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ben_vulpes: how are you going to lose the crew and not the plane, praytell
ben_vulpes blinks
ben_vulpes: yes, you can do it, and yes the car will survive. how many hours did you take off of its life, however?
ben_vulpes: exceeding stress limits is akin to holding the tach in the red for an extended period of time.
ben_vulpes: now if the envelope is retardedly small, that's a different problem.
ben_vulpes: exceeding the envelope is bad.
ben_vulpes: this is actually a thing with planes, pete_dushenski.
ben_vulpes: the question to ask is "can oncologists beat a coin toss?"
ben_vulpes: no, but random selection.
ben_vulpes: which should be entirely unsurprising, as most doctors i've met can't do odds for poker in their heads much less the odds for human ailments.
ben_vulpes: no better than random selection, really.
ben_vulpes: "to improve the quality of care!" mno. to increase the cost of care.
ben_vulpes: re: "ed", a nurse was over last night, lamenting the shift from "emergency room, you know, a big room with sheets, "emergency department" with individually nicely fitted out, warm rooms with room service that someone other than $invalid is paying for"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: necessary for scansion
ben_vulpes: the internet is for moms
ben_vulpes: moms moms moms
ben_vulpes: the internet is for moms
ben_vulpes: the internet is for moms
ben_vulpes: > jondus
ben_vulpes: "ah, we'll fix it tomorrow."
ben_vulpes: it's not scavenger culture, it's webdev culture.
ben_vulpes imagines what it must be like to go from software to safety-critical hardware
ben_vulpes cannot
ben_vulpes: no lizard hitler in that interpretation, punkman
ben_vulpes: hyuuu
ben_vulpes: heh greed
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu << lol it tab completes
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla is pope, mircea_popescu is god, cult transformation is complete
ben_vulpes is appropriately shamefaced
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: ah, i thought you meant the jpegs were some simple transform from ccd to jpeg
ben_vulpes: when you say 'latter' do you mean the raw or the jpeg produced by the camera?
ben_vulpes: i thought bitwise dumps went out forever ago.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you not use paredit?
ben_vulpes: subject of newtardation, is smartparens vile or am i doing it wrong?
ben_vulpes: fed and bored, for one.
ben_vulpes: there is a local in the corner selling finely sculpted figurines of knuth that appear to be made of poop
ben_vulpes has wandered into a 'temple', most of the gems are missing and the walls are covered in graffiti
ben_vulpes: some gevent bullcrap iirc
ben_vulpes: i found a "webserver" recently whose instantiation blocked the REPL.
ben_vulpes is seeing the rot in webtech takeover of cl
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i, like the fool i am, retain hope of putting lispy gui crud places, and so would rather burn the time hacking through mcclim than running the symbolics vms.
ben_vulpes: you call it masturbation, i call it a dalliance with what might have been.
ben_vulpes: climacs
ben_vulpes: climacs
ben_vulpes: punkman: climacs sort of works. beirc is one of those 'look i wrote a thing in clim and oop now i'm working for someone else and have no time to maintain it'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not yet, not likely soon.
ben_vulpes: on the lisp ui thread, a mcclim contributor of yore has started work on clim3, spec and impl: climatis: https://github.com/robert-strandh/CLIMatis
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski clever turn with "black organics"
ben_vulpes waves to vexual
ben_vulpes: what was mr brown engaged in that required a nailfun deployment?
ben_vulpes wonders if this is another of those b64-in-gpg-message-things
ben_vulpes: ;;isup gmane.org
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2015#1325817 << "disruption" is mean and not allowed in shartuplandia any longer.
ben_vulpes: which iirc predates bitcoin
ben_vulpes: not to be confused with the "hubculture" "ven"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how do you figure?
ben_vulpes looks around for a box with 4gb of ram
ben_vulpes: a search engine of our own would be nice.
