mp_en_viaje: spyked, you got the format backwards, linked "curl" with an anchor of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-125.0-132.0
jurov: so it would suck in emacs either
jurov: I disrecommend. Messed with cl-async (via vim interface) and it's hell to debug. It also takes over debug and trace outputs and redirects then nooneknowswhere.
spyked: re ffi, in that older research I've tried to avoid fast-running code in favour of fits-in-head, but I'll make sure to double-check in this iteration. the only www-related cffi dependency I recall was in cl+ssl, which I will remove on sight before genesis
spyked: phf: I might have misread http://archive.is/iUlSp#selection-2259.0-2270.0 ; anyway, I've only used cl-http-server seriously so far and would highly appreciate input from phf and ben_vulpes on cl wwwtronics
phf: spyked: wookie is not a hunchentoot fork, it's its own thing built around an async ffi. one thing you might want to add to your list is how much ffi-ing is required, or rather how "c heavy" the code is. for example teepeedee2 is extremely fast, but doesn't work anywhere but sbcl and linux, because it uses all kinds of libc features.
phf: it doesn't have any kind of "architecture", so more than once i've had to hack somewhere deep inside request parsing code in order to support something or other
phf: spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-147.0-153.252 << i've used araneida for early btcbase, i've dropped it in transition from cmucl, but i'd say that it's the least encumbered of the bunch. i don't remember it having any "administration interfaces". it's written in the late 90s hacky style, and it's missing functionality (for example i wrote entire form parsing logic when i was trying to add patch
spyked bbl himself, back to rowing in the slave galley
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 15:23 asciilifeform: none of these currently on front burner, but will be 9000x easier to revive if meanwhile lobbes et al produce an edible cl 'wwwism kit'
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910762 <-- so far wwwism kit seems to include: a. http server, b. [curl][http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html#selection-125.0-132.0], c. html gen. (a) is the next item on my list, with (c) and (b) coming next, and... is there a (d)?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910755 <-- I dun much like hunchentoot, on account of http://thetarpit.org/posts/y03/05c-development-log-i.html#selection-187.0-192.0 ; but I'm open to using it if the alternatives turn out to be insufficient
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 12:04 mircea_popescu: someone was even going to implement it, which is the last i heard of it.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910659 <-- come to think of it, there's no reason to limit pastebin to images. could do text files as well and extend to other formats as needed
spyked: meanwhile, /me is back to his regular schedule and will spend the week processing photos, writing and planning
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910647 <-- sorry, saw this way late in that evening. schedule was way packed with walking, birdsong listening and others that wait to be documented on teh blogs
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911317 << it's altogether dubious it'll ever make you any money ; but if the goal is to smoke without having to deal with other people then prolly worth it.
mp_en_viaje: so i suppose the right thing to do, if ever swallowed by some mastoton or w/e, is drop one's pants and fuck the damned thing's gullet.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-06#1911324 -> yes, it's a brick of a book but in fact not really dense or anything; everytime I haul it out of the shelf and onto the table I inevitably wonder why exactly is it so heavy really.
BingoBoingo: Still the book grew too much. Whatever useful things are added get burried in shit
asciilifeform: the remainder, quite valuable (e.g. preconditions, which tightened, rather than loosened, semantics )
a111: Logged on 2019-02-05 21:05 diana_coman: speaking of Barnes' Ada book: it IS very useful and I certainly do go back to it quite often still for all sorts but it still has at times such ideas that I can't stand; e.g. "The reader will probably feel that the activation mechanism is somewhat elaborate. However, in practice, the details will rarely need to be considered. They are mentioned in order to show that the mechanism is well defined rather than because of their everyday import
BingoBoingo: Liven the cat's life up a bit
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i thought the mega-virtue of oklahomistan is where it is largely empty
asciilifeform dug up at one pt the 'plaintext' details, but usa is 1 of those batshit anglo 'case law' jurisdictions, and asciilifeform dun have the time/inclination to saw through the various paywalls to try an' interpret the necessary 100MB+ of crapola
BingoBoingo: How are the local orcs in Ok?
asciilifeform: i've been inside the 'scientology' church in dc, it is luxurious (and utterly batshit) item . so surely cannot be much of obstacle, this.
asciilifeform: do they send surprise inspectors to 'see if yer churchy enuff' ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: hm. elaborate for the l0gz ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: how's the hair shirt life treatin' ya ?
asciilifeform: ( iirc was why the idjit victorians ended up phasing out public hanging -- 'too sexy' )
mp_en_viaje: amusingly enough, there's a sexual paroxism pathway driven by anoxia in mammals (kinda traditionally common male style, actually). so it's quite conceivable ingurgitated prey might ejaculate.
