asciilifeform: there was 0 in orig thrd re genuine vs scam, read entirely as 'is yer 'job' in fact paying, or do you pay to go to it'
mp_en_viaje: i was explaining to the inquiring mind how to price a supposed job : take an actual house, see what it costs, see how it figures against the supposed job. the process will illuminate whether it's a real job or a scam job.
mp_en_viaje: again from the top :
asciilifeform: possibly i dun follow the analogy. not pretending, swear.
mp_en_viaje: what expand ? the expansion's afuckingbove.
mp_en_viaje: now stop squirming about. there's no squirming about. you made a claim, which is false.
asciilifeform: funnily enuff iirc we had thread re literally whether one could ride 100 toy chopper
mp_en_viaje: then everyone : "so take it apart, reproduce the pieces on larger scale" ; alf : "oh noex, my toy choper can't be opened, it's magical"
mp_en_viaje: then everyone else : "so get a bunch of choppers, if one lifts a little a lot will lift a lot" alf : "oh noes, only can exist one, my toy chopper is magical"
mp_en_viaje: look at it : " incidentally fwiw the shack asciilifeform lives in , would cost ~2y of his pay to buy. but i ~dun want~ to buy it" === "my toy chopper DOES put MUCH MORE thrust than it weighs, but what of it, i can't ride it"
mp_en_viaje: this sort of idiocy has been the stock in trade of your non-technical contribution for the past ... soon to be a decade, holy shit!
asciilifeform: i read orig thrd as 'yer gulag dun even cover cost of barrack, they make you pay for barrack' but difficult to argue with 'scam house, scam job, and breathe scam air also', all of it is entirely tru
mp_en_viaje: and you did not say "this is true of my toy chopper also". you said ~exactly the opposite~ : "my toy chopper DOES put MUCH MORE thrust than it weighs, but what of it, i can't ride it".
mp_en_viaje: http://trilema.com/2013/the-wonder-of-inflation/#selection-77.0-77.49 << this being the general statement.
mp_en_viaje: to arrive at exposing the "oh, this also job, this also salary" fraud.
mp_en_viaje: yes.but cost ~of one of the actual houses~. NOT ~of such a hole as plebes might inhabit~
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 22:24 asciilifeform: incidentally fwiw the shack asciilifeform lives in , would cost ~2y of his pay to buy. but i ~dun want~ to buy it, why would i want to buy a decaying cardboard-an'-siding thing.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914454 << talking to you is often enough an exercise in "let's see what this intelligent but illiterate kid deliberately failed to notice in the source material / replaced with constructed story from head". house there linked built ~century ago, brick. specificaly because is not a matter of "what'd it take to buy rabbit-dwelling shoebox in which subjective rabbit lives". it's a matter of what i
mod6: trinque: We'll get there.
mod6: Anyway, I'm gonna grab some food here. I'll work on a write up this weekend among other things. o7
mod6: Otherwise, the 'rotor.sh' and 'rotor_bitcoin_only.sh' are not actually utilized. So we could cut those loose too, if desired.
mod6: I hope I'm not doing anything redundant really. The Makefiles itself take care of the compilation of Boost/BDB/OpenSSL. The one thing that I still need from the rotor.tar.gz is 'openssl-004-musl-termios.patch'
mod6: I've taken notes, I'll write up something on my blog as soon as I can. Just wanted to share the progress here. Obv. bunch more testing, etc.
asciilifeform: at least seems to be the case for ada projs.
asciilifeform: i may be thick, but it is not evident from the patch
mod6: asciilifeform: I changed all of the CC, CXX, LD to point at all of the binaries located in the tarball I extracted from the build of Ave1's GNAT, like this one: /opt/20180924/x86_64-linux-musl-native/bin/gcc
asciilifeform: mod6: i see what you did, but under which gcc got the eggog ??
mod6: That seemed to resolve the problem. Let me do a wotpaste of the vpatch so you can see what I've done.
mod6: So I ended up adding '--disable-shared' to the BDB Makefile portion.
