mp_en_viaje: goes all the way back to tang dynasty.
mp_en_viaje: yeah. they're this cloud of idiots, this dude, graham, jobs, they all wear stupid clothes and aim to impress the gullible public by a certain style of fireworks.
mp_en_viaje: https://seths.blog/2019/05/kinds-of-truth/ << this might be the dumbest piece of drivel i read today.
mp_en_viaje: Kinds of truth Gravitys not just a good idea, its the law. << check out the schmuck, "oh, here, nobody will notice pantsuitist pretense, let's talk about how gravity is the law. because hilary mcloser voted it!!!"
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i learned early on that he who has the money gets to decide what to spend it on.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: the rub is, 'konsoomer' dun particularly care to spray cutting oil and aluminum swarf all over himself
mp_en_viaje: "One of the most popular in the world 7,000 posts so far, more than a million readers." ; dude's still going, check him out. les keks.
stjohn_piano_2: although for speech rec, it was small company (my father), so I also did bookkeeping, reading about taxes, setting up computers, etc.
stjohn_piano_2: speech rec company: learned to build / tune /test speech rec systems (nuance, grxml). ran transcription projects for the test data. wrote statistical sampler scripts for the output.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so mechanical engineer for factory and then software engineer for sound recording thing ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, it's what he did with the bag of moola. immediately politruks appeared to 'help' him 'see light' etc
mp_en_viaje: apparently those are easy to get, in usgistan. then again... long standing tradition, who still recalls the "tribes" genius.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: furniture factory: i studied all the components i was given and tried to make them work together: so, camera, computer, motion controller, servomotors, wiring etc.
asciilifeform: ~then~ something snapped in his head, and came delusions of 'biznis genius'
asciilifeform has both on shelf, they're notbad
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:04 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if you think about it, not only common, but forced because necessary. the human condition in postmodernism, as "lost on a raft atop sea of nonsense" kinda forces the tribe's expendable labour (ie, young males) into the "quickly search through large portions of sea"
mp_en_viaje: tho i suspect other guy wrote, graham talked.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, more like in 90s, didn't they write a lisp-web thing ?
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, ok, but what did you do for them ? accounting ?
mp_en_viaje chuckles thinking back on the dfays of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ ; remember back when internet "people" actually thought paul graham has shit to say on topics and things ?
stjohn_piano_2: speec rec company wanted transcription projects to test the speech systems.
stjohn_piano_2: furniture factory wanted to see if they could make and sell a cnc mini-mill.
mp_en_viaje: so basically you were involved in one small biz, and it had something or the other to do with digitization, or w/e in that vein.
mp_en_viaje: ever since that graham scammer completely lost it, and started whining about some idiots who "handmade cereal boxes to sell their idea"
mp_en_viaje: well, maybe i misread the substance of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913875 ; afaik 80% of what "small business" means for the past ~decade is exaftly the above.
asciilifeform: Key ID - 0x889ACC4FC8EFFF13 is defo not any of his subs ~or~ the primary. trinque ^ prolly worth a look
mp_en_viaje: anyway, here's a consultancy i'm willing to hire you for : find some place that a) doesn't suck and b) offers a good price to advertise trilema on. large venues only ; none of the pompous bullshit. bulk adult traffic would do fine for instance, maybe talk to the juicyads dorks.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: in the future, you'll want to do exactly same manipulation, but in privmsg w/ deedbot .
stjohn_piano_2: asciiliform, mp_en_viaje: thanks for the help
asciilifeform: aa there we go, ...273 was his primary (pgpdump for soemreason doesn't dump fphash of primary)
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, seems inconceivable the nick was pre-registered ?!
asciilifeform: which aint any of the subs in his regged pub
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: also plz paste the eggog output from attempt
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, do the voicing in here
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: hey, dun have to go far for this, e.g. asciilifeform earns bread these days by 'which 11 pages of microshit docs add up to the truth re $kernelknob' etc
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: have exported pub-derived-from-priv and diffed it with pub-downloaded-from-deedbot. no difference other than "Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)".
