trinque: my first step was to enumerate the wads of ??? needed
diana_coman: trinque: I suppose I don't *understand* the incrementalism you see there; because there isn't something I can follow "from this genesis he did this vpatch cutting that out etc"
trinque: we did exactly "here are the filthy deps we don't understand and will probably abandon" in trb, recall
diana_coman: I don't want curl in the genesis, lolz
trinque: mk, so anything we don't feel like reading we just cram into the genesis for our children to swim in
diana_coman: trinque: not cleaned no, not swearing either; hence mp_en_viaje 's earlier observation that I'm not vpatching but genesising and those are different precisely because genesis is a place to start (be it a wad of shit) not "this thing I can swear to "
trinque: diana_coman: did you yet read, understand, clean, and swear to the foregoing re: curl?
asciilifeform: atm trinque afaik is the only 1 who went deep enuff into the portage guts to know the detail
trinque: there are several changes to portage that'd have to happen before it's going to build any src you make part of that tree
trinque: "fuck you I deal only in platonic ideals" is not a way of interfacing with the world
trinque: I told you what work would be necessary to make having the src in the tree do anything in the last thread.
diana_coman: so how do you suggest to start? because even if I have this ebuild, I can't patch it because effectively, no sources so what am I patching exactly, just the ebuild script? how does that help?
trinque: moreover it would've been great to have someone raise this objection when I was posting alphas of the thing for months
diana_coman: trinque: the trouble is that you need to start from somewhere and that somewhere is "this wad of shit"
trinque: my intent here was to have the vtree read as a history of the items as they have been understood, not as "here's the wad of shit diana_coman needed one day so we put it all in and signed it"
trinque: in light of years of threads on the subj.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 05:42 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923443 << but of course. once precious cuntlet ends up importent into any process flow, you know for a fact it won't get undone willingly -- it's either burn it down or forget about it. (pc is this thing, you've surely seen it, the dumb chick who thinks she's got a "career" out of "following 3 ring binder". the exact other half of the dumb chick who thinks "nobody can call her a slut" because she's dressing poorly
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 05:37 mp_en_viaje: the problem with your stance is tha tthey do not want your custom.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: in case you need it: the domain name for it is younghands.club
diana_coman: I mean ofc mp-wp there.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: make me a shared hosting account with wp installed please; bill it for one year and let me know if there's something else you need from me
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mp_en_viaje: in other such, cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/odd.html now dead.
mp_en_viaje: and what hapened's 100% what happened with "nearly free speech", linux and everyone else : they "upgraded", thereby breaking the abi, thereby destroying history -- because obviously the dead don't chase updates.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 08:12 mp_en_viaje: so since thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside, there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded the list.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 << meanwhile the cause for this was discovered : yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/yahoo/yahoo-min.js yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/event/event-min.js yui.yahooapis.com/2.5.2/build/connection/connection-min.js all 404 ; so whatever's your timeout that's how long pages take to spuriously load.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:19 asciilifeform: possibly with granular billing ('femtobitcoin per cpu cycle' even, or the like) or not, but in principle possible.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923475 << aha, i recall this part of the orig. discussions
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:11 trinque: yes, now graft in the src as territory is actually captured
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923467 << it can not be "graft the src as territory is actually captured". it has to be "graft all the src in, start capturing among it".
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923463 << this being why the wot system even exists : so ten dozen different worms can work together, digest mysql codebase or w/e, and produce a usable item. which yes, once it's made can be re-genesised into sanity and we can safely forget the name mysql. but until then, work.
mp_en_viaje: When version 5.6 is removed, I will have to pack up and leave. By imposing these changes, you will have lost a customer of 12 years. And probably not only one." says exactly the same thing.
mp_en_viaje: in fact, the above is actually happening ~even today~ : "
mp_en_viaje: and so, given that we've decided "something like the item will have to exist" and also "the actual item may be just as good a starting point as anything, and in any case better than pen, blank paper, and alf's scheduler", thus therefore it follows, mandatorily and undisputably, that there will be a bunch of large genesises.
mp_en_viaje: because that's the very correlate of republic, and of selectivity and of changing the world, as opposed to social club.
mp_en_viaje: IF one does not want gb sized ~genesis~, then ONE MUST NOT USE THE ITEM. yes, usage against this is tolerated against. but the day will come when it's "sorry, your X can not interop with republic, either get rid of it or get lost yourself". and i fucking mean that, too, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow, but it will fucking happen.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923461 << gb size PATCH yes, and is forbidden. GB sized GENESIS not the same thing at all. plox to not confuse vpatch and genesis! patch says, "this is a change i'm making to an item, plox judge ~the change~. not the item. the item is taken for granted". gensis says, "this is an item i'm proposing ; please judge it".
