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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358375 << how d'you propose to price the damage to herd immunity?
ben_vulpes: unrelated
ben_vulpes: or anyone else.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform can you link me to the "common lisp is for hard problems" naggum bit?
ben_vulpes: don't hash power fluctuations make tracking large blocks of time a nondeterministic problem?
ben_vulpes: what is a year?
ben_vulpes: are pm's actually...p?
ben_vulpes: plus i have this hunch that reconciling hilarious mpex receipts is an epic pile of work
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "founder" is a very sv title. saccharine, makes my teeth hurt almost.
ben_vulpes: software is a skosh more tricky to muntz, especially the shitstack.
ben_vulpes: there's a whole story about a guy who had a teevee fab company
ben_vulpes: !s muntz
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: muntz on, panzer
ben_vulpes: this is most apparently when rails devs go "omg docker" because it lets them reproducibly build execution environments
ben_vulpes: just because someone's been writing "rails apps" for years doesn't mean they know anything about how ruby works. django/python idem.
ben_vulpes: and are you programming "php" or are you programming "wordpress"?
ben_vulpes: the play-dough of webdev
ben_vulpes: dude PeterL you still hafta sign it
ben_vulpes: is that its send-from or send-to?
ben_vulpes: what, it only has one?
ben_vulpes: of course one misses out on all the traderfeelz
ben_vulpes: if you're long and have regular income, dollar-cost-averaging isn't the worst thing in the world.
ben_vulpes: terrorist, extirpate thyself
ben_vulpes: well then skip it
ben_vulpes: if its onerous skip it
ben_vulpes: shinohai: anyways i have some time right now so choppa choppa
ben_vulpes lives in usa, will likely never own coin
ben_vulpes: shinohai: savvy?
ben_vulpes: for big bash shit (heaven help you) have a single file with the project functions exported, and smaller scripts that import that file and then call the relevant functions
ben_vulpes: pass args to functions for anything that might change ever
ben_vulpes: jam discrete bits of side-effect into functions
ben_vulpes: set -xeu
ben_vulpes: fwiw the rules are simple
ben_vulpes amazed to be doing this in b-a now
ben_vulpes: may as well just gpg-gram it to everyone in l2, who knows if someone else might get to code review before me
ben_vulpes: gpg-gram and paste it to me, i'll get to it eventually
ben_vulpes: all is void
ben_vulpes: nada.
ben_vulpes: hola shinohai
ben_vulpes: hail satan, smoke meth, write c etc.
ben_vulpes: you know where the void is, and the invitation to scream into it probably won't close any time soon.
ben_vulpes: adlai: i dun much care one way or t'other, but if you don't want to get null-routed you're going to have to give more of a shit about how the other people here judge your 'psychobabble'.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform subkeys ruining someone's day?
ben_vulpes: adlai: d'you intend to do something about the snr complaints?
ben_vulpes can dig
ben_vulpes: "danielpbarron sez ur cheeting, out witcha"?
ben_vulpes: and how to arbitrate?
ben_vulpes: more relevantly to the problem, how would a webpoker designer address collusion?
ben_vulpes: good day, tourists
ben_vulpes: 'tis noble.
ben_vulpes: > rescuing bitcoins
ben_vulpes: > rescuing bitcoins from bitpay
ben_vulpes: i think i'm fine with week stale ratings
ben_vulpes: trust doesn't operate in real time
ben_vulpes: !gettrust adlai
ben_vulpes chomps
ben_vulpes: trinque: stop triggering me
ben_vulpes: have fun with the pastebuffers tho
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform fwiw rms' turd actually runs better under x11 on os x than under the native windowing system
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform which emacs, which os x. ffs what am i a scryer of retard toolchains?
ben_vulpes: s.wooning
ben_vulpes: !up adlai
ben_vulpes: watching you dig your own grave is far too entertaining
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: VYOOOOOOZ
ben_vulpes: Azelphur: whaddaya do?
ben_vulpes: SOPS?
ben_vulpes: come out come out wherever you are
ben_vulpes: lol who are future_prophecy and veqtrus
ben_vulpes: if you're not Living In Fear (tm) you're not Living American (tm)!
ben_vulpes: how the world works
ben_vulpes: understand
ben_vulpes: i don't
ben_vulpes: in what world
ben_vulpes: the number of related codes?!
