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(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: I'd compare your fdisk -l /dev/sda with the contents of /etc/fstab
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: why would it need to download timestamped files?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yeah, portage needs to die - 70k loc, python.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but if mod6 is in need of something that works, well - there it is
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: hence, I reccomend waiting on the automated install
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it'll eat an entire day
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Section #2, Installing
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !s system.html
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it has been tested twice, is solid
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: I have a *working* funtoo install guide, which is for all intents and purposes the same as gentoo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: re:not rewriting code, the story of CMUCL and its transformation into SBCL is quite pertinent
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: still don't have funding, but coming along
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ty BingoBoingo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up ascii_field
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !gettrust artifexd
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: artifexd: how goes gossipd?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up ascii_field
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up TheAdversary
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: what is your ultimate goal with the gentoo quest?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up pete_dushenski
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: copypaste: re: your ddos / anon problems, have you read about wotnet in the logs? \
(trilema) gabriel_laddel is going for a walk
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up pete_dushenski
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: Nope. Consider this a request for a blog post on your travels in these two regions.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: ever been to China or Korea?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richling << Impressive resume. Mitch also has a collection of CL mathematics hacks, mjrcalc.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: are you traveling the world, or do you take up residency in these countries from time to time?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up pete_dushenski
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up pete_dushenski
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: how do the trains compare to your merc?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: modular, robotically assembled human habitation
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: OpenGL needs to be taken out back and shot, along with its creators
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: right?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: noted.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: (he raised something like 30MM - is doing traditional housing)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: also, I tried getting someone doing housing in SF excited about it
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: nah, it was a message to someone on #lisp
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: how I would go about it - pastebin.com/AdTXnKT6
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: So, they put up signs warning schoolgirls about being molested on the packed trains, but never put any effort into... putting personal space on the trains or the like.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: ah, but the weird bit is that this is (according to asa akira) the *most common* offense in JP, and happens to a huge percentage of the population.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ I can't read Japanese, but that looks correct from what I've read of the phenomenon.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: Idk what exactly your goals are on your gentoo quest, but have you reached the conclusion that portage is insane and must go?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mod6: ^ is based on funtoo, a variant of gentoo.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BAD (#bitcoin-assets distro) update #3. Install works (writing this from a machine formatted in the past 24hrs) and is a massive PITA. Next TODO on my list is to radically simplify (automate) the install. I've updated install doc if anyone is interested: gabriel-laddel.github.io/system.html
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: did you see the signs telling schoolchildren to "beware the chikan"?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: JP is weird. I don't know that they're censoring it because they find it "offensive"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Oh that would make a lovely hentai. Breaking the 4th wall pixellation of privates.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: pete_dushenski: you've been to JP?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: that sounds lovely
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: so what jurisdiction are you visiting today?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up pete_dushenski
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: hola pete_dushenski
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !s epic mega-series
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: I've nfi what twodogs land is and idk
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ;; later tell nubbins` where all did you live in Korea?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: send you an email with the solution
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: MP has asked that I 'get a blog', and it is probably the proper format for detailing the sales / marketing strategy. If I decide to follow up on this thread I'll do so there.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: even then, they'll most likely ask you about just adding it on top of osx/windows << yeah, this is in part why I'll have to target individuals
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and you can sell computers preloaded without needig big investment, if you find a niche where you can considerably improve their process << this is true.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: jurov: masamune is a WIP source-only linux distro with a sane set of defaults and 'scaffolding' for conducting research, business.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: jurov: I'm responding (belatedly) to log messages directed at me, apologies if it's bothering you.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Finishing that thought: supporting everything for everyone is simply too much work. Abandoning this seriously reduces the workload on one's organization. Of course, it remains to be seen the degree to which this is a competitive advantage.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: with it. As such, their product ends up as a label change from Windows/OSX to "phree1!" software. Impotence is boring, nobody cares.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ., the System76 site, they advertise that "Ubuntu Server is easy to set up and lightweight, including only what you need out of the box. It’s powerfully extended with thousands of commercial and open source server applications.". They have the opportunity to piss all over portability, bring something alien to earth and... they don't know what to do
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=22-05-2015#1143981 << It seems to me that the question is, "why have people selling computers preloaded with their software failed (Apple does this, but their computers are braindamaged, a failure by 'design')?" Interpretation: all companies in this space occupy a position in "uncanny valley". If you look at e.g
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the bar is so very low
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: tbh, any country could really become the center of the universe provided they stop being idiots
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: amazing - they have a port city and two nuclear reactors
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the collapse can't come quick enough
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ugh, earth is fucking gay
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I fully expect WoT enabled housing and clubs btw
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: so wait, you actually bought a disco in ar?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: a world without the WoT is just silly