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if you think about it, not only common, but forced because necessary. the human condition in postmodernism, as "lost on a raft atop sea of nonsense" kinda forces the tribe's expendable labour (ie, young males) into the "quickly search through large portions of sea"
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: i have imported the corresponding priv. will now export pub and confirm that it's the same as the one in deedbot.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in the case of subkeyism, he oughta then see a diff b/w the dumps, as i understand
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, he prolly registered they main but gpg wants to use the sub (or vice-versa, i dun recall which this was)
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: seems like your pgptron still doesn't have access to the corresponding priv ?
stjohn_piano_2: (correct key ID of the public key) *
stjohn_piano_2: puzzler: why the key ID in the otp message is C8EFFF13, while my key's fingerprint is 599152AC. importing the private key into gpg produces (in gpg --list-keys) the correct key ID 599152AC. diffing the key returned by deedbot with my public key shows no difference.
mp_en_viaje: certainly displays the patience required, to, eg, make a quite pretty mp-wp clone in python.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-05 16:52 mircea_popescu: well, there's that old "as i became a man i put the things of childhood aside". "something else", you know ? not a girl, no, but who knows what terror ?!
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, in a sense, the issue here you'll now have to transition into maturity.
asciilifeform: this sorta underscores mp_en_viaje's point -- if you have automation in the loop, it had better work and actually save time
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: no. still tracing back over the steps.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: got anywhere re the puzzler of why key noworky?
asciilifeform: curable, is the good news
stjohn_piano_2: i guess i could say that i'm very good at reading a lot of material and picking out the bit that is necessary for a problem.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: thanks for feedback, by the way.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:48 mp_en_viaje: so look, and i hope you don't take this the wrong way (a hope mostly fed by your claim to have read the logs) : you're a guy with an evident humanities / non-technical background trying to get something going, start a company, all that stuff. nothing wrong with that. you are however currently beset by two prongs of problem. one is that in your quest to do something, you often do things that are getting in your own way -- there's no benefit for you f
mp_en_viaje: now -- the 2nd is probably more approachable.
mp_en_viaje: the other prong is that you don't actually have anything you can compete in. slave labour or no slave labour, she does it in five hours and you don't.
BingoBoingo: And a lot of people advertising for "transcription" aren't the sort equipped to decode cultureal artifacts
mp_en_viaje: rom all the pomp of "datafeed article 103," etc. it just clunks up your thought process. i know you don' tthink so, familiarity breeds a feeling of safety etc. but it's absolutely never worth it to have more shit than you need.
mp_en_viaje: so look, and i hope you don't take this the wrong way (a hope mostly fed by your claim to have read the logs) : you're a guy with an evident humanities / non-technical background trying to get something going, start a company, all that stuff. nothing wrong with that. you are however currently beset by two prongs of problem. one is that in your quest to do something, you often do things that are getting in your own way -- there's no benefit for you f
asciilifeform: i dare say this is not the 1st line of work i'd picture a fella with broken hands going into..
BingoBoingo: human-powered ocr has a high error rate when the wrong bipeds are involved
stjohn_piano_2: well, i'd use human-powered ocr then (given residual rsi). i've hired transcribers before. i'd then correct the result myself.
asciilifeform: was gonna say. stjohn_piano_2 take a look at his input, it's the ultimate, possibly, torture test for ocrtron, 18th c. manuscript.
stjohn_piano_2: ah. i'll look at the original.
stjohn_piano_2: well, we'd choose some hourly rate agreeable to both of us. i'd use an OCR site and correct the result. eventually, i might invest time in my own ocr fork.
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, to continue that line, what'd http://bimbo.club/2019/05/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-jan-febr-and-march-1716-part-v/ cost if edgecase did it ?
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: yes. i have imported the corresponding priv key to this instance of gpg.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: at the risk of belabouring the obv., you gotta see to it that yer custom pgp wrapper actually has access to the priv that went with the pub you regged
mp_en_viaje: nuts. it so happens it sounds exactly like what the "transparently clever & ironic" made-up name an xkcd-minded 2010s cleverist would come up with.
stjohn_piano_2 is reading http://edgecase.net/articles/basic_gpg_commands to try to use GPG the normal way to decrypt the otp.
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: my name is actually StJohn Piano. my brother's name is Nicholas Piano. the company is just me.
mp_en_viaje: so is it you and a friend made a company and you call each other piano-something and the company is edgecase ?
