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(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform lol. no.
(trilema) nubbins`: you believe the two entities to be one
(trilema) nubbins`: which is why we're talking past each other
(trilema) nubbins`: which brings us back to your assertion that bbet=mp and my assertion that bbet!=mp
(trilema) nubbins`: he can bill it to you
(trilema) nubbins`: if kako then drops another 100btc down my chimney
(trilema) nubbins`: it was promised to be paid and it was paid
(trilema) nubbins`: irrelephant
(trilema) nubbins`: no longer interested in explaining it
(trilema) nubbins`: PeterL why, did that happen?
(trilema) nubbins`: this is obivously not a place where reason and logic have any place
(trilema) nubbins`: so, like i said: i give up.
(trilema) nubbins`: but apparently that's off the table
(trilema) nubbins`: what you're to do is stop willfully being illogical
(trilema) nubbins`: "nubsism".
(trilema) nubbins`: lol, fuck you.
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm not gonna argue basic logic. i give up
(trilema) nubbins`: this is not how idempotence works
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform if bbet = mp, why'd you put 'from bbet' in quotes?
(trilema) nubbins`: you can't analogize what happened to what didn't happen
(trilema) nubbins`: but that's not what happened.
(trilema) nubbins`: you claim to see from the perspective of others now?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform i disagree...?
(trilema) nubbins`: reasonable? no?
(trilema) nubbins`: back to my example: you owe me $10, kako pays me $10, and now he claims you owe HIM $10.
(trilema) nubbins`: then, later, bbet-addr.
(trilema) nubbins`: and funds came frOM
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform so now you're saying that bbet=mp?
(trilema) nubbins`: hence why in all the stock warrants it says specifically that the entity will not administer blah blah between third parties
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm not responsible for de-spaghettifying things external to my transactions
(trilema) nubbins`: i say "no it is not"
(trilema) nubbins`: kako gives me 10 btc and says "alf's debt is settled"
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform let's say i'm owed 10 btc by you.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform not impossible, no. the windfall recipients know who owned each parcel of funds
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform please indicate where i contended such
(trilema) nubbins`: this is the crux of why alf's wrong here
(trilema) nubbins`: despite mp's insistence to the contrary.
(trilema) nubbins`: bbet and mp are separate parties
(trilema) nubbins`: SSNs aren't unique
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform the 13.37 haircut is baked into the deal, i don't think any other haircuts are?
(trilema) nubbins`: judges, lol
(trilema) nubbins`: <+solrodar>since the sender never intended to transfer ownership to that person <<< mp didn't intend to transfer ownership of the coins involved in a tx that he sent?
(trilema) nubbins`: my belief in the matter doesn't change the logic tho, hey?
(trilema) nubbins`: whether their name is snackman or mircea_popescu
(trilema) nubbins`: tl;dr adults are responsible for the consequences of their actions
(trilema) nubbins`: solrodar i don't think any such moral obligation exists.
(trilema) nubbins`: iow, penalizing address reuse
(trilema) nubbins`: will be interesting to see what decision is made
(trilema) nubbins`: "GPG signed contracts are no good if they can't be enforced." actually they've fulfilled their purpose precisely as intended here
(trilema) nubbins`: last sentence of quoted text says exactly this
(trilema) nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>punkman: they pay from own pockets? << that's my understanding too
(trilema) nubbins`: !up solrodar
(trilema) nubbins`: also, a thousand lels at the guy who suggested the double-paid bettors just return the funds
(trilema) nubbins`: or have i misread
(trilema) nubbins`: hmm davout are you really going to withhold bet payouts to bettors who were unlucky enough to receive free money from mp's personal funds
(trilema) nubbins`: so i built a "hackintosh" computer, just realized i hadn't bothered to put the video card into the thing
(trilema) nubbins`: banking, where the hours are great even if the pay sucks
(trilema) nubbins`: !up benrav
(trilema) nubbins`: mrottenkolber did you try manually verifying the sig?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform did you receive yr textiles yet?
(trilema) nubbins`: i would've put money on a heart attack, perhaps exacerbated by drug use, not cancer
(trilema) nubbins`: former mayor!
