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(trilema) ben_vulpes: yo asciilifeform can you comment on 'press' thread?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not under nine thousand
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ty kakobrekla, much appreciated
(trilema) ben_vulpes does not waste pixels on voice status
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: are you voiced now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wait, workz now?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh god. damnit. assbot.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: goddamnit adlai do you know how much miserable code i have to read?
(trilema) ben_vulpes pulls up a --
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what was the /point/ though? and the story behind its conception?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the act of pressing only allows for a single head, regardless of whatever other patches exist.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whatever the user supplies for pressing, non?
(trilema) ben_vulpes could have had a whole bottle of nieto sentenier for what this single glass cost
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <punkman> imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good ol' define-by-impl
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm no perlspurt but mod6's only appears to press a single head as well punkman
(trilema) ben_vulpes cracks mod6's v to inspect for multiheadpressing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nono, pyv only pressed a single head.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did pyv press multiple heads?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and i ain't git either.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nigga please, i only have one head.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or life, who can tell
(trilema) ben_vulpes may be experiencing a weekend of retardation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what?! how can there be more than a single head
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 2) press all same-leaf patches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see:
(trilema) ben_vulpes: has to press the same tree as any other v given the same head
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well, by stan's criteria.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: minimal doesn't work i don't think
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rebooting an old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not from here, thestringpuller
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "Upgrade to El Capitan"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there is a new file in /Applications
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wahahahah oh ho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > plug their shortfall
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is there reason to suspect that insta-disconnecting nodes will achieve anything rather than queuing the disconnector up for a reconnection shortly?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how aggressively do disconnected nodes attempt to reconnect?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: some girls, at first...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: long overdue in any case.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: easy come easy go
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.shinohai.1:3a59134afe01c07de8fa56f34dd89ab3f3b572c8d9cdae951a8dc812620ca0fd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !rate shinohai 1 trb scout
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am going to go do the dishes, rageclean, watch a movie and bask in the cutefield.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fuck computers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: like everything tonight.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: interface isn't precisely self-consistent, no.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: assbot doesn't even give me a useful complaint.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is it? 24 hours?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, the auth timeout.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the year of microsft's victory, apparently ith.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: crlf is in the fucking spec?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Finally, there is the form submission value. It is normalized so that line breaks use U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN U+000A LINE FEED (CRLF) character pairs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh ho god no
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "For historical reasons, the element's value is normalised in three different ways for three different purposes."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353741 << if i'm reading this thread correctly, this problem is directly traceable to tools used to jam ascii into dpaste.com et al?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and in the general case, no.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE omg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for what its worth emacs' eww was the most reliable tool for finding wacky line endings
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes asciilifeform telnet let's go
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i couldn't rule out curl hosing my experiments, mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ahuehuaheauhuaehu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for as long as archive.is continues to be a thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wall scribblings meant for the ages should to into deedbot-, no?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is an argument for filtering the seawter for gold.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you can get it to do up to a year
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more state, huh?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah no. nm. all my dumb ass.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (which itself a magical hellhole of stupidity)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: --with-colons
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fingerprint.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh ffs whose idea was it to migrate from 'fpr' to something else in gnupg 2?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well don't get in the habit of failing to cite sources.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did you include a link to my version of the same piece that you wrote?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i saw material factual mistakes and kinda checked out.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh it /was/ in there the first time?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mostly to dismiss my own hypotheses
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'd love to hear how he got the mysterious, yes phriendz, rolled in.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, the point remains. mircea_popescu did not select 0.5.3 as the root fork point.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and yet somehow trb forked from 0.5.3
(trilema) ben_vulpes: notrly the latter.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "enumerating badness"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what next, rackspace?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and you propose to identify all such virtualized nodes somehow?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: achtung achtung
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque suggested not-trivially-enumerable endpoints for wotmembers, eg engage in a brief gpggram session one time, yields a wotpaste/my-difficult-to-enumerate-endpoint place for individuals to post textwads to
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am just looking for a sane balance between toilet for the mob and useful tool for the wot.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes yes yes you drama queen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that i understand.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you accept use of a token in headers for use from cli?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: why'd i not be?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (it's just a fucking latrine that needs digging)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which is why i think it should be hammered out and left alone at the earliest possible moment.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways jurov if i had an inkling that someone would do it besides myself i'd not have done it in the first place. if you want the thing on your plate, lmk, otherwise if you have an obvious solution you're not holding out for paste-opoly also let me know.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (it is the root of cognition, no?) "usually this makes the food happen"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (what else would it be the most serene republic of, though?)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tmsr~ needs ui like it needs people who need ui.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: megasuperdevstack only makes sense in context of insane complexity of ui development, jurov.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no js in tmsr~!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no js in this thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: everything else is ego and vanity