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, so why "If Edgecase cannot answer your question, Edgecase will probably be able to suggest some potential avenues of exploration." ? wtf is an edgecase then
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:34 mp_en_viaje: if soemthing you should do can be accomplished in one hand motion, you'll do it a lot easier than if you have to first curtsy and then proceed. and a curtsy can be anything -- including having to remember the name of a script.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aha, and how linux ended up with the lulzy util names. and so on
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: diffing the output of pgpdump -i [key] and pgpdump -i [deedbotkey] shows no difference.
mp_en_viaje: one sure as fuck loves writing when the path from idea to published article is an hour or so.
mp_en_viaje: all sorts of unexpected things improve productivity, and the thing with improved productivity is that it's a very hard exponential -- cutting yet another 1% dead weight produces massive gains because it lowers effort under pleasure threshold.
mp_en_viaje: if soemthing you should do can be accomplished in one hand motion, you'll do it a lot easier than if you have to first curtsy and then proceed. and a curtsy can be anything -- including having to remember the name of a script.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, to belabour the point : there is immense value in having low barriers. part of why trilema is so great is all the time i put into making it very easy for myself to write on/for it. and my life in general is very finely tuned by this principle.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:28 mp_en_viaje: umm. why the fuck would anyone. then whine about rsi ? how about not waste your time doing machine works.
mp_en_viaje: but you nevertheless understand what i mean ?
stjohn_piano_2: mp_en_viaje: certainly. i'm not certain that i knew about xxd at the time.
asciilifeform: the tx i mean
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what's the sense in airgapping published material ?
mp_en_viaje is currently quite satisfied with the trilema/rss > irc > archive.is system of archival. for one thing, on very rare occasions i will retrofix a typo or something. for the other, if i actually wanted to deed each trilema article i would, but by automating that itnerface. seems overkill atm.
mp_en_viaje: umm. why the fuck would anyone. then whine about rsi ? how about not waste your time doing machine works.
stjohn_piano_2: uploaded to one of the various broadcast places.
mp_en_viaje: so i take it the pissing into blockchain of article checksum is automated ? or you do it by hand on some level ?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 15:54 mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, $ echo "ϰλιρουόμος ϰλιρουομία χλιρουομια" | xxd
mp_en_viaje: and it's worth your time to do this by yourself rather than actually use deedbot because why ? tryina learn how shit works ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In practice it seems so. Neither the reds nor the blues have a monopoly on the mud hut deindustrialists.
stjohn_piano_2: i mean, i understand the idea.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 19:36 mircea_popescu: which, amusingly, makes the jesus pantsuits ACTUALLY MORE PROGRESSIVE than the new yorker crowd.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:10 BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> fwiw, we could note the dispute is strictly internal socialist dispute, the ultra-reds "terroristed" the moderate-blue group. << Guy claimed to be a "green" fwiw
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913697 << yes, but there;s no such thin gas green. there's red-socialist as in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-22#1702376 and then the blue socialists as in clinton-dnc
asciilifeform: 'Nicholas Piano: It needs to be something that proves someone's worth beyond a doubt. Imagine we treated programmer failure like the death of a patient in surgery. Think of a system tested so completely that every possible use case has been accounted for. Perhaps an air traffic control simulation ...'
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re gpg, seems like he reimplemented the mechanism in orig v
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, but why the heck would you use digital ocean.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:18 mp_en_viaje: http://edgecase.net/articles/conversation_programmer_licences << what's the weird here ? a) wrt to a buncha people calling themselves x piano ; b) wrt to hand-publishing what's eminently a chatlog, as such ? why not use a logger and only publish selected snippets that need notes and such ?
a111: Logged on 2014-09-22 04:33 asciilifeform: switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na
mp_en_viaje: http://edgecase.net/articles/conversation_programmer_licences << what's the weird here ? a) wrt to a buncha people calling themselves x piano ; b) wrt to hand-publishing what's eminently a chatlog, as such ? why not use a logger and only publish selected snippets that need notes and such ?
stjohn_piano_2: manage_ip_addresses is a small interface for the paywall ip addresses. it's a thrown-together paywall, not fantastic, but functional.
