asciilifeform: aha! good. do you recall the tooling ?
asciilifeform: and if this doesn't look like 'cryptocurrency', don't complain, it is THE logical 'car for the k00l d00dz and not the 15m maggots'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it works by ben_vulpes, sultan of brunei, and king of saud, sending each other pgpgrams with signed chits of how many tonnes of plutonium each owes the other.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 16:44:07; ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
ben_vulpes: hawala, then?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform i'm suffering from a failure of imagination--care to link me to the thread where you explain how a cc would work without miners?
BingoBoingo: In this version, it is only enforced for peers that send protocol versions >=70011 . For the next major version it is planned that this restriction will be removed. It is recommended to update SPV clients to check for the NODE_BLOOM service bit for nodes that report versions newer than 70011." end powerspam
BingoBoingo: BIP 111 defines a service bit to allow peers to advertise that they support bloom filters (such as used by SPV clients) explicitly. It also bumps the protocol version to allow peers to identify old nodes which allow bloom filtering of the connection despite lacking the new service bit.
BingoBoingo: lol, they are also bumping protocol version bit: "Support for the NODE_BLOOM service bit, as described in BIP 111, has been added to the P2P protocol code.
BingoBoingo amazed that with his new lifestyle he can get a can of decent coffee that last a week and has the same cost as a cheap 5th of vodka
shinohai: I bought a bottle of muscadine wine to pop open the minute mine finally syncs
mod6: instead, just pulled the source and built inside the rotor so it would be built with the gcc/musl that comes with buildroot
mircea_popescu: here she is asciilifeform : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/myrathe
jurov: would be hilarious if they reused my hack
assbot: In an almost totally un-talked about change to the protocol bitcoin now has the innovative feature of just totally throwing away transactions. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZEZBnO )
BingoBoingo: Same reason porcupine is decidedly NOT king of the forest
mircea_popescu: you know there;'s a bloodletting coming by the time the fucking footpad imagines himself the baron outright.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease. << oh, lafond himself gets the thing pretty close. it is a class thing. the problem is the speaker, who, like a bunch of his brethren, ended up in this weirdo alt-reality where THEY are the upper class.
mod6: just needed to build gdb inside of the rotor, that i think was my problemo.
jurov: should i know them?
jurov: no idea about either derp
BingoBoingo: shinohai: No, they 'welcomed' classic which is being classtroturfed into support
shinohai: They seem to be going Classic no?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 17:43:00; mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374493 << In Lafondtology 'betters' are a known quantity as well. They attack down so avoid or appease.
mircea_popescu: for the record fooplot.com actually spits out svg's! pretty cool.
ascii_rear: the company, however, i'd pass on
trinque: just gotta get the services rewritten
trinque: I've also rewritten the IRC bot portion, and the new thing knows how to reclaim nick, and generally speaking doesn't suck.
trinque: mircea_popescu: thanks. his escape from AWS is in the works.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
mircea_popescu: ascii_rear isn't that straight out of the tinfoilhat annals ?
ascii_rear: but on the whole, mega-snorecon
ascii_rear: sooo the talk re: power grid in usa using unciphered rf for control was mildly amusing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "cross the imaginary, retrospectively hallucinated '''line'''" bs is worth about as much as the piss it carries.
mircea_popescu: but once you start with "Democratic" and bla bla - guess what. your crazy old uncle is first to be burned at the stake. because you are the servant, and that's how it goes.
mircea_popescu: o protect MY old uncle and cuff the fucking street scum. that's how you may also, and to a lesser degree, take care of yours. that and that only.
mircea_popescu: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3657 << this is a nice and fine article, except at the part where the dude pretends like his betters - that is to say, rich people, white people, powerful people, me - are "an unknown quantity" and somehow an old policeman / janitor's relative is different. fuck that. you MAY have your little niceties, for jsut as long as you clearly understand that your role here is strictly t
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, in their case it's empty blathering. the words they say are the result of what they think would work best as a thing to say, not anything deeper than that. they'd say they believe in cinderella fucking papa bear while riding on a golden broomstick if that's what the focus groups preferred ot hear.
mircea_popescu: prunes until their gullet's deeply satisfied.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 11:08:22; thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374299 << there's nothing wrong with that, let them have it, and enjoy its fruits. there's a reason the correct stance is to cater to the comfort of the priviledged and [not incidentally, but deliberatelty and by design] step on the faces of the worthless. but nobody's reequired to accept this as some sort of gospel - let them walk the desert of eating rocks and shitting
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:15:57; BingoBoingo: A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374262 <<< the link to "we just read some words mp said" being lost to "everyone", of course.
