet

fluffypony: yeah I like the way blockchain handles things from that perspective

davout: but i can think of quite a few reasons why that would be a bad idea anyway

fluffypony: well it's a tough space

fluffypony: because anyone "in the know" won't use a webwallet

fluffypony: but there are tons of people who want to

davout: first reason: if the URL is your key, the server will hear about it

fluffypony: davout: BIP38 the key?

davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore

fluffypony: on the client side, I mean

davout: yeah, that would be a solution

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00095542 = 33.1531 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00095801 = 10.6818 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.000957 = 6.699 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0667999 = 0.2004 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096035 = 15.3656 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50005304 = 3.5004 BTC [-] {6}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000659 = 0.1318 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8033 @ 0.00096139 = 7.7228 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0655005 = 0.262 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26208 @ 0.00096374 = 25.2577 BTC [+] {5}

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

mrstickball: thanks

fluffypony: np

TestingUnoDosTre: .d

ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 23 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.0615% in 0d 3h 12m 49s

TestingUnoDosTre: Twenty tree blocks!

mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05271665 = 0.3163 BTC [-] {6}

TestingUnoDosTre: I've always wondered that myself. Perhaps the ability to grow?

TestingUnoDosTre: Pretty unique venue

mrstickball: That is a possibility, but again.. the dividends don't bear that out

mrstickball: 1% APY since last year

TestingUnoDosTre: Methinks the best chance to gain a profit was purchasing at IPO

TestingUnoDosTre: Past years dividends don't reflect much on say the next 2 to 3 years though...

mrstickball: certainly, but why so much volume?

mrstickball: you're looking at >100 BTC volume in the past day

TestingUnoDosTre: It's probably the the only stock worth trading on MPOE

mrstickball: could be

mrstickball: why have they never listed other companies?

mrstickball: It seems like such an odd model compared to Havelock or Cryptostocks

TestingUnoDosTre: Both of those are outright fucked

mrstickball: Cryptostocks is, certainly

mrstickball: but my point was both try to list new companies

TestingUnoDosTre: Go to bitbet, search Havelock, and see how many people think it will last through november

pankkake: it has listed other companies

pankkake: http://trilema.com/2013/the-list-of-discontinued-assets-on-mpex/

ozbot: The list of discontinued assets on MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

mrstickball: They haven't listed any independent companies in a year if I am reading that right

fluffypony: mrstickball: can't comment on the accuracy/efficacy of this article, but here: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108

pankkake: that seems to be the case

TestingUnoDosTre: I do think there was quite a bit of discontent with the satoshi dice closing

TestingUnoDosTre: But in all honesty, I haven't invested a satoshi in any of these businesses

mrstickball: right

mrstickball: I was just curious because the volume is so.... strange

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.053 = 0.583 BTC [-]

mrstickball: its easily the largest stock/entity of Bitcoin securities, but seems not to warrant it in my view

fluffypony: oh didn't realise, that article I linked to is by asciilifeform

mrstickball: but maybe those that invest in it have access to something I do not

mrstickball: hmm

mrstickball: interesting

fluffypony: who now works with MP on S.NSA

mrstickball: right

mrstickball: which is interesting

TestingUnoDosTre: Ascii is a chick?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.053 = 0.318 BTC [-]

fluffypony: no

TestingUnoDosTre: Also, would like to see how the volume changed if he opened entry fee to something like 5 btc

TestingUnoDosTre: Oh that's just a quote

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you'd have a lot more nervous (dangerous) traders

fluffypony: imho

TestingUnoDosTre: But they would moat likely have a lot less capital to toss around

jurov: what's the problem with using broker?

fluffypony: besides, you can use CoinBr instead of paying the 30 BTC

fluffypony: https://coinbr.com/about

ozbot: About CoinBr

fluffypony: "Account management fee : 0.019 BTC monthly."

TestingUnoDosTre: The fees are more than I pay fidelity

fluffypony: "Buying/Selling/Option exercise fee : 0.5% from traded amount in BTC"

fluffypony: "BTC withdrawals and asset transfers : 0.02 BTC per."

mrstickball: I assume the 30 BTC is to provide some sort of barrier to prove sophistication

fluffypony: R100/month isn't bad for brokerage services

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12549 @ 0.00096751 = 12.1413 BTC [+] {2}

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

mrstickball: thanks

mrstickball: I gotta pull out my gribble OTC keys from my old machine to get back in to the WOT

fluffypony: mrstickball: yes, if you've got the money and sense to invest and play with tens or hundreds of thousands of USD equivalent, the 30 BTC makes sure you know that it's serious

TestingUnoDosTre: And its also counterparty risk

TestingUnoDosTre: It's slightly ridiculous though. Last year, it cost approx 1/5 USD equivalent to join. Where's the added value?

fluffypony shrugs

fluffypony: it'll possibly be revisited at some point, but only MP can answer that

mrstickball: oh well

mrstickball: so what other exchanges are out there currently?

mrstickball: MPex, Havelock, Cryptostocks, Picostocks..?

jurov: and lulzbourse

pankkake: Crypto-Trade

fluffypony: jurov: when are we starting DogeBourse?

pankkake: (me saying that name is not an endorsment far from it)

fluffypony: :-P

fluffypony: mrstickball: Litecoininvest

mrstickball: ah yeah

mrstickball: why'd I forget LTCI

pankkake: oh and CipherTrade is supposed to open one day

fluffypony: CipherTrade (lol)

fluffypony ^5 pankkake

fluffypony: you owe me a coke

fluffypony: mrstickball: http://trilema.com/2012/how-does-one-list-on-mpex/ <- if you read through that and the follow up BitBet article it gives pause...compare that to Moolah's IPO (on their blog) or the stringent "requirements" for listing on most exchanges

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2508 @ 0.00012011 = 0.3012 BTC [-] {2}

mrstickball: I hear you

mrstickball: ATM, I am looking at what my fundraising options are

fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been thinking the same thing

TestingUnoDosTre: Personally, I would find a small group of people to invest initially before ipo ing on a public exchange

mrstickball: I already have a fair amount of backing

mrstickball: I want to make it larger.. a fair bit larger

fluffypony: I wonder how the Lending section on Bitcointalk would react to a LoC listing ala DeathAndTaxes?

TestingUnoDosTre: Well are you running and generating cash flow yet?

mrstickball: yes

mrstickball: $500,000 last year

mrstickball: $100,000/mo currently

mrstickball: just landed a contract with a US retailer to bring mining products to 3 dozen US stores

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-] {2}

fluffypony: mrstickball: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=114507.0

fluffypony: they also did subsequent LoCs for higher amounts

fluffypony: the latter ones are also very good templates for how to do a LoC

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05125 = 0.1025 BTC [-] {2}

mrstickball: interesting

fluffypony: and you don't need to give up equity for it unnecessarily

fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141016.0

ozbot: [Funded] Tangible Cryptography LLC seeks LoC to expand working capital

TestingUnoDosTre: Got a website mrstickball? Would like to check out

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: buyahash.com

mrstickball: BuyAHash.com

mrstickball: We do a lot of mining business on EBay, Amazon, through the eStore

mrstickball: I also snagged a >$50,000 order from a major US computer retailer

mrstickball: so we're looking to work with them to put Bitcoin mining hardware in most states. I know our webstore needs a site revision (working on that currently)

TestingUnoDosTre: Don't care about aesthetics, not too much value to them

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15095 @ 0.00096876 = 14.6234 BTC [+]

Duffer1: mrstickball are you Benny?

TestingUnoDosTre: This maybe a stupid question, but can those miners return a positive roi any more?

mrstickball: yes?

mrstickball: TestingUnoDosTre: which miners?

mrstickball: Grids? GPUs?

rithm: why anyone would still be stupid enough to buy mining contracts is beyond me

mrstickball: its a good racket for the people selling the contracts

rithm: yes. yes i know.

mrstickball: now, something can be said for BetaRigs contracts to IPOMiner

Duffer1: mrstickball are you not going to list on ciphertrade?

mrstickball: you can make a killing there if it works right

mrstickball: Duffer1: we likely are. However, it may be awhile before we can list due to some regulatory questions

Duffer1: i see

mrstickball: so I am simply shopping around and to educate myself further on options

fluffypony: Duffer1: we're also supposed to be an initial listing on CipherTrade

fluffypony: but I admit to a bit of cold feet

mrstickball: we're still committed to CT, but its always good to look around

mrstickball: CT will be great once its up

Duffer1: if it can get up

fluffypony: yeah I'm just nervous about the changes higher up

fluffypony: I had an agreement with Kate

mrstickball: Si will honor the agreement

fluffypony: and that agreement looks to have fallen away

mrstickball: and I can vouch for you

Duffer1: ciphermine shareholders are U-N-H-A-P-P-Y

fluffypony: mrstickball: I've been chatting to him about it

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0665 = 0.5985 BTC [+]

mrstickball: unfortunately, Kate quasi-screwed everyone over

mrstickball: due to health

fluffypony: he's a nice fellow, I'm just letting sleeping dogs lie atm till I figure out my next move

mrstickball: all interactions I've had with Si are beyond fantastic

fluffypony: mrstickball: yeah I know it's not Kate's fault

mrstickball: if Si had been running CM from the get-go or CT from the get-go, there wouldn't be issues

fluffypony nods

fluffypony: I agree

Apocalyptic: Si ?

Duffer1: imo it is Kate's fault, or at least Kate's diseases fault

mrstickball: pretty much

mrstickball: Kate / lack of communication when everything went FUBAR

fluffypony: Duffer1: well there's a lot to be said for a succession plan

mrstickball: they are buying more rigs. I gotta deliver 40 Grids to them shortly w/ the voltage mods

Duffer1: ya would have been nice if there was one

mrstickball: so they do have working capital

mrstickball: Duffer1: I believe they about have that done now

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00097057 = 18.9261 BTC [+] {2}

Duffer1: is Kate bi-polar?

fluffypony: I have no idea, spoke to her on the phone a few times and she seemed quite nice

mrstickball: I wish I could tell you

mrstickball: for awhile, I thought Kate was Jon W's alter-ego or something, because they both disappeared at the same time

Duffer1: Jon W = Deprived?

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

Duffer1: fluffypony what's your project that your listing?

fluffypony: Duffer1: OpenRigs

Duffer1: oh cool

mrstickball: Duffer1: yeah

mrstickball: sorry about the delayed response

Duffer1: no worries

mrstickball: Jon W and Kate disappeared nearly the same day as each other. Seemed odd

Duffer1: you're right, everyone suspects they're the same person

mrstickball: and I started thinking that Kate's last name was Wood, so maybe Jon W = Jon Wood

mrstickball: but all the digging I did for a Jon W turned up a securities guy that stepped in front of a bus and killed himself due to.......get this.........securities fraud

Duffer1: oh snap

Duffer1: how long ago?

mrstickball: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411533/John-Wood-killed-motorway-hours-stand-trial-6-figure-fraud.html

ozbot: John Wood 'killed himself on motorway hours before he was due to stand trial for 6-figure fraud' | M

Duffer1: kate's dad?

mrstickball: I am trying to dig that up

mrstickball: I don't think there was any relation, AFAIK

mrstickball: so that was a dead end, at least from what I saw

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00097078 = 13.2026 BTC [+] {2}

TestingUnoDosTre: Holy shiy

Duffer1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=228327.msg5686030#msg5686030

ozbot: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS)

artifexd: mrstickball: Are the "in stock" statements on your site accurate?

mrstickball: they should be. Once in awhile there may be an item that has to be revised

mrstickball: due to selling out on Amazon, for example

mrstickball: which item are you looking at?

artifexd: The ice-fury usb is the one I had up when I asked

mrstickball: ah

mrstickball: yeah, we have about 60 in

Duffer1: unless someone took over the Deprived account the day of that John Ws demise then it's not the same person

fluffypony: maybe John K == Deprived

mrstickball: that'd also be interesting

mrstickball: Duffer1: right. I just thought it was unfathomably odd that there's a John W that killed himself due to fraud like that in a similar window of time

mrstickball: certainly a strange coincidence.

