mp_en_viaje: has entirely nothing to do with the broken old people scattered about.
mp_en_viaje: you wanna tell me the doctors; derpy "citostatics" are to blame ? they're just doing their job, tryna earn enough bread to follow the bird.
mp_en_viaje: the bird sings in the tree there as everywhere. but there, well... there it;s not calling anyone to anything.
mp_en_viaje: let's walk together into the oncology ward and sit ourselves down for a god damned minute and think.
asciilifeform: when Official decree became 'copy from w. reich', all downhill. consider e.g. buran. or the sad pdp clones.
mp_en_viaje: all empires are empires of the mind ; and the problem with them is that one day comes, eventually, when feeling good's no longer easy at all.
mp_en_viaje: there's a succession of steps, in sovok. and one step's the peak. the difference between the step before the peak and the step that is the peak is precisely this : object went from "feeling good was easy whne stalin sang the blues" to "i'd trade all my tomorrows for one of yesterday"
mp_en_viaje: you know, just like the gay song says. "feeling good was easy Lord, when he sang the blues hey, feeling good was good enough for me, hmm hmm"
asciilifeform: plenty of idjicy to consider. e.g. there was a fixation at the time on solid-powder propellants ( for obv. icbm pluses, keeps better in storage, no need to fuel ) with repeated shoddy workmanship, pressed schedules, messy fails
mp_en_viaje: fwiw i do not believe the morons who ended up on suburbs acted purposefully. they ~ended up~ there, as the just desserts of a life spent being derpy. they didn't derpy deliberately, they just derpy.
mp_en_viaje: so there has to be this directed class of malfeasants and all that. i don't necessarily see it (i'm not saying you're provedly wrong, just, seems not needed extra premise).
mp_en_viaje: in the end our two explanation differ chiefly in the cognitive infrastructure you have to bolt on so it's not a case of russki idiocy
asciilifeform: fwiw very similar vehicles are the bulk of today's profit fleet.
mp_en_viaje: or put in other terms : soviet ship blew for exact same reason us ship blew, they just didn't have a feynman to chase politburo around with a beaker of iced seal rubber
mp_en_viaje: in case of space program, chair tallness > 99, can blow inexplicably for 5-6k times before need for further explanation than this simple one.
mp_en_viaje: perhaps. it seems entirely unlikely it blew up through foreign agency. it seems perfectly likely it blew up through accumulation of failure. if a) you have an official error tolerance of 1% and b) your dying empire is calling 3.7% '1%" and c) you start stacking chairs more than 3 layers tall, well... it'll blow up x% of the time "inexplicably" every time, and the x is a function of the chair tallness.
asciilifeform: others - london etc
asciilifeform: some of these still alive & can be met with right here in idiotistani suburbs
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 19:01 asciilifeform: lel, did they write back to israel, 'stop sending niggerz with non-rusting staples' etc ?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920605 << dude gtfo, that's the msot ridiculous thing i ever heard. period usg infiltration was at the http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520606 stage,
mp_en_viaje: (not proposing here there's an organised thinking portion. but one day maybe they get a mp that cares and do organize, the 100% most likely to messiah place in the current world)
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:46 asciilifeform: consider, e.g. the persians. ~gigabux of petroexport, and yet when built fissiles refinery -- it ran on comp from 'siemens' and running winblows 'xp'. why ?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920601 << iran is not "the persians". iran is the persians with a thin sliver of arabs pretending to rule them, like a sea cucumber you sprayed with latex exactly. the thinking portion hates the ruling portion, which is principally why they never get anywhere.