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: how long, approx, have you been eating the logs ?
stjohn_piano_2 is learning pgpdump in the background, btw
asciilifeform: loox like stjohn_piano_2 built/attempted to build a 'display these pgp-signed .txt with html sugar' mechanism ?
mp_en_viaje: you have to understand, you can't ~anachronize~ ; you gotta explain how it makes sense in time-bound context. otherwise yes forever it'll be the case "past makes sense, present does not"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: consider diff b/w 'im'a go pirate on the high seas, take spanish gold' vs 'i'ma pray for gold to fall from sky', is the contemplated diff.
mp_en_viaje: iirc people were looking for some more themes
mp_en_viaje: stjohn_piano_2, why not make a mp-wp tree patch then ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, and how does the "let's kill the only people who know wtf is going on" make sense ?
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: gpg --list-packets shows that the key ID is C8EFFF13 in the OTP file. The key ID of my public key is 5991 52AC. Is this expected? (the fingerprint shown by deedbot in the earlier line is correct, though).
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> fwiw, we could note the dispute is strictly internal socialist dispute, the ultra-reds "terroristed" the moderate-blue group. << Guy claimed to be a "green" fwiw
asciilifeform: y'know, the 1917 wave, where 'let's kill landlord and divide the lands', it at least obeyed conservation of mass. 'erryone deserves phree palace' is next level of wtf. who is to provide, martians ?
mp_en_viaje: imo each and all forever and always "made sense" only like the latter. from late 1700s french nonsense to 1800 italian lulz, all through the johhny come latelyes in anglo and russoworld.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, which portion of socialism do you say made sense like the former rather than like the latter ?
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, you can't crown yourself king in places that aren't kingdom. the only thing you can crown yourself, or be crowned for that matter, in new zealand is scapegoat. which isn't the sort of crowning anyone who's not actually a biological goat is interested in.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: robber getting run over by train because he thought could hop on, 'makes sense' . terry davis getting run over cuz he thought train was an angel coming to take him to st peter's gate, doesn't rise even to the level, it requires being a terry davis to grasp
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 16:50 asciilifeform realizes that he hasn't the faintest clue re nz, never could even be arsed to see aerial map of it. pictures it as a sort of larger falklands.
mp_en_viaje: today;s socialism continues that tradition, in exactly the same way, through new forms.
mp_en_viaje: exactly what you'd expect of a "partido marxista-leninista-maoista", the theory of the squatting and "criticism of unbridled capitalism"
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i can grasp the 'old world socialism', where http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904728 ; i dun really grasp ~these~, they dun even make surface sense to the uninitated
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: diff shows "Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)" as the only difference.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, lengthy interviews with morons living in social dwellings as if they were people, pretentious if ineptly constructed "studies", discussions of "the potentials and limits of legality -- how to construct the altcoin irl"
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: when i run your command there, I get: "gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID C8EFFF13, gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available"
mp_en_viaje: including printed matter about "real estate justice" in the typical argentine style, the works.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, 100% borderline sleeve priceless cuntlets and their typical cultural and civilisational environs.
mp_en_viaje recently took girls at local argentine-style socialist hq here in romania. if the argentines were totally useless retards, they'd make the place an embassy. but of course they are totally useless retards.
asciilifeform: if you have the key you regged with, it'll go
stjohn_piano_2: well, i'm using the sequences i developed in
stjohn_piano_2: i had some prepared commands, but i'm having some trouble decrypting the otp.
stjohn_piano_2: i have registered my communications public key with deedbot. my master public key (which is nearly 2 years old, timestamped in the Bitcoin blockchain) is http://edgecase.net/articles/public_key_identity_document_stjohn_piano
stjohn_piano_2: i've read a lot of the logs
stjohn_piano_2: thanks asciilifeform for the !!up
asciilifeform: i dun recall whether mp_en_viaje ever said anyffin re how it fell of his list. ( if above theory correct, mp_en_viaje could even nao have himself crowned king there etc )
asciilifeform realizes that he hasn't the faintest clue re nz, never could even be arsed to see aerial map of it. pictures it as a sort of larger falklands.
mp_en_viaje: fwiw, we could note the dispute is strictly internal socialist dispute, the ultra-reds "terroristed" the moderate-blue group.
asciilifeform: iirc the argies also thought 'no one will want falklands' tho.
mp_en_viaje: i imagine the arabs. nfi tbh.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. all it'd take is the deliberate execution of about 5 new zealand govt batausi.