mod6: I ran into some trouble with BDB along the way because of a relocation record. '.rodata.values.2406'
asciilifeform: cuntoo, per my current understanding, obsoletes 'rotor' entirely (by doing same thing to ~entire system~ right off the bat)
asciilifeform: mod6: this part makes sense. but i'm curious re the apparently redundant piece
mod6: I used diana_coman's vtron build with the same. Pressed the (yet unverified by lord keccak vpatch bundle that I created in January) keccak tree, made the changes in the makefiles, etc. Have a vpatch.
asciilifeform: mod6: plox to detail ( e.g. if on musltronic cuntoo, why needs 'rotor' system ? it existed only to build musltronic gcc 1st, and ~then~ trb, on heathen envirs , recall )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 15:52 asciilifeform: paulgraham -- before turning into the infamous huckster -- had a piece where 'which biznis should you get into if you LUVV gardening?' '...recovering data from damaged hard disks!'
asciilifeform: ( i've met 'fresh off the boat' 'was physicist, now cabbie' emigres, who suffered from this delusion. but ~these~ were not emigres... )
asciilifeform: verily it sounds as nutty as it was, but they were hoping to, believe or not, 'live off writing books'. in usa, no less.
asciilifeform: trinque: i once attended a gathering of 'writers'. one unusually introspective type uttered phrase 'do you all understand that we're competing for each other's beer money'
trinque: whaack: more important than where you haul your ass is what you're going to do when you get there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914441 << this is good q imho. the only reason i can think of for 'throw dice on flat table', is to avoid 'came to rest sharp edge up', which can introduce 'must either throw again, or pick between numbers by hand ' etc
asciilifeform: i imagine all of the holes look quite similar from mp_en_viaje's olympus tho -- sorta like stones on the ground, mountains to ant, all look ~same from man's height
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914449 << i know a whole platoon of folx , in meatspace, in deeper holes ( e.g. mortgageisms, alimonies, childrenz, 'student loans', drink. ) but there is ~always~ somewhere a deeper hole to be found than whichever .
asciilifeform: incidentally fwiw the shack asciilifeform lives in , would cost ~2y of his pay to buy. but i ~dun want~ to buy it, why would i want to buy a decaying cardboard-an'-siding thing.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 21:04 mp_en_viaje: you then put the 898`00 into http://www.interest.com/mortgage/calculators/mortgage-calculator/ to find out that over 10 years fixed 5% interest rate you have to pay 9,524.68 monthly (funny how they quote the rates in monthly and the salaries in yeary, huh), which comes to 114296.16, which is 14701.16 a year MORE than what the Representative of the Director General to the United Nations, who provides leadership and professional d
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914445 << pretty lulzy detail in there : >> 'a tax-free annual net base salary' . wonder how this worx.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: guess what else they taught in ameri-hs (e.g. 'if you put in 100 $ , yr later can have 105' , and other meanwhile-retracted 'communism by 1980' promiseisms )
mp_en_viaje: therefore such a person can't afford to live in queens.
mp_en_viaje: irection to the staff and operations blablabla makes.
mp_en_viaje: you then put the 898`00 into http://www.interest.com/mortgage/calculators/mortgage-calculator/ to find out that over 10 years fixed 5% interest rate you have to pay 9,524.68 monthly (funny how they quote the rates in monthly and the salaries in yeary, huh), which comes to 114296.16, which is 14701.16 a year MORE than what the Representative of the Director General to the United Nations, who provides leadership and professional d
mp_en_viaje: whaack: alright ty. I will drop the nyc linkedin plan then << nyc is a terrible place to stay in any case. if you're not making bank on wallstreet, you have no excuse to be there ; and even then, it's an excuse. if you're gonna linkedin, do a basic "what job pays - what single family ~house~ costs to buy in location.". if job doesn't pay over what loan would cost you, it is not a job, whatever they call it.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 17:22 asciilifeform: 'Roll the five dice ten times on a flat, even surface, writing down...'