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform this also opens up the option for interesting filters, e.g. no need to display "heart" field if "brain" is 00, etc
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform no, on first chuff it looks sensible; not that much more long-winded than a file permissions block
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform multi-bit vector pgp sounds about as rat-nesty as a tag-based log tracking system
(trilema) nubbins`: went to fight a parking ticket today, the crown had no evidence and the cop who wrote the ticket didn't show up
(trilema) nubbins`: ;;later tell funkenstein_ references to bezzlars removed! ^
(trilema) nubbins`: ;;seen funkenstein
(trilema) nubbins` off to do things that matter
(trilema) nubbins`: this is so cringey
(trilema) nubbins`: the edict is issued: speak not of mircea_popescu to nubbins`
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform i think he's saying that you're not allowed to talk about mp with me
(trilema) nubbins`: but that's the whole point of this place
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform you missed the "do as mp says" rule?!?!
(trilema) nubbins`: how dare you speak to an untouchable!
(trilema) nubbins`: but i do suspect on a ~10% probability that he's satoshi
(trilema) nubbins`: i kid, of course.
(trilema) nubbins`: vexual once signed a ~1k btc address for me, hey?
(trilema) nubbins`: you want what mcafee took too?!
(trilema) nubbins`: no, i don't think you do
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform iirc i offered you some a while back but we decided you wouldn't take it
(trilema) nubbins`: alf is in a weird spot where he obviously feels that mp is hallucinating but doesn't want to press the issue
(trilema) nubbins`: so he missed the memo
(trilema) nubbins`: ^ you didn't put it in a TPS report, in other words
(trilema) nubbins`: mats shouldn't you be telling alf to stfu?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform logic has no place here
(trilema) nubbins`: mp uses the broadest analogies possible, hey?
(trilema) nubbins`: you don't like it, put me on ignore
(trilema) nubbins`: only reason i bothered to chip in was to smother hanbot's hallucinations
(trilema) nubbins`: mats go back and read yesterday's log
(trilema) nubbins`: however, there stands bitbet in the state it's in. you saying that mp threw in the towel because i bullied him into it?
(trilema) nubbins`: the noise is my doing by calling mp a scammer? yes, fair enough.
(trilema) nubbins`: mats in fact i came back here after quite an absence and found the shit still on fire
(trilema) nubbins`: hey, i walked into a conversation already happening
(trilema) nubbins`: or was she just reminding them that bullshit has a specific taste?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform: did mpoe-pr "give a fuck" about the scammers she skewered on the forums?
(trilema) nubbins`: 10 words a minute is excited now |0|
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform don't mistake verbosity for excitement
(trilema) nubbins`: but what else do you expect from someone whose only skills are being a loudmouth and losing money
(trilema) nubbins`: see hanbot's intensely boring, factless, hyperbole-filled rants and jabs for reference
(trilema) nubbins`: but in complete seriousness, yes, uncontroversial and undisputed at mp's house.
(trilema) nubbins`: maybe he means undisputed here: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE
(trilema) nubbins`: are we all drunk here?
(trilema) nubbins`: in the fifth dimension.
(trilema) nubbins`: ask mp, he's the one with all the insider knowledge
(trilema) nubbins` searches memory for rational reasons why alf would think this, comes up blank
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform why would you assume in the first place that all these random comments on bitbet are me instead of the various angry parties to whom bitbet owes money?
(trilema) nubbins`: !s looky from:nubbins`
(trilema) nubbins`: altho i guess it's mostly a show for folks that don't go back and read the logs
(trilema) nubbins`: having to blatantly spout nonsense
(trilema) nubbins`: must be humiliating
(trilema) nubbins`: kakobrekla i could've told you last week that they'd fever-dream their way through this
(trilema) nubbins`: you need to take a course in basic logic
(trilema) nubbins`: so, no, he didn't turn a situation from that into anything.
(trilema) nubbins`: hallucinated by mp
(trilema) nubbins`: that's a fiction
(trilema) nubbins`: there was no situation where the shareholders owed 17 btc
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform in general or on said topics?