mp_en_viaje: https://8ch.net/vore/res/29903.html#31101 << there is a dedicated lolcow board, but the lolcows are to be found on the... vore board ?
asciilifeform: iirc the chinese had some sorta hack for this also.
asciilifeform: gotta be. i dun have the freud-fu to say exactly how tho.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in the other empire, https://media.8ch.net/file_store/366d06ffeef85666c91dc1f6638408fad3da8317bc4fe99454c7e453074a74e6.jpg
asciilifeform: let's illustrate. 'umi yukaba', jp naval anthem, '37 and on. 'if i go to sea / i shall be a washed up corpse. / if i go to the mountains / a corpse i shall be in the grass / but as i die for the emperor / i will have no regret ' roughly.
mp_en_viaje: as the old adage goes, the problem with suicides is that the ones that manage are the only ones you actually want to have failed.
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2013/margaritas-ante-porcos-as-it-were/#selection-429.31-429.108 << afaik the best statement of the situation.
asciilifeform: well no, that's the funny bit, the angle of 'hey cannon fodder, wanna die honourably for emperor?' angle was muchly in place already then.
mp_en_viaje: but in 41, nobody wanted them to, because will need these to live an' help administer manchuko or w/e.
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- the orig. kamikazes were not 'just anyone', but recruits with top marks and gold reccs. at one time dozen or so takers to erry spot. )
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 02:35 asciilifeform: that human beings don’t only want comfort, safety, short working-hours, hygiene, birth-control and, in general, common sense; they also, at least intermittently, want struggle and self-sacrifice, not to mention drums, flag and loyalty-parades ... Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them “I offer you struggle, danger and death,” and as a
a111: Logged on 2019-05-05 20:29 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it wouldn't be plain guesstimates. ask each member of the group, "how many sexual encounters did you participate in last year" say, discover the doods had about 3x as much sex as the gals. somehow. nohomo.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of opportunities to obsess over animals fucking with them
BingoBoingo: Well, they went from a continent with monkeys to a continent with asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: But yes, black academica after the NAACP's founding is a fountain of lulz
mp_en_viaje: by which bullshit we're supposed to not notice that "the signifying monkey is approximately kermit for retards -- something some dude 'came up with' for ~tv in the 50s on the basis of what he remembered of the little he understood from what that german professor visiting his community college said.
mp_en_viaje: "The signifying monkey is a character of African-American folklore that derives from the trickster figure of Yoruba mythology, Esu Elegbara."
mp_en_viaje: the african mythological practice of washing when ? wewazkangz o'clock perhaps ?
mp_en_viaje: "According to Gates, the practice derived from the Trickster archetype found in much African mythology, folklore, and religion: a god, goddess, spirit, man, woman, or anthropomorphic animal who plays tricks or otherwise disobeys normal rules and societal norms."
mp_en_viaje: onveys, or is intended to convey." Gates takes this idea of signifying and "doubles" it in order to explain signifyin(g). He states of Black Vernacular, "their complex act of language Signifies upon both formal language use and its conventions, conventions established, at least officially, by middle-class white people."[5] "
mp_en_viaje: "Rudy Ray Moore, known as "Dolemite", is well known for having used the term in his comedic performances. While Signifyin(g) is the term coined by Henry Louis Gates, Jr. to represent a black vernacular, the idea stems from the thoughts of Ferdinand De Saussure and the process of signifying"the association between words and the ideas they indicate."[4] Gates states, "'Signification,' in Standard English, denotes the meaning that a term c
mp_en_viaje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signifyin' << speaking of these retards... check 'em out BingoBoingo , niggas be trippin on dat jenkem.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it wouldn't be plain guesstimates. ask each member of the group, "how many sexual encounters did you participate in last year" say, discover the doods had about 3x as much sex as the gals. somehow. nohomo.
mp_en_viaje: all knowing (as the cultural process) is in the end a trapdoor function of some kind and no more.
mp_en_viaje: well yes, but one of the very few if not the only available means to scientify about knowledge is to aggregate estimates and compare systematic errors.
mp_en_viaje: just consider the lulz of all time : in any sample sufficiently large, males will implicitly overestimate the total amount of copulation going on by about a half-magnitude factor. the sheer naive simplicity that's required of one to thusly behave...
mp_en_viaje: in all shapes and forms, from suicide to spending their day fucking with chiclid fish or collecting stamps ; from going to war to editing wikipedia.
diana_coman: for that matter I'm not even sure what exactly are they *less* conservative about, anyway
mp_en_viaje: there's some biological and plenty of social basis for this, too.