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: if you end up in a war for any reason, well... idk, tough
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: someone has to be out to get you at that point, and yeah
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: like actually different functions
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: or even slightly different versions for large clients, with different libs
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: sure, start there when selling to idiots, for big contracts scale accordingly
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: if some bastardized version of our shared bits shows up a torrents site I can maintain your account with me accordingly
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: rather than paying for my version?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and people are going to download and use this?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: yes, someone may discover your watermark
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: This isn't the only way to go about watermarking code though.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: how do you know how I've watermarked it?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: we don't need DRM, we just need to know who leaked which code
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The problem with the DRM crowd is that nothing they have is valuable enough for someone to give a damn about maintaining the relationship.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I don't know how to get a hard guarantee, so don't. It becomes a "state secret" sort of situation at that point.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: the DRM crowd wants is both ways - they want to sell to everyone and to have them not be able to share it
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Nope, just don't sell to people who share your bits
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: y'can't, i know. << oh I wouldn't say that.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: dly) that IP would take the form of gpg signatures on "i will not send this code around to anyone else", unenforceable just like the rest of the gpg contracts << Correct.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes in particular it's unclear to me how wise the "licenses" angle is for a serenissima derivative. while i declined to anull IP when diametric asked earlier, i am very very far from any sort of belief that the current model of that stack of stupidity has any sort of hope for survival. << i figured (perhaps stupi
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: what I'd do is try to land a client that gives no shits about masamune, but needs something it can do << I plan on approaching both. But yes, to restrict oneself to those who Lisp is braindamaged - people who know nothing about computer programming notice when software works well and will happily pay for something that doesn't break, get h
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: just (print some-sexpr wotnet-stream) and (read wotnet-stream) all the way
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: but come on, gimme a sandboxed lisp-ish thing, let it grab text over sockets, draw pretty pictures on a rectangle, done << hehe yep.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: WIP, no shame in that << You followed the install guide or just (ql:quickload 'masamune)'d it?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: well that's the game isn't it?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: one just has to be selling shovels and pickaxes
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Hrm. Interesting argument.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I don't understand your argument here - you're saying that no one would pay for a working portage because people don't buy "chemistry"?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: also, people buy chemistry classes
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: people do buy chemicals, but they don't buy "chemistry" << see hyperchem lite
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: It's moronic fyi
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: so does sublime text, and yet people fork over $70USD for it
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "I need to do my job, can't reasonably do it without XYZ, so I'll buy it"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: how is buying an actually working package manager any different?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: people buy industrial chemicals, do they not?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: okay
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money..."
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: holy fucking god almighty
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: sure, it exists
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: portage doesn't work
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: try reading the message pl0x
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've got a blog
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ineers is to remove idiotic nonsense (OpenGL, Gentoo, Portage) from their lives. If you think OpenGL isn't a huge time sink, think again: http://gabriel-laddel.github.io/arsttep.html#sec-5-2
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: To those who would say "Oh you can't possibly sell a 3D CLIM, no one needs that" I will note that we *know* the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (Weapons and Complex Integration) built VisIt on top of OpenGL. They accept it as a given. USG doesn't want to win wars, but I'm willing to bet that someone on Earth does. One easy way to free up eng
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: y-taught-in-3d) and no one is catering to their needs. System76 exists, they sell linux computers but their machines suck because they're stupid. I see no reason I can't sell computers pre-loaded with Masamune. Frankly, the marketing for all these companies sucks and I don't think it'll be terribly difficult to do far better.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm not planning on selling Masamune. It will be free and stocked with niceties. Where I do plan to make money is on (source-included) extensions, which amounts to contracting gigs setting up intricate lessons for large companies, militaries, private schools and homeschoolers. Aside from this, various products I'd like to make and sell: a CL only I
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: DE (with all the goodies MP and I discussed previously - !s paper clip), 3D CLIM (actually a rather involved project - selecting the correct hardware, reverse engineered opengl drivers etc is expensive and how exactly this gets split off into various products is complicated), a program that does run-time analysis on your CL code and optimizes it in
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ll solve these exact problems and cost $100 dollars - it won't. My point /is/ that the notion there couldn't possibly be a unix worth paying for is absurd.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: etc), you wouldn't shell over $100 for it? You've already advertised spending a week(!) setting up a gentoo. ben_vulpes wasted at least an hour trying to figure out what the hell portage overlays do even. mod6 burnt god knows how long writing an (unfinished) gentoo install guide. How little is everyone's time worth? My point is not that Masamune wi
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ It appears that I should properly make the business case. If the unix in question had a sane substitute for portage (clearly specified set of systems guaranteed to build for a specified set of versions, no cyclic dependencies when you try to enable the USE flag for docs globally, sane CLOS structuring of the systems, `build' builds, `test' tests
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: hinks he has some kind of divine exception from the shit-wine-mixture-theorem
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: *: BingoBoingo finds most confusing about gabriel_laddel that he would suppose people pay for *nix'en + asciilifeform: i must confess that i personally would not pay -anything- for a unix of any description whatsoever. + mircea_popescu: i still don't see the money part. this is art, at best. + asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the way i understand, he t
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-05-2015#1142114 << apparently he doesn't think so, which is strange. i do. << ftr, I see this as progress. Knowing macrofab exists and having a working relationship is useful.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: trinque: laugh if you like, but my issue with gabriel_laddel is precisely that he is willing to compromise -too much- rather than not enough. << ...