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 03:08 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923105 << I followed the same model for depwads that don't belong to the republic as was followed in the trb build toolchain.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923456 << yes but trb was last worked upon i dun even recall, 2015 ? when we decided we have to fix everything else first. in between then and now, medical science made some progress
mp_en_viaje: the fact that young girls do this a lot more than young boys, these days, is the principal reason of white man culture failure, btw.
mp_en_viaje: rather decided to matasareanu herself all over the altar of her precious cuntlet mattering in the world.
mp_en_viaje: eg -- some "self-serve" items will do table service for me, some will come over to tell me i gotta go to them, and run into the "you already walked here, now take out your pen". 100% DO NOT take out the pen, because if the precious cuntlet's dumb enough to actually march over to whine at me about her incronssequential worldview failing in practice, she's sure as fuck not about to drop it. she's
mp_en_viaje: this is rather why i don't really deal with entities unwilling to go outside of their standard flow, it's like an initial test. because if they don't, i know what they are, and well...
mp_en_viaje: had you said "undo your process for my sake" at any point, you'd have discovered the same thing.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923447 << so did linus. the problem with the behaviour standard is that pantsuit aligned agent can appear to behave sanely for lack of actual testing for any arbitrary length of time. eg, my clay pot also has behaved sanely as hammer for lo these past 3 weeks -- principally because i've not had need of any hammers 3 weeks straight.
mp_en_viaje: the problem, of course, is that b) is still a slut, just, a very shitty one ; and a) still doesn't have a career, she just also doesn't have any friends.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-19 02:30 asciilifeform: aaand their reply .
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-19#1923443 << but of course. once precious cuntlet ends up importent into any process flow, you know for a fact it won't get undone willingly -- it's either burn it down or forget about it. (pc is this thing, you've surely seen it, the dumb chick who thinks she's got a "career" out of "following 3 ring binder". the exact other half of the dumb chick who thinks "nobody can call her a slut" because she's dressing poorly
mp_en_viaje: see the dudes standing around ? "userbase". "so how come you have no money ?" "ins'allah"
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje or other serious brain tells me why it's a stupid idea, i'ma listen. but atm i suspect it is necessary and inescapable.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 17:28 girlattorney: well the prices are a high for my budget, will check if here there somebody that want to group buy a node in uruguay to split the cost
asciilifeform: would like to offer heathens a) fully isolated linuxen b) at competitive cost. so far erryone in meat wot to whom showed piz rate sheet, replied something in vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922858 .
asciilifeform: and i refuse to use heathen virtualizers, where 9000 remote 0day are found erry month.
asciilifeform: possibly with granular billing ('femtobitcoin per cpu cycle' even, or the like) or not, but in principle possible.
asciilifeform: trinque: the idea is, i want to emplace turnkey 'tx clears and you have root' 'virtual' service at piz. with cuntoo.
trinque: diana_coman: might not even be that hard to replace the unpacking step in emerge with some "copy from pressed vtree" step
asciilifeform: the unsolved puzzlers, for that experiment, are, in order of pain : 1) buildroot w/ musl 2) 100% gcc-4.7 process 3) nic emulation .
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 14:10 asciilifeform: the current kernel is <2MB. and prolly trimmable further. boot to shell in 3sec or so.
trinque: yes, now graft in the src as territory is actually captured
trinque: cuntoo genesis is raaaather tiny, and was intended to express what's necessary to capture
trinque: I also think you folks vastly underestimate the amount of labor that's going to take.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923105 << I followed the same model for depwads that don't belong to the republic as was followed in the trb build toolchain.