mp_en_viaje: chirstchurch is a smallish town, ironically on the short list of possible mp migration spots lo many years ago.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, christchurch isn't the nz capital. look over at tripoli lulz.
mp_en_viaje: "an athenian woman once asked gorgo, how come spartans are the only greeks who respect women ???"
asciilifeform: somewhat diff. proposition from abandoning christchurch or washington, neh. if abandon capital, they may as well wagner/cyanide
mp_en_viaje: see, it's not "collaborators" that are needed. it's people brave enough to go into room and maybe get shot. for pantsuitism! where the fuck can such be had ? russia couldn't produce anymore for afghanistan than usg could for vietnam.
mp_en_viaje: this guess is also well buttressed by texas, new mexico, arizona and southern california "law enforcement" experience -- all it took for the usg to abandon the southern provinces was for the cartel to frown.
mp_en_viaje: it's my guess that systematically shooting about 15% or so of the first line troops would result in >80% deserion rate.
mp_en_viaje: then ask again, and count again.
mp_en_viaje: count the hands. rape the girl, then break the arms off the 2-3 brave/irrational idiots and bash their heads in with them
mp_en_viaje: do this experiment : walk up to kids gathered on college campus, ask "how man yof you would fight me if i raped this girl ?"
mp_en_viaje: absolutely never. i npoint of fact im not so sure about the 30.
asciilifeform: just like in erry other occupied shithole
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: what makesya think 'irreplaceable' ? there's always collaborators to be had
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
asciilifeform: in usa, 'future of policing' is prolly http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 ; in usg periphery like nz, i expect soon enuff they'll just drop 500kg bomb from air and write down 'today neutralized terrorist compound' etc
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Whereas pretext and "war on pretext" lets the derealization continue over a few body piles.
mp_en_viaje: especially because should someone shoot a few sets of 30 stooges, that'd be strictly speasking the end of pantsuit government in the island. permanently.
BingoBoingo: Right. Skipping the pretext and rolling up with 30 stooges seems an expensive option.
asciilifeform: seems like nz is 'behind the curve' vs usa. here they simply show up an' machinegun yer cardboard house from 2 sides and ~then~ search
asciilifeform: it's merely tip of a stupidity iceberg that goes all the way down to fucking cthulhu at bottom of the sea
mp_en_viaje: not really got the time to look into digital etymology right nao, but pretty fucking stupid.
asciilifeform: there's at least a dozen ambiguous (often, bitwise-identical bitmap on output) variants for ~erry char
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, $ echo "ϰλιρουόμος ϰλιρουομία χλιρουομια" | xxd
asciilifeform wonders wtf the asker was thinking
BingoBoingo: And we appear to have an ethically sourced, wild caught question in the Qntrmments http://qntra.net/2019/05/semiconductor-market-headed-towards-downturn-as-more-intel-data-leak-flaws-emerge/#comment-129460
a111: Logged on 2019-05-15 06:38 mp_en_viaje: bitcoinrabbithole.org/writings/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ imagine that shit, and then http://archive.is/IqhDe#selection-605.1-607.13 (fancy that wonder, i'm the #1 author, with 6 "works" to nic carter's 5.)
asciilifeform: cuz, evidently, uni-sad, cut off a 0xfe or what was the leading char
mp_en_viaje: cut is right through the greek word.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, check this out : line ends up cut, so therefore utf meaning gets fucked.
mp_en_viaje: cognate of ϰλιρουόμος, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say ϰλιρουόμος
mp_en_viaje: what the holy fuck. so 1st line above is exact repost of logline original ; 2nd line is paste of content
mp_en_viaje is reading "old" ie early 19th century romanian matter ; whenever has to look up words, discovers the ONLY example usage available is taken from the very text he's working on, often enough the EXACT context. eg, clironomie is, technically, a romanian word (cognate of ϰλιÏοÏ
ÏμοÏ, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say Ï°Î
asciilifeform: the line after 'wtf' displays a+++
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 08:52 mp_en_viaje is reading "old" ie early 19th century romanian matter ; whenever has to look up words, discovers the ONLY example usage available is taken from the very text he's working on, often enough the EXACT context. eg, clironomie is, technically, a romanian word (cognate of ϰλιÏοÏ
ÏμοÏ, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say Ï°Î
mp_en_viaje: in other ancient lulzies, http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/14/tsa-agents-conduct-full-monty-pat-down-on-henry-kissinger/
diana_coman: hm, poor as in "only one use for such word" ? perhaps that specific work is in fact available online hence the example usage from it?