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: guy's never sold a thing in his life << lol
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: but the guy was dead set on building this whole relational coding environment for... I don't know, your grandmother, anyone, "the people"! << idk wtf he was smoking - sounds like you should have packaged and sold it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: after he beats the word "waste" into your skull << ?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: you may at best go work for the guy who can << hey, lemme know when you find him - I'm still searching.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: sorta like the only other outfit of that period, thinking machines corp. << unlike smbx, I've heard that their producs were never competitive, in spite of having all the brains and lisp machines they could possibly want. Related to the whole "they burned a pile of money" I've also been told they bought a firetruck to play with (wtf,
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and often blamed for killing'em. but this is not entirely unlike a boozer blaming a particular bottle of rotgut 20 yrs ago for his death. << lol
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ty BingoBoingo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: re to (at most) become a "high powered businessman" (whatever that means, idk).
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: g a business. EG: from what I can tell, it consists of fill out paperwork, go to point (lat,long), fill out more paperwork, if you fill out enough paperwork, you'll get special moron coins that you can spend at select hotels or trade in for airline credits. Fucking idiot nonsense to fill the lives of shmucks whose time isn't worth anything and aspi
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: engineers suck at management is the long and the short of it. << I see no reason that this must be the case, but yes, fiat-land tends to breed engineers who are terrible with money (bill gosper, stallman, richard gabriel). It also tends to make idiot managers. IMHO much of this is because of all the inane nonsense involved in runnin
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up Guest14108
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up CheckDavid
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: !up CheckDavid
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: This is basically my current utility afaik
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: only discoveries. no inventions. << Okay, this makes sense - but someone must discover.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: my experience suggests that one must fuck them for this to be the case.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Heh, women tend to not be loyal to me.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I just happen to enjoy reading.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm not a socialist in anycase, I support my own being evicted.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: lol but why ? she wouldn't let you get evicted. << I think she'd actually evict me, then decry that there were homeless programmers.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu thinks gabriel and janna would make a perfect couple. << I'm almost insulted.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you're a capitalist everything exists << this makes no sense to me.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: shit catch up with them and we end up where we are today - nothing works and everyone insists that it does because they've bought into a lie. As for "is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise", thank you, will update.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ally burn some of Earth's brighter minds, someone needs to think about the gnarly parser semantics when the language's syntax is updated - my experience is that you can't pay people to care) 3. use lisp. People have already tried 1 & 2, and the result is inevitably that even if they make money (Mathematica, Microsoft, Oracle...) the foundations of
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: s, industrial chemists, architects, research physicists etc would like to have a plug-and-play solution for going about their work. There is money to be made here. Afaik the only way to get there is: 1. revert to paper 2. teach *everyone* what an AST is, choose a language, add AST traversal mechanisms and write *everything* in it (this will continu
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Intellij. The problem with these (ALGOL based) businesses is that their organizations ossify because of the sheer number of people that must get involved in any sort of "automation of programming". This is inescapable if you choose to use ALGOL. I realize that this isn't a result you believe exists, but reality doesn't care. Aside from software dev
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: e effect of "linux devs are idiots and I'd like a judiciously defaulted gentoo please". The question is, at what point does this become something that you (or others ben_vulpes, mod6, asciilifeform etc have already wasted time derping with gentoo) would pay for? People pay for (what they see as) quality software - sublime text makes money, as does
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: im not going to go into how "Most ideas humans would like to communicate using the computer are quite simple." is both factually incorrect and a very poor premise. << I didn't see this prior to our conversation, courtesy of not paying my bills. This is actually the crux of it, so let's revisit. You've publicly stated something to th
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: alright, goodnight.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: story time: I ran into loper-os after a stint programming clojure as a day job. I ended up getting evicted for playing around with CL instead of paying rent. I got another place, found trilema+#bitcoin-assets and... got evicted again.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Though I'll note the "chasing a better world a dollar at a time" makes a great deal of sense, unless one lives in the peculiar bezzle-buck nightmare we currently inhabit.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'd end up having to type for them, and at that point, wtf I'll just do it myself
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: but in this particular situation, who?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: admittedly, you can hire people
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: This model is bizzare. So if I'm a capitalist I should make money to purchase that which does not exist?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "he;s a capitalist not a metaphysicist. " << I don't understand how this follows