Duffer1: oh i agree

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00097188 = 9.2329 BTC [+] {2}

TestingUnoDosTre: Ok so that ice fury is for bitcoin right

artifexd: I imagine it would work with any sha256 coin.

fluffypony: mrstickball: well having spoken to Kate on the phone I can confirm she is female and British

Duffer1: female sounding hehe

fluffypony: hah hah

fluffypony: yes

fluffypony: a very effeminate Briton

TestingUnoDosTre: I've calculated 25 month to break even at current diff with no electricity costs

fluffypony: sounds about right

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

artifexd: TestingUnoDosTre: That translates to effectively never

mrstickball: TestingUnoDosTre: on a Grid?

TestingUnoDosTre: For ice fury

TestingUnoDosTre: That's what I'm saying

mrstickball: ahh

TestingUnoDosTre: Isn't the inventory worthless?

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: I think the point is to mine, pay electricity out of pocket, and HODL until BTC has risen sufficiently to profit from it

mrstickball: Just about. The problem is that the factory sent them to me to liquidate them

artifexd: I am not aware of a single asic currently available that will ever make its money back.

mrstickball: I may drop the price a bunch and just throw 'em out

mrstickball: artifexd: they never will if you're looking at paying cash for them vs. buying BTC

fluffypony: you'd be surprised at the number of old BFL ASICs still selling on eBay

mrstickball: but I'd say the catch is if difficulty slows down, you'd be good

TestingUnoDosTre: I know that

artifexd: mrstickball: exactly

mrstickball: mining is a hedge against huge diff increases

TestingUnoDosTre: Opposite

mrstickball: if you weren't seeing 20% diff increases every 10-12 days... it'd be very easy to ROI. But the ASIC arms race is only now starting to slow

TestingUnoDosTre: Mining gets racked against huge diff increase

artifexd: AM almost has gen 3 ready so the difficulty will probably start spiking again in a month or two.

fluffypony: yeah

Duffer1: !up mircea_popescu

assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.

fluffypony: but they are going to reach the limits of easily accessible fab, right

nubbins`: hi

fluffypony: so then they'll have to focus on power efficiency or whatever

mrstickball: yeah

mrstickball: they are just about there

artifexd: mircea_popescu`: I was too slow

mrstickball: 110nm -> 55nm is huge

nubbins`: artifexd: see hostname ;(

mrstickball: 55nm -> 28nm is also huge

fluffypony: yep

mrstickball: but anything sub-28nm isn't going to be as large

artifexd: !up mircea_popescu`

assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu` for 30 minutes.

TestingUnoDosTre: Even with a 10 percent diff increase, diff doubles every 7 to 8 months

mircea_popescu`: o hay

mrstickball: and if you look, daily diff changes are a lot lower

mrstickball: yeah. Its still a bad proposition

TestingUnoDosTre: Daily diff change?

mrstickball: yeah

TestingUnoDosTre: So do you have to pay for the miners, or do you just get commission?

mrstickball: let me find the chart

mrstickball: on this batch of Ice furies, its commission

mrstickball: but that is literally the only line of products I've done commission on

mrstickball: rest I own outright including the 500 Grids in front of me

artifexd: Scrypt asics?

mircea_popescu`: aite, that's all for now :) laters all.

mrstickball: yeah

benkay: have fun confrees

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05341666 = 0.1068 BTC [+] {2}

TestingUnoDosTre: I don't understand what you mean by daily diff change? Hashrate increase?

nubbins`: ugh, cavirtex now requires verification of bank accounts

mrstickball: yeah

mrstickball: let me pull the chart

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.49500074 = 1.98 BTC [-] {3}

fluffypony: nubbins`: easily, or crazy-documentation-required?

nubbins`: easily, but an unexpected speed bump

benkay: nubbins`: you're trading with those criminals?

nubbins`: well, apparently not ;D

mrstickball: http://bitmine.ch/growth.png

nubbins`: needed to turn some btc into CAD sorta quickly

mrstickball: that was the chart I was looking at

TestingUnoDosTre: Kinda retarded here, but how does a network hashrate increase change my ability to find a block at constant diff? Does it drop linearly with hashrate increase?

mrstickball: it doesn't affect it until the difficulty change

mrstickball: otherwise, it drops with the difficulty increase

TestingUnoDosTre: So how is mining a hedge against diff increase?

mrstickball: its a hedge against the belief it increases

mrstickball: e.g. if it doesn't increase, you mine more, and make money back faster

mrstickball: for example.. if you spent $2,000 on a mining rig in April 2013 and $2000 on LTC, and did a buy & hold until, say... December... the rig would have returned far more

mrstickball: because difficulty did not increase between June and October

TestingUnoDosTre: Let's talk about btc here

TestingUnoDosTre: Where difficulty increases

mrstickball: right

TestingUnoDosTre: Because it's quite the opposite

mrstickball: again, the issue is with the declining diff increases

mrstickball: as per the chart I showed you, there's been a steady reduction since the peak in September

mrstickball: from 3% daily to 1% daily

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00097346 = 17.717 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: If I buy a miner, expecting to roi in 180 days at constant diff, even with electricity. Costs factored in, I'm fucked

TestingUnoDosTre: But that's a decline on daily diff increases, not diff increases

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre

TestingUnoDosTre: Just means the diff increase are tapering off

fluffypony: how are you calculating ROI?

TestingUnoDosTre: Let's say you have USD today

TestingUnoDosTre: Question is- purchase btc, or purchase rig

benkay: btc

fluffypony: btc

fluffypony: always

TestingUnoDosTre: No shit

TestingUnoDosTre: So who is buying his rigs?

benkay: unless you're buying in bulk and getting a great deal net 30 on delivery mining's a scam.

fluffypony: benkay: the other exception I've seen is with GPU rigs mining profitable altcoins, as theres always a new pump-and-dump "ASIC-resistant" scamcoin being touted. drive them hard for 2-3 years or until unprofitable, and then part out the equipment to gamers

fluffypony: you can't do that with ASICs

nubbins`: benkay +1

TestingUnoDosTre: The guy has a business selling rigs that will never roi have a remote chance of roi. You're never going to build a returning customer base

benkay: if you're selling mining chips to gamers you're a scammer too.

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: you understand that not every miner wants profitability, right?

nubbins`: if that's your exit strategy, you should probably reconsider as well

nubbins`: "for sale: year-old gfx card, partially melted"

TestingUnoDosTre: Please explain fluff.

fluffypony: nubbins`: "just like new except very dusty and with a few blown caps, balance of warranty (1 month left)"

TestingUnoDosTre: And don't use the whole securing the network argument

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: Dogecoin has this "join the Doge Defense Force" thing where people mine with their cards when they're not playing games or whatever to strengthen the network

nubbins`: blown caps are where it's at

fluffypony: you'd be surprised at how altruistic the individual miner is

TestingUnoDosTre: I don't want to hear about shitcoins

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: ok so then take the Jalapeno as an example

TestingUnoDosTre: Mkay

fluffypony: it was marketed as a coffee cup warmer

fluffypony: final product not so much

benkay: fluffypony re doge defense forces if one must manipulate psychology to deliver hashpower one's doing it entirely wrong.

fluffypony: but there are tons of people in the mining community that are casual miner

fluffypony: *miners

fluffypony: they bought a Jalapeno, mined for a bit, flipped it on eBay or turned it off when it was no longer covering electricity

benkay: they don't matter or count.

benkay: the only ones who do are the large farms.

fluffypony: some of them went from that to a USB Block Erupter

TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners aka people who casually flush money or btc down toilet?

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: exactly

fluffypony: benkay: contextually we're talking about buyahash's market

fluffypony: and whether it's a scam

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

fluffypony: my argument is that it's not, as the audience is the casual miner

TestingUnoDosTre: Its not a scam as much as a questionable business venture

fluffypony: not the large farms

benkay: it's just pmb turds in a fancy css wrapper

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00097347 = 3.7965 BTC [+] {2}

TestingUnoDosTre: Casual miners or people who have just heard about btc and never tried mining before?

benkay: o wait this isn't the exchange thinger?

fluffypony: we could argue that any ASIC manufacturer is a questionable business venture :-P

fluffypony: benkay: no

fluffypony: benkay: buyahash.com

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: yeah, it's people who hear about it and decide to spend a few hundred Dollars *max* on playing around with mining

benkay: who cares?

fluffypony: or a few thousand if they're particularly confident in it

fluffypony: benkay: TestingUnoDosTre does :)

TestingUnoDosTre: What about knc. Coulnt their product have actually worked out initially?

benkay: it's like that guy next to the important place with a cart full of cheaply made crap

benkay: "buy a souvenier! take home a bit of the sphinx!"

fluffypony: benkay: sure, and some people want to take home a bit of the sphinx, even if it's all an illusion

fluffypony: doesn't make the vendor questionable per se

TestingUnoDosTre: Except with that you might still have a positive memory of your trips to Egypt

benkay: except that the implication (never stated) of these asic vendors is that you might make some money with it.

fluffypony: I think the bottom line is that it's fallatious to fault a company that sees an opportunity to sell shovels in a gold rush

benkay: fellatious

TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's also an advantage to receiving bitcoin outside of an" established" exchange. I think this is somewhat true

fluffypony: mmmm fellatio

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: true, but I doubt 95% of them even consider that

TestingUnoDosTre: It's totally analingus to invest in a company that behaves in such a manner

fluffypony: mmm anal lingus

fluffypony: no wonder everyone complains about mpex's porn chat, look at this conversation!

TestingUnoDosTre: Wish I could have found a way to swap that for analogous, but not that quick on my feet

benkay: who's complaining?

TestingUnoDosTre: .bait

ozbot: http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ervrPG8Q1qcr2gxo1_500.jpg

benkay: oz's back!

benkay: lovely.

TestingUnoDosTre: Oz is amazing

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

fluffypony: benkay: benkay : http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108

fluffypony: "Bitcoinner says: February 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm That stock exchange is horrible, the PR person on bitcointalk acts like a retard. They host porn on the same server they host the exchange from. STAY AWAY FROM THIS EXCHANGE!!!"

fluffypony: :-P

benkay: oh the forum

benkay: figured as much.

TestingUnoDosTre: It took me a while to realize the forum is %100 propaganda or regards. Even after I read that accounts could be purchased in bulk

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00486684 = 0.1849 BTC [-] {4}

TestingUnoDosTre: regards*

benkay: ah anyways yes some business-boats can float on the sea of lies that is the mining space.

TestingUnoDosTre: Fucking auto correct

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: every few weeks there's someone selling an aged forum account...ON the forum, and people complain about it and promptly are told that it's allowed

TestingUnoDosTre: Hoe about businesses upon businesses upon businesses?

benkay: perhaps even some btc can be extracted from the morons swimming in that sea.

fluffypony: getting paid for building the long con is a viable business model for the supplier

TestingUnoDosTre: Yes, it's going to be sad when some of the big ones start to fall

TestingUnoDosTre: Lots of trust out the door. Probably cheap coins for sale though

benkay: who are these big ones, TestingUnoDosTre ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097303 = 10.9466 BTC [-]

TestingUnoDosTre: Bitstamp, btc, havelock, etc

TestingUnoDosTre: Btce

fluffypony: I don't think they're all inherently scammy by default

benkay: it's just a damn fog of scam out there

fluffypony: btc-e are an interesting one

fluffypony: they've had plenty of opportunity to cut and run, but they don't

TestingUnoDosTre: Long live the long con

fluffypony: yeah but how long?

benkay: just about 7.5"

fluffypony: they've gotten more than enough volume, they won't get significantly more than they have, surely?

fluffypony: benkay: not bad

fluffypony gets a ruler

TestingUnoDosTre: How about all the wallet software out there. That will shake some confidence

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: web wallets or actual wallets?