(trilema) nubbins`: i give precisely, literally, zero fucks about anything to do with bitbet, mp, etc
(trilema) nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>https://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#c5867 << there is what, dozen of these, and i dun think they're all nubbins`.. << why does everyone labour under the impression that i think about any of this shit while i'm not here?
(trilema) nubbins`: dat cog diss
(trilema) nubbins` lols at hanbot
(trilema) nubbins`: <+solrodar>but before it gets written into a contract I want to question why we're presuming that bills are more senior than bettor funds << i want to question why you used "we"
(trilema) nubbins`: one may end up as a CUPS server
(trilema) nubbins`: one's a NAS
(trilema) nubbins`: i have three SATA pogos and two non-SATA
(trilema) nubbins`: davout fun
(trilema) nubbins`: i think this is called "an hero by cop"
(trilema) nubbins`: maybe he an hero'd by pretending to reach for a weapon
(trilema) nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>nubbins`: actually ok to tx back to originating addr << 10-4
(trilema) nubbins`: funkenstein_ merciless mercantile morals!
(trilema) nubbins`: i was a bit :0 when i did the math
(trilema) nubbins`: in terms of retail value, we handed out $10k worth of books to contributing artists
(trilema) nubbins`: "this is too much, i'm not joking"
(trilema) nubbins`: most of the contributors attempted to refuse some of their payment
(trilema) nubbins`: i'd considered sending you a mystery prize but figured that'd be a bit too fast & loose
(trilema) nubbins`: also, shipping dept managed to get crate delivered for half of what i quoted you, so plz PM signed refund address at your convenience
(trilema) nubbins`: <+asciilifeform>was this dear old nubs? << nope, i have more pressing concerns than anonymously trolling bitbet comments
(trilema) nubbins`: jurov it would make things easier
(trilema) nubbins` guesses nobody except for that one turbo-unqualified nobody
(trilema) nubbins`: anyone else apply for s.bbet receivership job?
(trilema) nubbins`: davout you have a 21.co?
(trilema) nubbins`: did goat elbow a button when he pushed pirate-backed assets?
(trilema) nubbins`: did karpeles elbow a button when he deployed test code to gox production servers?
(trilema) nubbins`: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=elbow*+button+from%3Aasciilifeform << fwiw i think this is an inappropriate analogy to what happened, and unfairly minimizes the amount of agency involved.
(trilema) nubbins`: bbl breakfast
(trilema) nubbins`: i think he got mad because a bunch of poor renters who don't own computers weren't able to find the time to get on irc, find #b-a, take a photograph of themselves holding a sign, set up a btc wallet, &c &c &c &c &c
(trilema) nubbins`: yes, each one has a voucher for 0.1 btc, at mp's direction. he later rescinded the offer
(trilema) nubbins`: TECSHARE on the forums bought something like 10 of them too, and he fucking hates me, so he might sell you one
(trilema) nubbins`: cazalla the20yearircloud has about 40 of them in his closet, ask him for one
(trilema) nubbins`: cazalla same text, updated design. yin/yang sort of duality
(trilema) nubbins`: i rarely dabble in retail sales, but when i do, it's generally worth it
(trilema) nubbins`: sold 8 so far, which should pay for the entire run of 100 plus a couple of prime rib roasts
(trilema) nubbins`: cazalla FWIW i'm selling another run of posters right now, and i bumped up the price by about 50%
(trilema) nubbins` idly wonders if hanbot saved or spent all her mpoe-pr wages
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433228 <<< the problem with your take on what's reasonable is that mp doesn't like it. full stop.
(trilema) nubbins`: 100% profit, no expenses!
(trilema) nubbins`: nubs selling btc posters on the forums is a profitable, legit btc business by this definition.
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433193 << FWIW if we're not counting server expenses or admin time, i could probably list a thousand profitable, legit bitcoin businesses.
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432455 <<< i spoke for the people who didn't like financial impropriety to take place here, and indeed, i was the only one with a tongue.
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432318 <<< PeterL it is 100% improper for the 0.00001 btc per share to come out of the auction/sale. the listing agreement specifically says that mp and kako are personally responsible for that disbursement.
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432304 <<< i disagree, given that bitbet is now in receivership
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432303 << agreed. however, mp was going to be content to simply just /let things continue from this point/, and that was scammy, and that's why i called him out.
