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ben_vulpes: it's a joke!
ben_vulpes: "read everything on the mailing list and call me in the morning"
ben_vulpes: think they're going to try the sterile males trick?
ben_vulpes: (and the wget 0day!)
ben_vulpes: phf: is this mod6's svgerator or your own?
ben_vulpes: yeah, messy.
ben_vulpes: aha, that's what i thought!
ben_vulpes: rather than including procurement of deps in the build scripts, force users to actually download the deps themselves.
ben_vulpes: idem for the vpatches.
ben_vulpes: a small step to the disc would be to slam buildroot, openssl, bdb and boost into a tar.gz and stick it on the website.
ben_vulpes: i'm with stan, fwiw.
ben_vulpes: or rather, i'd like that.
ben_vulpes: we should really do a bsd, and sell the discs for a bitdime each.
ben_vulpes: tres nervous.
ben_vulpes: (reminds me a bit of the "check every return code" naggum line)
ben_vulpes: eyy, mod6 so i just spun up v.pl on a new box and despite wget not being installed v.pl still claims successful sync
ben_vulpes: i am unconvinced that the six months have been paid, or that if they have any impression has been made.
ben_vulpes: first: node.js. second: "naw, vpatches are for faggots". third: 2.5kloc patch degendering reference implementation log statements.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388910 << and to think i was trying to gently guide the keyid in question to enlightenment
ben_vulpes: but black is the only acceptable dry-erase color.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389171 << i have floor-to-ceiling mirrors, on which i use expos liberally for maths lessons for the girl and alphabet lessons for the kid
ben_vulpes: mod6 and trinque as well
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform in particular
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2016#1389544 << i would also dearly like to hear about the setups people have in place for hacking on this codebase
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389489 << would it make sense to do this with edge-per-file and filenames on the edges?
ben_vulpes: oh phf this is lovely
ben_vulpes: saying "no" to a hundred thousand dollars from Conde Nast is worth approximately 5x the bezzlebuxx in question.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1389453 << let me tell you, the look of astonishment, disbelief, and 'omg my priors' on $admingurl's face when i told her i valued publishing the ssl piece under my own name so highly that no terrestrial rag could afford to buy it from me was udderly priceless
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski 'hysterical raisins'!
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell cazalla hey you
ben_vulpes: b. n.
ben_vulpes: nifty phf
ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: unless it's the magic bits to dump the launch codes back down the pipe
ben_vulpes: (unrelated: www.northofreality.com/tales/2016/1/27/wealth-appreciation)
ben_vulpes: their blog has even gone to spamseed
ben_vulpes: as did i
ben_vulpes: it looked better than prb back in the day
ben_vulpes: anyways.
ben_vulpes: and deserves more of a place in the lgos.
ben_vulpes: it was inadequately articulated for my taste.
ben_vulpes: automation is productive waste.
ben_vulpes: it is the hole through which distraction slips in and focus dribbles out.
ben_vulpes: the fifteen second interruption has mega cognitive costs.
ben_vulpes: just wait the thirty seconds randomly five times per event, having a spare on hand will never pay off.
ben_vulpes: a whole gurl just to supply extra canes in case yours hangs?!
ben_vulpes: but the w4ste!
ben_vulpes: spur* of the moment exercise.
ben_vulpes: programming similarly is not a supur of the moment.
ben_vulpes: running cane - demands pause.
ben_vulpes: no - /in session/.
ben_vulpes: you'd probably snap the thing in half
ben_vulpes: imagine you have to wait for your cane to become useful for a minute randomly during a beating
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2016#1388601 << /me is astonished this needed articulating
ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: these lisp tentacles are rather spiffy
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: do i still fail to make myself clear?
ben_vulpes: removing dead code is good, far better than rewriting the log lines. just split it out so that it can be reviewed seperately from the two thousand five hundred and ninety odd other lines of that patch.
ben_vulpes: definitely split the actual muntzing out into its own patch instead of complecting it with the rest of the work. i might be able to read and meditate on that patch.
ben_vulpes: he also wanted to tabbify the whole thing
ben_vulpes: "this 2.6kloc patch rewrites every log line in the reference implementation, in support of further work i'm doing on" etc etc
ben_vulpes: hell, submit it to the ml for posterity, i believe you have the wot rating for that.
ben_vulpes: yeah, sure
ben_vulpes: you realize this is a 3kloc patch.
ben_vulpes: the problem with a patch of this size is that my face wearies of reading myriad log lines changed for seemingly aesthetic reasons, and i fear that even a close read will miss an underhanded c contestant.
ben_vulpes: what you want to reconstruct full state at any point in time?