mp_en_viaje: kinda the basis of human society, too. dude stops car in gas station, orders a fill. obvious enough he's one of the people who gets fills at gas stations -- there's the car, there he stands asking for gas, in the manner such is done.
diana_coman: aha; basically having done the work and spoke the words, it takes all of 3 minutes, sure; as always.
mp_en_viaje: "i'm the guy that so and so".
diana_coman: the "had what to point to and knew what to ask for" sounds superficially a "point and babble" sort of thing; doesn't work quite that well if that's ALL there is to it
mp_en_viaje: absent the two... why, you can lick the walls for decades, go on pixel clicking hunts until you break down your mouse.
mp_en_viaje: honestly, i'd propose it's about 0% different from how things work here. have the creds and speak the words, you're in, takes all of three and a half minutes.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, even with civillians... me spent a few hours in the tiniest spa known to mankind. rando couple, "soo.. .are you a triplet ?" "actually, they're my slaves" "wut?!?!?" "do you know what bdsm is ?" dude : nope ; chick yup.
asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje knows how to strip the electron shell from the latter and make bromine trifluoride neh
mp_en_viaje: back in the old days they had a male/gay/leather thing and a lesbo/uni/femintard thing.
BingoBoingo: May have existed in the 1980s?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what was it like in the old days ?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other sad news, belgrade bdsm scene seems to consist 100% of "escort services"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 23:57 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911178 << imho that's just about half the appeal -- 'resolve(ads.liquishit.com) ? null!'
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911186 << not to mention all the "tracking pixel" bullshits.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/naked-sluts-in-hotel-rooms-a-frank-discussion-of-harem-sexuality-the-warm-pubic-reception-of-the-general-public-and-other-typos/ << Trilema -- Naked sluts in hotel rooms, a frank discussion of harem sexuality, the warm pubic reception of the general public and other typos.
mp_en_viaje: plenty got that in them ; and plenty got other, and better things. but until you hurt them well, you never know, nor does it ever show.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, in harem technologies from the future, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Brownfinger/8051557/1277517574/mask22.jpg
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo,"These USG tantrums lacked any self awareness as details of the plot failed were spilled to the extent that any plausible deniability of the USG's leadership of the plot is undeniable." >> "Besides ample unintentional comedy, the childish lack of self awareness from which these USG tantrums stem renders impossible any sort of deniability of USG's "leadership" (or more properly, dreamership) of the remarkably braindamaged plot."
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911183 << same exact way it's done now. consider what happens now, dig freenode -> http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#selection-31.0-59.22
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 17:56 mp_en_viaje: heck, half my discussions of such start with "that idiot one, with the horse face" or equivalent. i've been living for many years with tons of entries in the pantsuit namespace not resolving to anything whatsoever, and to no detriment.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911178 << imho that's just about half the appeal -- 'resolve(ads.liquishit.com) ? null!'
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 17:51 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911165 << it's not clear to me that it would be te case even then. there;s no rule that a domain must resolve to a single ip.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 17:54 mp_en_viaje: Mocky, moreover, there's no "one true internet" understood as a collection of equal and idempotent sites. maybe a1 no longer resolving is a feature not a bug for a subset of pressers.
mp_en_viaje: heck, half my discussions of such start with "that idiot one, with the horse face" or equivalent. i've been living for many years with tons of entries in the pantsuit namespace not resolving to anything whatsoever, and to no detriment.
mp_en_viaje: (gns is gns, a's can be domain names as they can be dictionary words. i can see the argument for "global warming" or w/e tv "celebrity" not resolving to anything.)
mp_en_viaje: Mocky, moreover, there's no "one true internet" understood as a collection of equal and idempotent sites. maybe a1 no longer resolving is a feature not a bug for a subset of pressers.
mp_en_viaje: consider education : you could sleep in class instead of paying attention. "but why would i ?" "you fucking wouldn't, obviously. but if someone did -- will you guard them ?"
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911169 << point isn't that you'd necessarily want to ; point is that you certainly don't want to try and prevent another.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911165 << it's not clear to me that it would be te case even then. there;s no rule that a domain must resolve to a single ip.
asciilifeform: i've prolly signed moar entirely logically-exclusive documents than anyone else, but they were proggy variants. if one were to do this re ip/name , then, what , gotta manually disentangle vtree erry time you want to resolve a site ?!
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 05:31 mp_en_viaje: (in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911102 is at best naive : if you insist that my key does not sign competing chains [which is not even necessarily a bad idea] i will simply make ~multiple keys~, which will each sign whichver chain i wish to sign for whatever reason, and which will pass the "omg civil war" safeguard while achieving exactly no satisfaction of the bijection contemplated -- they'll still be my keys, one and all.)