mircea_popescu: did this guy ever do anything other than drive around looking for overturned garbage bins to sit in front of and selfie himself while explaining his theories about how moonrays cause littering and how the owls are to blame for moonrays ?
mircea_popescu: The price did drop a little, but almost certainly because of Mike's pessimistic statements, not because of that "attack". So the first line of defense failed: it looks like the miners will not be "punished" financially for lifting the size limit -- quite the opposite."
mircea_popescu: "Well BitcoinClassic -- that, according to the Core devs, is a hostile fork -- already has the support of 70% of the miners.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1374174 << the part where they're all siliconed.
DerpUnion: are there any plans on attking any xchgs/processors who switch to classic
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon oh, ~here~ you see the danger do you ? :D
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller true incompetence has a major advantage - it disperses.
jurov: for me the mining problem stems from clinging to precious few cryptohash functions, which are all amateur (not proven) anyway
mircea_popescu: we also only hold hammers, and maybe the hits can be modulated enough! shall we try or shall we not.
jurov: von neumann or not, we're still bound to turing-like machines that need to be fed algorithms. and maybe the algorithms can be mutated enough.
mircea_popescu: why waste the asking.
jurov: well, at least i can name the problem to ask perelman "want to generate infinite count asymetric functions, and they will each have distinct algorithm"
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient romanian rhyme, "caligula imperator si-a facut calul senator. petru groza, mai sinistru, si-a facut boul ministru". i can't help but think of it when would-be pygmalions are not content to merely cut themselves a fucktoy/mate out of stone
mircea_popescu: haha wait, wait, there's a "class of functions" in the sky that'll come and deliver you ?
jurov: yes, depends on mathematic discovery of class of functions that fulfills criteria, obv can't just decide workfunction willy nilly
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know it's a common wonderment on the part of the okcupid sluts, too, "why would one such of you need for okcupid". what need.
jurov: if what were the case?
mircea_popescu: jurov think about it : IF that were the case, then alf's fears about "whoever owns the production owns you" would be grounded.
mircea_popescu: eh it's all there, no invention needed.
ascii_shmoocon: i can think of exactly one: an 'mp-hawala', where mo transacts with the other 17 or so olympians, indeed requires no minerz...
mircea_popescu: you drastically overvalue the liberty and importance of miners.
ascii_shmoocon: aaaand mining does not forgive 2nd-best 'z80 is enough for soviet motherland'-ism.
thestringpuller: none at all, but does serve as proof of the existence of said matter.
thestringpuller: instead of USG this time, it's d00ds who weren't good enough to be in the triads.
thestringpuller: ascii_shmoocon: i think the problem stretches to issue with building F-15 on own. re: thread on USG cartel of fabrication.
mircea_popescu: it makes no sense to sell anything useful to the horde of reddidiots.
thestringpuller: only those in the cartel are "somewhat profitable".
thestringpuller: and the cartel is run as a shady Triad-wannabe type of operation. Insane markups on retail, shitty products, extremely late delivery.
thestringpuller: a lot of the problem seems to be due to blatant cartelization
mircea_popescu: yes it would have been. whatever the fuck happens, problems are permanent part of phenomenology.
ascii_shmoocon: their existence is a bug.
mircea_popescu: so's everyone in the "we wanna capture bitcoin" camp.,
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon> say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges??? << "we da people"
ascii_shmoocon: in other nyoooz, somebody is already... snoring
ascii_shmoocon: the other thing is that alt with novel pov is a giftwrapped offering to the fella with the largest stash of ready fpga fabric. which is...
thestringpuller: i thought ideally it would only fork the miners off the network. thus in ideal world "nothing really changes"
thestringpuller: nuclear war always has fallout. the flexing of muscles is sometimes enough to get enemy to see reason.
ascii_shmoocon: say mp or other decides to nuke. makes own alt? opens fiat exchanges???
thestringpuller: "An interesting non-technical objection is that because nodes and miners who haven’t adopted the soft fork end up in the main chain anyway, this is a case of a majority undemocratically forcing a minority to adopt new policies. Of course, it’s your choice to use a protocol with this feature! Satoshi could have just as easily written Bitcoin to treat unknown block versions as invalid, but choose not too." << Uh huh.