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with gdb
ben_vulpes: one develops a sense for what happens where in the codebase watching logs.
ben_vulpes: and for what it's worth i actually like seeing the function names in the logs. i know i could just grep for the log messages, but it's another way to get familiar with the codebase.
ben_vulpes: that is a lot of delta to review for i don't precisely know what value
ben_vulpes: this'd probably be best delivered as 2 vpatches: one where you rearrange the deck chairs in the log messages, and another where you muntz out the rotator
ben_vulpes: what does snet in a printf mean?
ben_vulpes: AND I SHALL LOL
ben_vulpes: repubtards are gonna say "los federales gunned down a confused old man stumbling around in the snow!"
ben_vulpes: libruls are gonna say "he was endangering a good honest policeman!"
ben_vulpes: unless they shot him before 9:30 his hands are at his waist
ben_vulpes: look closer, danielpbarron, watch like three more times
ben_vulpes: things get interesting around https://youtu.be/aAGxDWKrjPQ?t=562
ben_vulpes: ugh mircea_popescu's line about software only working at a point in time is so entirely fucking timely
ben_vulpes: the WHOLE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD is conspiring to rip the rug out from otherwise entirely stable software
ben_vulpes: arcane linker errors coming from the "pods"
ben_vulpes: oh and xcode won't build our flagship project on my computer for some completely inscrutable reason
ben_vulpes: verily, i live in the modern windows.
ben_vulpes: also restarting the computer fixed "Photos"
ben_vulpes: "it's to ease context-switching" devs in the room witnessing my astonishment attempt to tell me
ben_vulpes: and lo a url i was just looking at in chrome on the phone opens in chrome on the browser
ben_vulpes: i click this chrome icon out of a morbid fascination
ben_vulpes: consisting SOLELY of a GOOGLE CHROME icon
ben_vulpes: so today i open my bezzleputer, and discover a SECOND DOCK
ben_vulpes: ofcnot
ben_vulpes: still actually slaving away fixing containerization horseshit
ben_vulpes: not yet
ben_vulpes: nifty many-handed work, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: interesting, ascii_butugychag, getting oom'd doesn't result in an immediate process kill?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: those aren't boobs.
ben_vulpes: will dig through logs later
ben_vulpes: reference impl appears to still be running
ben_vulpes: woke up to this: "errors" : "EXCEPTION: St9bad_alloc \nstd::bad_alloc \nbitcoin in ProcessMessage() \n"
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-01-2016#1387163 << page ratio might even work for kindle
ben_vulpes: dafuq, even taxes aren't mandatory around here.
ben_vulpes: anyways, 'mandatory' is a bit of a joke.
ben_vulpes: i have, at least twice now.
ben_vulpes: that nobody's seen fit to implement gpg session auth is not my problem
ben_vulpes: "no sig, not me."
ben_vulpes: using "password" as a password should be mandatory.
ben_vulpes: > ro-fro
ben_vulpes doffs hat
ben_vulpes: or mircea_popescu's salt mine
ben_vulpes: "People complained recently that we wrote some shitty software. Statement self-declared to be irrelevant to the accusations, hey look a shiny!"
ben_vulpes: do y'all have "mandatory reporters" in yurp and misc. other "civilized nayshuns"?
ben_vulpes: (although who uses one without the other i do not know)
ben_vulpes: it's not RUBY it's RAILS
ben_vulpes: dems da woist
ben_vulpes: > 252450 << lo it doth haunt
ben_vulpes: i'll buy you a beer and a blunt after your interview
ben_vulpes: any idea what department?
ben_vulpes: good people over ther.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: with whom?
ben_vulpes: x11 is best x
ben_vulpes: haw haw haw
ben_vulpes: is that a head and shoulders or death cross or some other technical trading thing?
ben_vulpes: that's a classic, i'm a bit surprised.
ben_vulpes: !s quality without a name
ben_vulpes: !s 100 year editor
ben_vulpes: os 10 is an operating system for today, not forever
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i determined tonight that 10.6 is entirely unuseable
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: heh okay you got a laugh out of me with that
ben_vulpes: but will it compile boost?
ben_vulpes: in another universe i'd be entirely happy with seven.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo and his obsession with dead operating systems
ben_vulpes: i am now apparently engaged in an exercise to determine what the oldest version of os x is that can be beaten into supporting software development
ben_vulpes: ty mod6!
ben_vulpes: the abominable variable naming alignment, yes
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: huh i had no idea editors needed plugins to do that
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
ben_vulpes: what that
ben_vulpes: only reasonable style guide for this codebase is "make it look like the lines immediately above and below"
ben_vulpes: indentation is poetry in any lisp
ben_vulpes: i am still anti-tab, delimiter token hoojaberry aside
ben_vulpes: right but if we stick to the old impl the audit is no longer required.
ben_vulpes: my bad.
ben_vulpes: HA DERP
ben_vulpes: most recent
ben_vulpes: still 'fine'?
ben_vulpes: i will point out that changing to the wrapper implementation implies audits to be done of the implementation delta.
ben_vulpes: i'm stalking your log progress
ben_vulpes: "father's pistols"?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: thoughts on ecdsa calls?
ben_vulpes: entire code base is almost guaranteed to be in conflict with any style guide unfortunately.
ben_vulpes checks todo list
ben_vulpes: wutnostahp
ben_vulpes: mod6: are you referring to fixing the magic numbers?
ben_vulpes: perhaps fixing magic numbers is out of scope for a patch to force s-values?
ben_vulpes: and imho preferrable for that reason.