Mocky: my point is not that this is likely to happen, but that it would defeat the purpose of host name resolution to release patches in this way and so it would end up being a linear chain among cooperating folks. But on further consideration I see that this is only true when patches contain more than mapping change
Mocky: supposing that a0, a1 etc. are host names and b0 etc are ip addresses, and further suppose that at time t2 a1 becomes unreachable at b2 and reachable at b1 (precipitating the patch a t2) then there are now no nodes in the flow going all the way out to t5 and beyond where both a0 and a1 would be reachable if pressed
Mocky: mp, I can make my point using your flow if you allow a slight change to the patch at t1, such that instead of 'a0 -> b0, a1 -> b2' it does 'a0 -> b9, a1 -> b2'.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-04 05:44 mp_en_viaje: where's the civil war ? obviously if A wants to be upsed at F, or R, or for that matter Q or U it's entirely his right and priviledge to proceed ; but what ~systematic~ rule for warmaking can you propose on the basis of this flow of history ?
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-04#1911138 << I did not construe asciilifeform's language of civil war/schism to suggest that the proposal is weak to systematic attack, merely that a schism between people could be reflected in the graph
mp_en_viaje: in other sads, apparently yest trilema header was blank because i used - instead of _ in filename. pshaw.
mp_en_viaje: kinda reminds me of that very argentine http://trilema.com/2016/my-rather-sad-breakfast-or-fuck-you-smart-food-company-srl-and-fuck-you-industria-argentina/
diana_coman: hotelmoskva has no better internets than the public house apparently
diana_coman: well, fornetti and nutella and whatever else, when going cheaper and then cheaper and so on, how else can it really go
diana_coman: heh, fornetti is the universal name for industrialised replacement of replacement in the pastry world; I hadn't realised it had spread that far.
mp_en_viaje: the industrialized croissant.
mp_en_viaje: basically the cheap and inedible "fornetti" crap took over.
mp_en_viaje: this is a horrible loss to human culture i guess few are apt to appreciate. but horrible nevertheless.
mp_en_viaje: sadly belgrade's sour milks and bread specialties culture seems to have muchly decayed in the intervening ~decade.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in the dungeons, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Bicdsubslut/8082234/1242057165/bdsmlr-80572-srpk59uhcd.jpg
mp_en_viaje: nobody's about to order anyone to document all the water -- and by this i mean, asciilifeform ain't gonna send himself on such foolish errands, nor you, nor anyone else. let the water be.
mp_en_viaje: to put it in other terms -- if this fit in head, it'd be broken. the ~mechanism~ is supposed to be fit in head ; not the data.
mp_en_viaje: (pro tip : of fucking course you can't, if you could it'd be therefore cryptographically weak.)
mp_en_viaje: where's the civil war ? obviously if A wants to be upsed at F, or R, or for that matter Q or U it's entirely his right and priviledge to proceed ; but what ~systematic~ rule for warmaking can you propose on the basis of this flow of history ?
mp_en_viaje: at t5, yet another fellow has the choice of whether to follow F's chain, or R's chain, or the A-Q-G-B-N-I chain or so following.
mp_en_viaje: at t4, another fellow named F looks to change gns so that a0 -> b8. this fellow goes through all the keys, loads up all possible tips (which are t1#t1, t2#t1, t3#t3, the last one ~in itself ambiguous at this point in our tale) and produces : on the first chain a t4#t2 ; on the 2nd chain a t4#t2 ; on the third chain a t4#t4, and signs all of these.
mp_en_viaje: suppose yet again the fellow knows A. in this case, he has a choice : either he does the first suppose above, or the second. this choice is ~his~.
mp_en_viaje: suppose instead the fellow only knew K. he'd have pressed t1#t1, resulting in a gns a0->b0 ; a1 -> b2 ; a2 -> b5 and a manifest #t3.
mp_en_viaje: At t3, a fellow looks to add a2 -> b5 to the gns. suppose this fellow whose name is R knows only Q. Thus therefore he presses t2#t1, and so gns becomes a1->b1, a2->b5 while manifest becomes #t3.
mp_en_viaje: At t2, there is a patch upon t0#t0, transforming gns to a1->b1 ; manifest becomes #t1. this is signed by A, Q, G, B, N, I.
mp_en_viaje: At t1, there is a patch upon t0#t0, transforming gns to a0 -> b0 ; a1 -> b2 ; manifest becomes #t1. this is signed by A, W, F, G, U, K.
mp_en_viaje: At t0, there is a genesis, consisting of a gns file, containing a0 -> b0 ; and a manifest file, containing #t0.
mp_en_viaje: now then, specifically as to the whole "no. bla bla", let's look at how this works in practice :
mp_en_viaje: as it stands, i also do not see a problem with the same one key signing whatever count of ~compatible~ versions of the universe, where the key's to define what compatible actually means, following therefrom that there's exactly jack shit one can systematically do by looking at the totalized pile of keys signatures and possibilities. (the familiar will readily recognize a pattern here).