TestingUnoDosTre: Not worried about actual ones of course

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.46002048 BTC to 8`421 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

fluffypony shrugs

fluffypony: Blockchain's wallet seems to be about the biggest

fluffypony: them and StrongCoin

TestingUnoDosTre: How about smartphone stuff. How big are those?

benkay: pennies

TestingUnoDosTre: What about pennies?

benkay: that's what's in the btc smartphone market.

TestingUnoDosTre: Ah

TestingUnoDosTre: How much money do you think the bitcoin atm business is worth? Very hard for me to judge

benkay: selling 'em appears to work.

fluffypony: no clue

benkay: nobody seems to have done the hard numbers on foot traffic for the operator.

fluffypony: everyone raves about how many Bitcoin ATMs there are and that are coming

fluffypony: and then the next post is about how difficult they are to use

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

mrstickball: what's the cost right now on an ATM?

fluffypony: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/

mrstickball: I am thinking of putting one in a PC retail store

ozbot: Reddit cofounder drops r/technology mod status after censorship drama

benkay: mrstickball: 1kusd give or take

mrstickball: nice

TestingUnoDosTre: I though it was more like 10

mrstickball: I assumed 10

TestingUnoDosTre: Also, I thought you had to register as a money transmitter in US

mrstickball: ahhh

mrstickball: as the ATM owner/operator?

benkay: there are a million reasons to avoid the atm's

mrstickball: benkay: it'd be interesting

mrstickball: the reason I ask is due to my contract with a major US PC retailer that wants to sell bitcoin/litecoin products

mrstickball: my thought is to do a mining kiosk / ATM in each store

benkay: ;;gettrust mrstickball

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

mrstickball: benkay: I gotta re-download my wallet to auth with Gribble. If you give me maybe 2hrs, I can re-auth

TestingUnoDosTre: Curious to ask. Anyone ever tried trading bitcoins for cash in an airport, or is that asking for trouble?

benkay: i don't care, man.

mrstickball: airport? ha

mrstickball: I've done cash through mail though

mrstickball: felt strange

fluffypony: CIM?

fluffypony: :-P

TestingUnoDosTre: Seriously, I travel through airports frequently

fluffypony: !ud CIM

TestingUnoDosTre: !Up CIM

assbot: Voicing CIM for 30 minutes.

fluffypony: lol

fluffypony: no

benkay: ;;ud cim

gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=CIM | Upload a picture of Cim. 2. cim. Cum In Mouth. Meaning ejaculation of the man's sperm into anothers mouth. This may or may not be followed by the swallowing ...

fluffypony: wasn't what I was trying to do

ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM

fluffypony: there we go

fluffypony: tks benkay

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

TestingUnoDosTre: Cash through mail- did you wait to send btc until cash was received?

cgcardona_: : has anyone actually used a btc atm? I've not used one yet. they didn't have any in SF before I left.

mrstickball: uh, yeah, TestingUnoDosTre

mrstickball: I knew the person. He needed BTC. He did CIM via express, got here OK

mrstickball: but I bet I'm on a government list now

mrstickball: I told him to do a cashiers check

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

nubbins`: ;;ud cim

ozbot: Urban Dictionary: CIM

mrstickball: and all of a sudden, I find a swelling padded mailer with a few K in it

mrstickball: lol

TestingUnoDosTre: Did you inspect all the bills?

cgcardona_: What's the general consensus on Ethereum? Something to watch or crapcoin?

benkay: scam.

mrstickball: there are so many weird coins out

mrstickball: would be worth looking

cgcardona_: I'm really just looking in to it recently . Can you elaborate benkay ?

fluffypony: cgcardona_: benkay is a bot, he says that as a response to a mention of any altcoin

fluffypony: eg. ponycoin?

mrstickball: DOGECoin?

fluffypony: benkay: ^^^

benkay: look

benkay: i am a purchaser of compute

benkay: i am not paying per operation.

benkay: i am not running on your distributed compute network.

benkay: i am leasing a fucking processor with some fucking ram and running some calculations.

benkay: distributed autonomous corporations are the pipe dream of nerds who've never incorporated or run any business.

pankkake: fluffypony: actually, I made a bot a few months earlier.

pankkake: !up pircea_momescu

assbot: Voicing pircea_momescu for 30 minutes.

pankkake: is ethereum a scam?

pircea_momescu: pankkake ethereum is a scam !

fluffypony: lol

TestingUnoDosTre: What's your take on auroracoin benkay. Scamcoin or. ... nevermind

fluffypony: ethereum is amazing!

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

fluffypony hugs assbot

fluffypony: pankkake: that's awesome, it should stay in chan

TestingUnoDosTre: What does ethereum actually do? Has anyone seen a result compared to promises?

benkay: that's a good basis point for your analysis.

pankkake: it disconnects and never comes back, and it happens in the irc lib, and I never got around figuring why

cgcardona_: i think they're just rolling out the testnet and even it is real buggy

benkay: billmoyers.com/2014/04/16/paul-krugman-why-we’re-in-a-new-gilded-age/

TestingUnoDosTre: And what's with the fake MPs today?

TestingUnoDosTre: Complete garbage

mrstickball: lol

mrstickball: Krugman

benkay: classic internet

benkay: don't read thing

fluffypony: I honestly haven't really looked at Ethereum

TestingUnoDosTre: Read a few paragraphs of that trash. Comments contained more resemblance of intelligence

benkay: just mock

fluffypony: but I agree with benkay

mrstickball: benkay: how often do you read Krugman?

benkay: mrstickball: let me know when you get to the part where krugman reviews a book someone else wrote.

fluffypony: you can run a business and burn all your creditors without complying with any rule ever and with nobody ever knowing your identity...that doesn't seem like a healthy starting point for a system

mrstickball: How much Krugman do you read?

thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe

assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095214 / 0.00096064 / 0.00097418 (585642 shares, 562.59 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096309 / 0.00097649 (3444684 shares, 3,317.56 BTC), 30D: 0.00079813 / 0.00093513 / 0.00101 (22227685 shares, 20,785.78 BTC)

TestingUnoDosTre: That's the whole thing. Its a book review

fluffypony: so we should scroll straight to the comments and write "le bitcoin army is here!!!111one" ?

benkay: i guess in lieu of actual discussion that'll have to do.

TestingUnoDosTre: I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago

TestingUnoDosTre: Have you read his thing on bitcoin?

benkay: cracks me up that y'all would rather harp on krugman than derp through his review of a book written by someone else.

mrstickball: he was praising it for its call to tax the rich more

fluffypony: benkay: don't have time to read it now, added it to my read later list

cgcardona_: DACs don't seem like a pipedream of geeks to me.

pankkake: http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/me_guns/krugman_cat.jpg

mrstickball: he's reviewing a book that takes a very dim view of economics which is typical for Keynesians

benkay: mrstickball: get past the krugman slant. let me know what you think about the book under review.

TestingUnoDosTre: I read it until I realized its an emotional appeal to socialism

mrstickball: the book is arguing a point without context

mrstickball: its arguing about economic inequality without looking at a lot of underlying factors

TestingUnoDosTre: I'll read the book. Love formatting my own opinion

mrstickball: you can't compare inequality from the 10s and 20s to today simply by looking at inequality x income

nubbins`: what format do you use for your opinions?

fluffypony: nubbins`: markdown

nubbins`: not bad

benkay: amateur

benkay: latex is for professional opinions.

benkay: mrstickball: what factors does it ignore?

mrstickball: regulatory atmosphere, primarily

nubbins`: but what's LaTeX for? ;(

mrstickball: he cites deregulation as a potential cause of inequality, yet the reality is the EXACT OPPOSITE

mrstickball: we have more regulations on our economy (and tax code) than at any point in history

benkay: that's quite a claim.

mrstickball: benkay: I can substantiate it easily

mrstickball: you want the US tax code by pages?

mrstickball: or would you prefer my compliance costs?

benkay: sounds a lot like correlation

benkay: and not a whit like causation

mrstickball: its a partial cause

mrstickball: when the average factory has $15,000 in compliance costs in the US, what do you think they do?

mrstickball: *$15,000 per person

benkay: how does that imply causation between higher regulatory burden and inequality?

nubbins`: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/cabbie-beaten-in-st-john-s-forefinger-and-thumb-severed-1.2611975

ozbot: Cabbie beaten in St. John's, forefinger and thumb severed - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News

nubbins`: ^ the attacker went to the same school as me for 9 years :0

mrstickball: regulatory burden ensures that larger businesses / those with access to more capital can reduce their burden and utilize economies of scale to leverage better positions against the small business and poor

TestingUnoDosTre: Here's the comment I liked" Second, they look at it from the US/European point of view. If you look at it from a global level, there is a lot less global inequality now than in the 50s and 60s. The income of Americans then was over 100 times greater than the Chinese. Now it is merely 6 times greater. 1,000,000,000 people have been lifted out of poverty into the middle class in the last 15 years. That is more than

benkay: ah the ol' regulation lays most heavily on those unable to escape it

benkay: i for one don't care about inequality

mrstickball: benkay: What business do you run, and tell me about your compliance department

benkay: seems like a thing largely out of the control of anyone

benkay: software

benkay: comply on taxes and employment

mrstickball: how much do you pay for HR and accounting?

benkay: none right now, sometime soon that'll change.

mrstickball: how many employees?

benkay: well accounting i do pay for

benkay: some thousands per year

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00097303 = 9.5357 BTC [-]

benkay: can't say as that's any of your business, mrstickball .

mrstickball: benkay: it is since we're discussing regulatory environments

benkay: respond in two ways

benkay: as if i have 1 employee

benkay: and as if i have 20

mrstickball: if you're doing software, I'd ask how many people you have on 1099's vs. W4

mrstickball: since in software, you can contract more

mrstickball: because I co-own an analyst firm that contracts 100% of its employees. I also run a business that is looking to hire via W4. Different regulatory environment, as I have to pay a lot more in compliance for unemployment, workers comp, SS, ect

mrstickball: all adds to my cost of doing business

mrstickball: same thing with hardware/IP acquisitions

benkay: okay hey so a question

mrstickball: much easier to 1099 someone on a retail design via a 3rd party than it is to look at hiring an in-house artist

benkay: you don't go to sleep quaking in your boots about getting audited on your 1099's?

mrstickball: generally, no

TestingUnoDosTre: How much is workers comp in a software environment?

benkay: what do you do that insulates you from the employee/contractor confusion?

fluffypony: benkay

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

mrstickball: I comply with state guidelines on contractors

mrstickball: e.g. work environment, scope of work, length of contract and so on

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012009 = 0.3603 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05358 = 0.2143 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.05359 = 1.0182 BTC [+]

benkay: defo prefer 1099's

numerisTrade: hello everyone

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00097303 = 5.8382 BTC [-]

mrstickball: benkay: why is that? ... I'd argue because its so much easier and trouble-free as an employer

mrstickball: I can write someone a check and 1099-em at the end of year... No real compliance or paperwork

mrstickball: I wish all hiring was that easy. But its not, and that's why I think regulation/compliance is such a huge cogwheel in the American economy.

mrstickball: Because its so much easier to get someone in China to do work for me than it would be here at a factory

mrstickball: (and my wife is building a candle factory over the next few months, so I'm having to help her learn all the compliance steps)

benkay: banging atoms together as a business in the states is just horrid.

mrstickball: Its not fun in the least

mrstickball: so imagine what I've had to do for SEC compliance as a registered security

benkay: what's your company?

mrstickball: BuyAHash among others

cgcardona_: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/bitcoin-and-the-three-laws-of-robotics/#.U1AHcOZdVUV <--- interesting read comparing Bitcoin (big B) with DAC

ozbot: Bitcoin and the Three Laws of Robotics | Lets Talk Bitcoin

cgcardona_: ^ that was supposed to read (big letterB)

benkay: haw funny, you mrstickball

benkay: what is this analysis company?