ben_vulpes would be happy to see it burn
ben_vulpes: world*
ben_vulpes did not make this would
ben_vulpes: to which the "industry standard solution" is to render relevant bits of the site down into static html.
ben_vulpes: now in more tales from the trenches, people buy one of these jsapps and the "oh no my seo"
ben_vulpes: never said it couldn't!
ben_vulpes: btcalpha too, if i recall correctly.
ben_vulpes: doesn't *have* to.
ben_vulpes: spittoon.
ben_vulpes: if not completely static, at the very least no js.
ben_vulpes: it's an exceptionally useful demarcation. "web tech", js and rounded corners for the bezzletron, static html for tmsr~.
ben_vulpes: works shmerkz
ben_vulpes: the engineering constraint is not "webshites that mircea_popescu can use" but "velocity at which bezzlebuxx are burned"
ben_vulpes: that thing where there are no "web pages" on the thing, just a dynamically generated xml tree that the browser renders and rerenders in response to user input.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: aha
ben_vulpes: and it's not just "misc" constraints, it's MUST LOOK GOOD AT ALL PROPORTIONS WHILE CLIENT RESIZES BROWSER WINDOW
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if one must swim in js soup, and spin 'food' from refined corn so to speak, there are worse protective suits than the jsapp.
ben_vulpes: i...did not know that.
ben_vulpes: leakin again
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: bezzle tools for bezzle plays.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "thirdy"?
ben_vulpes: "not deploying giant militaries to bomb targets and wave banners, or propping up regimes and helping them "suppress insurgencies," but working on the long-term realities of helping locals build a government that they're invested in" << not that anyone is capable of doing this any ore
ben_vulpes is still planning to scrape metals off the seafloor
ben_vulpes: death of new manufacture.
ben_vulpes: sad perspective, mircea_popescu.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell naphex http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=14-11-2015#1323389 << yo where does xotika's design land in the context of this conversation?
ben_vulpes: except that mandating use of specific materials seems to specifically exclude it from being called piece work.
ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform share the lyrics for that?
ben_vulpes: may he go from risk to risk
ben_vulpes: faaast asleep, and yours?
ben_vulpes: hola pete_dushenski
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's "street" for programmers
ben_vulpes: the web is always there
ben_vulpes: "phone ringing off hook"
ben_vulpes: "gonna starve"
ben_vulpes: gotta love how quickly this guy goes from
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 your auto reconnect a) doesn't auth b) leaks your ip
ben_vulpes: whatever, pennies for paupers and britni
ben_vulpes: dns is some dum shit
ben_vulpes: dns, pro, lol
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the people buying domains like slug.dance
ben_vulpes: lovely backyard vps provider that does domains too.
ben_vulpes: ipxcore i don't think has any js.
ben_vulpes: they cater to consumers. it's fine for them.
ben_vulpes: the day mircea_popescu ran javascript
ben_vulpes: oh man this is a riot
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm personally astonished you held out this long
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah
ben_vulpes: or like pick i don't know any other web tech tar baby
ben_vulpes: or heroku?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: right! why does github need so many people around?
ben_vulpes: modern ui tech is horrendously time intensive to make do things.
ben_vulpes: and now we know why startups can justify a staff of 150 for a web site, as if it were ever in question.
ben_vulpes: which as trinque says is a feature of the whole thing.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and we haven't even gotten to the maintenance cost of this shit.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's what's going on!
ben_vulpes spots a fat tailed distribution
ben_vulpes: to get "nice interactions" on mobile devices, your options are to write objective c, java, or js.
ben_vulpes: so a twist
ben_vulpes: WHO KNOWS
ben_vulpes: maybe that data comes over the wire on app boot up
ben_vulpes: maybe there's an endpoint you can curl to get your domain list
ben_vulpes: saas boss, they show you what they want to show you
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's trying to reason about the browser shitstack
ben_vulpes: trinque: send help
ben_vulpes: trinque: help
ben_vulpes: if it's weird data in the actual database, i fire up a goddamn sql terminal.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen many things that i could reproduce in the production environment that i couldn't reproduce in my local environments, but even for weirdness showing up in production that needs debugging there, i run the application in the browser to get it to the bad state, attach to the code running on the server (however that works for $turdlang), and inspect what the browser is doing and how the server responds.