mp_en_viaje: kinda the original substance of the "benevolence" thing : "we're too fucking stupid to harm anyone, honest"
mp_en_viaje: it's kinda comedic to watch, tbh. "here's a people god's chasing all over the map to put things in their pockets while they drool"
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:47 trinque: could say life was too easy by the time the pipe gushed, but was the pipe not also gushing in mid-century US?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920602 << the us mostly used the oil domestically (for lack of practicable avenue of export, nobody nearby could afford to pay or had any use to it). pre-ww2 us is basically an exercise in doing the right thing by accident, like a man auditioning for the job of being the dirtiest man in the world having an accidental altercation with a garbage truck, six angry chimney sweeps and an oil slick onthe way there.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:39 asciilifeform: hrusch incidentally made the irrecoverable idiot move that set up sovok for kindermat -- began exporting petro & other diggables.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920455 << the reason i do not believe korea to be that interesting is that so much of their integration-resistence is built on deliberate blindness. if your computer is only safe if not connected to the internet, you don;t have an os of great interest. show it to be safe when online, then we'll have a talk.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920591 << the ~meaning~ of succession here is, "authority capable of predicating meaning was discontinued". it's not a matter biological, or political, but cultural.
mp_en_viaje: integration as a cultural phenomenon is catalized by communication infrastructure. always was, there's a reason medieval china collapsed in the arms of the steam-powered brits, or "multi-milenary" korea in japanese.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 23:33 trinque: it seems like the USSR and USSA narratives broke down at record speed, compared to predecessors.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920588 << this is the substance of the whole jeans/rocknroll discussion, as well as the theme of integration.
mp_en_viaje: socialism is socialism is socialism, ofcourse each relished their respective eastasias.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-29 22:35 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920314 << too bad. the apparent mutual fixation of usg and ussg at their heights (and the echos of this in their dotage) persuades me that there was something special about both one upon a time.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-29#1920572 << the mutual fixation was a matter of convenience. way the fuck cheaper for each retard in class to pick the other as "archnemesis" than to actually confront reality. there's a reason ignatius reilly / minka minkoff or w/e her name is are writing to each other.
asciilifeform wonders if there's a ro version. pretty sure i heard e.g. latvian variant.
BingoBoingo: Miami's also the place where the folks with money here go shopping which probably ads to the mythology
trinque: yeh, heaven on earth is the most decadent shit I've ever heard.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: really gets into the pathology
trinque: and perhaps the "hurr god doesn't real, now I can masturbate in peace" thing isn't the best place to park the head.
trinque: http://trilema.com/2014/the-bicameral-world-in-one-room-the-city-dump-in-the-other-room-the-starred-restaurant-do-these-talk-to-each-other-read-on-to-find-out/
trinque: asciilifeform: hypothesis is well summarized in a mircea_popescu trilema post I'll find
trinque: the operative hypothesis on my end is that 20th century powers invested their narrative power in men, and when they died, narrative died also.
trinque: asciilifeform: back on the subj of gods, ever read Jaynes' Origin of Consciousness?
trinque: BingoBoingo: like "someday I'll post such a great pic on instagram I'll have the likes to buy a flat in miami" or what
asciilifeform: among thinking folx in modern ru , 'miami usa' is often derisively referred to as 'valinor' , after the distant land tolkien's elves decamped to when shit hit the fan in their world
asciilifeform: understand, congenital disease of orc, is to envy the western rome, 'where streets are clean, lifts -- unpissed, women -- as on cover of 'playboy''
trinque: but I guess it was permavacation to the outside, 80s partying
asciilifeform: the mythological miami.
trinque: the miami meme is still a little lost on me, born as I was in FL, shithole supreme.
asciilifeform: hrusch et al , partook in all of stalin's works, the sexy and the unsexy, and murdered successor, and pinned the 'unsexy' on him, and on the dead emperor, and 'look, western reich, we are civilized folx! let us into miami'
trinque: et tu brute then
asciilifeform: it was not. they were waiting, patiently (or not, to this day no one ruled out poison) for the old man to die, so to claim their miamis.
trinque: soft because insufficiently head-beaten, or what was the weakness
asciilifeform: ended up. but -- and oddly to the uninitiated ear.. man was -- soft. he had a month or so to behead hrusch et al, didn't behead.
asciilifeform: didn't make the finally final exam, is all.
trinque: why didn't he end up in the chair?
trinque: stalin had 3 decades; that's time enough to beat on the head of a protege
trinque: hm, so this is in-world magic that had to be undone. fatal then, for sure.