mrstickball: video game company

mrstickball: I've had to nearly back out of it due to BAH

benkay: specifics?

benkay: we get a lot of non-specific claims around here.

benkay: kinda allergic at this point.

mrstickball: We track video game sales for digital games

benkay: yes but what is your url

benkay: who are you

benkay: etc

mrstickball: then sell the charts to interested parties

mrstickball: http://analytics.fadellc.com/

ozbot: Fade - Digital download sales reports

benkay: http://fadellc.com/legal/

benkay: ouch

mrstickball: front end has had some issues due to WP

benkay: site's kinda broken

benkay: ouuuuch: http://fadellc.com/ios-reports-and-sales-data/

mrstickball: front end is. I have to work with our dev to get it working. Like I said, I've been too busy with BAH

benkay: wp, eh?

mrstickball: Whats the URL to your company, by the way?

benkay: needs moar css, clearly.

benkay: http://survantjames.com

mrstickball: neato

benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html

ozbot: About

benkay: let me know if you feel like throwing some money at fixing your site.

mrstickball: there you go

mrstickball: I may

mrstickball: what are your rates?

benkay: north of a hundred an hour

benkay: closing in on two

mrstickball: I wouldn't mind hiring someone to re-do BuyAHash and make it look a lot cleaner, but I'm unsure what the costs on that'd be for a full re-do of the frontend (the backend at least from my interactions are ok)

mrstickball: ah

benkay: fixed bid's another story, though.

benkay: you could get a lot done for 10k.

benkay: course, you could also hire someone across the ocean for 10/hr.

mrstickball: could

mrstickball: 10k for BuyAHash?

mrstickball: or 10k for FADE?

benkay: i'm sure you understand the tradeoffs.

benkay: 10k buys you a heck of a lot of css.

mrstickball: right

mrstickball: the backend of FADE is well over that

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 78 @ 0.06690894 = 5.2189 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06691 = 0.2676 BTC [+]

benkay: well if you're backing out of fade i can't really suggest you pour more money in

benkay: but that seems to be the one that needs the most work

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

mrstickball: I can probably put a few hours in to get the WP frontend back up

benkay: haha

benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

benkay: wait hang on

benkay: ;;unrate mrstickball

gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.

benkay: i'm going to want to see you auth in

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06691 = 1.2044 BTC [+]

mrstickball: yeah

mrstickball: give me awhile

mrstickball: I gotta re-download the blockchain on this new PC

benkay: you don't have to do that to auth

mrstickball: eh, guess I forgot that you can sign without getting the chain

fluffypony: you can sign a message before it's finished downloading, innit?

benkay: yup.

benkay: i mean

benkay: unless btc-qt is even more badly written than i imagined...

benkay: mrstickball: does it work?

cgcardona_: ;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://survantjames.com/

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.

benkay: ty cgcardona_

cgcardona_: np

cgcardona_: am checking out the cascadian hacker site now. nice work.

benkay: mindless blathering

cgcardona_: heh

benkay: just assume everything was written drunk

cgcardona_: I always do

benkay: you're free of course to put whatever you want in the rating field, but i'd prefer to have cascadianhacker.com in there than survantjames.com

cgcardona_: sure no prob

benkay: the former's vastly more relevant to the wot

benkay: again ty

benkay: ;;rate cgcardona_ 1

artifexd: cgcardona_: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/09_bitcoiners-upset-at-apple-understand-neither-apples-business-model-nor-bitcoin.html <- my favorite benkay post

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.

cgcardona_: ;;rate benkay 1 Seen often in #btc-assets. Runs http://cascadianhacker.com/

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user benkay has changed from 1 to 1.

fluffypony: artifexd: seconded

benkay: short and sweet.

benkay: gotta do more of 'em.

benkay: i'd like to do one on ethereum too

cgcardona_: i'd like to read that one.

benkay: a clean fry isn't enough, it needs to be reasoned.

benkay: that means i have to actually sink my head into ethereum.

benkay: fml.

cgcardona_: haha

fluffypony: hah

TestingUnoDosTre: Benkay, are you cascadianhacker

fluffypony: ;;rate benkay 1 best ben on freenode

TestingUnoDosTre: Nvm

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.

jurov: benkay: in what stage ethereum actually is?

TestingUnoDosTre: Pre alpha

jurov: anything usable yet?

jurov: !up mjr_

assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.

cgcardona_: i've only just started reading about it but it seems like they are just launching a buggy testnet

benkay: i hear buggy testnet

TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my statute of limitations. That's refuckingdiculous

fluffypony: BingoBoingo:)

BingoBoingo: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

BingoBoingo: !down mrstickball

cgcardona_: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 #btc-assets

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0666 = 0.1998 BTC [-]

pankkake: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=473710.msg6269549#msg6269549 … and now he edited them

ozbot: [QUINTO] IPO on cryptostocks

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

pankkake: it's funny what you can uncover through forgotten metadata

benkay: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=206567

ozbot: Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine

benkay: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

benkay: mrstickball: have you succeeded in signing a thing with your btc addr or shall we assume you to be an impostor?

mrstickball: was out to lunch. Let me get my wallet from my old PC

pankkake: benkay: WTF?!

TestingUnoDosTre: What was with the fake MPs in here today

benkay: pretty wild, eh pankkake ?

benkay: i can't tell if it's actual antisemitism or 'join us or else the jooz die' antisemitism

benkay: much fog of war

pankkake: it's probably a jew conspiracy, in both cases

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

TestingUnoDosTre: Jewspiracy

TestingUnoDosTre: Only worse thing is... witchcraft!

benkay: errybody just jealous of 6 millenia of selection pressure

TestingUnoDosTre: Did you see that pircea_momescu left. What's with that shit

pankkake: TestingUnoDosTre: it's my joke bot. what other fake MPs are you talking about?

TestingUnoDosTre: !Up mrstickball

assbot: Voice for mrstickball extended to 30 minutes.

pankkake: besides the ones trolling Legitimate Companies on Bitcointalk

pankkake: ;;gettrust mrstickball

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pankkake to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=pankkake&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

TestingUnoDosTre: There was one mircea_popescu' earlier

pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)

gribble: Error: 'runs' is not a valid integer.

pankkake: ;;rate mrstickball 1 runs Buy-A-Hash (I was formerly invested)

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

pankkake: you can !up yourself now

mrstickball: trying to find my OTC address to sign myself in for Gribble

pankkake: ahah

TestingUnoDosTre: Buy a hash sounds like a good cannabis company too

mrstickball: it does

TestingUnoDosTre: Are you Mrs tick ball?

mrstickball: not quite

pankkake: gpu mining and cultivating cannabis looks the same for the power company

TestingUnoDosTre: So true. Apparently they tried to bust some miner

mrstickball: odd. When I imported this wallet, I fail to see any addresses that I've used previously

mrstickball: do they only populate once the blockchain syncs up?

TestingUnoDosTre: !Down mrstickball

TestingUnoDosTre: Meh

pankkake: the few times I imported private keys, I've had to restart the client for it to show up

pankkake: in the GUI

TestingUnoDosTre: Did that work there? Didn't see an assbot response

pankkake: lowercase D

benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: why are you muting mrstickball ?

TestingUnoDosTre: Power trip

benkay: ah

benkay: let the man work through his wallet issues, eh?

benkay: might even get some help

mrstickball: Gribble is being a pain

mrstickball: the last client I had was 0.8.5 and they changed the UI significantly. I found the OTC address.. now just to get Gribble to verify it which its being a pain

TestingUnoDosTre: Do miners take a while to shut off old rigs after diff change, or are they usually ahead of the curve?

mrstickball: !gettrust Mrstickball

mrstickball: ;;gettrust Mrstickball

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user Mrstickball to user Mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Mrstickball&dest=Mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

mrstickball: there

benkay: ;;rate mrstickball 1 +v

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

mrstickball: so much harder when you haven't authed with Gribble in a few hundred days..

benkay: you'll probably want to gpg up

TestingUnoDosTre: Gribbles being a cranky hitch today

mrstickball: gotta import my GPG keys from my old PC first

pankkake: I wrote a script to make it less of a pain, but it's still an annoying process

mrstickball: no, its my fault on not having all the stuff handy on my new PC

benkay: well, you were caught with your pants down with this voice stuff

mrstickball: new wallet client + new PC + remembering how to properly auth after 200 days of absence

pankkake: http://pastebin.com/sHftSFsQ quick and dirty

ozbot: #/bin/bash -eu echo "gpg eauth ${USER}" echo ";;gpg eauth ${USER}"|xclip -i - Pastebin.com

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0669675 = 0.7366 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;google xclip command

gribble: xclip: Command-Line Clipboard - ServerWatch: <http://www.serverwatch.com/tutorials/article.php/3826261/xclip-CommandLine-Clipboard.htm>; AutoCAD 2010 User Documentation: XCLIP - Autodesk: <http://docs.autodesk.com/ACD/2010/ENU/AutoCAD%202010%20User%20Documentation/files/WS1a9193826455f5ffa23ce210c4a30acaf-5207.htm>; Copy Shell Prompt Output To Linux / UNIX X Clipboard (1 more message)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

numerisTrade: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 one bet settled + he runs thedrinkingrecord.com

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

TestingUnoDosTre: What did you guys bet on?

numerisTrade: Copa del Rey, soccer

BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: We tried an unescrowed bet, it worked

TestingUnoDosTre: Oooh

numerisTrade: well, yeah, that would be more precise

TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, did bitbet offer bets without timeweight in the past?

TestingUnoDosTre: Numeristrade, you answered my question

jurov: no afaik it was same from beginning

jurov: but you can make bet without weight by setting end weight to 100000

BingoBoingo: Yeah

numerisTrade: the content of the bet was of secondary importance, the most important part was it being unescrowed

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0669675 = 0.6697 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: Other thing I wanted to do was to lower the initial timeweight in attempt to make it jump discretely

TestingUnoDosTre: Sadly, not an option

jurov: why?

TestingUnoDosTre: My thoughts were this. Enter a European call option, a la bitcoin trade at or above 600 on June 1

TestingUnoDosTre: Allow for like one or two weeks of betting and close the bet early

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669675 = 0.1339 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: Try and sell timeweight shares as price jumps up and down

TestingUnoDosTre: Thought it would be neat if the timeweight started at like 7, then ticked down one each day

TestingUnoDosTre: Discrete isn't really needed though

TestingUnoDosTre: Could accomplish what I was saying with the continuous

TestingUnoDosTre: Does what I'm saying make sense though?

fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user mrstickball has been recorded.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7383 @ 0.00097145 = 7.1722 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 400 @ 0.14 = 56 BTC

TestingUnoDosTre: Any thoughts on my proposal?

cgcardona_: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Vanity wallet 1LvCunts… FTW

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.

davout: so apparently localbitcoins got surprise butsecks'd

numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, what would be the purpose of such bet construction?

fluffypony: davout: I'll fathom that they had logins etc. scraped when they were Heartbleed vulnerable, and the attackers waited till now to use them

davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho

TestingUnoDosTre: I would initially gage an option, bet on it, then sell off some of it to lock in profit

fluffypony: davout: XSS then?

davout: also ppl seem to report changing passwords after hb and still being impacted

TestingUnoDosTre: Surprise buttsexed. How so?

davout: fluffypony: xss/csrf would be easy to detect by someone with a simple tool such as firebug

davout: looks more like it's server-side

fluffypony: true

davout: TestingUnoDosTre: like in the butt, by surprise

TestingUnoDosTre: But what happened- got an article?

TestingUnoDosTre: I was thinking of beginning to use the service, to get off the exchanges

davout: TestingUnoDosTre: www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23a26k/breaking_remove_your_btc_from_localbitcoins/

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: if you don't mind reading something written by a 15 year old, http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/reports-localbitcoins-funds-missing/2014/04/17

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

fluffypony: I'm not joking, he's 15 - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/busterroni

TestingUnoDosTre: As long as he is respectable

artifexd: Blockchain.info bought bitcoin.com?

TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, you have yo deposit bitcoins with them? What in the fuck

fluffypony: artifexd: 5 year agreement

davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica

bounce: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 burn millions, have nothing to show for it, get away with it because "aw, so young"

ozbot: Inside Story of Clinkle - Business Insider

fluffypony: davout: yeah, CoinBase own it

artifexd: I disapprove

davout: fluffypony: do they? source?

fluffypony: TestingUnoDosTre: only for online transactions

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21382 @ 0.00097304 = 20.8055 BTC [+] {2}

fluffypony: davout: http://www.coindesk.com/blockchain-info-acquires-bitcoin-com-domain-name/ - "Previously the domain was used by Coinbase a customer acquisition channel."

davout: fluffypony: last time i checked tihan seale did

davout: fluffypony: used, not owned

fluffypony: ah

fluffypony: I misread that as owned, sorry

fluffypony: http://bitcoin.com/images/news_icon.png

fluffypony: they're pushing that retarded symbol hard

benkay: i love seeing shitty startups go down

benkay: bounce: ^^

davout: the main reason i dislike jeremias kangas is the fact he hijhacks bitcoincentral.com to localbitcoins.com

davout: which as we say in france

davout: is fucking gay

numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, as I understand it, the decreasing timeweight would punish your lock-in profits if it's linear to 0 in a one week frame

pankkake: during the 2000s internet bubble I loved the French website "vakooler" (fancy way of writing "going to sink")

fluffypony: davout: maybe it's worth doing a UDRP for the domain, it meets the "bad faith" element by pointing to a competing service?

TestingUnoDosTre: No no because I would bet immediately, the betting would close, and say one week later the price may drop, and I could sell shares of No for more than at beginning

TestingUnoDosTre: The decreasing timeweight would mess with everyone else but me that tried to value the option

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 425 @ 0.14 = 59.5 BTC

TestingUnoDosTre: Mainly because 1 week of info doesn't help you too much for 4 weeks ahead

davout: fluffypony: mebbe

fluffypony: bounce: what in actual fuck do they need 70 people for to build a mobile payments app?

benkay: fluffypony: welcome to the circus.

fluffypony: davout: it was registered 4 months before bitcoin-central, so you'd probably have to go the trademark route + bad faith or demonstrate that you announced the name somewhere and the act of registering the domain was cybersquatting+bad faith use

davout: i really don't care that much, i just think that doing it is gay

jurov: in related news, i do want to pay for coinbroker.com but no one responds

fluffypony: jurov: did you try both of the Yahoo! emails on the domain?

jurov: prolly yes, i don't remember

jurov: i'm not desperate, coinbr is fine

numerisTrade: TestingUnoDosTre, the selling shares of No is selling these outside BitBet service?

numerisTrade: jurov, coinbr is already an established brand, besides it's better than coinbroker

TestingUnoDosTre: Yes. Draw up a short got contract. Say you're buying 10000 timeweight representing .1btc for. 13 or something along those lines

TestingUnoDosTre: Got*

TestingUnoDosTre: Gpg*****

jurov: yup, i'd add it to coinbr if i had the manpower. make a bet via coinbr, then resell it

TestingUnoDosTre: Why not just broker it myself?

TestingUnoDosTre: Gain some wot

jurov: yes, you can even put it into the -otc order book

jurov: i'm thinking wholesale :)

numerisTrade: jurov, you are thinking about reselling it within your customer base or something broader, more open?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.06696917 = 4.0182 BTC [+] {3}

jurov: it should *not* involve monthly fees, of course

TestingUnoDosTre: 50% broker fees

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.066971 = 0.2009 BTC [+]

jurov: aside from not spreading myself too thin, i'm also uncertain - maybe kako plans something like that, too

jurov: should ask him tomorrow

fluffypony: benkay: http://i.imgur.com/FyDyzym.png

jurov: they forgot to apply securities regulations, too

pankkake: and carbon emission regulations

numerisTrade: http://pando.com/2013/12/16/bitcoin-has-a-dark-side-its-carbon-footprint/

ozbot: Bitcoin has a dark side: its carbon footprint | PandoDaily

TestingUnoDosTre: Oh my I love when haters bring that up

nubbins`: just got rear-ended :(

TestingUnoDosTre: The world's most secure asset registry uses electricity! !!

fluffypony: nubbins`: that sucks - their fault, though

nubbins`: yup. i was stopped, left turn indicator on

nubbins`: guy didn't even slow down

fluffypony: what a d-bag

fluffypony: did he apologise?

nubbins`: nah

TestingUnoDosTre: Next article is about greencoin, the newest neatest coin that requires 1/10th the energy to mine

nubbins`: young fella

TomServo: how fast were they going?

TestingUnoDosTre: Did you break his legs?

nubbins`: maybe 50-60km/h

nubbins`: i managed to take my foot off the brake before we made contact, which i think helped avoid the worst of it

BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Uses less electricity becaused mined with MD4 asic

TestingUnoDosTre: Damn!

nubbins`: bumper cars

TestingUnoDosTre: Lol are you fcking kidding me

TomServo: I got hit last year, person was doing about 80 kph though. That sucked.

nubbins`: oof, i'd say

nubbins`: i've got a bit of a headache now and my neck/shoulders are a bit sore, tomorrow's gonna suck

TomServo: Yep!

TomServo: If my driver's window would've been open I bet my leg would've been sticking out. I was all rearranged in there.

nubbins`: yipes

TestingUnoDosTre: Oh o m

TomServo: No lasting injuries though, so yay for that. Just sore a few days/week.

TestingUnoDosTre: This was a real car, not bumper cars? Thought you were just joking for a second there

nubbins`: good

nubbins`: TestingUnoDosTre: real car, yes

nubbins`: the bumper cars comment was in relation to the fact that i managed to release the brakes before he hit me

TomServo: Coincidentally or you saw him coming?

nubbins`: glanced in the mirror just as his headlights disappeared, tried to stomp the gas

nubbins`: funny thing is, i'm always careful to brake and indicate early at this spot, because people always take the hill really fast

nubbins`: saw the car behind me was lagging, figured he saw me

nubbins`: anyway, i need a drink

nubbins`: peace

TomServo: cheers nubbins`

jurov: http://opensslrampage.org ( strncpy(d, s, strlen(s)) got me)

jurov: !up ozbot

assbot: I don't do bots, jurov.

bounce: didn't ssl have a patch a while back that went snprintf(d,dlen,s) -> snprintf(d,dlen,"%s",s) ? something like that at any rate

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16922 @ 0.00097109 = 16.4328 BTC [-] {2}

bounce: /* if PRNG is not properly seeded, resort to secret exponent as unpredictable seed */

BingoBoingo: Remove non-posix support. Why is OPENSSL_isservice even here? Is this a crypto library or a generic platform abstraction library? A hack to make Visual C++ 5.0 work correctly time to upgrade.

BingoBoingo: tedu

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19374 @ 0.00097418 = 18.8738 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: !Up chairman_meow

assbot: Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes.

fidogeh: thanks

fidogeh: !jd

assbot: Just-Dice stat: 15892 BTC profit, 34.7k BTC invested, 1055.93 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.06685 = 0.468 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC

kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still

kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/0xOVD5F.png

fluffypony: why did they delete that post?

kakobrekla: cause they are retards

kakobrekla: this was posted in garrs thread after he said that i should stop with the slander and that he has bigger fish to fry.

kakobrekla: so i gave him a big hot pan, for the fish, you see.

bounce: how long ago was that, then?

kakobrekla: months

bounce: nicely useless accompanying message. about as useful as the usual redmondian "help" message

bounce: gah. hungry again.

cgcardona_: bounce.eat('grinds')

mircea_popescu: peterl two things. one is that you're using 1024 bytes which is weak. get a 4096

mircea_popescu: the other is that signature reads out 4467A7237ADAB076. benkay has the details.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hey there >D

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00097636 = 18.5508 BTC [+] {2}

chairman_meow: 1024 is predicted to be broken by 2020

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete til tatiana moroz lol

gribble: The operation succeeded.

chairman_meow: i mean we already broke 768

mircea_popescu: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.13, Best ask: 503.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.87000, Last trade: 503.0, 24 hour volume: 22144.44984103, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 537.24, 24 hour vwap: 506.489030396

mircea_popescu: o look at that, garcia marquez croaked.

nubbins`: what?

nubbins`: i was talking about him like two days ago

mircea_popescu: prolly what did it.

kakobrekla: o hey you are fast mp

nubbins`: no doubt :(

nubbins`: shame

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla faster than a speedin' bullet.

nubbins`: guy wrote beautiful prose

kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=551698.0

ozbot: [IPO Launch April 16 2014] Symmetric Step Trading

mircea_popescu: "Flight attendant informs me electrical outlets don't work when the "Fasten Seatbelt" sign is on. Explains, "The plane was made in Canada.""

kakobrekla: lol, we saw this we saw that herp derp we will not come to -assets.

mircea_popescu: "The two Symmetric Step partners have been "lurkers" on this forum since mid 2013. "

kakobrekla: mircea_popescu they are too big for wot!

mircea_popescu: "We profit from disparities in the demand curves for bitcoins on separate cryptocurrency exchanges."

mircea_popescu: this is such a novel idea that worked out so well for all the previous experts.

mircea_popescu: i hope they at least offer 7% a week.

kakobrekla: lol

mircea_popescu: jesus i have a huge pile of news here.

mircea_popescu: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/526726/broad-institute-gets-patent-on-revolutionary-gene-editing-method/

ozbot: Broad Institute Gets Patent on Revolutionary Gene-Editing Method | MIT Technology Review

nubbins`: they make planes in canada? :D

mircea_popescu: where do you think all those beercans go

nubbins`: wait, bombardier

nubbins`: also avro arrow, RIP

mircea_popescu: i thought bombardier made train cars.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ as you can see, us shutting up is actually beneficial.

nubbins`: all types of stuff

kakobrekla: fine, ill just ban the conference attendance.

mircea_popescu: benkay: i imagine they'd not be able to !up any more. << this should be tested.

mircea_popescu: who has a +1 in the assbot wot and volunteers for a little experiment ?

cgcardona_: awwww yea I'm in the top 20 for the last 7 days! (not sure if this is a good thing or not)

nubbins`: mostly prop planes, i think

mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ listen, im going to negrate you. then you part channel, join it again and try to up yourself with assbot.

mircea_popescu: k ?

cgcardona_: sure

mircea_popescu: ;;rated cgcardona_

gribble: You have not yet rated user cgcardona_

cgcardona_: when I reenter should do I need to reauth w/ gribble first

mircea_popescu: ;;rate cgcardona_ -5 testing assbot

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -5 for user cgcardona_ has been recorded.

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ prolly not

cgcardona_: test

cgcardona_: ok i'll try

cgcardona_: brb

mircea_popescu: you gotta part to lose voice first

cgcardona_: ok

nubbins`: wow

kakobrekla: depends if you and gribble have another common channel

nubbins`: mircea_popescu: according to these stats, you don't shut up :D

kakobrekla: if you dont, you need to reath

kakobrekla: reauth

mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is true.

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ did it work ? (pm)

mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014

mircea_popescu: meh

kakobrekla: it went down just one point!?

mircea_popescu: yes cause assbot trusts us to 1

cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: sorry dude. had to reauth w/ gribble.

mircea_popescu: aha kk.

mircea_popescu: ;;unrate cgcardona_

gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla max of -1 passed cause assbot trust is 1

kakobrekla: seems weird

mircea_popescu: notrly, it's how it works.