BingoBoingo: Ah. Anyways, I know a good hostel, which in Uruguay still means you'll be in a foreign language space most of the time.
BingoBoingo: The surf part of Uruguay is out east
BingoBoingo: whaack: I'd recommend if you come to Uruguay you don't spend the whole year test driving the country without a solid job offer when there's other parts of LATAM to explore.
asciilifeform: whaack: if yer making piles and piles o'dough in reich, and ~very~ disciplined, it can theoretically be a thing to do, save it up an' buy a block of flats in BingoBoingostan or similar. but i hesitate to recommend to anyone to sit in reich a single day longer than can be helped
whaack: alright ty. I will drop the nyc linkedin plan then, and consider ditching my obligations in order to leave even sooner. related to cs I'm chewing through SICP, just published http://ztkfg.com/2019/05/sicp-21-solutions-introduction-to-data-abstraction/ and should be done with 2.2 exercises shortly. If i'm off course with my priorities on this front plz let me know
whaack: I would greatly appreciate the advice of the republic in these matters. I'm 25 and my main priorities are to fix my ESLness through learning Spanish and to have time to get myself an _actual_ cs education.
whaack: But I’m not quite sure what I should do with my life. I am considering one of the following: staying in NYC and getting a “linkedin” job for 1-2 years, creating a base in some cheap rural surf part of CR, or moving to a Spanish speaking city.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-13 18:34 BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well, if you want beaches November to Early December is the time. Late January on into the summer heat makes the cyanobacteria bloom. Late December to Mid January is the tourist high season.
asciilifeform: 'Roll the five dice ten times on a flat, even surface, writing down...'
asciilifeform: http://edgecase.net/articles/ << lotsa classic eng. lit of various vintages, transcribed, in there.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 13:14 stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913902 << if anyone is interested, i also worked through verifying the deed: http://edgecase.net/articles/verifying_a_signed_deed_of_the_gpg_1410_source_code
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 13:06 stjohn_piano_2: this led to: multi-author, every article is signed (optionally by the author as well), articles are in a linear order (hence "103"), unalterability means that additional authors can trust that the owner can't sabotage their work / code.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914364 << this is quite similar to the direct ancestor of v , jurov's trb mailing list system .
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 13:05 stjohn_piano_2: perhaps it's worth mentioning that, at every point when building edgecase, i asked myself "what should a reputable publishing system in the age of cryptography look like?".
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914363 << if you haven't already read, you may be interested in ben_vulpes' classic likbez on v
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/another-cisco-road-to-root-found-in-the-wild-while-anti-huawei-executive-order-published-in-us/ << Qntra -- Another Cisco Road To Root Found In The Wild While Anti-Huawei Executive Order Published In US
diana_coman: moreover, while it is doable (like ~anything else really), it's hard to really see the reason to *choose* to do it when one hasn't yet been sucked into it ; and stjohn_piano_2 strikes me as trying to NOT get sucked into it.
asciilifeform: fwiw stjohn_piano_2 , unlike many prev. noobs, seems to have the virtue of patience.
diana_coman: sure; onth look at the rather long-list of people that seemed to manage to do it for a while but only for a while.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: for one thing you already have skills he doesn't yet seem to have and for the other thing you constantly say it yourself that at times there is no juice left for ffa /similar.
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: are you actually tied to the UK? and anyway, what sort of job/where are you looking for one?
diana_coman: I guess part of his problem is being in the UK+cambridge area really - prices&salaries are so inflated that he probably needs a salt-mine-irl place just to make ends meat and that makes it then very hard to have any time/brain left to actually do the meaningful learning he still has to do
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 13:11 stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913871 << have been pondering this question, and particularly the additional question "what answer would i like to be able to give in future?".