asciilifeform: trinque: ru history knew revolutionaries who tried to carry on the algo of 'i am seekrit hidden pseudo-murdered heir of $monarch!'. some got pretty far, e.g. pugachev, but all ended up on chopping block.
trinque: asciilifeform: why is it that revolutionaries must break the cycle of succession, rather than simply replace the wheel?
trinque: danielpbarron: ftr your fixation when fucking is allowed and when it's the naughty is the saddest thing I've ever seen.
asciilifeform: old - dies, and replaced by young. the least astonishing thing known.
trinque: vikings and their spiffy gods got a great run out of it.
asciilifeform: incidentally i agree with their pov where 'do you think anything stands 4evah, idiot? all must die, men, kingdoms, worlds'.
asciilifeform: vikings had some imho quite spiffy gods. where are the vikings now ?
trinque: look at sad danielpbarron pulling the stick on yhwh
trinque: I would've earlier said that the ussa and ussr died quick because technology caused them to hit a complexity limit.
asciilifeform: upstack -- imho the rockets flew because overseen by folx who did not take seriously the religious claptrap of 'equality' and in fact believed that the purpose of small man getting to eat is to make possible the work of the great.
trinque: I doubt this because it conflates the hearts of men and grunts.
asciilifeform: spanish conquerors, pizarro, cortes, et al, had priests on board, exactly like sov submarine had 'polit'. and each Officially sailed in the name of jes^H^H^Hlenin etc. and priest ate and shat and with 0 to show for it. dun mean a thing.
trinque: act from principle yes, but there appear to be moments where the principles flow, heh, from princeps
asciilifeform: they believed roughly same thing as such people believe today. that it is possible to do things, and they're worth doing. 'act from principle'(tm)(r)(mp) & so on.
asciilifeform: trinque: the Officially held sov-religion makes approx as much sense to innocent modern ears as, e.g. catholicism. it's imho largely a distraction from the meat.
trinque: I don't know about that. I'm meandering toward a point about narrative and the power thereof.
trinque: yet some methwitch got 3 dudes strapped to an ICBM and fired at the moon
asciilifeform: cuz evidently no one there can design a 1970s-style computer. or even thing about why. why think, why be friends with yer head, when petropayola.
trinque: could say life was too easy by the time the pipe gushed, but was the pipe not also gushing in mid-century US?
asciilifeform: consider, e.g. the persians. ~gigabux of petroexport, and yet when built fissiles refinery -- it ran on comp from 'siemens' and running winblows 'xp'. why ?
asciilifeform: on other end of ocean -- entirely possib that rockefeller's petro-era made possible (inevitable?) fdr & co.
asciilifeform: is how norway, qatar, et al, ended up as they are.
asciilifeform: suddenly it 'doesn't matter' that throne is surrounded by sycophants and halfwits, industry run into the ground, etc. 'so long as the pipe keeps gushing'
asciilifeform: there might have been people who survived winning lottery, but afaik no empire ever did. 'easy money' -- ruin.
asciilifeform: hrusch incidentally made the irrecoverable idiot move that set up sovok for kindermat -- began exporting petro & other diggables.
asciilifeform: ( and not merely because of the obvious complication, tho it did not help -- e.g. peter also could not find a second one of himself to put in the throne )
trinque: it seems like the USSR and USSA narratives broke down at record speed, compared to predecessors.
asciilifeform: at the risk of oversimplification -- if not for the corpses, ru today would not be easily distinguishable from india.
asciilifeform: interestingly, however, meat grinder ~also~ success -- culled peasant herd ( exactly like england had to in 1700s ) and decimated the 'axe handles' in the professional officer corps ( buharin et al, quite ready to serve germany, england, france, in exchange for 'miami' )
asciilifeform: installed l. p. beria as grand vizier, who immediately beheaded the leftists who operated lenin's meat grinder, and amnestied 1/3 or so of total prisoner ( hrusch -- murdered beria, let go another 1/3 and took credit for whole thing, and repainted beria as 'cannibal' )
asciilifeform: trinque: management ~success~. contrary to western reich Official histories, stalin in fact terminated the self-licking cone.
trinque: do you see this as a management failure, inevitability, inferior stock, other?