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all i want is a prophylactic against crlfs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you want it, take it!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: try me, jurov. what's a better direction?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "but it still led to a $1.59 million increase in fees in one quarter" << how do you knoooow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "The results: about 9 percent more poor students matriculated." << how would you know it's attributable to your work?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/10/obamas-effort-to-nudge-america-000276 << in which the department of statistics completely forgets about the challenges of untangling correlation from causation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nobody 'needs' a toy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not selling, really. more of a toy for phriendz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well then what precisely were you proposing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: SO WHY THE FUCK WRITE SHIT FOR PEOPLE NOT IN THE WOT
(trilema) ben_vulpes: isn't the classic answer 'the other gurlz'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so riddle me this: why the everloving fuck *should* i make any tool usable for anyone outside of my wot?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes well clearly when we actually have gossipd auth i can wash my hands of auth too.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if so i would like an introduction to this registrar, they sound like good people to know
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu proposes to manage dns without authentication? is this like the mythical bezzlebroker who only communicates in gpggrams with $maxint clients?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aight but before we go haring off completely is there an argument to be made in favor of wotmembers signing authentication tokens over decrypting authentication tokens?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well no it wouldn't be sensible things
(trilema) ben_vulpes: primes and not?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: right right, just gleefully abstaining from helping lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "i don't solve problems, i just make them"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: useles, you are!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: merry cribmusk.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: from pasteshite design to "all you-sians are congenitally retarded" in less than 50 lines.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm not saying that they won't, i'm say that nobody appears to actually be doing so.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: people aren't getting blogs and using them.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and miscellaneous other pasteshites who shit crlfs and waste precious trb time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: people are still using motherfucking dpaste!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plus every irc community evolves until it has its own pastebin or how did that old saw go
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's what i've been doing, but it's not working and i'm still seeing heinous linefeed issues hamstringing and tripping up trb scouts
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but this is extremely inconvenient to use.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: alternatively, rotate the pubkey every day, encrypting to l2 and hosting myself.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i did briefly consider letting people sub out a disposable key
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and redistribute whenever someone pisses in my cheerios?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and having a known set of users rules out a whole class of misbehaviors.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because i have no interest in building things for the mob.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: destestable though they may be for injecting state into the stateless protocol, would a single "signin" page with an assbot-style decryption of OTP that results in a session key authenticating the user to the perlwad be an improvement, and are there better solutions i'm not considering? anonymous drive-by pasting is not a better solution imho.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but i was up till 5 last night, so not really applying the razor
(trilema) ben_vulpes: brief snippet sounded sorta with-it
(trilema) ben_vulpes baffled that ipnohe coolie is starving somehow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's an experimental aspect to it as well, in the vein of getting more signed msterial out in the world
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but i don't think you called out specifically that you can rewrite the whole file's line ending styles without invalidating it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah that's right you beat me to this one by a long shot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: isn't it grand!?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ahh i love shipping in the wee hours
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: while we're on the topic...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: isn't that called a webserver?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell BingoBoingo qntra.net/contact/ << missed this one?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the link you cite as mircea_popescu picking 0.5.3 is a response to a request for a copy of the source of a particular vintage
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eh gtfo pete
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > 0.5.3 selected by Mircea Popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, is there anything to this gdansk deepwater port nyooz?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there are specific heads i'm out for yet.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i dgaf about guards
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this shit is enough to make me despair of anything but burning everything down.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how is it that place can get away without showing a profit?
(trilema) ben_vulpes is surprised asciilifeform's parser can handle the title, much less the piece
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you want a rehash of the GUD stuff? a wholesale reexamination of every point in the piece?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rooting around in middens
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352445 << oh come on, no citation even?! i spent hours on that research.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or, talking about script?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352327 << wait, what has changed in the bootup process that would justify an update?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352122 << this was never actually on the table, the thread was war stories on my part and generalized architectural opining on mircea_popescu's
(trilema) ben_vulpes: okay, this i now dig.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am completely out of my depth here.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in that any byte array can be used to represent an integer?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: please bear with me for a moment, hashes are then actually a sortable thing, a la...integers?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "keys" in this case would be 'txid's?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i must now admit to only a kindergarten level understanding of data structures, for any who remain un-clued-in to this fact
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how then to sort transactions?
(trilema) ben_vulpes opens the door, gestures frantically
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure, but did you miss the line where i asked "what data structure will work here?"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351815 << have i not yet achieved loglightenment on how to index the transaction set?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: like i said, 'twill remain a mystery
(trilema) ben_vulpes nods in appreciation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ages, ageists, women in tech
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re handwriting, it is a mystery for the ageists
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes but /have you run it under gdb/
(trilema) ben_vulpes waves at Naphex
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why the everloving fuck would trb care about rtrees
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351774 << conversation wasn't strictly about trb but dbs in general
(trilema) ben_vulpes: run it under gdb?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bloody wacky thestringpuller
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm curious to know what data structures people who understand data structures would suggest for storage and indexing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: try setting them in the config file
(trilema) ben_vulpes: does it work with a getinfo and no rpcuser/password?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's why eulora's looking for mapgen in $yourlang
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it ain't hard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: just write some cffi
(trilema) ben_vulpes: external process
(trilema) ben_vulpes: notrly a server
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol but should it crash with those?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: check debug.log?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyone recall offhand how to get gpg to crap out signed data sans header/footer?
(trilema) ben_vulpes cannot recall what triggers this message
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sounds extremely familiar
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