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 22:21 asciilifeform: Mocky: re vpatches -- as i understand, the contemplated structure is a linear chain, and 'siblings' could only occur in event of schisms/civil war , rather than as a regular thing
mp_en_viaje: (in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911102 is at best naive : if you insist that my key does not sign competing chains [which is not even necessarily a bad idea] i will simply make ~multiple keys~, which will each sign whichver chain i wish to sign for whatever reason, and which will pass the "omg civil war" safeguard while achieving exactly no satisfaction of the bijection contemplated -- they'll still be my keys, one and all.)
mp_en_viaje: for which reason : yes there is going to be a press for anyone pressing. how exactly this press is constructed out of the universe of possible pressings, that's a matter established through the interplay of domains, as defined by the keys belonging to them.
mp_en_viaje: rather, the novel follows ~the hero public~, and from THIS perspective tells the adventures of various cioloveks, ~whose names are only in the first place predicated on THEIR appartenence to the hero of our novel, the status-of-being-public~.
mp_en_viaje: the novel does not follow hero ilya muromets (whom you know is the hero cuz that's who the novel follows) and from this perspective describes his adventures in the lands of public or private.
mp_en_viaje: the second is that however vectorial or otherwise non-scalar / non-naive extension of bad literature these "public" or "private" be defined, they are NOT properties of the user, deemed as an individual, sovereign and central item in the construction of the world.
mp_en_viaje: then there's the public of right here, but also the public of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-26#1904761 ; both of these very much public, but public to different publics.
mp_en_viaje: there's such a thing as the private1 of mp alone, and the private #2 of mp and slut x, and private #3 of mp and slut y, and private #4 of mp and slut x and slut y, and so following.
mp_en_viaje: the first is that there does not exist a "public" or a "private" as such, in the manner there exists "good guys" or "the rootless cosmopolitans" as found in novels badly written by tendentious authors.
Mocky: Maybe my prior comments were too abrasive / snarky making it difficult to engage, if so that's on me. Or maybe I just don't understand. Either way there's no point me trying to continue with the content of an argument that no one can engage with.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 08:03 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910983 << mind : the consensus press as visible from your own set of seals!
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910995 << no. The proposed spec results in a linear chain, the tip of which is the only place where the next vpatch could go without a schism/civil war. On your own computer you can press wherever you want in the chain (or have private branches w/e), but in public you can only release further vpaches based on the same tip of the chain that everyone has. this is defacto consensus.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 12:19 mp_en_viaje: moreover, the selection of seals you put in your seals dir permits you to choose from a multitude of different trees.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 22:21 asciilifeform: Mocky: re vpatches -- as i understand, the contemplated structure is a linear chain, and 'siblings' could only occur in event of schisms/civil war , rather than as a regular thing
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911102 << i guess I don't have the priors to understand the contemplated structure. I'm not sure how to reconcile the obvious linear chain with: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911020
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 22:19 asciilifeform: Mocky: iirc mircea_popescu's scheme centers around a return to the good ol' days when ~all~ names could be found on a given machine's /etc/hosts (or equiv.) -- so one ~could~ in principle use a very slow mechanism to sync'em, and it'll still work in practice. ( tho i also would rather avoid cementing tcpisms into future design of whatever type )
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911101 << I also would rather avoid cementing tcpisms into future design of whatever type, which is why I bring it up
mp_en_viaje: to put in in those terms, the problem ain't so much that i didn't read what you said ; the problem's rather that nor i nor anyone else seems to know ~know~ how to read it.
mp_en_viaje: in any case i'd say just about any single implication you propose doesn't follow. elementarily different people having differing views of a patchset on the basis of their seals works just fine with manifest files as without. and so on.
mp_en_viaje: e this situation therefore i say "apparent unfamiliarity".
mp_en_viaje: elementarily you can press to both http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip and http://btcbase.org/patches/bitcoin-asciilifeform.3-turdmeister-alert-snip for instance. either one or the other at any one time, of course, but both in the general sense of "can press". because it's not clear what you mean by "both", and because the question's either absurd or trivial whichever way one goes, and because you don't seem to diagnos
mp_en_viaje: mkay, the breakage here's more than i know how to readily address.