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: If it doesn't exist, and other people want it - go make and sell it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Hmm.. I think 4 should be "the capitalist simply presumes it *will* exist"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: My position is simply that I can be broke and work on what I want to work on without being terribly inconvenienced
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: "that didn't. well... suppose it exists and costs what I have +1"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: That sentence is somewhat confusing.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ^ this is my impression
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'd happily work at pretty much anything to make money for a sane computer.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: if sane computing existed I would (update and then) send out my resume
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I just happen to be atm
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I've not always been broke
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: it doesn't exist.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Again, I would happily pay 10k-20k for a computing environment that doesn't waste my time.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The real question is - how much did they spend on real estate in CA?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Symbolics Inc. made quite a bit of money - their products were not braindamaged.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Mathematica makes money, people say the exact same things about their software "I have lived in a...", but their product is braindamaged.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: exactly
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: eventually, if possible sell a 3D 'CLIM'
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I plan to write custom (source included) extensions for select parteners
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: ke to complete it. Via Masamune it is possible to find out what these people are doing, optimize confusing paths etc.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I took an early demo (long before I discovered CLIM) to large company X, demonstrated all the information I could collect, that I could write lessons integrated into the whole desktop environment. This company has the sneaking suspicion that people sort of dick around during the onboarding process and there is a huge variation in how long people ta
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you had Eurola shipped in 1/2 the time this would matter to you, no?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: at least, this is my prediction
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: and you'll say something similar to trinque "I have lived in a river of shit my entire life"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: everything will "click"
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I'd argue with you, but it'll be less labor intensive to just wait until you use it (or even a select codebase like CLIM)
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: 03:55:16 mircea_popescu: or for that matter, predict the next one, so you know where not to go o.O << Cincinnati
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: trinque: is that like when gabriel_laddel reads loper-os then screams about lisp at everyone? << After using CLIM, do you feel like screaming at people?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: romptly forget about it. Actual people don't forget the experience of using something interesting (see your own hypercard post). I want them to be absolutely fucking incensed when they encounter windows or the like. Also, I love being able to kill/yank text in the browser + Emacs + CLIM. Also, money.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: CL. Additionally, I want people who have no prior knowledge of computing to develop taste. Gedankenexperiment: spend 10k USD, purchase stock PCs, preload with something somewhat sane (Actually complete Masamune/bitcoin-assets distro) and distribute to a class of kids "learning to program". IMHO they'll play around with it, do their work and then p
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2015#1097935 << I'm not envisioning a great new wave of lisp on UNIX. Most people, when they use software, never question foundational abstractions. I can hack lisp, but cannot hack the myriad "dodo languages" UNIX is written in (and retain my sanity). If people are going to be writing code it should be in
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097619 << Thanks, that sentence was wrong. I was attempting to say was "Regular expressions cannot respect a language's syntax short a full parser+printer". This is an extremely important point, addressed by Erik in his perl treatise:
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-04-2015#1097710 << If I take different 3 buckets of paint and mix them into a homogeneous color is the system more or less ordered?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Isn't Texas in a standoff with the Federal gov. atm?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I didn't know the eurola crafting system was so advanced
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: if you've got some spare time on your hands, (Mc)CLIM is neato
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Data visualization will save the seas of failed "college students".... or so they hope.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Graphs are the future yo
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I needed an avatar for an example WoT program and dipped into the xxx folder
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Is the argentine legal system as derpy as the rest of the country?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: :/ I don't immediately see how that is, but OK.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: Nah, justification is available, I just don't want it cluttering the presentation.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: The 20 number isn't a hard limit by any means, and I suppose I should change it because I pulled it out of my arse.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: working on a software development team
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: well, a software development team has different dynamics
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: you can't convince 30 people who don't know lisp to use it.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: After ~20 people you lose the ability for everyone to know everyone else.
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: sorry, 20?
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: just people I've met since moving to Cali
(trilema) gabriel_laddel: I'm clearly valuable, other people take care of me.
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