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 14:12 asciilifeform: and in epoch 3, 4, whole orchestra of kakobreklas killed entire forests to print nonsense re how 'we did it ~in spite~ of the management', aha.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920336 << I assume this means, among other things, that the statal terror (gulag etc) was a necessary part of the peasant-shithole to spacefaring transition?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 22:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519897 << yes, the us was inconceivably wealthy. i nthat 1985-1990 half decade / 5yrplan it could have literally convinced the globe to do anything. this is ultimate wealth. sadly they decided to use that capital to convince the globe "saddam had nuclear weapons" and "green energy/blabla ecolotardisms and assorted danquayleisms" instead.
trinque: the mircea_popescu/asciilifeform threads are probably the best source historians will have in 3-500 yrs
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 07:03 mp_en_viaje: trinque, i do not believe you will find such a thing as a useful history of rus' 20th century in this language, like you have say a useful history of the latin centuries 3-5.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920314 << too bad. the apparent mutual fixation of usg and ussg at their heights (and the echos of this in their dotage) persuades me that there was something special about both one upon a time.
BingoBoingo: In the saga of the worst sport, futbol. Uruguay was eliminated from the Copa America by Peru in a game where they put the ball in the goal three times during regulation play, none of which counted for various femstate reasons. Lost the 0-0 tie in a sort of coinflip dressed as a shootout.
BingoBoingo: Also one of the minor ferry lines quit https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Cacciola-confirmo-el-cierre-de-la-empresa-por-las-altas-tasas-y-la-devaluacion--uc722735
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2015/ars-gratia-artis-sau-cum-era-or-the-function-and-the-functioning-of-art-part-deux/
asciilifeform: gotta luvv the limba de lemn, as well as the smoke bomb 'ooh it's about broken installations, not factorable moduli, dun listen to terrorists' and 'here's our fix, use our New, Improved, Curated keyserv at ftmea^HH^H^H^Hopenpgp.org' etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile in heathen lulz. (sent in by shinohai)
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> where the fuck's the whole manticore thing coming from then ?! << During hanbot's missionary work to tardstalk, the manticore piece was one of the arts commisioned. Don't have the link on hand, but seems like a 2013 thing
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/did-anyone-ever-notice-before-the-pierogi-are-shaped-like-a-twat-no-me-neither/ << Trilema -- Did anyone ever notice before the pierogi are shaped like a twat ? No ? Me neither.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the manticore, was yours, was drawing on your www header, 'mp rides the manticore'
mp_en_viaje: also, anyone recall the logline where (iirc ben_vulpes ?) described alf being in some sort of oooh, it wasn't manticore, it was valkyrie.
ave1: I think I'm pressing the right buttons on this gcc build but it simply does not work
ave1: after a week of failure, a day at the beach awaits
ave1: at time like these I wish I had a store full of good remarks in my head, instead of tons of ways to program a stupid computer
BingoBoingo: In developing news, Mercosur and the EU signed some sort of free trade agreement today.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aint cr the land of famous rope bridges , 300m+ ? << Peruana grew up with those things. She's not a fan.
asciilifeform wonders if ordinary hammock too much resembles that rope-and-iron-frames fixator mp_en_viaje described as having built for the pets, and from this can't stomach sitting on it himself
asciilifeform: naturally 'not real bridge', can't roll a train over it. i imagine the ones in cr were built by che guevara's partizans or somesuch, under cover of night
mp_en_viaje: i mean they're kinda cool as an "activity", but they're not real bridges, they're more like a niovelty.
mp_en_viaje: and they suck.
asciilifeform: aint cr the land of famous rope bridges , 300m+ ?
mp_en_viaje: there's a reason there's not bridges made with no pontoons. at least not over anything you can't jump.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but they're still a scrap of textile hung from two points.