asciilifeform: Mocky: re vpatches -- as i understand, the contemplated structure is a linear chain, and 'siblings' could only occur in event of schisms/civil war , rather than as a regular thing
asciilifeform: Mocky: iirc mircea_popescu's scheme centers around a return to the good ol' days when ~all~ names could be found on a given machine's /etc/hosts (or equiv.) -- so one ~could~ in principle use a very slow mechanism to sync'em, and it'll still work in practice. ( tho i also would rather avoid cementing tcpisms into future design of whatever type )
Mocky: and i can also expand later on what's with the 'connecting', tcp? and what's with the directories, protocol on top of tcp? I'm hoping that its figurative and you don't literally want to build gns on tcp and http
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 12:18 mp_en_viaje: Mocky, i dunno what you mean. it almost reads like you're talking from a complete unfamiliarity with V altogether. what do you mean even, "press multiple heads AT THE SAME TIME". any v tree permits any v operator the choice of where the fuck to press to. if the tree is 1->2->3 you can choose to press to 1, 2 or 3. this is not "at the same time".
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911019 << I stated my assumption, for confirmation, that you can't press to both heads, and you answered with "why not?", and I followed up with 'what would that even look like?' I stated in two different ways that I'm talking about sibling patches with the same parent, not 1->2->3. did you even read what i wrote?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:08 mp_en_viaje: phf, what are you doing these days ?
asciilifeform: potentially a 'symbiosis' that could live for many yrs, neither ingredient is likely to run out any time soon
asciilifeform: dorkmarkets consist on 1 end of usg honeypot and on other, of redditards entirely tired -- apparently -- of living , is afaik all there is to it
BingoBoingo: ^ The tor woodchipper continues consuming derps
BingoBoingo: And one of Mujica's MPP buddies is looking a a prosecution, provided the standard latino legislator immunity gets waived https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/fiscal-pidio-procesamiento-para-el-diputado-daniel-placeres-201953133842
PeterL: maybe the 10th century southern limit of Lithuania was within the largest extent of AH, but most people don't think of that as part of Lithuania
BingoBoingo: ^ PeterL mats_ jurov lobbes and other interested parties are welcome to begin bidding to set this month's exchange rate
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: maybe it really is a brothel ; i doubt it tho, looked like slightly ditzy run of the mill.
mp_en_viaje stopped at "Public House" 4 star hotel earlier walking about. "i don't think they know what public house means", quoth i to my girls. "of course we do!" quoth reception desk gal.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what are you using for modem, lol, the remains of the killed stealth bomber in belgrad ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 08:18 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910992 << what exactly can possibly prevent you from keeping retarded dns if that;s what you want ? i mean, just because i'm not stuck editing /etc/hosts by hand all the time does it mean anything about that ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1911006 << imho the correct use, given working gns, for errybody's stockpile of heathen dns names, is to park gateways
asciilifeform: it's what the 'i2p' etc folx do to this day iirc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910992 << there's a simple , if ugly , pill for giving heathens working links -- http://a.working.box.with.gateway/mocky etc
asciilifeform: the linked chix must be a chemist!11
a111: Logged on 2018-11-01 01:08 mircea_popescu: they don't got the guts to qatar/burma anymore, that's for damn sure.
BingoBoingo: Aite, I can see how whaack kept on the German chicks
diana_coman: and the contents of the manifest file itself are obtained from pressing a tree so it's not like you get mismatch tree <-> manifest and a tangle or I don't see it
mp_en_viaje: but yes in this case the manifest is possibly spurious, as you're always changing the same one file anyway
diana_coman: fwiw I don't get what the issue is there and what does the manifest have to do with anything
mp_en_viaje: whichever way this is turned, i dun manage to see what the problem is.
mp_en_viaje: then again, if the user cares about the signatures in his seals NOT doing this in the first place, he can just nuke whoever who does do it (and can use his own sig to bridge whatever bridges he wants bridged)
mp_en_viaje: indeed, if the set of signatures in your seals dir signs a bunch of different possible trees, the situation becomes ambiguous. i was saying, i don't think this is a problem at all (if for no other reason, then because either the user cares or doesn't care. if he does care he can just sign whichever he prefers, then put his own signature in the seals and presto. if he does not care then he doesn't care.)
mp_en_viaje: which of these is problematic ?
mp_en_viaje: moreover, the selection of seals you put in your seals dir permits you to choose from a multitude of different trees.
mp_en_viaje: Mocky, i dunno what you mean. it almost reads like you're talking from a complete unfamiliarity with V altogether. what do you mean even, "press multiple heads AT THE SAME TIME". any v tree permits any v operator the choice of where the fuck to press to. if the tree is 1->2->3 you can choose to press to 1, 2 or 3. this is not "at the same time".
mp_en_viaje: jesus the serbs have terribad itnernets.