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 12:54 stjohn_piano_2: example: 1) numbered image files containing schematics 2) text files containing transcribed text 3) notes files containing the text on the schematics, with a reference to the corresponding image file.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 13:20 stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914162 << i did not look at them in detail. i filed them under "investigate further when i buy one".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914373 << i thought it was obv from the www, but must note that fg was sold out year+ ago . at some point we'll make the third gen. board , but not any time soon. danielpbarron however has a dealership and iirc still has a few in stock.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 12:58 stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913861 << i was not contemplating doing the bulk of the typing myself. my preferred approach would be to find a russian speaker, get them to make a GPG key, do the bulk work, and send it to me for correction.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914356 << plz don't bother unless you have one lined up already; i will prolly do it with own hands sooner
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: where in the UK are you?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 12:29 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914338 -> how/why is that? at any rate, arond here it's more important that you *do* answer (i.e. don't just let stuff get lost) rather than "real-time"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 20:17 diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: re programming otherwise, there's eulora with a shit-ton of interesting stuff to do but there like ~anywhere, it's always about digging deeper rather than looking wider as it were
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914167 << i have no doubt that there are interesting problems in eulora, else you and mircea popescu would not spend so much time on it. unfortunately, i have to prioritise looking for paid work / finding a job.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 20:12 diana_coman: btw re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914012 -> I'd have thought you'd go straight for asciilifeform's TRNG schematics then, at the very least?
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914162 << i did not look at them in detail. i filed them under "investigate further when i buy one".
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913902 << if anyone is interested, i also worked through verifying the deed: http://edgecase.net/articles/verifying_a_signed_deed_of_the_gpg_1410_source_code
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913871 << have been pondering this question, and particularly the additional question "what answer would i like to be able to give in future?".
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:48 mp_en_viaje: the other prong is that you don't actually have anything you can compete in. slave labour or no slave labour, she does it in five hours and you don't.
stjohn_piano_2: i contemplated the possibility of 20-50 authors on edgecase. not people here now, who already have their own blogs, workers, etc, but new people, who perhaps don't want to run an entire blog, but would like to occasionally sign and publish their work.
stjohn_piano_2: this led to: multi-author, every article is signed (optionally by the author as well), articles are in a linear order (hence "103"), unalterability means that additional authors can trust that the owner can't sabotage their work / code.
stjohn_piano_2: perhaps it's worth mentioning that, at every point when building edgecase, i asked myself "what should a reputable publishing system in the age of cryptography look like?".
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:48 mp_en_viaje: rom all the pomp of "datafeed article 103," etc. it just clunks up your thought process. i know you don' tthink so, familiarity breeds a feeling of safety etc. but it's absolutely never worth it to have more shit than you need.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:48 asciilifeform: i dare say this is not the 1st line of work i'd picture a fella with broken hands going into..
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913861 << i was not contemplating doing the bulk of the typing myself. my preferred approach would be to find a russian speaker, get them to make a GPG key, do the bulk work, and send it to me for correction.
stjohn_piano_2: example: 1) numbered image files containing schematics 2) text files containing transcribed text 3) notes files containing the text on the schematics, with a reference to the corresponding image file.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: what would the desired result look like?
a111: Logged on 2019-05-17 12:04 stjohn_piano_2: turns out that for me fast real-time chat is still rather unaffordable at present. going forward, my replies will have significant latency.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-17#1914338 -> how/why is that? at any rate, arond here it's more important that you *do* answer (i.e. don't just let stuff get lost) rather than "real-time"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:34 mp_en_viaje: all sorts of unexpected things improve productivity, and the thing with improved productivity is that it's a very hard exponential -- cutting yet another 1% dead weight produces massive gains because it lowers effort under pleasure threshold.
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913779 << this should have been "decentralisation vs parsimony". the article in question is http://trilema.com/2015/that-scary-thing/
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913740 << an error, which i will have to go and fix. checkpoint 8 has been held back from "published" status, because there is a little bitcoin in the address derived from the checkpoint.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:11 stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: gpg --list-packets shows that the key ID is C8EFFF13 in the OTP file. The key ID of my public key is 5991 52AC. Is this expected? (the fingerprint shown by deedbot in the earlier line is correct, though).