ascii_shmoocon: thestringpull: not spoof - crash
ascii_shmoocon: and just now there was 'state malware' talk given by a... political 'scientist'
ascii_shmoocon: lol i think every third bloke in the chairs is nsa emissary
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon you know the b,tmsr~ emissary makes a report that sounds a lot like the nsa emissary's.
thestringpuller: did you got the big data hacking panel?
thestringpuller: or at least the initial investment
mircea_popescu: schmucks better ponder it well before they go running their mouth about "supporting" this or that.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TSMC | ... Serbian · Spanish · Swedish · Thai · Turkish · Ukrainian · Vietnamese · Help translate! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. There aren't any definitions for TSMC yet. Can you define it?
adlai: fwiw bramc (of bittorrent fame) is working on space-hard PoW which he hasn't yet decided whether to nameclash with PoC (concept vs capacity) or PoS (shit vs space)
punkman: memory-hard or not, if you change the PoW you obsolete existing hardware. Problem is TSMC will still have more hardware than you, whatever you decide to use next.
mircea_popescu: technically. there isn't really a good solution to the problem in my estimation either.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 07:19:37; BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
thestringpuller: Bitcoin Classic doesn't even beat around the bush about it being socialist: "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort."
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:18:12; pete_dushenski: there are fighters and there are lovers. jurov's the latter.
BingoBoingo: What brings you around to these parts?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron do either you or shinohai care to invite DiscusFish's macbook-air to channel?
BingoBoingo: "We do not believe the concept of fee market"
ben_vulpes: exwm and the reference implementation are ~90% of my current compute goals
BingoBoingo: A lol re:Classicstroturfing https://twitter.com/AaronvanW/status/688510968050102272 "Email from F2Pool (24% of hash power): "We did not say we 'support' Bitcoin Classic. We used the word 'welcome' to be exact." (More to come)"
BingoBoingo: These things happen
ben_vulpes: srsly not the kahlua
ben_vulpes: sorry, the relentless carblogger threads have me twisted
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the fiat involvement is not clear
ben_vulpes: sorry, $client left many bottles of homemade kahlua at the office
BingoBoingo: Oh deedbot down: http://qntra.net/2016/01/fiat-feeling-pain-below-the-corn-belt/
phf: but you're not supposed to touch those files directly, oh no, they are undocumented and what are you some kind of terrorist. instead there's 20 incompatible power/suspend/battery/sensor/fans/specialkeys control daemons in various states of disarray. "oh, if your fans don't kick in you want termald, or try batterd, which works with new lzmi acpi functions."
phf: like for example controls over the ability to not overheat like crazy and drain battery in half hour.
phf: so running linux on macbook pro is all kinds of fun. there's about 50 files exposed in /sys and /proc that control intimate details of the laptop's operation.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 03:36:34; asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week
pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/TeE8qfz http://i.imgur.com/7hMsbW1.jpg << because in the race to the bottom, it's zero one infinity. next you'll have down syndromers flying transatlantic routes.
assbot: Fowl therapy: Airline lets passenger bring turkey on flight as ‘emotional support animal’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVG4um )
pete_dushenski: in related travell nyooz, http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/news/fowl-therapy-airline-lets-passenger-bring-turkey-on-flight-as-emotional-support-animal&pubdate=2016-01-16
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:36:50; asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373964 << there were dozens of ~electric~ carmakers at the turn of the 20th century, nevermind the hundreds of gas-powered ones.
thestringpuller: jstolfi's response to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-01-2016#1373746 << https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41agss/calling_on_the_core_devs_to_change_their_pow/
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:20:37; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373877 << these were entirely unrelated parts of the zil factory afaik. only reason "zil" was chosen was that b wanted to shine a positive light on the company, like bahamas does with cadillac. not like it matters whether 'beast' shares parts with gmc trucks. hell it probably wouldn't break down in the middle of diplomatic missions if it were a custom job !
pete_dushenski: even then, it'll work to a perfectly adequate extent. i'm not sure anyone will be worse off for brunei's adherence to last century's mores.
pete_dushenski: which would've worked fine in any of the last 20 centuries, unfortunately just not this one
ben_vulpes: buy cars and not computers. have no representation in the wot.
ben_vulpes: adherence to the modernist forms notwithstanding.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: they /are/ barbarians.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373871 << except the sultan of brunei (as everyone knows?) has a thing for cars, not computers, and so has had dozens if not hundreds of custom-built automobiles, many of which he never drove and later left to rot in the sun, but that's his prerogative. but no, it didn't all go to glitzy whores.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:18:02; asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373868 << cars were better pre-cpu for a reason you've already pointed out in the (lost) logs, viz. constant firmware crashes and general electrical gremlins living in cars of the last two decades. no cpu in the car anymore ? good riddance. maybe then i'd actually buy a newer model.