ben_vulpes: aheuahuea
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aaaah, other html pages showing the same data
ben_vulpes: terminal into production?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you know what he means by "spigot the actual tech people use"?
ben_vulpes: like versioned css or something insane
ben_vulpes: oh i'm sure it's crucial to the functioning of some AWESOME tool
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes and?
ben_vulpes: go find the api client js file and read through that. if you're lucky enough they factored the js so cleanly that you can find the api endpoints.
ben_vulpes: read the source, or run the thing and monitor its api calls.
ben_vulpes: "the deps" are the rest of the js and html that the thing needs to run
ben_vulpes: that you don't load either
ben_vulpes: other script tags
ben_vulpes: server sez: "here's the js to run, here are the deps, here's the css, go to town"
ben_vulpes: very little html is sent over the wire
ben_vulpes: yes yes yes
ben_vulpes: okay, simpler
ben_vulpes: yeah...
ben_vulpes: ugh why do i know this
ben_vulpes: okay well a js application contains the state of user interaction with the "app". when it *needs* to talk to the server, it makes api calls for data and then renders that or does calculations or whatever might need to be done.
ben_vulpes: "dynamically generated pages" but generated in response to a specific HTTP request.
ben_vulpes: cgi is still request loop stuff, right?
ben_vulpes is trying to understand how this is cgi
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you don't. there are no urls, there's a javascript application that stands on the dom.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
ben_vulpes: yes yes
ben_vulpes: no man its so much worse
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: stare into the void
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's a js app not a web page
ben_vulpes: ANGULAR
ben_vulpes: so asciilifeform i notice that none of the "flow" implementations to date have matching output, and the "press" all depend to one degree or another on the inputs to the relevant "tsort" implementations, they're not guaranteed to "press" the same trees. non determinism at this endpoint gives me the willies, is that stupid?
ben_vulpes: "socialist millionaires protocol", too lol
ben_vulpes doesn't know how this nugget failed to make it into the turd
ben_vulpes: "pick another corner, dumbshits, this one is mine."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that is the only solution, right?
ben_vulpes shudders
ben_vulpes: "Earnings will now be hurt by “sharply lower” sales of corporate jets powered by Rolls engines, together with a more sluggish maintenance market both for those aircraft and bigger regional jets"
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with firebombing?
ben_vulpes: "The newcomer cut full-year forecasts, halted a share buyback and said 2016 numbers would be hurt by slowing sales of engines for smaller aircraft and ships that serve the beleaguered offshore oil industry."
ben_vulpes: it's subtle but i thought i saw it
ben_vulpes: "welcome refugees from syria with open arms!"
ben_vulpes: "how do we keep terrorists out?"
ben_vulpes: yo so was it $epithet in paris or what?
ben_vulpes: davout: you still alive?
ben_vulpes: sassafras
ben_vulpes: ah, the poverty of my generation.
ben_vulpes: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panda-Small-Mini-Dryer-5-5lbs-2-5kg-Compact-Apartment-Dryer-Pan725sf-New-/301640663755?hash=item463b2f42cb:g:aYoAAOSweW5VXhZa << breakeven with the "on site" quarter-driven driver is some 173 loads, minus the value of being able to dry infantwear on demand.
ben_vulpes: !up moneycat
ben_vulpes: is that dosser around still?
ben_vulpes: !up whaack
ben_vulpes: whaack: your alma mater's ip is leaking
ben_vulpes: no just the retarded bits
ben_vulpes: > nuchal translucency -- 366.00
ben_vulpes: ty, asciilifeform! when you get around to it, please please please let me know in which ways i could improve it, or if there are mega-conceptual shifts i could effect within myself to do it better next time.