asciilifeform: y'know they come in diff. sizes/shapes
asciilifeform likes, but can use only 2-3 wks / yr, that's how long is period w/out either cold, heat, or mosquito, here in this penal colony
BingoBoingo: ^ small photo to minimize the lunch loss
a111: Logged on 2019-06-06 15:38 asciilifeform: for completeness : output from variant with only sections 1 .. 8 of the multiprimorial ; eight 2048bit primes in 4m10.188s .
asciilifeform: there is also the multipart primorial experiment, large pile but not made it yet into proper series.
asciilifeform: ( it's ~no good for anyffin practical until i bake a cuntoo or at the very least a clean buildroot for it, and won't get chance for a while, thing is on back burner )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thinking about it, would also like to eventually proclaim the mips tool set as a snsa production. but prolly premature for broadcast.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-28 10:23 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a disease of stupidity, "who the fuck wants tablet, makes smartphone look good, who the fuck wants smartphone, makes atari look good, who the fuck wants atari, makes ibm at look good" etc etc.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i intend to publish the q3 nsa report sometime today/tomorrow. technically early, but we don't have that much movement that anything'll get missed imo. do you have anything i don't know about has to go in ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, lmao, the usg dept of state has an organization of imaginary states from the continent, taking "decisions" and whatnot ?
mp_en_viaje: there is such a thing as evil in the world, and it's this preference for the worse of the underclass.
mp_en_viaje: and yet, they do.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a disease of stupidity, "who the fuck wants tablet, makes smartphone look good, who the fuck wants smartphone, makes atari look good, who the fuck wants atari, makes ibm at look good" etc etc.
BingoBoingo: In other local news: https://www.montevideo.com.uy/Noticias/Uruguay-se-retiro-de-la-asamblea-de-la-OEA-y-senalo-vaciamiento-de-la-institucionalidad--uc722587
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/06/27/last-days-before-the-party-internal/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Last Days Before The Party Internal
asciilifeform: who the fuck even wants plank scooter, aside from 5yo boy. even for phree
BingoBoingo: Probably more money could have been had building them with a substantial column lock and marketing them for 18 cuatos of XXXX pesos
BingoBoingo: But yes, whether a scooter got used or not during the day it is night collected for charging.
BingoBoingo: There's folks who come by with motorcycle-trucks in the night to collect them for recharging here
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 17:43 BingoBoingo: But the flood of electric shitboards is ~litter. No idea how any single one of the company expects to make ROI on them. Not with the casualty rate.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920422 << whole of both oslo and warsaw littered with the abandoned shits.
asciilifeform: even the lappies here in torture room aint 'as came from factory', pretty much all needed nic swap at least
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 17:06 asciilifeform: afaik the last english periodical for intelligent non-professional who 'friends with his head' , was 'scientific american'. i have a set of these here, 1960-1990. pretty good, but no comparison with e.g. 'kvant'.
BingoBoingo: Winner gene combinations and loser gene combinations, still either can be drugged into greater loserdom.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, sure as fuck my father's oltcit came with complete manual, incl parts inventory, description, etc. you could have MADE one, if had the cnc mills and patience.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: people did that sort of thing, back then. and all the fuckbook tards who paint the dude (rightfully or not, i don't give a shit) as the summum malum never as much as put together a fucking lego box.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 00:50 mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 16:59 asciilifeform: culture-of-literacy was pervasive, and such that is even difficult to describe to the uninitiated today. e.g. virtually ALL manufactured objects of any complexity came with schematics, exactly like e.g. FG today
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920398 << and people read them, and sent observations in, and oft got responses. the one thing uniting http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#selection-8873.126-8873.288 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741883 is this culture of cluefulness.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: I'm inclined to believe the split happens as described, but given the marketing of medicine in the US can't rule out some dorks taking benadryl for daytime allergies, Prozac for their sexless depression, and other benadryl for sleep chemically shaping their brain into dementia
asciilifeform: ( 1 of the few rapidly expanding 'industries' in fact )
mp_en_viaje: entirely possible, they'll end up with a pile of dementia as a result of smoke bans.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, exactly that's my theory : split 1 : a1 the ones helped / b1 the ones that didn't need help ; split 2 : a2 the ones demented ; b2 the ones not demented. the idea is a1 a2 are ~same, and in this context you can't pretend they're "a population". they're two.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 15:58 asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that cia selling dope ~in usa~ really is 'employees using office equp. for personal gain', rather than political project. consider, you have fleet of seekrit planes, airstrips, 0 customs inspections, how couldja ~not~ traffic dope )
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In this case it seems to be dementia hitting at younger portions of the extended life span. Could be the ones affected younger are more defective. Dementia though tends to be a rot of the cholinergic system.