asciilifeform would've bought older unit, but those come with the mold pre-installed! sorta like buying used toothbrush, imho.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 21:57 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in envirowhinerism noose : asciilifeform uncrated a 'window' type air conditioner to help in torture room; and found 1) cost ~2x than last time bought one 2) plastered with 'explosion hazard' warnings. apparently europistan banned ~all~ freons, new-type, old type, and as result EVERYONE gets cooling compressors fulla... butane. 3) internal insulation is... styrofoam. the white,
asciilifeform: in other lulzy orc tech: that lolconditioner apparently has even moar interesting misfeature : no drain. yes. exhaust fan has paddle that is supposed to throw water from condensate pan through the hot-end grille. (i.e. sounds at all times like running faucet. and , reportedly, guaranteed to grow black mold and eventually leak into room... )
BingoBoingo: The surprise is that they did not simply say node.js or fuck you, to be discovered when their announcement in the form of a leaded chicom dildo materializes on your front stoop
BingoBoingo: The NFS folks marketed a weird and persisted in man-aloning
asciilifeform: most precious, 'As for WordPress, if your claim is that modern versions of WordPress are somehow less secure than older versions, that's also objectively incorrect, as shown by their release history and the number of fixes for security issues known to exist in older versions.' didjaknow !
asciilifeform: aaand their reply .
asciilifeform: it's almost as if they don't like money.
asciilifeform: so there aint even to where send hate mail.
asciilifeform: motherfuckers removed all human support, also, 'unless pay subscription, 30 $ up-front + 5/mo'
asciilifeform put in what loox like a working workaround. if anyone sees barf , plox to write in. and will have to move the thing, i suspect, sooner than expected.
asciilifeform: sooooo... loox like all things die. and nfs hosting co finally went fullbore stupid. asciilifeform's www is hosed, they 'upgraded' php forcibly.
BingoBoingo awaits the rum fountain article's annotations
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mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, apparently there does exist a neuroleptic that promotes weight loss rather than gain (molindone). had nfi.
asciilifeform: ( funnily enuff , these same featured in the 'glove incident'. so occasionally 'in vivo' tested inadvertently.. )
asciilifeform: ( in some industrial applications -- actually do not know in advance. in usa there is a 'national library of compounds' , coupla million synthetic rubbishes that literally no one had even fed to amoeba, much less to man. at one time asciilifeform's work consisted of uncrating $compound-of-the-day and brute force testing in vitro. but afaik dope people do not work from 'library', but from old 'mature tech' . )
asciilifeform: aa aaa the prev thrd
mp_en_viaje: eg, i can'd my own brain earlier, by taking a sulpha rather than having a cold.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, sure, can. but can doesn't scale to will, and you ALWAYS know the difference.
BingoBoingo: Unless the subject looks like Buck Angel, the man with a pussy or transmayogender... safe assumption is trans means pseudochick
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is in the linked, archived piece
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> how does make 'sex scandal' with faux chix..? << Faux chicks create drama over the attention they aren't getting
BingoBoingo: Neither did I
asciilifeform: ( the typical g_l, as i understand, aint 'watchmaker elephant' , tho, but rather ordinary elephant. but this is possibly separate point. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: imho the hammer analogy is poor, tho -- i've 'optimized cpu' with... grinder (polish heat sink), other folx -- with liquid n2, etc. 'barbaric' manipulation can in some cases optimize fine mechanism . for some value of optimize.
mp_en_viaje: anyways. in other news ima be having brunch with phf tomorrow, if anyone wants me to hit him in the head for any reason let me know, i hear he's partly incapacitated anyway so it's the right time.
mp_en_viaje: i think it was a 2015-2016 era item, possibly involving g_l either personally or in being
a111: Logged on 2017-04-11 00:14 mircea_popescu: cocaine is the eminent example. it FEELS like it does things to you. it does not therefore HELP.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, do you happen to recall the discussion re psychoactives, where i was like "whatever, trying to optimize your kernel by hitting cpyu with large hammer"
asciilifeform: 'An anonymous complaint was submitted to the MIT Bitcoin Expo in March for allowing Todd to speak' << 'по просьбе трудящихся'(tm)(r) !
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Another
asciilifeform: and wasn't isidora whatever the same chix who took Framedragger down to bottom of the sea ?