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ thanks for halping.

cgcardona_: np

kakobrekla: then how it works is weird.

mircea_popescu: whai ?

kakobrekla: im not sure

mircea_popescu: scam.

kakobrekla: the logic does not seem apparent

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a l2 connection can not pass more trust (either + or -) than the l1 connection.

mircea_popescu: if i trust you worth a 5, people you trust are worth to me up to 5, from +5 to -5

kakobrekla: O_O

kakobrekla: now you are just making stuff up

kakobrekla: why da fuck would +5 limit negative to -5

kakobrekla: this is wrong.

mircea_popescu: why ?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16750 @ 0.00097687 = 16.3626 BTC [+] {2}

kakobrekla: so a +1 will limit negative to -1 ?

mircea_popescu: i think this is cannonical wot.

mircea_popescu: yes.

cgcardona_: but can't you just always rate someone directly w/ a +/- 1 ?

kakobrekla: how is this better over leaving it to go to -10

cgcardona_: my point being if you're limited by what you can rate based on it being a l2 connection

cgcardona_: can't you just make it a l1 connection and rate them directly?

cgcardona_: <----------(still learning)

nubbins`: hm

nubbins`: ;;rated gigavps

gribble: You have not yet rated user gigavps

nubbins`: ;;gettrust gigavps

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011

nubbins`: he's right

nubbins`: i had no idea

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ you can only rate someone directly. but we're discussing the impact of your ratings from assbot's pov

cgcardona_: got it. Don't mean to weigh in w/ deadweight questions. thanks

nubbins`: there are no dw questions, just dw people

nubbins`: JUST KIDDING :D

cgcardona_: heh

benkay: ;;rate mlapeter 1 doge guy

gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

mircea_popescu: da fuck

nubbins`: tbh it took me forever to realize that l2 + ratings were limited by your rating of the l1 intermediary

nubbins`: that's what ya get for not Ring TFM

benkay: ;;ident mlapeter

gribble: Nick 'mlapeter', with hostmask 'mlapeter!~mlapeter@c-76-115-3-99.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is not identified.

mircea_popescu: davout: i'm not really sure i want to promote web-based wallets anymore << i can see why.

Namworld: Wait, what? That Symmetric Step thread mentions me.

davout: mircea_popescu: ><

davout: heh

fluffypony: Namworld: apparently you defaulted

mircea_popescu: mrstickball: What supports S.MPOE's valuation? It looks like annual dividend is 1%, and there is no volume outside of S.MPOE itself << this is a very old discussion. you can start with 2012 : http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/

fluffypony: and the lurkers saw it

mircea_popescu: Namworld im not reading that shit, cliffnotes ?

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: "We were here during the rise and fall of BTC-TC and during the fall of BitFunder. We saw Ukyo and Namworld default and we saw the TradeFortress long con come to its conclusion. We witnessed Deprived return from the dead and disappear again. We have watched Hannah say "see here" about once for every hour of every day in a year. We saw Labcoin meltdown and ActiveMining fade."

Namworld: I wasn't aware I did. I must not have gotten the news. Maybe I should stop repayments and go fill in for bankruptcy then?

mircea_popescu: fluffypony heh. nothing like a little narrative namedropping to establish forum "cred".

fluffypony: the rest of the "IPO" is basically "send us 100 BTC and we'll pay dividends. we promise."

mircea_popescu: Namworld either that or stop reading forum derpage :p

fluffypony: I swear I'm going to do an IPO on the forum and call myself Bitcoin_Hipster and talk about how I was into everything before it was cool

Namworld: Bwahaha ^

mircea_popescu: iirc this was a 2013 thing.

mircea_popescu: people took it seriously.

mircea_popescu: mrstickball other than that, you have no fundraising options. stfu, lurk for the next year, come back not sounding like an offensive jerkoff.

benkay: how wude

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 450 @ 0.14 = 63 BTC

mircea_popescu: eh radom cyphertrade expert opining on shit as if the fecal content of his cranial cavity is now worthy of consideration.

mircea_popescu: people need a jolt.

mircea_popescu: if i may be excused a repost, http://www.dailydot.com/politics/alexis-ohanian-reddit-technology-banned-words/

mircea_popescu: wow.

mircea_popescu: i had no idea reddit is THAT shitty.

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah

fluffypony: it's absurd

fluffypony: and it's a default sub with ~5 mil subscribers

cgcardona_: fwiw the bitcoin discussions on the /r/bitcoin subreddit are pretty bad. I bet it brought out the super trolls to the /r/technology subreddit. still yea it's pretty bad

mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr started a trend!!1

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i can see what the cause was, but my problem is with the mental process.

mircea_popescu: this is not unlike "fixing" problems by setting a filter before the log

mircea_popescu: so particular stuff doesn't end up in the log anymore. so no more log messages, so problem fixed.

cgcardona_: mass market solution to a mass market product

benkay: troll who can master gpg probably realizes they can actually do stuff and gives up trolling to make a living

mircea_popescu: benkay so the hope goes.

fluffypony: heh

benkay: just being user friendly, mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: benkay we can't all be assholes.

benkay: i prefer people to realize i'm an asshole like three weeks later.

benkay: as me ma sed 'manners aren't about making people feel good. they're about plausible deniability.'

mircea_popescu: The filter is gone now, and we'll look to have full human moderator coverage in future. << paid for... wait for it... REDDIT GOLD!!1

benkay: woman's a bit of a knut

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00097728 = 11.483 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: benkay im not a nazi, i can tolerate polite people just like i can tolerate homosexuals. just as long as they don't try to persuade me we're fine :D

fluffypony: so there's this sub-reddit called dogeillionaires, for dogecoin holders with over 1 mil dogecoin (1.2 BTC or so)...so I grabbed dogeillionaires.com, and the sub-reddit creator threw a tantrum because I'm cybersquatting and I'm making a power play (wtf)

mircea_popescu: "Flappy" ? wtf is flappy ?

fluffypony: so I told him he could have it if he asked nicely

mircea_popescu: fluffypony fill it with doge sucks material lol

kakobrekla: flappycoin dude.

fluffypony: so he says he'll send me 5 Doge to make it binding

fluffypony: so I tried to explain GPG contracts to him

mircea_popescu: waitwut ?! 5mn doge ?

fluffypony: used the bitcoin-otc link

fluffypony: and he didn't understand it

Apocalyptic: not mn I fear mircea

mircea_popescu: sounds like he's in the right place then

mircea_popescu: ;;google Flappy

gribble: Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Make Your Own Flappy Bird - Code.org: <http://learn.code.org/s/6/level/148>; Flappy Bert - Sesame Street: <http://www.sesamestreet.org/cms-static/flappy_bert/>

davout: fluffypony: if you're giving it away there's no real point in making a contract anyway

mircea_popescu: srsly wtf flappy.

fluffypony: so eventually I just got pissed and told him that if he even wanted to be peripherally involved in cryptocurrency he should learn that sending 5 doge doth not a contract make

fluffypony: davout: you can't transfer for the first 60 days

benkay: dogillionaire? what is that, 0.01 btc?

kakobrekla: ;;google flappycoin

gribble: FlappyCoin - The next addictive digital crypto coin: <http://flappycoin.info/>; [ANN][FLAP] FlappyCoin REBIRTH - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=464743>; FlappyCoin Community - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Flappycoin>

fluffypony: davout: he wanted to make sure I didn't change my mind in 60 days

fluffypony: I told him to check my WoT rating:-P

benkay: fluffypony: invite him in here.

kakobrekla: its like dogecoin but it has a bird instead of dog.

benkay: kakobrekla stop misleading the man

fluffypony: benkay: he's ignoring me now

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a srsly ? i see.

benkay: flappy bird made someone a lot of press accidentally

davout: fluffypony: so you give him something, for free, he wants you to sign a statement saying you won't retract? weird

kakobrekla: benkay =? is it no?

kakobrekla: not?

BingoBoingo: Next coin: Floppy coin. Instead of a dog or a bird, it is just a bored dick.

benkay: ;;google flappy bird

gribble: Play Flappy Bird: <http://flappybird.io/>; Flappy Bird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flappy_Bird>; Flappy Bird - Play on Crazy Games: <http://www.crazygames.com/game/flappy-bird>

kakobrekla: the what?

mircea_popescu: davout it wouldn't seem weird if you spent more time among doge people, reddit "millionaires" and so forth.

fluffypony: " from autodoge [-5] sent 2 days ago

fluffypony: Hello, Due to your disrespect and lack of understanding of the concept "you have lost the privilege of my reading your messages," you have lost the privilege of my acknowledging you at all. Cheers,

fluffypony: auto"

TomServo: +benkay | fluffypony: invite him in here. << please no.

fluffypony: I disrespected him!

davout: fluffypony: here, have some nail clippings, that'll make it binding

mircea_popescu: fluffypony did this person grow up in a foster home ?

benkay: TomServo: public canings set policy.

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think he's paranoid schizophrenic, to be honest

BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do you still have the domain?

fluffypony: BingoBoingo: of course

BingoBoingo: fluffypony: How much for you to just point it at my blag?

mircea_popescu: fluffypony being a paranoid schzophrenic is fucking expensive. if every fucktard were the holy grail of mental disease mayne mental science would make some progress.

mircea_popescu: alas, they never have enough good ones.

davout: fluffypony: put some forum up, make it the "real" place for dogillionaires to gather

fluffypony: here's another convo he had that pissed someone else off, the dude is clearly crazy: http://i.imgur.com/C5yDOVW.png

Apocalyptic: imo a redirect to trilema would be better

mircea_popescu: fluffypony how much to just point it at http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/ ?

mircea_popescu: i could use a shortener for that long ass url.

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no need, CloudFlare has nice little 302 redirect rules, so the URL can stay long

davout: i could use a dick shortener

mircea_popescu: davout for your gf ?

Azelphur: ^ said no man ever

fluffypony: davout: but then your outie would become an innie

fluffypony: http://dogeillionaires.com

fluffypony: chang chang

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ What's the general consensus on Ethereum? << premined scamcoin, basically.

davout: fluffypony: haha nice

jurov: davout, afterwards can i have a little experiment involving you?

kakobrekla: o fuck , nh hotel burned trilema credits :(

mircea_popescu: fluffypony what do i owe ?

cgcardona_: MP dude you're a champ for going back through the logs.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pm me your ip ?

davout: jurov: sure, as long as it does not involve detaching any limbs from my body

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's cool, I'll bank the favour till I have something worthwhile to ask :)

kakobrekla: we can try but dunno if its static

TomServo: fluffypony: nice.

mircea_popescu: lmao

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i actually enjoy it tbh. i was supposed to be asleep by now, but it's like a drug, this chan.

mircea_popescu: !up bgupta

assbot: Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: bgupta srsly, getr in the wot.

jurov: davout it'll be about the innie, not ur limbs

davout: gross

fluffypony: lol

davout: http://i.imgur.com/b4tlML2.png <<< bwhahaha

benkay: lady v just said that she wants the apartment to look like "the good witch and the mad scientist build a fort in the woods"

mircea_popescu: benkay you being the good witch ?!

benkay: step it up mp for chrissake

TomServo: ;;rate fluffypony 1 Trying to show the dogeillionaries.com the error of their ways

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user fluffypony has been recorded.

fluffypony: hah, thanks

mircea_popescu: ok, favour all paid :D

fluffypony: hah

fluffypony: not a chance :-P

fluffypony: btw "Cars crash all the time, is that a lesson not to drive ?"

fluffypony: I agree

mircea_popescu: fluffypony i don't drive.

benkay: mircea_popescu: is this domain.com/avatar.jpg thing a relic of internets past?

fluffypony: we don't have a choice here, crappy/nonexistent public transport system

rithm: driving is for plebes

mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTres I used to read Krugman frequently like two or three years ago << ok that's the most perverse thing i read on here.

mircea_popescu: benkay no, it's a relic of me being pissed off at gravatar \trying to force you to login on their shithole site.

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/jos-gravatarcom/ << article at the time

ozbot: Jos Gravatar.com pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.

benkay: rather nifty.

mircea_popescu: i kinda like it myself.