Mocky: what would it even look like pressing to multiple heads at the same time? how can you get the updates in both patch 1 and 2 if they are siblings?
Mocky: the idea seems go be that different people have their own view of hosts file updates based on own view of wot, however, it only works a) without the manifest file and b) pressing to all heads, not just one
mp_en_viaje: obviously in time you'll discover that it's eminently not WORTH it to pay 10 bux or w/e to random empire of idiots pretend-authority. and obviously you'll discover it's fun to declare google.com or w/e whitehouse.gov == pronhub. but these future discovery is neither here nor there ; and the fact that my email currently addressed to mp@whitehouse.gov will start even being delivered once gns is live also doesn' tmatter that much
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910992 << what exactly can possibly prevent you from keeping retarded dns if that;s what you want ? i mean, just because i'm not stuck editing /etc/hosts by hand all the time does it mean anything about that ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 04:27 Mocky: I see embrace and extinguish as more appropriate for dns destruction (ala a dnsmasq-esque approach) than isolated bunkers. I mean, i could have joined up with republic prime instead, but they already completed work on gns prime, and maybe they passed out ip based links for a while, but eventually pulled up the ladders to their tree forts and now they can't even be found. So who knows if republic prime or double prime even exists.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910987 > i haven't used civillian dns for what, two years now. i dont' care to, either. this usecase is massively more important than "fetlife slut". for one thing, fetlife slut ain't reading anything anyway ; for the other thing, nothing forces you to limit yourself to gns if you don't want to.
mp_en_viaje: so if there's say people a - f and patches counted numerically, supposing you have 1(a-f) -> 2(a, b) / 3 (b c d e f), patch 4 for someone who has a seals list made up of a, b should be on 2,
a111: Logged on 2019-05-03 03:18 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874402 << this suggests that each key holder can only host $key/gns at one ip address. And what about vpatch ordering and the v manifest file? If i have an entry for archive.is and want to change that entry, I can't just make and sign a patch of my own, i have to patch on top of the 'consensus' press, otherwise manifest won't match and can't press multiple heads. Am I wrong about how that works?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-03#1910983 << mind : the consensus press as visible from your own set of seals!
mp_en_viaje: hi all from the lovely beograd
diana_coman: Mocky: isn't the "right one" dns client you're talking about simply a bridge? i.e. sure, have as many bridges as you want, too, what exactly is the problem?
Mocky: 'your machine is broke, here's the fix...'
Mocky: i would prefer, 'that link to mocky.istheshit/proof doesn't work? you must have a shitty dns client, here's the right one...'
Mocky: what's the point of having names if I have to also be ready with the ip addresses all the damn time?
Mocky: I see embrace and extinguish as more appropriate for dns destruction (ala a dnsmasq-esque approach) than isolated bunkers. I mean, i could have joined up with republic prime instead, but they already completed work on gns prime, and maybe they passed out ip based links for a while, but eventually pulled up the ladders to their tree forts and now they can't even be found. So who knows if republic prime or double prime even exists.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 14:52 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910401 << how to handle log links on e.g. blog, such that heathen-loadable tho. ( naked ip, and s/old/new when changes ? )
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910435 << using gns as proposed, I don't see any other way than passing out ip based links. I can't send a blog link to a slut on fetlife who doesn't have cuntoo, nor can i send a link to cuntoo guide. The whole thing seems like tree forts connected with tin cans and string. For gossipd I have no objection, for name resolution of published material? How is it even published if 'must be this tall to
a111: Logged on 2018-11-24 19:51 mircea_popescu: i ~suppose~ one manner of handling this is the followingf convention : patches to be acquired from $key/gns/ dir, for all keys in the seals ring. so it'd look for "6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452/gns" which is not a "valid" domain per usg.verisign "rules" however it DOES resolve in our own system. because we can put ips on anything we want.
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-24#1874402 << this suggests that each key holder can only host $key/gns at one ip address. And what about vpatch ordering and the v manifest file? If i have an entry for archive.is and want to change that entry, I can't just make and sign a patch of my own, i have to patch on top of the 'consensus' press, otherwise manifest won't match and can't press multiple heads. Am I wrong about how that works?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:49 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910580 << prolly time to drop the phraseology and settle for a more adequately modest http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html sorta thing, "this is what i intend to do". doesn't it get akward to "oh, state of bitcoin address, mod6 did this mod6 did that mod6 did the other" ?
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910644 << Aha, yes it does. Thanks for the example link to get me thinking. Will switch it up on the next one.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:44 mp_en_viaje: who wants to do the tmsr dns ? jurov ? mod6 ? Mocky maybe ? mats ?