BingoBoingo: ^ In what the power rangers are up to (Living in terror of the XY Pink Ranger, Vivir in Mierda(TM)(R))
BingoBoingo: Seems like a work oriented take on http://trilema.com/2014/the-boy-blog-network/
diana_coman: basically if they aren't yet old enough to have their blog fine, they can share the classroom blog, what
BingoBoingo: mp-wp has a user management feature. As long as they are interacting with the shared account through mp-wp they shouldn't be setting up irc bouncers to draw aggro by evangelizing Pantsuited tonterias
diana_coman: basically the non-discussion but reporting thing
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: no, not in preference; but so they write there their "I plan this; I did this; here's what is wrong and what is fine"
diana_coman: cool stuff, thank you BingoBoingo ; I'll give this a bit more thought to figure out if blog is best or enough but in principle it seems I'll have to park young new hands somewhere public so they can do their homework and atm I'm considering a shared account on Pizarro - would this be ok with Pizarro or do you see some problem with it/would rather not?
mp_en_viaje: well, i;m writing, but that notwithstanding, the answer's generally gonna be "read some stuff"
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform does the mp-wp install on a shared account with pizarro work with multiple authors?
asciilifeform gotta go and do chore; girlattorney : mp_en_viaje can answer most of these q's much better than i, supposing he has time atm .
asciilifeform: girlattorney: mp_en_viaje covered the subj in very pedantic detail.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: the supposed 'need' is 100% manufactured psyop, yes.
girlattorney: asciilifeform, about the blocksize once again: is there a real need on increasing over 1MB? since every "consensus" then create political debate with one horseman speaking for many, wouldn't be on the safe side just stay conservative till fees don't skyrocket permanently?
asciilifeform: girlattorney: there is not an escape from 'need wot'. consider, you had to get the proggy from somewhere.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: my current personal node was synced from-empty in '17, and running 24/7 since. (prior -- dead ssd. prior -- another 2y of continuous operation.)
girlattorney: if you have no wot, and you are on your own, and you rely on the goodwill of the republican nodes, currently you wait 28 nodes
asciilifeform: the other side of the medal, is that a trb node spends only small portion of its life in initial sync.
asciilifeform: the 'reject peers sending garbage' mechanism is also mine. trb did not always have it. i submitted it for inclusion to mod6's flagship after determining that it results in substantially improved performance across the board (i.e. peers sending bloomism are, statistically, an unlikely source of the-next-block)
asciilifeform: girlattorney: there is not currently such a knob. no one has felt pressing desire for it; if you wanna submit patch -- folx will read.
asciilifeform: ( not to mention, even when relaying actual bitcoin blocks & tx, blows gigatonnes of bandwidth on nonsense inserted by wreckers as prelude to their bigblockism scheme of '15 , e.g. bloomism )
a111: Logged on 2018-10-30 18:16 asciilifeform: more interestingly, there was even 1 of 10/30/18 17:05:41 ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED from peer 213.148.193.153
asciilifeform: the obvious cost is somewhat slower from-empty-disk sync. cuz, naturally, nao you can only process block in strict order.
girlattorney: asciilifeform that's nice to hear, so it has been kept simple for the sake of security, correct?
girlattorney: asciilifeform i'm aware of the fast sync part. Just saying that when i sync a node i actually get data from other prb nodes. I'm not getting garbage or errors, and I think (not being technically able unfortunately) that you could modify prb to verify all the blocks, and eventually discard the excess if I reecived them in sprayed order
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:52 asciilifeform: trb, unlike prb, does not accept blocks 'on credit' (i.e. ones for whom the antecedent block is not yet on the disk)
BingoBoingo: <girlattorney> but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes << During initial sync trb wants to receive blocks in order while core will intentionally spray blocks out of order
girlattorney: so i can effectively say that i'm receiving blocks from other nodes, they aren't just connecting and stay silent. They are sending me blocks.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: 'core' (aka prb) when bootstrapping, asks randomly selected peer for 'headers' and eats'em on faith. afterwards does same with blocks (none of which it bothers to actually verify, in the traditional sense)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I notice when I drop the version number down enough I'll get a wider number of version strings in my peerslist
girlattorney: but i could argue with this: when i do bootstrap a core node, it actually get fed from other core nodes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: fwiw none of the nodes i've operated were ever set to masquerade as prb (other than in the 0.9999... aspect)
asciilifeform: answr to given puzzle is very simple -- most of the supposed btc net, consists not of nodes, but of equivalent to sand in engine's crankcase.