asciilifeform: each went bust for reasons wholly unrelated to 'the beoble' and what they 'could/could not stand'
mp_en_viaje: no, nobody cares about the dorks outside oxford. the monkery itself, just gave up on its own shit. multiple times.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not the least bit pissed off. simply must point out that to frame as 'they could not stand' is mistake, it aint as if villagers with pitchforks swapped sovok-1 for sovok-2 , or 2 for 3, etc
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, "dementia risk" as used there is simply the result of longer life spans. the brain decays, all successful medicine carries the risk of dementia in this sense.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's rather like to say 'rome couldn't stand what it has built 4 times'.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/06/most-of-the-us-pharmacopoeia-carries-dementia-risk-with-chronic-use/ << Qntra -- Most Of The US Pharmacopoeia Carries Dementia Risk With Chronic Use
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, it's still in the trilema byline rotation.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 15:29 asciilifeform: esp. given where the latter 'by morons'
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920347 << you know, it's really not my fault sovoks couldn't actually stand the thing they built, 4 times in 50 years.
asciilifeform: i recall at one pt in mp_en_viaje's www there was 'mediocrity -- intelligence wholly consumed by self-preservation' or how it went.
mp_en_viaje: (the reference here is : all dying cultures are china shops. they become reflexive as they become sterile ; no longer capable of distinguishing the important from the inconsequential, they aim to machinally "preserve" themselves.)
asciilifeform: in theory. in practice, zulu not dangerous to china shop of london.
mp_en_viaje: esp for the owners of china shops.
asciilifeform: the strongest such sign of all possible.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 15:26 asciilifeform: in re: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920320 , i find the 'civilized' world's pov re sovok to be profoundly schizoid, and quite reminiscent of e.g. hitler's of the j00z -- i.e. somehow simultaneously 'imbeciles, incapable of constructive work' and 'devilish genius that controls world'
mp_en_viaje: in all truth http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920343 is ALSO true. they're true symultaneously, ask me not "how can this be". it can be.
BingoBoingo: Well the first firm was "Mexican" second was Silicon Valley's "Lime" Haven't looked into the newest yet, but likely more Californitards
asciilifeform: is how, per mp_en_viaje's norway piece, they end up with 'yesterday's shirts' etc
BingoBoingo: The only thing I can guess is that someone's burning "Venture" funds just to see what happens when they try turkey dollar expenditures
asciilifeform: i dunget the appeal of the shitboard. why wouldja want to stand on plank ? i got tired of it as 5yo
BingoBoingo: But the flood of electric shitboards is ~litter. No idea how any single one of the company expects to make ROI on them. Not with the casualty rate.
asciilifeform: they laugh at temp extremes, too.
BingoBoingo: nah, the electric bike-ish things are slow coming in but I do see more.
asciilifeform: iirc BingoBoingo once maintained small petrol engines, knows the hell
asciilifeform: and w/out the smoke of petrol, or cleaning carb, swapping filters, oil, etc
BingoBoingo: In other news, yet another e-scooter livery spotted today to serve the almost non-existent market for such things
asciilifeform: i've spoken to coupla dozen d00dz in usa who went to iraq. all admitted to having had ~0 notion of where on the globe it was, prior to trip.
asciilifeform: in re kindergarten education, otoh -- typical sovok schoolboy could draw a reasonably-exact map of europe, asia, americas. from memory. when was the time when western reich schoolboy could do this ?
asciilifeform: afaik the last english periodical for intelligent non-professional who 'friends with his head' , was 'scientific american'. i have a set of these here, 1960-1990. pretty good, but no comparison with e.g. 'kvant'.