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform how are the new minez?
ben_vulpes: foreskins!
ben_vulpes: rather nice qntra, BingoBoingo
ben_vulpes: Softforks that explicitly create an incentive for their own revocation create an extraordinary moral hazard. << rather
ben_vulpes: IT BEGINS
ben_vulpes: > cutting
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you are going to get too swole
ben_vulpes: but on the other thread, from what pool are 'they' to 'pick their own'? must i not provide?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: old enough to pick, old enough also to have the wot to select from?
ben_vulpes: well i did think about it for a few weeks before bringing it up. 'was cool' is a simplification of the whole 'semantic web' trip.
ben_vulpes: tutoring is decent work for a mistress, neh?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: narrative scrolling through my head is "tbl made htmlz, smart ppl thot waz cool, rest of internet piled on, shartups demanded cc processing over webz, tls/ssl became defacto"
ben_vulpes: but never fucking ever will i readily consent to stick my offspring in a daycare for an amount of attention outside of my control to be paid to them.
ben_vulpes: perhaps a slice here or there, like latin or ballroom dancing
ben_vulpes: i have yet to meet a teacher i'd entrust the whole of any educational program to outside my wot
ben_vulpes: the curricula are purchaseable for like 500 dollars
ben_vulpes: /quit
ben_vulpes wonders if anyone got the implicit self-deprecatory 'hack' joke
ben_vulpes: L33T HAXX0R
ben_vulpes: A FLUFFYPONY
ben_vulpes: didja take the bitcoin side of the ebt?
ben_vulpes: share dump? the sale that would drive the price down to bet-throwing levels?
ben_vulpes: what's the story?
ben_vulpes: > feel
ben_vulpes: > bet
ben_vulpes: > regret
ben_vulpes: does anyone know of any decent sociopolitical histories of tls/ssl?
ben_vulpes: !up Guest1038
ben_vulpes: good grief
ben_vulpes: !gup Guest1038
ben_vulpes: !up amiller
ben_vulpes: ~up amiller
ben_vulpes: also, outside my wot. watch me give zero fuxx.
ben_vulpes: i got the hazy notion that someone wanted to implement something that involved...not validating the whole blockchain. tuned out.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i only know what those fuckwits are up to because of you
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai that post predated my ever hearing about segwit
ben_vulpes: ah clever
ben_vulpes: is this jim crow thing a thread i missed?
ben_vulpes: individuals may on occasion change the world of their own accord, but teaching the normie that such is within his grasp is the height of stupid
ben_vulpes: where was that?
ben_vulpes: incuntmuteable
ben_vulpes: s/c/s///
ben_vulpes: ouroubot?
ben_vulpes: trinque: also
ben_vulpes: do many deedbot- outputs get spent?
ben_vulpes: amiga or c64 but right idea
ben_vulpes: the canonical #b-a thread to reference here is that "americans, no matter how they slave, cannot even begin to approximate that which their fathers took for granted".
ben_vulpes: the tuition for which was 16K (for hs, and only a moderate hike from the lower school rates) in 2004, and most likely has doubled since.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: were i to actually want to spend the money, it'd be the tution for the quality schools in the area *i* attended, not the fashionable ones i *didn't*.
ben_vulpes: "yes, this is the best flour your father can afford, and the best bread your mother can bake. be glad there is bread on the table and not the shit your little friends must eat."
ben_vulpes: i have a perfectly capable baker on staff already. yes it takes some time to make bread. so bake, and later eat.
ben_vulpes: nor will i feed my family shit and demand they call it bread.
ben_vulpes: no, i'll not go buy fashionable fancy toyz.
ben_vulpes: yes, one price everywhere
ben_vulpes didn't think this was news to anyone
ben_vulpes: because i'm an impoverished usian?!
ben_vulpes: mostly it's designed to produce happy little fab-line beez
ben_vulpes: sixth grade was my last there.
ben_vulpes: waldorf
ben_vulpes: nearly as bad
ben_vulpes: relatedly, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350387 << i am /so/ looking forward to this
ben_vulpes: !s daycare
ben_vulpes: and you even have to ask re homeschooling?
ben_vulpes: it's complicated.
ben_vulpes: but in the meantime, must tend to $bezzlecorp, meatwot, $product, fambly etc.
ben_vulpes: the list of onanistic projects is bounded only by one's imagination, savvy?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: write a curriculum, write incorporation docs for the federated states of cascadia, tango, the odd simulation problem that's been nagging, low-profile nearly-submersibles...