ben_vulpes: once i was a child, i extended them as much rope as i thought they'd need to hang themselves
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: RE: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-11-2015#1325573 << Employer matches 401k up to ~6% of annual income pre-tax. The 401k program allows you to tke a 401k loan and pay yourself back. Best case scenario you pay the fiat back over X period (as long as you don't leave the job), or somehow there is some huge collapse and you just never pay it back.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:17:49; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota.
ben_vulpes: how quickly do the rest of you feel like burning your identities?
ben_vulpes: so that's one of the four new faces
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:15:31; asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373858 << high-end coach then. no difference. and neither ferrari building nor coach building requires or required "the skills" of "the people". such nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:14:04; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373850 << ha. the only disingenuous comparison is between your experience with cars and roads and what's actually required for '15k' world. so 15k people drive international cxt's across the broken remnants of the americas. what of it ? YOU DON'T NEED INTERSTATES. wanna travel farther ? fly. or move.
BingoBoingo: Speaking of Ferrari from the mines: "For once, Christian Bale exits a body-changing role because itd be too hard on his health/body http://bit.ly/1J7BKWA "
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373841 << indeed. and we're imagining a world where cars ~at present~ function as airplanes ~once did~, merely to demonstrate the existence and advantages of specific types of economic organisation.
pete_dushenski: these were evidently a first-class mode of transport, substantially more expensive to own and operate than a car, and not, to my eye, made of cardboard (though planes a decade earlier were, by and large)
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 02:11:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373837 << i guess i'm thinking more into the 30s then, and along the lines of the Sikorsky S-42, eg. http://cruiselinehistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/PanAm_S40B_Sikorsky.jpeg
mod6: asciilifeform: hey, for a long time now I've been searching for the fix you provided to vdiff for debian/ubuntu; for some reason it barfs saying that there is an unmatched quote or something.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373825 << aha. so do i. one of the few pieces of useful relic software i have kicking about.
pete_dushenski: perhaps i read too much into that question, but the idea that one would need to specifically name future miners and their means and methods seemed (and seems) a bit silly to me. they, whoever they are, will find a way, because how not ?
assbot: Logged on 13-05-2015 22:13:18; asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and what other player will catch up with this, do you suppose, and how ?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:42:12; mircea_popescu: so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373766 << unreliable and then tbtf. no fucking components supplier should be that goddam big
pete_dushenski: this peanut butter chocolate cheesecake is a bit disappointing. icing is too sweet and it's not "cheezy" enough. more like an ultra-rich, ultra-dense, slightly creamier cake than you'd otherwise expect. the most impressive thing about this cake was the sheer mass. the box must've been 20 lbs for a 10"er.
mircea_popescu: jixei well no, that's the narrower road.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !! << any ideas on a correct implementation?
jixei: I thought being prepared at any moment to stand up for what you believe in was the higher road. But the impasses have been many.
mircea_popescu: lurking's always the higher road.
BingoBoingo: Hello jixei what bring you around these parts?
thestringpuller: either that or he took it down as part of ragequit
thestringpuller: Isn't BitcoinJ the thing that lame android client used? That thing was buggy as hell and like 15 different distros of android caused the wallet to leak keys.
assbot: The Mike Hearn Show: Season Finale (and Bitcoin Classic: Series Premiere) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVuq2t )
BingoBoingo: From mines: https://archive.is/CkspO "On the one hand he has done some good work with BitcoinJ, Lighthouse etc. Certainly his choice of bloom filter has had a net negative effect on the privacy of SPV users"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373684 << iirc putin is giving out phreeeee land there (encumbered with must-build-house and no-sale-for-xx-years conditions, but still)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:41; jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.
asciilifeform: if i can't read it in (max) half hour and say WHAT EACH MOTHERFUCKING LINE DOES it is not a correct implementation !!