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually got himself a nice cookie avvie.

benkay: cookie avatar? how even?

benkay: oh nvm i see.

benkay: av is ck.

benkay: subject of cock: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY

fluffypony: holy cow, does Inaba have the lowest trust rating in the forum?

mircea_popescu: somehow i doubt that

benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=82

ozbot: Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube

fluffypony: well over 3 times higher than TradeFortress' negative trust

mircea_popescu: how about pirate ?

fluffypony: but at any rate, this comment is...interesting to read now; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg1337606#msg1337606

mircea_popescu: shakaru ?

fluffypony: pirate = -12

benkay: nope even that one's wrong

benkay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUO5Iq-7UrY#t=235

ozbot: Superbad Dick dick dicks Ending credits from YouTube by Offliberty - YouTube

mircea_popescu: fluffypony read side by side with http://trilema.com/2013/the-story-of-pointless-and-witless/

fluffypony: shakaru = -4

fluffypony: Inaba = -1468

mircea_popescu: nefario ?

fluffypony: TradeFortress = -451

bgupta: mircea_popescu: eauth’ed

fluffypony: nefario = -4

Apocalyptic: "There is no way in hell you're going to get Joe Sixpack to use either site." // it didn't occur to him that perhaps this was not the goal

mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bgupta

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bgupta!~bgupta@207-237-250-126.c3-0.80w-ubr1.nyr-80w.ny.cable.rcn.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bgupta: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bgupta | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bgupta | Rated since: Thu Jun 9 06:49:47 2011

mircea_popescu: ;;rate bgupta 1 New blood.

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bgupta has been recorded.

mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic because joe sixpack is derping around on the nyse like... erryday.

Apocalyptic: obviously

fluffypony: yeah

fluffypony: that part seems to be non-obvious to most

Apocalyptic: I guess he also think everyone can be and is entitled to be an investor

mircea_popescu: kinda funny to put "new blood" ratings on a 2011 wot profile

mircea_popescu: bgupta now you can voice yourself, id with gribble and pm assbot !up

kakobrekla: well, such is the world of tanks.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 550 @ 0.14 = 77 BTC

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20576 @ 0.00097625 = 20.0873 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: anyone here even remember foodstamp ?

kakobrekla: i do

mircea_popescu: how young we were.

fluffypony doesn't

fluffypony: clue me in?

mircea_popescu: i srsly never felt as aged irl as i do in 3 years of btc.

bgupta: I do

kakobrekla: well, im still young, grandpa.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00097208 = 3.0621 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: fluffypony one of the original money order scammers

fluffypony: ah ok

kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=503566.msg6272884#msg6272884

ozbot: Safello launches complete redesign of website as it gears up for European expans

kakobrekla: so, i rate the guy half a year ago, note not to do biz with

mircea_popescu: what again ?

kakobrekla: this is what happens.

mircea_popescu: didn't they do that a few months ago too ?

kakobrekla: the post is by deadterra

kakobrekla: and below

kakobrekla: "IS ONE SCAM NOT ENOUGH? PAY OUT THE ICEDRILL DIVIDENDS."

mircea_popescu: whooooa wait wait. safello was eirk's whatever, sorta-bitpay for iceland or something, no ?

mircea_popescu: what connection to icedrill ?

kakobrekla: the connection is deadterra

kakobrekla: he is a fuckin idiot.

kakobrekla: possibly scammy.

mircea_popescu: i c

kakobrekla: i think erik lost his compass

Apocalyptic: kinda sad to read

kakobrekla: ;;rated deadterra

gribble: You rated user deadterra on Wed Sep 4 18:41:21 2013, with a rating of -5, and supplied these additional notes: sloppy opprtunistic unreliable, bad at what he does, avoid.

kakobrekla: fyi.

mircea_popescu: ;;rated deadterra

gribble: You have not yet rated user deadterra

mircea_popescu: isn't this like the only PT op that ended up on my ignore ?

kakobrekla: i dunno what grows on your ignore garden

Apocalyptic: he's a 'Donator', that usually is a good clue

BingoBoingo: Lowest trust I've seen on Bitcointalk is Garr255 with -2456 trust

kakobrekla: lol

mircea_popescu: ahaha slander.

kakobrekla: yeah shut up BingoBoingo, fishes, pans, frying.

BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It's only wrong because the fish he fries is his self

kakobrekla: :)

mircea_popescu: davout: fluffypony: i doubt hb has been actively exploited in the wild, can be wrong tho << what are you, like a quaker ?!

BingoBoingo: His ugly, ugly fish self

davout: mircea_popescu fluffypony what i meant is more something like "by someone else than the nsa", but like i said, i could be dead wrong about it :-)

mircea_popescu: a, like that it has more of a leg.

mircea_popescu: someone's name really is "buster roni" ?!

mircea_popescu: davout: bitcoin.com belongs to the folks that bought bitoinica << how ?!

davout: mircea_popescu: tihan seale told me he owned bitcoin.com, or the fund or whatever he was representing

mircea_popescu: http://www.dailydot.com/news/reddit-censorship-technology-drama-default/

ozbot: Reddit strips r/technology's default status amid moderator turmoil

mircea_popescu: le wow.

mircea_popescu: davout and this is credible, because tihan seale didn't lie about pretty much every other thing he said, ever.

mircea_popescu: if the guy said he had terminal aids cancer he got from prostituting himself for nickles i'd suspect it.

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I think that's his nick...busterroni, like pepperoni

mircea_popescu: because nuts rarely lie towards humiliating themselves.

mircea_popescu: but claiming he like... owns shit ? heh.

davout: mircea_popescu: in the context of the conversation we had he didn't really have a motive to lie about it, but hey, who knows

mircea_popescu: fluffypony not a bad one. he could make a great pepperoni pizza brand

fluffypony: heh

mircea_popescu: fluffypony how do you know this stickball character btw ?

benkay: mrs tick ball

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we're in a similar business space, I've bought from him and he's bought from me

fluffypony: and there's a lot of shared interest

fluffypony: buyahash is going to be carrying some OpenRigs products soon, for eg.

mircea_popescu: this is telling me exactly nothing, but asyway.

fluffypony: well there's been an exchange of money and product several times and neither party has screwed the other over

mircea_popescu: so this makes your butcher an amazing person or you don't eat meat ?

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

fluffypony: wife is vegetarian, but I love me some ribs

fluffypony ponders

fluffypony: look, to go full circle back to that "why do we trust" discussion

fluffypony: a lot of it is based on successful, successive interactions

fluffypony: I've had enough interactions with him to think him a trustworthy, reasonably competent fellow

fluffypony: amazing was being a little tongue-in-cheek

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

mircea_popescu: notrly how this works. so did you lend him fiddy bux ten times and he repaid every time or did you deliver him $5mn worth of widgets on net30 which he paid for as agreed.

fluffypony: !up mrstickball

assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.

mrstickball: so what is being questioned of me?

fluffypony: well if I must distill the rating into something more concise

fluffypony: ;;rated mrstickball

gribble: You rated user mrstickball on Thu Apr 17 14:41:43 2014, with a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: a fantastic human being who happens to run Buy-A-Hash.

mrstickball: !gettrust mrstickball

mrstickball: ;gettrust mrstickball

mircea_popescu: !down mrstickball

davout: ;;gettrust mrstickball

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user davout to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

davout: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-eektlejeeyngkrhe. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013

fluffypony: ;;rate mrstickball 4 runs buy-a-hash, which carries openrigs products, and have had several large financial interactions (purchases/sales)

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mrstickball has changed from 4 to 4.

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: better?

mrstickball: There we go

mircea_popescu: fluffypony notrly but anyway.

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ok so then be specific, because the rating is nowhere near a 10 and contains as much info as I can pack into that shortform

mircea_popescu: well, not to be a bore, but didja read the what wot is how to use it article ?

mrstickball: mircea_popescu: my company is a known quantity. So I guess you should ask specific questions of me

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I have, and I don't see how my rating excludes anyone contacting me for more info?

mrstickball: if you're asking me, yes. I never requested ratings by anyone I've done trades with

mircea_popescu: but ... i just did contact you for more info.

mrstickball: admittedly, its been a few months since I dealt with WoT and gribble to re-auth

mrstickball: Through which channel?

mrstickball: this?

fluffypony: mircea_popescu: by your own example, you should ask for more information with a purpose - "I am considering buying a used car from Moe. I see that you have rated him in the past. How did that go ?"

mircea_popescu: i was trying to evaluate whether the guy should be salvaged or i should just ignore him.

mircea_popescu: meanwhile i ignored him so the point is moot.

mrstickball: heh

mrstickball: praise from caesar

fluffypony: I think it's whisky time, my brain is frazzled :-P

mrstickball: I gotta head to church anyway

mircea_popescu: "Of course we had our servicemen behind the self-defense units of Crimea," Putin said during an annual televised call-in with the nation on Thursday.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that settles that eh.

fluffypony: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/

ozbot: That flyer about Jews needing to 'register' in Ukraine is fake

fluffypony: well

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly so.

TomServo: Is that regarding a bet you made BingoBoingo?

BingoBoingo: TomServo: One I wrote.

BingoBoingo: Like many bets, with a time machine the specs could have been better.

mircea_popescu: !up Kleeck

assbot: Voicing Kleeck for 30 minutes.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06695 = 0.2678 BTC [+]

fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I can sell you a time machine for cheap

BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/#c2822

ozbot: BitBet - Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo

BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Define "Time Machine"

fluffypony: BingoBoingo: for the low, low cost of only 1000 Buttcoins, I will provide a machine that allows you to effortlessly move through time*

BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Well I move through time in one direction easily enough already

fluffypony: ok you've caught me, that's pretty much what it does

Apocalyptic: .d

ozbot: 6.979 billion | Next Diff in 1982 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.7887% in 10d 21h 12m 22s

fluffypony: * forward direction only, movement in real-time only

mircea_popescu: jurov TestingUnoDosTres actually im fucking fascinated by the notion of... trading bitbet bets ?!

TomServo: So what's the deal with lack of insignia anyhow?

mircea_popescu: nubbins` hey, good you're ok.

mircea_popescu: TomServo budget cuts ?

BingoBoingo: TomServo: Lawful combatant status

fluffypony: uniforms weren't ready on time

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7053 @ 0.000971 = 6.8485 BTC [-]

fluffypony: expectation vs. reality: http://i.imgur.com/sShi4uM.jpg

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: lmao, i have been banned for months, and yet still << they purging old threads you mean ?!

kakobrekla: looks like

kakobrekla: that post was months old.

mircea_popescu: odd.

fluffypony: maybe they're banning sarcasm?

fluffypony: right enough for one night, I need to sleep, cheers

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00097087 = 4.5145 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: "The week after Thanksgiving, 40 Clinkle employees gathered in the kitchen of their San Francisco office. It was the second time in two days theyd been called together for an all-hands meeting."

mircea_popescu: the importance of the kitchen for tech start-ups : if you hold the meeting there, even the women can participate.

kakobrekla: ok i found the original

kakobrekla: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/starting-a-new-fpga-mining-farm-contract-cognitive-resurrected-on-havelock.47052/page-109#post-4510378

ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock] | Page 109 | Bitcointa.l

kakobrekla: jan 26.

kakobrekla: so like 4 months old?

mircea_popescu: i guess forum got upgraded, mods got hired, it's going to get like all cleared up nao.

kakobrekla: if i had to make a bet, id say garr made the complaint.

kakobrekla: while he is in hiding.

BingoBoingo: ;;later tell moiety are you Snail2 on bitcointalk... Their avatar appears to be a Manul

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: "this month i will pay dividends in deleted posts on a forum people who like to talk about bitcoin write for other people who like to talk about bitcoin"

kakobrekla: lol.