BingoBoingo: Playing with the version string on a TRB node is the fastest and simplest way to change the sorts of peers your node encounters in the wild
asciilifeform: girlattorney: simple logical inference (there's a number of publicly advertised trb nodes; most of'em agree with heathendom re the height) points to : no, not 'only with themselves' dunnit.
girlattorney: i was asking about where a TRB node fetch the blocks, if all of the TRB nodes are only interconnected with themselves
a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 11:19 mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, your notion of identity is not adequate for the situation you're dealing with.
girlattorney: mp_en_viaje i'm re-reading the messages, what do you mean by saying this? http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922517
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asciilifeform: girlattorney: that's half the story, yes. other half it that it's ~100MB of unauditable obfuscated-c liquishit.
girlattorney: asciilifeform i know that it's centralized. A couple of CA that runs the game
BingoBoingo: girlattorney: It's been a while since I looked into it, but I believe if the version string on a peer is greater than X, they insist on SSL'ing
asciilifeform: girlattorney: are you familiar with the actual purpose of sslism ?
girlattorney: BingoBoingo can you rephrase about tunneling? Do you mean they use ssl to connect?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lol, hearn's old thing , the cocktail where tried to slip heartbleed in
BingoBoingo: Also recent NSAware nodes insist on encrypted tunneling to connect to other nodes
girlattorney: but let's say the following: you get a core (prb) node, you set a minrelaytxfee very high, so you don't propagate at all, just include what new blocks have because you have to (to stay up to date)
BingoBoingo: "To the network, PseudoNode behaves the same way as a full node by relaying transactions, blocks, addresses, etc. However, unlike a normal full node, PseudoNode does not verify data (txs & blocks) itself. Rather, PseudoNode relies on neighboring peers (with configurable confidence levels) to do the verification on PseudoNode's behalf. As a result, PseudoNode is very lightweight."
asciilifeform: ( other half of problem is -- miners mining w/out actual working node. but this is elaborated in the logs, will not repeat )
asciilifeform: and 99,999...% of their cpu cycles spent rejecting rubbish from the 9000 'nodes' running nsaware.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: problem, as such, is that right now there are maybe two dozen btc nodes (actual, working ones, w/out segshitness etc) and most of'em belong to the folx here.
girlattorney: Also, what's the problem in the nodes not being rewarded from being just nodes? If I want to run a serious business I'll need a node, otherwise i can stick with a third party wallet such as primedice or deedbot
asciilifeform: girlattorney: older article re subj, with illustration of the business end of the punishment weapon.
mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, nobody asked them anything ; not in 2013, not in 2016, not now and not for the foreseeavble future.
BingoBoingo: girlattorney: You aren't missing much. The protocol isn't changing any time soon for reasons largely explained by handicaps inflicted by Mandarin language's tendency to try insulating against the future.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, anyone recall the 1918 narkomprod trying to "organise the peasants" into an orange revolution, only to discover that, contrary to marxism-leninism, poor peasants do not actually hate rich peasants ; not to mention have exactly the same interests.
girlattorney: but i see the article is from 2016
girlattorney: From the article i read "In any case, a word to the wise : if you are designing ASIC chips, and you are not including the possibility of feeding a bitfield like this in blocks, you are deliberately ensuring failure not just for yourself, but for your customers as well. This change WILL eventually come in, start planning accordingly, today. ["
asciilifeform: girlattorney: see mp_en_viaje's http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ .
girlattorney: and is there a consensus about how much it should be raised?
girlattorney: another question that i think belong here. Tried to read the logs but haven't found enough clarity. When Bitcoin should scale the blocksize?
mp_en_viaje: the lordship.
girlattorney: just like the one that i posted repeated till half MB
girlattorney: i disabled the swap by not having it
girlattorney: i determine the writes using iotop
girlattorney: the pc is mine
asciilifeform: ditch the virtualhosting thing.
asciilifeform: girlattorney: if this were in fact the case, my ssd would live for a week and not 2yrs.
girlattorney: bdb sits the index on disk, that's ok, but i got the impression that to archive 1MB it needs to write like 1GB
asciilifeform: re writes, bdb sits the index on disk, so naturally writes
asciilifeform: by how many behind ? and from where do you know the current height ?