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:31:04; mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.
asciilifeform: from the cartoon mircea_popescu linked earlier this week
asciilifeform: so with this dawning on me, i can't defend the rest of the piece, it sorta blows in pieces in the wind.
mircea_popescu: but see... he has the capital of knowing how to... uhhh... oh i know, misrepresent his vices as virtues!
mircea_popescu: get the fuck outta here.
mircea_popescu: "knowing how to" fill the fucking paperwork and ask for permission.
asciilifeform: gonna tell me that a sawmill is the same as knowing-how-to-remove-appendix ?
mircea_popescu: "is the choice between being a priss or getting laid, or is the choice between what ~kind~ of getting laid ? maybe i'm getting laid with jesus!"
mircea_popescu: there is NO KINDS OF CAPITAL!!1
mircea_popescu: or, perhaps more accurately, what feeds the swam in which you wallow.
asciilifeform: but is the choice between 'accumulate capital' and 'smoke dope' ? or is it about ~what kind~ of capital
mircea_popescu: the pretense to the contrary is what fucking created, and what fucking maintains, the miserable situation under which you belabour.
mircea_popescu: whether you personally will or will not be able to defend your capital has no bearing on whether you OUGHT to accumulate capital.
mircea_popescu: he is saying what orlov is saying, and what yarvin is saying, and what generally the castrated son of a stupid anglo whore is always fucking saying
asciilifeform: then i must be thick.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:51; mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373346 << if you have a box with gcc5, just format the hdd and start over, sanely
mircea_popescu: so wait, i shouldn't fucking own things because "they canb bestolen" and instead be a good slave and own my two arms ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the part where he's saying exactly " The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it." except he sounds like he means it.
raedah: hello. here i am known as raedah. ive been a dev for joinmarket for the past few months. i like sexual relations with women, resisting invalid authority, educating ignorance, and being in nature.
BingoBoingo: Hence the irony
asciilifeform: but aside from this, it was ok, fella determined, through laborious trial & error, a recipe for a very reasonable ~thermate~ which cremated usb stick to ashes with 7g of powder.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:07:47; mircea_popescu: no thermite present ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373279 << incidentally THERE WAS NO THERMITE!!111 at the motherfucking talk. suit was 'symbolic!11'. i shit thee not.
raedah: met someone yesterday who's family migrated from the Montana mountains back in the day because the neighboring families had a habbit of solving disputes by killing eachothers children.
assbot: History of manufactured gas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1SVqFdg )
asciilifeform: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_manufactured_gas#/media/File:Drawing_the_retorts_at_the_Great_Gas_Establishment_Brick_Lane.png << spiffy pic
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing. << no because jurov knows shit about the noncivilised world having taken wives out of their ranks and such.
asciilifeform: (prolly will have to hit the library at some point...)
asciilifeform: i'd like to find out how they handled digging, rights-of-way, and whether they shared what today folks call 'last mile'
mircea_popescu: "Likewise, there were only two gasworks in London in 1814, and by 1822, there were seven and by 1829, there were 200 companies."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one for a year, then fifty ?
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:39:08; mircea_popescu: . now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373771 << how many gas companies were there in 1820 london ?
BingoBoingo: I don't have the patience for those savings
asciilifeform: if you have the patience.
asciilifeform: it has the holes.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:35:25; BingoBoingo: Also the blue pogoplug is the worthless one for our cause, right?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373759 << aaaaactually you can solder the sata plug on !
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Luke suggested it to the ClassicCoin forkers
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:14:21; pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373716 << actually, living in a perplexing (to non-orcs) symbiotic vendetta balance with enemies is the common thing.
asciilifeform: for all the good it does.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:39; mircea_popescu: heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373792 << helped that plastic (esp. of the fine-detailed injection mold variety) was not yet a thing
asciilifeform: he drives. even to coffee across the street.
asciilifeform: incidentally, one interesting fact perhaps unknown outside of usaschwitz is that one assumption baked into these 'shoes' is that owner DOES NOT WALK
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was referencing that "i can throw them out for you" thing
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-01-2016#1373790 << phun phakt: i bought a new (fiddybuck) pair of shoes a week before blasting off to conf3 in b-a. these shoes began to show visible 'asking for porridge' the week i came back. mostly in tatters now.
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 01:45:44; mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason.
mircea_popescu: worked pretty much universally from the mid 1800s on
mircea_popescu: the way most of the early industry was rolled up, was that the "chosen" schelling point got tax breaks.
asciilifeform: tax was scarcely a thing at the time/place ?
asciilifeform: no, no, the cars
mircea_popescu: and the important part here is exactly that.
asciilifeform: there were not even 12 makers of rich folk cars in 1890.
mircea_popescu: you missed the number 12. go re-read that dicussion.
asciilifeform: just because smbx was an american firm and thereby satanic ?