asciilifeform: re philology i am less equipped to comment, but consider a typical philologic puzzler from 'science&life' in 1980s, from asciilifeform's own b00kcase -- here's a passage in $obscurelang (kazah, chukcha, chechen), here's defs of 6 words. nao answer these-here q's re the text...
asciilifeform: the last, iirc, western reich item asciilifeform bought that came with schems, was... commodore-64.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-28 18:20 asciilifeform: when you bought a e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-15#1896849 , got moar schematics than ~anyone knew what to do with , right in the box . but when buy ipnoje, what you really buy is... what? the privilege to pay crapple for next 1 in 6 mo...
asciilifeform: culture-of-literacy was pervasive, and such that is even difficult to describe to the uninitiated today. e.g. virtually ALL manufactured objects of any complexity came with schematics, exactly like e.g. FG today
mp_en_viaje: (and, therefore, also minus numeracy, but w/e, colonies)
mp_en_viaje: people cared deeply about obscure points of literary theory, topology, solid state physics and whatnot in a manner typical of the time, too -- greenwich village beatniks ~synchronously did ~same thing [minus, of course, a parental state to force them to also work]
mp_en_viaje: as opposed to a culture of whatever the fuck this "our company policy" bullshit is.
mp_en_viaje: because the guy's loyalty was to the fucking truth of the matter, and to intellectual excellence, rather than to a 3 ring binder, and his petty habits and inhabituations of schedule.
mp_en_viaje: and THEN re=emerged 3rd day to ha-HA!
mp_en_viaje: i once passed an exam (whatever, highschool term paper) because i introduced as a lemma a clearly absurd geometrical proof ("all straight angles are obtuse") and then on the basis of this 1=2 proceeded to prove the question at hand. the teacher a) gave me full points because couldn't spot the error in the absurdity and then b) took sick leave the next day
asciilifeform: for the subhumans, rotgut was available in qty, made'em vehehery easy to distinguish from actual people from a cannon's shot distance
asciilifeform: admittedly mp_en_viaje grew up in cluj and not in muhosransk. but the general pattern held. in sovok folx collected bottles, newsprint, to trade for buying b00kz.
mp_en_viaje: (unless, of course, one was blue collar, with no university degree even. then one was not a person, simply put)
mp_en_viaje: the typically ustardian notion that it's acceptable to not know, to not understand, to not care even was entirely unknown ; that "i dunno man, i just work here" typical redditism entirely repressed, socially inacceptable and universally deemed morally reprehensible.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 14:23 asciilifeform: as for the peanut gallery folx, unsurprisingly idjit konsoomer likes to remember 'no jeans' but somehow prefers not to remember the 6 weeks of vacation, rent-free flat, or for that matter the culture of literacy where e.g. publication like 'kvant', with topology, theory of computability, etc. puzzlers , of top quality and for popular! audience
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920337 << the culture of literacy is possibly the largest lost point. yes, at a time on this very planet and within my own personal memory. in ye glory days of the 70s you could, literally, stop people in the street with whatever interesting math problem, and they'd drop whatever the fuck they were doing and seek a solution out o
asciilifeform: they have clubs & all, complete w/ bagpipe
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, it's the eastern hound, tall chicks, nice bone structure, some tits and ass but nothing latino/jewish
asciilifeform pretty curious whether poland is naodays ~empty-but-for-usg-tank-brigades like baltics, or still populated
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i suspect that cia selling dope ~in usa~ really is 'employees using office equp. for personal gain', rather than political project. consider, you have fleet of seekrit planes, airstrips, 0 customs inspections, how couldja ~not~ traffic dope )
BingoBoingo: <mp_en_viaje> in other news, god i fucking love poland << Land of tits and ass?
mp_en_viaje: in other news, god i fucking love poland
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it appears CIA has no qualms about marketing whatever drugs it can. During Nam they marketed heroin in the US as well. When they lost flights from SEA they went full bore into coca.
asciilifeform: (from usg's pov -- afghan was to be conquered so to expand supply of heroin into ru, rather than to bring across the ocean)
BingoBoingo: Well it started with the oxycodone and prescription stuff which got grossly restricted when the Afghan intervention started. The addicts turned to heroin.
asciilifeform: 2001-nao, at least in usa, is typically on synthetics
BingoBoingo: That is not what the overdose thing 2001-now suggests.