mp_en_viaje is reading "old" ie early 19th century romanian matter ; whenever has to look up words, discovers the ONLY example usage available is taken from the very text he's working on, often enough the EXACT context. eg, clironomie is, technically, a romanian word (cognate of ϰλιÏοÏ
ÏμοÏ, and not FROM it, because at the time greece did not exist, and most of the elite greeks lived in istanbul and in current romania. we could rigurously say Ï°Î
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in archaeology, apparently possible to enable eccism-with-amd-fx on certain board which route the pins but have retarded bios.
asciilifeform: related lul from last time i was there : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/umd_book_lulz.jpg
a111: Logged on 2019-05-15 16:35 asciilifeform: at one time i tried to find out who. apparently in world of printing (i.e. where 'colour calibrations' etc) it is monopoly, the presses for last decade or so demand adobism
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-15#1913507 << baked into the universities as well. I remember when I was in school they had entire multi-semester courses in the "Graphic Design" track for adobeolade; "Adobe Photoshop Intro", "Adobe Photoshop Advanced" etc..
asciilifeform: iirc adobe also 'market leader' in the 'retouch undesirable people out of photos / put obama in' , aka 'news' , tooling.
BingoBoingo: Right, the ESL marketing victims
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there's prolly a population of 'aspirational' wankers who 'i want same proggy as used to make 'time magazine' 'you, person of the year' pic' etc
asciilifeform: only with adobeolade, apparently, can the mcd 'freedom fried' be painted the just-so shade of yellow.
BingoBoingo: I suspect most of their customers are marketers or the sortof ESL marketing victim who imagines he has to pay Adobe to be "creative" despite anti-producing
asciilifeform: like number of other dead things, it's zombiein' along, nobody put stake in its heart just yet
asciilifeform: at one time i tried to find out who. apparently in world of printing (i.e. where 'colour calibrations' etc) it is monopoly, the presses for last decade or so demand adobism
a111: Logged on 2016-12-05 16:47 asciilifeform: in other lulz, very far away, 'Autodesk will stop the sale of perpetual licences of all its software on January 31st, 2017. The purchase of new licences by both new and existing customers will only be available by subscription after that date. ... Why is Autodesk transitioning to subscription licences? Subscription licences offer customers a lower entry price, greater choice of tools and the ability to pay-as-you-go. With its shift a
asciilifeform: ^ lulzily, for coupla yrs nao, they dun even ~sell~ the proggies, but moved to 'subscription' chumpatron
asciilifeform: in other noose, loox like ben_vulpes fixed his logbot (e.g. http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform worx ) . ty ben_vulpes .
mp_en_viaje: and then there's inept bullshit from redditswikisfacebooks etc, 0 effort nonsense of the most superficial sort possible. and so the fuck on.
mp_en_viaje: bitcoinrabbithole.org/writings/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ imagine that shit, and then http://archive.is/IqhDe#selection-605.1-607.13 (fancy that wonder, i'm the #1 author, with 6 "works" to nic carter's 5.)
mp_en_viaje: how does one end up with 9757647 loglines in half a month ? like fuckingthis, 99% of the web is pure vomit.
mp_en_viaje: this is potentially interesting ; goes to check... first matching line in the log is
mp_en_viaje: so, /me notices referrals from something called 7ooo.ru/forums to ye olde http://trilema.com/2015/on-how-the-factored-4096-rsa-keys-story-was-handled-and-what-it-means-to-you/
asciilifeform: ( last i looked, coupla month ago, their flagship product was a 35nsec nonvolatile ram, 256mbit , guaranteed for ~infinite write cycles )
asciilifeform: ^ in related noose, reportedly 'everspin', the 'magnetic ram' people , is tanking. which on one hand is sad, 'eeprom that dun wear out' is imho neat and moar or less required for sane computer . but on other hand, perhaps usg.patentholder co. gotta die for the thing to become economically viable
asciilifeform: (just like the 'g-series' in 'apu1' etc)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thing absolutely is bootable clean. is from prior to the madness.