ben_vulpes: that'd be closest to the original code
ben_vulpes: mod6: what's the rationale behind including the commented out printfs?
ben_vulpes: gah this return value shit is hilarious
ben_vulpes: appears to be a wrapper around do_sign to some extent or another
ben_vulpes: which is not the blessed openssl, but...
ben_vulpes: ideally such a thread would result in a philosophical statement that'd guide future flags.
ben_vulpes: oh come now asciilifeform like we don't waste time on vastly more trivial shit all the time
ben_vulpes: deck chairs.
ben_vulpes: i have a hard time giving a shit about the ergonomics when it's covered in finger-snipping blades already.
ben_vulpes: mod6: why not?
ben_vulpes: i prefer my c++ as antagonistic as possible
ben_vulpes: mod6: appears to be a useful tool
ben_vulpes looking forward to it
ben_vulpes: approaching usable?
ben_vulpes grimaces
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: loc?
ben_vulpes: makes me sound like a great parent
ben_vulpes: unless the kid's up at 4 or whatever, i rarely actually interact with him.
ben_vulpes: our timezones are so far off he just leaves me messages
ben_vulpes: very interesting problems that crop up in the curation of the wot.
ben_vulpes: i still love you vexual baby
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: indeed!
ben_vulpes: at orbital heights no less
ben_vulpes: freenode nicks are not crypto.
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: coulda kept the nick, but registered a new key and we'd be in the same spot.
ben_vulpes: polarbeard: hey can you confirm for the log that you understand what's going on with your various idents?
ben_vulpes: planez!
ben_vulpes: i'd seen the photos from c2, 'twas how i knew you and mike_c
ben_vulpes: same way everyone else singles you out of the crowd lol
ben_vulpes: what if the person showing up is not actually the keyholder
ben_vulpes: heh that is an interesting hole in the keysigning party i guess
ben_vulpes: how could i know, jurov! i never saw a keyid from you.
ben_vulpes: (while it may appear to /you/ that the mega participants in this cult are disembodied names, /we/ all know each other -- names, geographic locations, general type of employ, but /you/ do not have this [or i'll point out] any pedigree here)
ben_vulpes: (and once again polarbeard /who are you/?)
ben_vulpes: *and*
ben_vulpes: you'll note i'm not handing out 1's just for showing up any more.
ben_vulpes: provisions are in place for noobs to fuck up and recover.
ben_vulpes: mod6, polarbeard, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: y'all follow?
ben_vulpes: it's not submitting patches any more, so i don't see the point of the discussion.
ben_vulpes: so polarbeard burned his previous identity by getting uppity with me. what of it.
ben_vulpes: what harm'd there be in the reading i ask
ben_vulpes: and who knows what else of interest might be in 'em
ben_vulpes: punkman: for lolz most definitely
ben_vulpes: someone can show up tomorrow and claim to be tiberius, tat, smickles, and until they sign with keys that prove it they're either joking or some other thing i don't understand
ben_vulpes: yes, i don't quite care about 'statements against interest'
ben_vulpes: but register formal irritation re your inability or refusal to answer to inquiries such as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384093
ben_vulpes: and as specifically regards polarbeard, i am happy to review patches
ben_vulpes: and given that the character's lost or whatevered those keys, i don't see any reason for a) that to change or b) influence how the wot regards polarbeard
ben_vulpes: so i've only negrated this punindented identity
ben_vulpes: what a deal, jurov!
ben_vulpes: 'aha'
ben_vulpes: usg has a plenty strong relationship with me, lol
ben_vulpes: well no, but i believe that i understand your point.
ben_vulpes: bitwise identity
ben_vulpes is having a 'not enough lsd' moment
ben_vulpes: laptop or bride, they'd be...separate physical instantiations of 'bride' or 'nut-frier'?
ben_vulpes: no returns, no way to know if she's even minimally acceptable to spend time with, no way to know if she can suck cock...
ben_vulpes: a glib answer'd be "because steve died", a more pragmatic one "because they don't compile the bitcoin reference implementation", but i don't think either of those are what you're thinking.
ben_vulpes: I personally don't understand the reasons beyond "it's the right thing to do with the reference implementation, dummy. also, fuck drepper."
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1384173 << do you mean 'the full orchestra' as advertised on trb ml?
ben_vulpes: did anyone ever do a static compilation libkez?
ben_vulpes: i do envy everyone the vast panoply of device families apparently covered.
ben_vulpes: i only had the opportunity to test it recently, failed to even build prerequsites and so cannot sign it. i also do not intend to build another openbsd system in the immediate future.
ben_vulpes: http://jezebel.com/britney-spears-good-at-math-1747547324 << i have examined this and found it lulzy
ben_vulpes: also lol what /we/ who are /you/?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-01-2016#1383814 << if by external you mean: does not introduce further dependencies into the codebase, maybe, depending on the tool
ben_vulpes: x.6 ~ 10.6
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: it's been an alternative scheme for as long as i can remember
ben_vulpes: still trying to get the hang of the m1a1, very much adrift in the cockpit of a warthog.
ben_vulpes: phf: i have a hunch that it was my boost compiles that were failing.
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