girlattorney: and the amount of writes that TRB does with or without swap is insane
girlattorney: yes, still don't be able to catch the latest blocks
asciilifeform: girlattorney: didja read the log re subj ?
asciilifeform: girlattorney: post the garbage ?
girlattorney: and even if i was stuck a dozen of blocks behind the general block height, the connection with the other peers was still present, just producing garbage in debug.log
girlattorney: every pal listed on thebitcoin.foundation
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asciilifeform: at some pt somebody's gonna have to audit a snapshot of bin gnat. which wouldja rather ?
asciilifeform: or the nightmare of endianized byte-addressing permitted in ~every~ inst that refs mem. ( again x86. )
asciilifeform: ftr i want to see x86 and arm die , properly, and cremated, they belong in same place as winblows. srsly wtf, picture 'alphabet' of 700 symbols, that's x86..
a111: Logged on 2019-07-18 04:09 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
mp_en_viaje: much like viktor vs anatoli situation, come to think of it.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923146 << sad fact of the matter, ballas has significant advantage over naggum on purely procedural grounds -- had enough fucking sense to make himself blog.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 16:38 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923088 << the circular situation of gnat , where 'need gnat to build gnat', is the third reason for the mips approach -- arch with 100 fixed-length instructions, simplify the eventual rewriting of backend so can ditch gcc dep.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923138 << yep, it's what's inhibiting my otherwise natural and arguably required "holy shit wtf is this weird, stop now" reaction.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trilema lotto .
BingoBoingo: Anyways, Petrobras just ended their dispute with the local trabajadores by dumping the piped gas network on the government
BingoBoingo: Just the LPG thing really took off here
BingoBoingo: They are here for sure
BingoBoingo: I'm rather surprised the primus thing isn't a more common artifact down here. They are around, but I guess most of the kerosene goes to the airport.
a111: Logged on 2019-06-27 13:48 asciilifeform: on top of this, add the fact that sovok was really 4 separate items, as diff. as e.g. roman 'kings' period vs republic vs empire : 1) lenin epoch 2) stalin 3) hrusch 4) 'stagnation' and wrap-up.
asciilifeform: interestingly, the use of flammable refrigerants was specifically banned in building codes. errywhere. holdover from early 1900s. today -- amended, and... mandatory
BingoBoingo: The styrofoam bit sucks though
a111: Logged on 2018-09-02 16:51 asciilifeform: it isn't any moar outrageous than the butane-filled refrigerator BingoBoingo found himself with
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in envirowhinerism noose : asciilifeform uncrated a 'window' type air conditioner to help in torture room; and found 1) cost ~2x than last time bought one 2) plastered with 'explosion hazard' warnings. apparently europistan banned ~all~ freons, new-type, old type, and as result EVERYONE gets cooling compressors fulla... butane. 3) internal insulation is... styrofoam. the white,
BingoBoingo: I think I've found peak self important Argentine derpery: https://archive.is/wRbNu 1. Expecting Uruguay to act agaisnt a fishing vessel Argentina doesn't like because Argentina's charges against the boat are "public knowledge" though entirely domestic to Argentina. 2. Sticking to the Malvinas and trying to insist Uruguay derp with them over some British sheep islands not named New Zealand.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/%d0%a3%d1%81%d1%85%d0%be%d0%b4%d0%bd%d1%96%d1%8f-%d0%bc%d0%be%d0%b3%d1%96%d0%bb%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d0%b0%d1%81%d0%ba%d0%be%d1%9e%d1%81%d0%ba%d1%96-%d0%9c%d1%96%d0%bd%d1%81%d0%ba-aka-the-eastern-cem/#comment-129893 << ther.
bvt: re korzhen, his son's www has english version of the story http://www.korzhan.art/biography.html
bvt: hello. I will try to finish the ffa work from the workplan over next two days. i had some meatspace interference that stole a few work hours.
mp_en_viaje: shoe-sized table works for well understood processes, and even there kinda...