mp_en_viaje doesn't have so much time to fuck with this right now, but i wanted to get the above out early.
asciilifeform: ( in turn, this was the last combo made where could boot 'blobless' 'coreboot' (aka 'linuxbios') etc )
asciilifeform: there's the famous 'KFN4-D16' asus, afaik the very last to support the very last amd-sans-fritzchip. but that was 'opteron' , rather than 'fx' (and quite rare.)
mp_en_viaje: but right off i dun recall. i think there may be an assus.
mp_en_viaje: this one is a mega-video board. has TWO agp slots and THREE of the mini-power feeder things.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any idea if these people made a multi-socket board ?
mp_en_viaje: also a buncha assus boards also support it. but i don't want to have all the boards from same manuf.
asciilifeform: neato -- i.e. there's a 'switch on ecc' in bios ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, confirmed to work. the board in question (GA-970A-D3 rev 2.0) supports unbuffered ecc trivially, and everything else with some bios tweaking. this is contrary to the manual, but factual nevertheless.
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/05/%d0%ba%d0%b0%d0%bb%d0%b5%d0%bc%d0%b5%d0%b3%d0%b4%d0%b0%d0%bdo%d1%86%d0%be%d1%80%d0%b2%d0%b8%d0%b4/ << The Whet -- o
asciilifeform: supports, imho, mp_en_viaje's thesis where 'tallest wall is in head'
asciilifeform: nly 1 company~. others -- not walked.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 20:00 mp_en_viaje: future-as-a-scam, what. which is why they're orcs in the first place -- they buy this sort of shit.
asciilifeform: briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913412 : i find it interesting that the 'vhs' cultural programming is apparently needed, to lubricate the chumpatron. in e.g. 1950s, it was considerably easier to walk out of sovok than '60-70s ( e.g. unguarded border with iran, buncha places ) and for instance in '56 a company of tank men traded their tanks to the hungarians for a map to 'which way is austria', and walked. but ~o
a111: Logged on 2014-02-15 20:33 asciilifeform: betcha if you plucked the quasi-mythical Pill Against RSA from its Indiana Jones subterranean vault, perhaps six people alive would understand what they are looking at were it shown to them.
asciilifeform: only worth to the people to whom worth.
asciilifeform: not much in the way of naked docs is worth 'immediately' anything ( as mp_en_viaje often pointed out ), 'no scripts are new'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: ( afaik the 'fx' desktop mobos -- did not )
mp_en_viaje: so then, can't say "oh, defective, ddr3". the hole's fine -- if you don't want shit ram don't buy shit ram.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:08 asciilifeform: i have 5 samples of 'ivory' (incl. the 1 installed in working machine) , still not enuff to throw around without thinking
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:58 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if a piece of hardware doesn't work in the manner it's expected to, the common word used to describe the situation is "defective". there's no dispute here : nobody has to buy hardware that works in a way that they do not condone. it is not the ddr slot's fault that such hardware can be had, is it.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913409 << meant, is ~design~ defect, rather than ~manufacture~ (i.e. you can't get a nonhammerable ddr4 stick by buying 100 samples and filtering)
diana_coman: oh boy, this I didn't know but I can't say I'm surprised; because yes, there is no limit to it either.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the most eminent example of this was obese woman who "was doing it for the kids" : ate 5-6-7 servings of shawarma / day "because kid can't eat it has to have her chew it for them". LITERAL "REASON".
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:07 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913285 << heathen exchange rate moved significantly since auction happened, when the auction finished it was pretty close to heathen rate
diana_coman: I think the "for the kids" is the usual "parent" cop-out i.e. everything they do is all of a sudden "for the kids" don't you know; the emigration is just one thing, not specific
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, quite. the chicklet in question's ~your parents. not exactly, but as a cultural item.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:00 diana_coman: eh, they will live among emigrated friends of same type, basically re-making the local village, what
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913319 << yes, first generation. then the kids grow up, and etc. we know how it goes, of course, having been watching it from the other end for lo these many centuries.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 20:00 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913300 << fwis, well off vhs emigration is almost completely powered on hallucinations about "the kids".
amberglint: asciilifeform: it was great to talk to you, I'm going back to the logs until next time
mp_en_viaje: future-as-a-scam, what. which is why they're orcs in the first place -- they buy this sort of shit.