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1913698 << i also completely forgot that GPG encrypts to a subkey, not to the primary, so of course the key ID would be different.
stjohn_piano_2: turns out that for me fast real-time chat is still rather unaffordable at present. going forward, my replies will have significant latency.
asciilifeform: ( where is the limit of the 'brilliant biz plan', i have nfi, but they haven't even scratched surface yet.. )
asciilifeform: for so long as it's < the typical plane ticket, tourists will prolly still pony up
mp_en_viaje: 10 bux likely won't last, either.
asciilifeform: in other ~recent lulz, 'Mar 9, 2019 - US citizens travelling to Europe will need to obtain a visa from 2021, the European Union (EU) has said.'
asciilifeform: 'doctor, you gave me these pills but nothing happens' 'didja take'em?' 'of course took, they're right here in my pocket'
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 18:22 asciilifeform: Key ID - 0x889ACC4FC8EFFF13 is defo not any of his subs ~or~ the primary. trinque ^ prolly worth a look
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 20:10 stjohn_piano_2: by mistake, i was attempting to decrypt the OTP sent to asciilifeform
asciilifeform: it dun happen in the gulag proper
mp_en_viaje: well, this was more re producing the webolade.
asciilifeform: iirc we had coupla thrds re whether they even still ~have~ a 'core of productive' somewhere.
mp_en_viaje: gotta distinguish the tiny core of productive employees from the large skirtings of african employees.
mp_en_viaje: ~nobody available that can write the sort of shit they want, is willing to do it, and will even talk to them. so... reuse, recycle, reduce.
asciilifeform: ( dunno re cia, was never yet hungry enuff to try ~there~ )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 16:38 mp_en_viaje: it's my guess that systematically shooting about 15% or so of the first line troops would result in >80% deserion rate.
asciilifeform: upstack : asciilifeform at one time learned that nsa has an unofficial exemption from 'discrimination laws', they dun hire ru folx -- but china a+++ a-ok
mp_en_viaje: in fact, the codebase similarity is staggering.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: entertainingly, some yrs ago i had to write a 'decompiler' for these, to pull out ie 'sploits etc
mp_en_viaje: then lulz like https://radar.cedexis.com/1556296336/radar.html?customer-id=11326 and https://i2-zuvofetrjalsubyssxcwblzgemxbus.init.cedexis-radar.net/i2/1/11326/j1/20/115/1558044281/0/0/providers.json?imagesok=1&n=0&p=1&r=0&t=1
asciilifeform: 'var Fingerprinting={sendFingerprint:function(b,d,e){var a=Fingerprinting.getFingerprintData(),c=new XMLHttpRequest;a["x-f-uc"]=e;a.csrf_token=d;c.open("POST",b);c.setRequestHeader("Content-type","application/json");c.send(JSON.stringify(a))},collectInitialFingerprint:function(b,d,e,a){setTimeout(function(){Fingerprinting.sendFingerprint(b,d,e)},a)}...' lol
asciilifeform: of course generated. i doubt that the collective stable of monkeys have typed in half MB all together in 10y
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: half MB is even 'slim' by modern standards, for these.
asciilifeform: otoh the other kind, where you sit for 6mo and then 'we have a great honour for you...' trickier
asciilifeform: Mocky: the ones where already gotta be a eunuch right off the door, pretty easy to avoid
asciilifeform: Mocky: i left a slave galley at one time when they presented me with a fully-filled set of forms and 'we shall do you great honour, mr. d, already paid for, nao please sign here to take holy orders'
Mocky: I had one recruiter 'if you get hired, they will sponsor your clearance' 'no thx' 'what??!??'
asciilifeform: naturally, like any other hypertrophied organ
asciilifeform: the various lulzministries grow like mushrooms, there is no decree that they may not overlap, quite opposite
asciilifeform: and whoknows whateelse, asciilifeform doesn't get reports on his desk re how many there are atm
asciilifeform: and these
mp_en_viaje: actually, for a decade or so it has a real nsa and the traditional nsa. on top of ^
asciilifeform: (~that~ was logo of spy satellite ministry, iirc also applied there, but no snail)
asciilifeform: the lulzy part was that snailmail, from ft meade, complete with eagles etc
asciilifeform: if they're dumbenuff, wainot
nicoleci: asciilifeform, 'we regret to inform you' is built into sites like careerbuilder and indeed jobs now. they even write the reject message for hr people
asciilifeform: ( you could spam people and they usually clicked 'ok wainot' )
mp_en_viaje: nicoleci, try the screenshot thing in any case, so you learn how to use it.