ben_vulpes: insurance company is covering like 5 days in the hospital
ben_vulpes: wonder of wonders
ben_vulpes: i've included some barebones instructions on how to set up a cl for testing, shinohai.
ben_vulpes: (in the spirit of showing things around before posting to the ml)
ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform, phf, adlai, gabriel_laddel, shinohai and panzers at large: i've implemented v in common lisp, and would appreciate your eyes on the implementation and perhaps some testing as well: http://cascadianhacker.com/v_cl.tgz.gpg
ben_vulpes: sure so barter them to the guy down the road with hogs
ben_vulpes: dry and mill, but yes.
ben_vulpes: see mircea_popescu's comment re pigs
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, PeterL: the trick is to soak 'em for a year in running water so's to get the /tannins/ out.
ben_vulpes: my limited research only turned up a wee bit of acorn based products, mostly asian 'speciality' foods. and i want it milled, not transparent slabs.
ben_vulpes: if we're talking about bad ideas.
ben_vulpes: i want to use acorns for a calorie base.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: on the topic of food for 2016, your tmsr~ work is splendid portfolio material. i'm sure you're aware and will object that "but it doesn't help me eat today!".
ben_vulpes: i prefer the kandaharis in kandahar, tyvm.
ben_vulpes: a wasp, a wasp, my 401k for a wasp
ben_vulpes does not in2 russian
ben_vulpes: and yes, coke machine, still in usaschwitz, lizard hitler will never allow a defense attorney etc etc
ben_vulpes: you don't recall the "have assets seized, be in wot get recompensated" deed?
ben_vulpes is too uncaffinated yet to even dig up mircea_popescu's insurance policy
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: "On iOS 9.1, Safari tries to support this, but it is dreadfully buggy. Instead of paging down just less than one screen-height of content, it pages down about 1.5 screen-heights of content." << continuing the "apple can't make usable software" thread
ben_vulpes: "First, when the iPad Pro is open with the keyboard attached, holding your arm up to touch the screen for anything longer than a moment or two is ergonomically uncomfortable. " << fucking duh, your arm wears out. human factors research on the shop floor demonstrated this decades ago, but does the american tech industry know or give a shit? ahahaha don't make me choke
ben_vulpes: rip steve
ben_vulpes: http://daringfireball.net/2015/11/the_ipad_pro#fnr1-2015-11-11 << as predicted, apple is pushing tablets as their new compute station
ben_vulpes: if you're feeling adventurous you could try installing gabriel_laddel's masamune and then scream into the log about gentoo quest
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: have you taken mod6 or asciilifeform's 'v' for a spin yet?
ben_vulpes: good morning whaack
ben_vulpes: ahaha why am i looking at this
ben_vulpes: "live hacking fun!"
ben_vulpes: website is marvelous
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo's infosec link.
ben_vulpes: good ol' specificity of diddling.
ben_vulpes: > Large attack surface that relies on a quickly-built custom application.
ben_vulpes: > Con
ben_vulpes: > Building a security team. Runs up-to-date software.
ben_vulpes: > Pro
ben_vulpes: > Requires HTTPS
ben_vulpes: > Pro
ben_vulpes: and i'm talking about capital allocation, not fashion.
ben_vulpes: maersk is a big ticket. a car is a car.
ben_vulpes: "oh, you want a 911? hm okay."
ben_vulpes: sure, but your particular setup is not particularly representative last i checked and i checked etc etc
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: "last i checked, and i actually checked", but no citation?
ben_vulpes: at risk of giving away crown jewelz, archiving without indexing for search is mind-bogglingly stupid.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: appears to dump archives into archive.org
ben_vulpes: yech.
ben_vulpes: good shit.
ben_vulpes: haxe really?
ben_vulpes: while nobody in the wot's issued fatwa against ruby yet, it doth loom.
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