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 16:03 asciilifeform: separate q is whether such a thing can be considered 'human-readable' tho.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923130 << thing is, until we put the cowhide on the table, we don't really know wtf is even wanted or needed
diana_coman imagines asciilifeform-ghost coming back purely to read the adnotated loper-os.org
asciilifeform: interesting architectural approach, also, 2 cpu, 1 runs a unixlike, the other -- a handwritten asm thing that actually talks to the iron, and presents self as 'iron' to the unixturd
asciilifeform: incidentally, seems like asciilifeform is not the 1st or the 100th to think of this : turned up that in ru, from early 2000s, and entirely unrelated to the hyped 'elbrus' & co, they've been making rad-hard realtime box 'baget' on mips1.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 14:56 mod6: I created one for ave1s musltronic tools (which won't fit the bill yet, because of circular dep. of GNAT), one for diana_coman's Vtools (which may not fit the bill 100% either, yet), and one for TRB.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923088 << the circular situation of gnat , where 'need gnat to build gnat', is the third reason for the mips approach -- arch with 100 fixed-length instructions, simplify the eventual rewriting of backend so can ditch gcc dep.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 14:36 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922965 << this wasn't the original hardware ; merely emulated on contemporary hardware. dood had a terminal open on his modern pc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923078 << fwiw good % of the 'working moving parts' of usa work on these. e.g. certain insurance co's, other items personally witnessed. 'where is the proggy' 'right here, runs vt100 emu, connects to ibm360 downstairs'
a111: Logged on 2019-07-17 14:30 mp_en_viaje: i'm waiting for you to die, in any case. then will loper-os.org. adnotated.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-7-things-to-expect-in-our-brave-new-world-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thel....com - 7 Things To Expect In Our Brave New World. Adnotated.
asciilifeform: separate q is whether such a thing can be considered 'human-readable' tho.
mp_en_viaje: we will not be designing buildings by the hammers available.
mp_en_viaje: there is NO WAY AROUND THIS
asciilifeform: will add, all of this doesn't even close the circle unless also genesis gcc.
asciilifeform: the other variant is to do a la trb, genesis e.g. 3.70.16 (arbitrary, happens to be what i had around during 1st test) and ~then~ cut, a la trb. but it is gargantuan , would make trb genesis look microscopic in comparison, viewing the genesis patch in e.g. phf's viewer will prolly crash most www browser..
a111: Logged on 2019-06-22 21:52 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i described this in the orig ifdefism thread. the solution is to stop pretending that coad worx on boxen where no one in living memory had ever tested it and signed.
asciilifeform: ( 'them' being tmsr-mips-kernel and tmsrmips.asm )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: currently thinking, oughta genesis'em together. ( and at same time snip out errything from kernel that aint relevant to the sim-arch. ) and ~then~ if someone thinks he absolutely must sit down said kernel on some other irons , ~he~ can then put back the necessary routines.
mp_en_viaje: and, as imo republican experience has well shown any and all, way the fuck better a firm answer, even if turns out mistaken and has to be chanced, than no answer.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, myeah. but the "nao which" must be answered.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: had same thought re that kernel patch -- wtf to do with it, it aint a vpatch, nao need genesis of kernel, so then which, etc
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the "include source in vpatch" is not merely re dependency, it's also "how do i meaningfully patch against absent code ?" and even "how the fuck am i supposed to display this ??"
mp_en_viaje: we need to stress the vtree toolchain into sufficiency anyway.
mod6: Yes, it ~should~ depend on the musltronic_tools ebuild, it does need more testing though to ensure I have the proper useage of RDEPEND. Yeah, I did see the earlier discussion of including the source; I agree with that,
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: his is just the ebuild aka no sources; the ebuild downloads the source from my site so in this sense yes, it'll always be there
mp_en_viaje: mod6, didn't run into diana_coman 's cuntoo genesis problem then ?
diana_coman: at any rate, the current discussion is re including the source in the vpatch and being done with it since otherwise the ebuild by itself is no guarantee that "it'll always be there"
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1923053 - funnily enough not even *just* the playing; kid pleaded and asked so in the end got him through ~20 lines of Ada doing a little "guess the number" text-game and he's more hooked to mess around with it than with heroes because obv "can look inside"
diana_coman: mod6: mine so far would be "curl" alone so perfectly fine alongside yours since you say you are doing much heavier lifting there
mod6: The idea being, once we're moved over to cuntoo, using keccak vtools & a keccak trb vtree, then the Foundation can go back to discussion of various patches that have been waiting in the lobby for some time.