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910400 << I want to do the dns. I was reading recently: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gns
asciilifeform: lol, wai would they 'yield'. usg prints moola by the gigatonne, gives'em just like gives to microshit. a++ 'biznismodel'. aand nao finally banned competing chinese router ( which, lulzily, is mostly indistinguishable from cisco in any way that matters )
BingoBoingo: But... they just won't yield
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/yet-another-nobus-backdoor-to-root-on-cisco-kit-burned-after-the-us-set-expanded/ << Qntra -- Yet Another NOBUS Backdoor To Root On Cisco Kit Burned After The "Us" Set Expanded
BingoBoingo: Should be plenty of them in NY from what I hear
whaack: whaack, you know, for the record, "here's this vz chick i picked up" does not count as noise on this channel. << noted!
asciilifeform: 1 possible pill is to run'em in pairs, and both reset if dun see pm from the other within x min ( iirc mircea_popescu suggested this some yrs ago )
lobbes_field: mircea_popescu: re: specced in lisp, indeed, with the exception of my python command router / auctionbot, the rest of the ircbot/logbot v-tree is lisp. I know python ain't long for the world so I figure it is time I lose those training wheels
lobbes_field: Bit as a practical start, I may just sit down and read some of the existing items out there (cl-who) and then eventually freeze/gebesis
lobbes_field: I.e. If, say, spyked writes a better cl-www-tron I'd still want to be able to fit the thing in my head. So any work I do toward 'building my own' will only aid me in that task (hence relatedly, I suppose, why 'build yer own v-tron' is a commonly recommended exercise).
lobbes_field: To continue my earlier cut-line: I think in the past I've been too sensitive regarding avoidance of 'duplicitive efforts', but the mircea_popescu quote of "all time is burned time" has been burning in my head.
lobbes_field: asciilifeform I did see that in my research. Glad to know you've used in the past with satisfactory results
lobbes_field: On dumbphone atm, heres rest of line "the worst outcome for me personally would be I learn more cl (i.e. not a bad thing at all). And we get some republican items made in either case."
lobbes_field: mircea_popescu pretty much, would need something that can take loglines from the logbot's log table and produce html
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is suspect the number of Venezolanas vs venezolanos I've met here may be a function of distance. The ones here got out on their own or got out with family money.
mircea_popescu: lobbes_field, what's the idea here anyway, like a sort of "script html in cl" ?
mircea_popescu: heck, most things that consist of someone doing something don't. it's like old style dad wallet pics of the kid : "here's my kid doing this, here's my kid doign that..."
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 15:23 asciilifeform: none of these currently on front burner, but will be 9000x easier to revive if meanwhile lobbes et al produce an edible cl 'wwwism kit'
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910762 << verily, it is much needed at this point for various applications. Seems like there are several in L1 who probably are much closer to genesis-ing such a kit (phf, ben_vulpes, spyked, prolly a few others), though as it stands now there are still no vpatches. I figure I'll get the ball rolling and if any of the mentioned to 'beat-me-to-the-punch' here (and I welcome this) the worst outc
mircea_popescu: whaack, you know, for the record, "here's this vz chick i picked up" does not count as noise on this channel.
BingoBoingo: They tend to do that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, fwis, vz emmigration mostly the same young and distrophic male the arabs export also.
whaack: yup, all casados. but i can't say that that was a problem as i do like casados. it was just an added effort to be with ticas over the germans that i did not make, and my Spanish paid for it
BingoBoingo has seens some gringos here fall into similar traps passing through, but not many other year+ gingos in the city.
whaack: ^ exactly. There were a few brief stints with SSL girls, but nothing that stuck
mircea_popescu: lmao. you're supposed to pick upo the local dwarves, how the ruck else are you going to learn spanish
whaack: but more's the point : and your hedonism actually kept you away from internets for the interval ?! << it certainly reduced it drastically. but i've been around, reading the logs etc. I would of course love to have done that, but I also feel a duty to keep the SNR down in this channel as i fix a lot of my shortcomings.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, 'packet of death' on 5.x linux kernels, via braindamaged coad in udp frag reassembler
whaack: whaack, picked up a girlfriend or two at the least ? << Of course! The tourism of Tamarindo includes a steady stream of European girls that come to learn Spanish for a few months.
mircea_popescu: we could've visited the http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/ together or some shit. i mean, i guess yes there was that one line in the log, but for reasons i now don't recall didn't make any impression at the time. nor is a single solitary throwaway line like that gonna make that much impression -- you wanna get anywhere you gotta mocky it!
mircea_popescu: but more's the point : and your hedonism actually kept you away from internets for the interval ?!
mircea_popescu: whaack, picked up a girlfriend or two at the least ?
mircea_popescu: tamarindo is what's called "rather touristy"