BingoBoingo: Well, is the CIA recieving its drugs or not?
asciilifeform: iirc the forts are where tribute is being paid on schedule. elsewhere, wiped out.
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't call it quite a full checkmate. USG presently has a couple fortified points from which it can dispatch material for destruction thereby creating the "need" to buy more material to keep the MI bezzle loop looped
BingoBoingo: The Pashtun stalement is enough to make Hilary O Bolton desperate to aggress a state adversary, any state adversary at all.
BingoBoingo: Not so different from the cognitive dissonance that makes Pashtuns thing pants are shit over as they fight empire to stalemate on all fronts.
asciilifeform: esp. given where the latter 'by morons'
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 07:12 mp_en_viaje: but, fundamentally, what you ask for doesn't exist because the russkis are morons ; and not a little morons, as in neglectful. they're thoroughly and fractally fucked in the head, and thereby they've made for themselves such a history of the 20th century, ~through fucking living it~ as no sane human being could readily follow.
asciilifeform: in re: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920320 , i find the 'civilized' world's pov re sovok to be profoundly schizoid, and quite reminiscent of e.g. hitler's of the j00z -- i.e. somehow simultaneously 'imbeciles, incapable of constructive work' and 'devilish genius that controls world'
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:42 asciilifeform: does anyone recall old thrd where mircea_popescu linked to a youtube clip of some idiot kid smashing up ancient car that his father gave him, 'cuz not mercedes' ?
asciilifeform: asciilifeform says : fuck the jeans. with red hot poker. i'll happily give back the jeans. gimme back 'kvant' and 0 rent.
asciilifeform: or for that matter the research culture that was the butthurt envy of entire 'civilized world' (as late as '90, pentagon spent $B's on translations, from which cribbed all sortsa material, e.g. 'stealth airplane' )
asciilifeform: as for the peanut gallery folx, unsurprisingly idjit konsoomer likes to remember 'no jeans' but somehow prefers not to remember the 6 weeks of vacation, rent-free flat, or for that matter the culture of literacy where e.g. publication like 'kvant', with topology, theory of computability, etc. puzzlers , of top quality and for popular! audience
asciilifeform: and in epoch 3, 4, whole orchestra of kakobreklas killed entire forests to print nonsense re how 'we did it ~in spite~ of the management', aha.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's approach to sovology is based on simple fact -- we're speaking of folx who ~did things~. and specifically, they (1) went from agrarian shithole, on the level of korea circa 1900s, to industrial power equal to any in europistan ; repelled invasion of ~whole combined 'civilized' world, then built bomb to drive home the lesson for the unteachable (2) ; took concept of space flight from fiction to fact (also largely 2, th
asciilifeform: re: the memoirs -- ~90% of asciilifeform's bedtime reading for 10+ yrs nao. but found much moar value in the memoirs of ~people who did things, with own hands~, chemists, tank commanders, pilots, etc, than in the 'famous in west' power players, which invariably have the flavour of 'i am kako, once was great but unjustly dethroned, read my butthurts!'
asciilifeform: china -- did not buy. which is no small part of on the map there is still today a 'china', and not 37 bantustans or whatever the reich's replacement project would've consisted of
asciilifeform: in each, 'wot' from previous epoch entirely rebuilt, most of the playing characters from prev. epoch -- exit stage.
asciilifeform: on top of this, add the fact that sovok was really 4 separate items, as diff. as e.g. roman 'kings' period vs republic vs empire : 1) lenin epoch 2) stalin 3) hrusch 4) 'stagnation' and wrap-up.
asciilifeform: good chunks of which, incidentally, the 'western narrative' bought into -- 'hook, line, and sinker', e.g. the Official nato reich history of stalin era takes hrusch's revisionism at 100% face value
asciilifeform: re the histories -- this is esp. diff subject not the least bit because of systematic falsification.