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1351342 << note how only one of the reinderps are actually doing any work
ben_vulpes dreams of the popescuian luxury of time
ben_vulpes: oh more tail risk explosions?
ben_vulpes really off now.
ben_vulpes: well git's head is only branch relative non?
ben_vulpes: no, that's the root.
ben_vulpes: adlai: invent it!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger, ty, loud and clear.
ben_vulpes: adlai: just don't b42 it yo
ben_vulpes: roger
ben_vulpes only online for the duration of this particular bloody mary
ben_vulpes: if i press with a head P that has antecedents Q, R, S, must my press *only* include the descendant P of Q, R, and S? or *all* descendants of Q, R, S? or all descendants of any of Q, R and S?
ben_vulpes: i seek to understand better what same-tree-level means
ben_vulpes: a patch may have multiple antecedents, correct?
ben_vulpes: let me double-check some baseline conclusions first
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shall i restate the question?
ben_vulpes: perhaps this is what confused me
ben_vulpes: my question was determining what patches make it into a pressing.
ben_vulpes: ask punkman, not me.
ben_vulpes: up yrs neckbeard
ben_vulpes: yo asciilifeform can you comment on 'press' thread?
ben_vulpes unimpress
ben_vulpes: not under nine thousand
ben_vulpes: ty kakobrekla, much appreciated
ben_vulpes does not waste pixels on voice status
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: are you voiced now?
ben_vulpes: wait, workz now?
ben_vulpes: oh god. damnit. assbot.
ben_vulpes: !up asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: goddamnit adlai do you know how much miserable code i have to read?
ben_vulpes pulls up a --
ben_vulpes: what was the /point/ though? and the story behind its conception?
ben_vulpes: adlai: didn't you work on the thing extensively?
ben_vulpes: punkman: but for a given "press"ed source tree /there can only be a single head/, per the implementations that i'm looking at.
ben_vulpes: the act of pressing only allows for a single head, regardless of whatever other patches exist.
ben_vulpes: whatever the user supplies for pressing, non?
ben_vulpes could have had a whole bottle of nieto sentenier for what this single glass cost
ben_vulpes: <punkman> imagine you have 10 heads, and you choose 3. the only way to press is to find the antecedents of those 3. << i don't actually disagree with this, i simply do not think that the design of v allows for multiple heads. do cite me something to the contrary if you're aware of any.
ben_vulpes: good ol' define-by-impl
ben_vulpes: i'm no perlspurt but mod6's only appears to press a single head as well punkman
ben_vulpes cracks mod6's v to inspect for multiheadpressing
ben_vulpes: nono, pyv only pressed a single head.
ben_vulpes: did pyv press multiple heads?!
ben_vulpes: and i ain't git either.
ben_vulpes: nigga please, i only have one head.
ben_vulpes: or life, who can tell
ben_vulpes may be experiencing a weekend of retardation
ben_vulpes: what?! how can there be more than a single head
ben_vulpes: 2) press all same-leaf patches
ben_vulpes: 1) only press the head patch in question (this is how i wrote my press)
ben_vulpes: there are only 2 ways to guarantee that that i see:
ben_vulpes: has to press the same tree as any other v given the same head
ben_vulpes: well, by stan's criteria.
ben_vulpes: minimal doesn't work i don't think
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai what was the story with 'sheeple'?
ben_vulpes: rebooting an old thread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323387: asciilifeform: since a patch has multiple antecedents, would an accurate description of the correct patch-selection algo for press be something along the lines of "given a patch, find its antecedents. presssed version must contain the descendants of all of those antecedents."?
ben_vulpes: not from here, thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: "Upgrade to El Capitan"
ben_vulpes: there is a new file in /Applications
ben_vulpes: wahahahah oh ho
ben_vulpes: > plug their shortfall
ben_vulpes: is there reason to suspect that insta-disconnecting nodes will achieve anything rather than queuing the disconnector up for a reconnection shortly?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how aggressively do disconnected nodes attempt to reconnect?
ben_vulpes: some girls, at first...
ben_vulpes: long overdue in any case.
ben_vulpes: easy come easy go
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.shinohai.1:3a59134afe01c07de8fa56f34dd89ab3f3b572c8d9cdae951a8dc812620ca0fd
ben_vulpes: !rate shinohai 1 trb scout
ben_vulpes: i am going to go do the dishes, rageclean, watch a movie and bask in the cutefield.
ben_vulpes: fuck computers
ben_vulpes: like everything tonight.
ben_vulpes: interface isn't precisely self-consistent, no.
ben_vulpes: assbot doesn't even give me a useful complaint.
ben_vulpes: what is it? 24 hours?
ben_vulpes: no, the auth timeout.
ben_vulpes: excuse me?
ben_vulpes: !down ith
ben_vulpes: the year of microsft's victory, apparently ith.
ben_vulpes: crlf is in the fucking spec?!
ben_vulpes: fuck this
ben_vulpes: Finally, there is the form submission value. It is normalized so that line breaks use U+000D CARRIAGE RETURN U+000A LINE FEED (CRLF) character pairs
ben_vulpes: oh ho god no
ben_vulpes: "For historical reasons, the element's value is normalised in three different ways for three different purposes."
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2015#1353741 << if i'm reading this thread correctly, this problem is directly traceable to tools used to jam ascii into dpaste.com et al?
ben_vulpes: not i
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