TomServo: I hurt myself reading that.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012392 = 0.2478 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 40 @ 0.00599099 = 0.2396 BTC [+] {3}

mircea_popescu: "Clinkle is also building out a robust rewards system with gamification elements. For example, if you use Clinkle to buy things, you might earn a free coffee. "

mircea_popescu: i hurt myself reading THAT

mircea_popescu: who the fuck is so destitute they can't afford a coffee the moment they want one, and who the fuck would want such a person within a mile.

mircea_popescu: for that matter, when did coffee become comodized anyway. "a coffee" means nothing, unless it means sex.

BingoBoingo: Someone who was never forced to stop being a college student?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 850 @ 0.00015604 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {3}

mircea_popescu: you know, universities force dorks to pay 10's of k's a year to be college students.

mircea_popescu: none of these apps ever will.

BingoBoingo: I don't think I've ever paid tuition in my life

mircea_popescu: o hey, i grew up in a communist country too.

artifexd: Is ThickAsThieves in Romania yet? I need his help.

BingoBoingo: lol

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0286245 = 0.1145 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.06589816 = 1.5816 BTC [-] {8}

BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/04/17/kids_in_nightclubs_new_york_clubs_host_parties_for_children_6_12.html

ozbot: Kids in nightclubs: New York clubs host parties for children 6-12.

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: isn't your thing today?

thestringpuller: shouldn't you be off doing secret society illuminati shit?

TomServo: BingoBoingo: lol

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that was earlier.

TomServo: There was some terrible BS on vice about the 'baby DJ school'

BingoBoingo: TomServo: My favorite part of the story is the parents taking their medicine at the bar

thestringpuller: I think this is the harshest review tag I've ever seen >> "You don't need a heart to like this movie. You need an MBA."

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0645125 = 0.7742 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC

mircea_popescu: mbas aren't that bad are they

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00097087 = 16.6019 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: ;;tslb

gribble: Time since last block: 26 minutes and 29 seconds

thestringpuller: http://mpex.co/assets/s.mpoe-2FB7B452.txt is there a reason 4 repeats at the end

mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how does it repeat ?

mircea_popescu: jesus what a mess.

thestringpuller: 4.3. This contract is protected as copyrighted material. It may not be reused by different parties without the express permission of MPEx.ch calendar month.

thestringpuller: dunno how it got obfuscated

mircea_popescu: it looks like a nutty copy/paste error that somehow nobody picked on in... years ?

thestringpuller: i haven't verified the sig lol oh well sorry to bring you bad news

thestringpuller: or weird news

thestringpuller: OR WEIRD SCIENCE

thestringpuller: just very bored

mircea_popescu: well good for you.

mircea_popescu: the 2nd 2 should be a 3 too so i guess next week is mpoe contract update day o.o

mircea_popescu: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4 << this is pretty lulzy to read in para-lel with brilliant

mircea_popescu: "I was flattered by his interest, so I thought it over. That is, I indulged in what young men frequently mistake for thought. In imagination, I saw my name over the door and myself in a fine glass office looking out and watching clerks taking in money. I had, in anticipation, the thrill of buying one store after another and going from town to town on tours of inspection. I tickled my fancy with the idea of coming back

mircea_popescu: to college and letting the boys consult me as an experienced man of affairs. And having finished this process of thinking I wired Carroll that I was ready to join him."

mircea_popescu: !up joe_blow

assbot: Voicing joe_blow for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: "There were culture-building events like parties and baseball games. Employees would dress up for Wacky Wednesdays, sip mimosas on Fridays during lunch, and sunbathe on the office roof deck. Duplan was quickly becoming a star around Stanfords campus prompting both awe and jealousy and not everyone was a fan."

mircea_popescu: .d

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0639717 = 1.4074 BTC [-] {4}

mircea_popescu: otherwise, almost neobee to a fault. "The growth teams met ambitious goals by targeting the most influential students on campus, such as group presidents and fraternity and sorority leaders. The leaders were shown some images from the website, and the deal was sealed with a compelling prize: If the entire organization signed up for Clinkles waitlist, then all of them downloaded the app on the day it became available

mircea_popescu: , the group could win a $500 party, spa visit or stereo-system package. None of the pitches included a demo of the actual app."

mircea_popescu: this sort of retarded shit's becoming something like the new normal.

BingoBoingo: "After the sales team hit its 100,000 sign-up milestone on a Wednesday in late September, Clinkle paid for a booze bus to take them out partying that Friday. Two days later, a dozen people who had been on that bus received a phone call from Clinkles management team. The message: Dont come into work tomorrow youre fired.

BingoBoingo: Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/inside-story-of-clinkle-2014-4#ixzz2zBxYIrmw

BingoBoingo: "

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06279904 = 0.314 BTC [-] {2}

thestringpuller: lololol

thestringpuller: business insider is powered by mongodb?!?!?

thestringpuller: like

thestringpuller: uh

thestringpuller: what?

BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Interesting how these things reveal themselves

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13790 @ 0.00097298 = 13.4174 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: One described the way engineers were treated versus everyone else as a caste system within Clinkle. Another said there was segregation in terms of how departments were treated by management.

mircea_popescu: For example, only engineers, some designers and product people were given stock. And some of the other departments, such as operations, were asked to do menial tasks for the engineers.

mircea_popescu: holy shit.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19910 @ 0.0009755 = 19.4222 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: HOW do these people expect a fucking company to work already ?

mircea_popescu: facebook is responsible i swear. every nutcase imagines himself randi zuckerberg now.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9179 @ 0.00097085 = 8.9114 BTC [-] {2}

artifexd: I guess the programmers weren't perceived as fungible at Clinkle.

mircea_popescu: zing :D

mircea_popescu: "The sound technology, the source says, doesnt yet work. A noise as common as a blender in the background at a coffee shop might cause it to malfunction."

mircea_popescu: they were not fungible, they were fucktarded.

mircea_popescu: no checksum bits, seriously ?

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so this new article on trilema...

mircea_popescu: hm ?

thestringpuller: "attacking the wot"

mircea_popescu: artifexd you know, im not proposing every engineer out there should be made sausage by nubbins.

mircea_popescu: but the perspective never hurt anyone.

artifexd: It absolutely does not hurt to occasionally think, "How easily could I be replaced by a small shell script?"

mircea_popescu: it just feels like it hurts

mircea_popescu: that's all.

artifexd: And, fwiw, my feelings aren't *still* hurt. :)

mircea_popescu: if you ever read dune, there's a cube in there

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.02754321 = 1.3221 BTC [-] {13}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0620051 = 0.6201 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00097687 = 22.468 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.00073009 = 0.3935 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1931 @ 0.00071489 = 1.3805 BTC [-] {7}

thestringpuller: sell sell sell!

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1856 @ 0.00097085 = 1.8019 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.027 = 0.135 BTC [-] {3}

BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 495.99, vol: 19927.44828881 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 482.5, vol: 15334.15123 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 498.61, vol: 18144.33534622 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 506.65, vol: 130.98620093 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 491.5813, vol: 6521.38600000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 503.80348, vol: 16.26733719 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 507.577186619, vol: 108.99092749 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)

BingoBoingo: ;;more

gribble: average: 492.911351215

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5844 @ 0.00096964 = 5.6666 BTC [-]

thestringpuller: wo really mpoe?

cgcardona_: ;;ticker

gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.54, Best ask: 496.74, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 494.54, 24 hour volume: 19864.09287664, 24 hour low: 481.63, 24 hour high: 530.66, 24 hour vwap: 502.001018804

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 48 @ 0.06292704 = 3.0205 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0620051 = 0.31 BTC [-]

TestingUnoDosTre: Do I want persistence on a USB drive Linux that I'll be using to access/store offline funds ?

Duffer1: i'm not sure man, i just downloaded ubuntu 14.04 myself, i have no idea what best practices are

TestingUnoDosTre: didn't 14.04 just come out like... today?

nubbins`: it depends on whether you want to store keys on there or not

nubbins`: or passwords, whatever

Duffer1: ya testing

Duffer1: the last time i used linux was redhat for dummies half a lifetime ago

TestingUnoDosTre: Keys like GPG keys, or keys like private bitcoin keys?

Duffer1: so i'm not exactly up on security practices :P

TestingUnoDosTre: nubbins, let's say yes I do want to store keys there

TestingUnoDosTre: would that be yes, persistence desired?

nubbins`: i'd assume so, yes

nubbins`: for example, persistence wouldn't be an option if you were running linux from a cdr

nubbins`: because you can't save your changes

TestingUnoDosTre: But I will need persistence if I want to download some bitcoin client and maybe like python-qt4 when I first boot?

nubbins`: you will need it if you don't want to have to download a client and python every time you boot

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02628999 = 0.184 BTC [-] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05325 = 0.1065 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0629999 = 0.252 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: thanks

TestingUnoDosTre: another question - thoughts on armory?

BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Good things are said about it. The offline component is light. The online part not so much

TestingUnoDosTre: offline is what I'm looking for

BingoBoingo: TestingUnoDosTre: Well, Armory has an offline half and an online half.

TestingUnoDosTre: oh

BingoBoingo: The offline half just does signing and never should go online ever

BingoBoingo: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/04/twitter-parody-account-holder-sought-in-police-raid/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31106 @ 0.00097539 = 30.3405 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: internet crime

TestingUnoDosTre: fuck me in the ass I need to get out of this country quick

artifexd: !up ThickAsThieves

assbot: Voicing ThickAsThieves for 30 minutes.

artifexd: How goes it?

ThickAsThieves: Not bad

ThickAsThieves: I thought i didnt need to gribble auth everytime if i was nickseev id'd

artifexd: I could use your help

artifexd: Yeah. Gotta be ident for assbot to pay you any mind

ThickAsThieves: My ability to help is limited

ThickAsThieves: Sup?

artifexd: Can you appoint me as an altcoin representative?

ThickAsThieves: Lol

ThickAsThieves: No such thing

artifexd: I'm trying to grab control of #altcoin.

artifexd: You have control over therealaltcoin.org, right?

ThickAsThieves: Yes

ThickAsThieves: But i dont control Altcoin per se

ThickAsThieves: Its open source etc

artifexd: Work with me here

ThickAsThieves: Im trying to keep an open mind

ThickAsThieves: Why do u want control anyway?

artifexd: I want to set a topic to reduce the amount of OMGBBQCoin questions.

ThickAsThieves: Doesn't someone already control it?

artifexd: The founder is metabyte. He registered the channel over a year ago. Hasn't been in it for...

artifexd: 44 weeks.

artifexd: He hasn't authed with nickserv in 19 weeks.

artifexd: Dude ain't around

ThickAsThieves: So rhe process for controlling it would be to state purpose and provide url?

ThickAsThieves: Seems a lil loose but i also dont get how to make someone an official rep

artifexd: Pop into #freenode. Ask a staffer to transfer control. Answer whatever questions he has. (Is it open source? Etc...)

artifexd: If you recognize me as a rep, I'm a rep.

TestingUnoDosTre: what magic is this?

artifexd: I can point them at the bitcointalk thread. And say, "See ThickAsThieves created the project. He says I am a rep. Don't believe me? Ask him."

artifexd: If they ask, say "Yep"

artifexd: The fact that the founder of the channel is long absent and his nickserv account is expired make it much easier.

artifexd: Oh. Look at you. Doing it yourself. Awesome.

ThickAsThieves: No answers in the room tho

artifexd: Staffers have been kinda lacking the last few hours.

ThickAsThieves: I only represent myself when i can

ThickAsThieves: Lessons learned etc

artifexd: It is no hurry. It is no big deal.

BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Shouldn't you be getting some sleep?

ThickAsThieves: Its morning

ThickAsThieves: In Romania

ThickAsThieves: I only sleep like 5 hrs usually

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9866 @ 0.00097435 = 9.6129 BTC [-] {2}

TestingUnoDosTre: what in the hell is wrong with you

TestingUnoDosTre: I'm like a zombie even if I make it out with 7

ThickAsThieves: Been this way a long time i dunno

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