asciilifeform: nicoleci: the 'connections' wank was hilarious. e.g. asciilifeform had generals, admirals, etc. as 'connections'
asciilifeform: nsa had the classiest output, they actually sent ~snail mail~ 'we regret to inform you...' full year, like clockwork , erry 8 weeks
asciilifeform: afaik the only ministry that didn't use it, was nsa, they had even shoddier thing in java
asciilifeform: btw there was an actual Official similar www for usg civil service. in, naturally, microshit 'asp', erry other page load was eggog
nicoleci: asciilifeform, lol. you get the special privilege of getting the FULL linkedin approved names of whose viewed your profile instead of just the job titles, plus all the other hr bullshit like being able to post a job add
mp_en_viaje: can play six hours of original doom on the cpu juice one linkedin pageload requires.
mp_en_viaje: js deliverer estimates if the final webdocument whatever is right or not, tries diff approach.
mp_en_viaje: ie, if obfuscator of pathway A results in unloadable page, there's also pathway B.
asciilifeform: nicoleci: lol, 'premium acct' ?! what do ~these~ get, 9000x faster censor ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it;s so bad they're stuck having multiple paths for reliability.
asciilifeform can't speak re the complexity, did not use intensively
mp_en_viaje: ALL the script-side cleverness you can imagine, it;s beyond comprehension. i do nto expect they currently can maintain their codebase.
asciilifeform: rather similar to fatlife, arsebook, etc
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's a pretty standard, as they go, 'indian code'
mp_en_viaje: in fact, possibly the WORST software i've ever seen.
asciilifeform: so possibly framed as this, on the derp end
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there in fact are trojans which post spam to this & other heathen pits as 'updates'
diana_coman: possibly they "cleaned" her account for herself since it can't possibly be that she wrote such a thing there !!
asciilifeform: nicoleci, mp_en_viaje : i have possible piece for this puzzler : asciilifeform's old notes suggest that this particular heathen pit structures text for censors as 'patch' deltas
mp_en_viaje: use alt-f2 in firefox to open up console, then type :screenshot filename.png --fullscreen
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, part and parcel of problem there is fetlife really nosedived past ~coupla years. it's one thing to sift through mountain river for gold ; it's another to sift through garden hose spout.
nicoleci: mp_en_viaje, it shows that people from linkedin viewed my profile and like asciilifeform said, why just delete the company instead of the whole profile
nicoleci: it seems like some linkedin 'developers' read the logs and got butthurt
mp_en_viaje: heh. haven't logged in forever, they might even have.
asciilifeform wonders whether fatlife yet 'replaced' mp_en_viaje with that old fart retired mayor d00d or who was it
mp_en_viaje: anyway, i dunno imperial "platforms" have much utility beyond this derivative comedy value, of making a laughingstock of the empire and it's inept movements.
asciilifeform: the sheer hamfistedness, pretty entertaining imho
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, currently im most amused at the inventing imaginary person with the most obscure of names. somehow oddly this chick didn't exist last year.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i actually used it briefly , many yrs ago, at the time it was just this tool for workers to drop in their cv and auto-spam it to employers etc
a111: Logged on 2016-08-01 00:44 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-01#1511937 << oh, "color revolutions" dun work ? tell you what, we'll steal your country's exports and with the proceeds finance an alt-country we'll pretend is realy your country. ha-ha!
asciilifeform: like erry other heathen 'host' www, 'linkedin' has 'term of service' where 'we can drop yer account if we dun like your face' . but iirc nuffin about 'we will blue-pencil paragraphs'
mp_en_viaje: nah, prolly stays for a while, is deleted again, then "please verify acct", then "here's an imaginary someone else by your name", then etc.