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432302 << agreed, he was stupid and his conclusions were not criminal, just completely removed from reality
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432301 << i also didn't think it was a worthwhile conversation to have, but i wasn't about to just watch mp make the ludicrous claim that bitcoin has been forked by a chinese mining cabal, ostensibly with the intention of tranferring all the suckers in this chan over to MPCoin, just because his 0-fee tx got bogged down.
(trilema) nubbins`: phf: "solicited a judge from the wot" is meaningless, unless you know something i don't.
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432299 << i made my accusations formal and they were ignored
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432451 << i guess it was meant to live until mp got tired of it, since apparently all of bitbet's money was rattling around in mp's coin purse
(trilema) nubbins`: on its own, separate from these three things, great website, great idea. prolly would be thriving.
(trilema) nubbins`: the three major problems that beset bitbet were (a) mp was involved with it, (b) it had zero room for contingencies or unexpected expenses and (c) train-wreck PR
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-03-2016#1433151 << maybe they were afraid their deposit wouldn't confirm until after betting closed ;p
(trilema) nubbins` checks his own pulse, attempts to catch up on logs
(trilema) nubbins`: <+hanbot>http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432955 << not to get ahead of myself with you guys <<< there's two firsts, hanbot couching words and hanbot being rational
(trilema) nubbins`: what, you can't fuck around with novel ways of doing things because s.bbet imploded?
(trilema) nubbins`: <+phf>nubbins`: it's a shame that you chose this approach for your denouncement. some people are here (myself, maybe ascii) not to make money, but to fuck around with novel ways of doing things <<< nothing about what i did prevents this from continuing.
(trilema) nubbins`: You weren't caught in some occult and unknowable coincidence that was out of your hands [when you chose to send a 0-fee tx and you got bitten as a result]. You either didn't make sure you understood the basics of using bitcoin, or else you decided not to care.
(trilema) nubbins`: i'll leave you with one more nugget of applicable advice from hanbot
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway! bbl
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform but the set of possible reasons is finite and bounded
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform see the ocean ranger disaster for another NFI situation
(trilema) nubbins`: "what if you had to pick between being electrocuted by your penis and having mr. peanut officiate your wedding?"
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm not interested in discussing what my conclusion would have been if something that didn't happen happened.
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform what would have been your conclusion if he had paid out bettors 1000 times from 1000 different inputs?
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform what would have been your conclusion if wednesday was the colour magenta? what, are we discussing hypotheticals now?
(trilema) nubbins`: take your pick
(trilema) nubbins`: "i shouldn't have to pay fee because i'm me"
(trilema) nubbins`: a desire to see the world bend instead of him, etc
(trilema) nubbins`: thestringpuller idiocy / cheapness
(trilema) nubbins`: sadly, even though mp worked with mptronics, he failed to heed this advice
(trilema) nubbins`: "Failing to use tx fees is mooching. Using a (notoriously inept) "service" that fails to use tx fees is also mooching."
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform agreed
(trilema) nubbins`: asciilifeform hanbot had some pretty sage advice a few years back that was severely overlooked by all parties
(trilema) nubbins`: sadly, none exists
(trilema) nubbins`: no, although mp's demonstrated a karpeles-esque mastery of the protocol lately
(trilema) nubbins`: in the sense that a lemonade stand is not a food service business, regardless of the nickels rolling around the lemons
(trilema) nubbins`: ;;calc 2000*[ticker --last]
(trilema) nubbins`: smth like 2000 btc worth?
(trilema) nubbins`: massive sells today
(trilema) nubbins`: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE looks like the market's reacting pretty strongly to mp's rashness
(trilema) nubbins`: hard to say what happened
(trilema) nubbins`: no worries
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm clean-shaven these days
(trilema) nubbins`: pool party
(trilema) nubbins`: !v assbot:nubbins`.rate.kakobrekla.5:3dd5c75e6eb580d676a8bec10313e0623b3ffc472704cfc7f67d01d4cb8244a9
(trilema) nubbins`: not re:marxism-leninism of course
(trilema) nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432087 << danielpbarron the bible says something similar to this, no?
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