asciilifeform: also wtf re the randomly dropping terrorist paragraph. normally they simply delete whole page
mp_en_viaje: "they know how to work those"
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 19:47 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in same old lulz : a) https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolereneecichocki purged (ineptly, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nicole+renee+cichocki][google] eg still lists it) ; b) spare invented http://www.truthbeautyandgoodness.net/about
mp_en_viaje: hey, maybe if real africans weren't really subhuman, they could be economically useful ?
mp_en_viaje: the question as to WHY " They couldnt even get real Africans for the parts. " is amusingly left unaddressed.
diana_coman: stjohn_piano_2: re programming otherwise, there's eulora with a shit-ton of interesting stuff to do but there like ~anywhere, it's always about digging deeper rather than looking wider as it were
stjohn_piano_2: ^ trinque. hope you see the above about OTP before doing any investigation.
diana_coman: btw re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914012 -> I'd have thought you'd go straight for asciilifeform's TRNG schematics then, at the very least?
diana_coman: heh, as I was reading the log, I was wondering if you were trying there the right OTP or someone else's
stjohn_piano_2: by mistake, i was attempting to decrypt the OTP sent to asciilifeform
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i dunno, they do some rotation whining and displaying thing.
diana_coman: on which I can access the linkedin site I mean; possibly some paywall or whatever, didn't bother to really go around it
mp_en_viaje: (anyway, this is the answer, for the record, as to "but mp... why would you EVEN DO such a silly thing ?!?!" i do such "silly things" because nobody cancelled http://trilema.com/2012/strategic-superiority-a-saga/ ; i know what i wanted to have done last year to humiliate stupidity today.)
diana_coman: at least on the public toilet I can even access it
mp_en_viaje: precisely how one defeats the pantsuit strategy : unconnected examples.
diana_coman: ah, ah, purged refs on it; (linked in site was derping re login bla bla so I didn't get to see the content)
mp_en_viaje: the mechanical similarity to the phuctor example should be illustrative enough. it's one thing for the "sceptical" tard to say whatever bla-bla re the former case ; but the two presented together are particularly strong, because absolutely the only commonality is their unpalatability to the femstate.
diana_coman: o.O they replaced her profile on linked in??
mp_en_viaje: "Nicole's curiosity about life has put her on a path of ever-deepening self-discovery. She believes in gentleness towards oneself, practicing gratitude, always having fun, and that laughter is one of the great keys to well-being."
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in same old lulz : a) https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolereneecichocki purged (ineptly, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nicole+renee+cichocki][google] eg still lists it) ; b) spare invented http://www.truthbeautyandgoodness.net/about
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform, mp_en_viaje: thanks again for the patient help.
stjohn_piano_2: i'm going to get off the screen for today.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 19:12 stjohn_piano_2: people reeeeally try though. "machine learning" (rather than "statistical sampler with paremeter adjustment").
stjohn_piano_2: to quote myself "To attack a hidden-key address, an adversary would need to discover weaknesses in: ECDSA, SHA256, RIPEMD-160. These weaknesses would also have to be compatible. To attack a known-key address, an adversary would only need to discover a weakness in ECDSA."
mp_en_viaje: hard to beat the loving slave in most personal applications.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 19:06 stjohn_piano_2: although, i am surprised. i had thought "driver" was one category of subordinate where you could trust that the subordinate would do the work carefully, for his own sake.
stjohn_piano_2: section is called "Does the hash in a Bitcoin address provide any protection?" (if you search the page for that string, you'll get to it)
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: there's a potential down-side tho, of this method -- addr that has never transacted is shielded by the hash (i.e. the pubkey is not available to third party yet) as well as the ecc mechanism; one that has transacted , is only shielded by the latter
stjohn_piano_2: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-16#1914109 << yes. i didn't even trust the implementation of the hash function though. i started out with the assumption "it's all terrible" and the conclusion was "the only true test is to get a transaction from this address into the blockchain".
asciilifeform: 'As to the agent... his interests are very much not aligned with theirs. He wants to take as much for himself -- as well is his right, and as exactly is proper. They should have nothing, and he should have it all.' etc
stjohn_piano_2: people reeeeally try though. "machine learning" (rather than "statistical sampler with paremeter adjustment").
asciilifeform: observe, on fg www, the series of 'and now x tested' links. the buyers, did not simply 'believe' that unit worx, they took the time to verify.
asciilifeform: point being, even if you have 100 pairs of hands, for the 1 that is actually attached to your shoulders there is not really a substitute.
asciilifeform: sultan abdul hamid ii of course had guards. but also could, is said, hit a thimble from 50 metres with nagant, with either hand
stjohn_piano_2: although, i am surprised. i had thought "driver" was one category of subordinate where you could trust that the subordinate would do the work carefully, for his own sake.
asciilifeform: ( 'important' was... his driver. who was there simply in case he gets tired. )
asciilifeform: there is famous joke from the time, where some official gets a ride in his car, and thinks 'who is that fella, who is so high and mighty that brezhnev himself is his driver !!'
asciilifeform: the risk from using one built by another pair of hands, pretty much always makes it seem a losing proposition to purchase a walletron of any kind whatsoever. hence why the market for'em is fulla rubbish, built for chumps.
asciilifeform: the 20-30 serious btc people that apparently exist, already each constructed for himself an acceptable walletron, is my understanding.
stjohn_piano_2: the question in my mind is: does this strategy lose out to write-bitcoin-scripts-in-scripting-language to run offline on whatever cheap hardware china makes?
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: i'll be the very last to say 'how to monetize'. the subj is re the simple matter of with what to construct machine so that you can even ~have~ money, should you come up with from where to get.
stjohn_piano_2: question becomes: spend lots of time becoming expert in old tech, run homebrew hardware for running a wallet, but then: how to monetise? the expenditure in time alone is enormous.
stjohn_piano_2: i'm in the uk, for my sins.
stjohn_piano_2: well, when (roughly) can ~all the 70s, 80s stuff be expected to be dead, purely from entropy.
asciilifeform: around 10y ago the expectation became 'will be thrown out in 2-3y' and manufactured accordingly.
stjohn_piano_2: i contemplated a future (my middle age?) in which all of the old stuff no longer works.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform, for instance, has small stockpile of soviet-made cpu. not enuff for 'let's make wallet product', and certainly there aint enuff demand to even consider such thing, but for personal use.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: yes. the approach, for now, is fine.
asciilifeform: generally speaking, ideal irons for safety-critical system are from 'pre-internet age', i.e. the kind you could write working emulator for in a weekend or 2
stjohn_piano_2: having spent significant time in their guts
asciilifeform: i'd still rather use old 486 etc.
asciilifeform: certainly terrible idea, if yer using e.g. the onboard rng.
stjohn_piano_2: asciilifeform: all this is true. is it still a bad idea if you run the raspi offline forever?
asciilifeform: ( popularly said 'it is cheap at least', but even this is disinfo, there are similar chinese boards costing half or less )
asciilifeform: stjohn_piano_2: ftr 1 of the worst possible choices of iron for anyffin safety-critical
asciilifeform: the ultimate mindfuck, is when you find that you already know 100% of'em, by name..
asciilifeform: scratch surface of $subj, and find that the # of 'serious' folx is 100-1000x smaller than you could have dreamed.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-16 17:18 mp_en_viaje: http://edgecase.net/articles/conversation_programmer_licences << what's the weird here ? a) wrt to a buncha people calling themselves x piano ; b) wrt to hand-publishing what's eminently a chatlog, as such ? why not use a logger and only publish selected snippets that need notes and such ?
asciilifeform: upstack, '...those who purchase programming time now have a reason to care about programmer quality much more than they used to... obviously this will take a while. it'll happen first wherever software systems are interfacing with bitcoin. or are under pressure from ransomware. wherever it hurts the most.'